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Wikify deprecated?[edit]

I just found out that the {{wikify}} template is deprecated. Why? Sometimes an article has more issues than just no wikilinks, or references need to be improved. I see no one template that encompasses several issues an article may have. I think one template at the top instead of a plot-too-long template, a refimprove template, a section-too-detailed template, a needs-inline-citations template, a lede-too-long template... see what I'm getting at? I think it feels a need. I find it quite useful. TuckerResearch (talk) 19:30, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

PS: And before you say anything, I think of the {{cleanup}} template as more of a grammar and style template. I.e., cleanup covers content and {{wikify}} covers wikification of that content. See what I mean? TuckerResearch (talk) 19:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

You've got a good point, but the misuse of {{Wikify}} far outweighed its uses and this change will make improving those pages easier, leading to an improvement of Wikipedia overall. It forces slightly more thought on the taggers, but it is better for taggers to make that thought than for those who are fixing the tag to try to figure out what the problems are. If you are worried about the large number of templates that would appear, {{Multiple issues}} should solve your problem. Ryan Vesey 19:40, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I understand that you worry about tag/template overload, but I think the {{wikify}} can be used by someone who doesn't have the time or inclination to do the hard thinking of figuring out what the specific problems of an article are but know that an article is fishy and needs wikification, alerting more diligent editors. TuckerResearch (talk) 19:51, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I think that is the exact problem. If an editor can't take the time to figure out what is problem, they probably shouldn't be doing the tagging. I'm hoping that Twinkle and the curation toolbar will create a section for wikification that will list all of the relevant templates. Ryan Vesey 19:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Ouch. I think that's a tad wiki-elitist, i.e. only full-time, experienced editors need edit. But, I hope your solution works. I think {{wikify}} is useful as a general tag and then hopefully more dedicated editors pick up the ball after that, I just wanted to get my two cents in after the fact. Good luck. TuckerResearch (talk) 20:33, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Problem is, page patrollers may use the wikify tag to save some time, but on the other end there's the editors cleaning it up who have to go through a backlog thousands of pages strong fixing it. Other factors such as AWB-auto tagging of one-liner stubs just makes it even worse. We hope that this change will make wikification more effective, and so improve Wikipedia.
If you are using Twinkle, it's super easy to find the right tag(s) for the article, because they all come with a description and so on, and they are grouped into {{multiple issues}} by default. :) benzband (talk) 20:47, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
I just want to second what Ben said. I understand your concern that less experienced users may have trouble with the many seemingly new templates, but unfortunately we have to help them along. {{Wikify}} means nothing if it is used that way, and any effort skipped at the beginning of the process is only doubled at the end. Twinkle is a great tool though, and I highly encourage it for learning all those many specific templates. Thank you for bring this here though, and I hope we answered some of your questions :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 15:10, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

New drive[edit]

For the next (October?) drive should we make replacing the Wikify tag with more specific tag(s) a secondary goal, and

  • count removed tags towards each participant's total?
  • have a separate log for removed tags?

~ benzband (talk) 13:37, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Presumably replacing it with a more specific tag or tags, if possible? DoctorKubla (talk) 16:26, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes sorry that's what i meant. Amended :) benzband (talk) 16:36, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I think it's a good idea, as long as there's a seperate log (and a seperate award?). Tagging a page doesn't take nearly as long as wikifying it, and I'd hate to see diligent wikifiers overtaken in the rankings by speed-taggers. DoctorKubla (talk) 16:50, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I'd use a separate list. In addition, I imagine counting every removed tag from here on out (otherwise a page with 4 tags requires more work for 1 being counted than a page with 1 tag). In that case, an editor could modify the wikify template into 3 more specific templates and count all 3. That's just my idea. I'm also planning on creating a new project page with a goal list for each category of wikification with the goal being zero. That way, even if something isn't a drive goal, editors can see it go down. Ryan Vesey 20:11, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm not sure that tag substitution is a good goal. We have a bunch of articles tagged with {{wikify}} that need some form of fixing. With wikify being deprecated, the number of such articles should gradually drop to zero as we go through fixing them. I think as a drive activity, we should driving towards the elimination of the problems and not simply retagging for later work. -- Whpq (talk) 20:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
That's a good comment, and I thought of that. As my mom always said (and I always ignored) don't deal with something twice if you can deal with it once. I still think a Wikified page should count as 1 for every tag that should have been there, otherwise, why would I remove {{Wikify}} when I could add infoboxes (my favorite thing to do I believe). We'll also need to remind people that copyvio checks, persondata, and forms of default sort ({{L}} for bios) should be done no matter what the tag says since we don't have tags for those. Ryan Vesey 20:20, 29 August 2012 (UTC)
General comment: whatever you decide to do about tag substitution, it would be good to avoid creating incentives for speed-tagging and tag bombing. --Stfg (talk) 12:25, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
Be sure to explain the elimination of the wikify template and the project's new goals/drive at the WikiProject desk so I can include it in the next Signpost article. -Mabeenot (talk) 04:34, 27 September 2012 (UTC)
It looks like it may be too late to organize a drive for next month. (Or is it?) Guoguo12 (Talk)  15:05, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
It's not too late, but we really need to decide what we're doing. Is replacing {{Wikify}} going to be part of the drive? What templates should we deal with specifically, or should we work at the overall Category:Articles covered by WikiProject Wikify and let people choose what they want to reduce. I'd like to start on the infobox ones because we have another 100,000 infobox templates that should be part of this project but we haven't added. Ryan Vesey 16:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Replacing {{Wikify}} tags is too hard to track. The drives should be simple and pleasing to the eye. Speaking of which, what is wrong with the drive log pages (like this one)? Why are they centered now? Or is that a result of the "do not modify" tag? Guoguo12 (Talk)  16:12, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

I just copied the code from previous drive(s). benzband (talk) 16:28, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Coordinates and infobox subtemplates[edit]

I've added notes about finding coordinates and infobox subtemplates to the project page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for that! Ryan Vesey 12:42, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Category up for deletion[edit]

It has been proposed that Category:All articles covered by WikiProject Wikify be deleted. Feel free to take part in the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 September 9#Category:All articles covered by WikiProject WikifyRyan Vesey 23:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Category:Articles that need to be wikified renaming proposal[edit]

See here. Thanks, Guoguo12 (Talk)  20:21, 24 September 2012 (UTC).

This proposal has kind of evolved into a discussion about what to do with all the articles tagged with {{wikify}} – is it worth the effort to manually replace all the tags? Any input would be appreciated. DoctorKubla (talk) 12:50, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
The discussion has concluded. Per consensus, the {{Underlinked}} tag was created to mark articles with too few wikilinks; tagged articles can be found at Category:Articles with too few wikilinks. Additional comments or opinions should be made at Template talk:Underlinked. Thanks, Guoguo12 (Talk)  15:03, 29 September 2012 (UTC).

Recent changes to the main project page[edit]

I have made some changes to the layout of the main project page. I have also updated the content to reflect the recent decisions to deprecate {{Wikify}} and create {{Underlinked}}. Any comments/suggestions regarding the layout or content would be appreciated. Guoguo12 (Talk)  15:08, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

So, {{wikify}} is gone[edit]

Is there any place where I could get a list of the new templates being used instead? --Nathan2055talk - contribs 16:31, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

{{Infobox requested}}, {{Cleanup-HTML}}, {{Lead missing}}, {{Lead rewrite}}, {{Lead too short}}, {{Inadequate lead}}, {{Sections}}, {{Citation style}}, {{Cleanup-link rot}}, and {{Lead too long}}. We should probably make a page somewhere. Ryan Vesey 16:38, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, I think you missed a few. Nathan2055, Template:Wikify#See_also is probably the most complete list available right now. Guoguo12 (Talk)  18:12, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
We've never dealt with {{Cleanup}}. Ryan Vesey 18:20, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
It's a catch-all tag. Guoguo12 (Talk)  19:01, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
I realize that; however, it catches things far beyond wikification and we don't include it in our backlog or deal with it in drives. Ryan Vesey 19:29, 30 September 2012 (UTC)
True, but I think the question was regarding templates that replace, in some way, {{Wikify}}. {{Cleanup}} is certainly not covered by this WikiProject. Guoguo12 (Talk)  21:05, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

OMG. Take a look at this: a bot is adding the tag… benzband (talk) 16:12, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Much thanks to PamD for catching that error. (Other users/bots that are still using {{Wikify}} can be found by looking at Category:Articles that need to be wikified from October 2012.) Guoguo12 (Talk)  18:45, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I've contacted GoingBattyRyan Vesey 18:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, perhaps I should clarify. PamD (talk · contribs) already contacted the bot owner at User_talk:BattyBot#Wikify_is_deprecated. Guoguo12 (Talk)  19:01, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Missing October 2012 drive.[edit]

Why does the October 2012 backlog drive not appear to have been started? Is this because of the elimination of the {{wikify}} tag? Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 07:08, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

Basically, there was virtually no participation on what the drive should be in the section above. Perhaps we should keep it simple and focus on reducing Category:All articles covered by WikiProject Wikify by 500 with no secondary goal. That way people can focus on what they want. Create one backlog list, and point to Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Track for the others. Ryan Vesey 18:07, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
So is this going to be a no-drive month or will the drive be later in the month? Personally, I think the entire drive format should be revamped. This is the two-year anniversary of WikiProject Wikify's drives, and the old drive page system is far too tedious to use. I actually prefer the GOCE's drive format now, except that their drive scoring is pretty complicated. Guoguo12 (Talk)  18:50, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
So the drive would wait until December? If that's what everyone wanted to do, I wouldn't have a huge problem; however, our backlog will almost certainly fill up. I'm also leaning to the idea that we should incorporate the rest of the 100,000 infobox requested pages, otherwise we're just looking at another jump in the backlog in the future. I also think we need to create a real "wiki-advertising" campaign to get new drive members. What specifically are you thinking about in a revamp of the drive? The only difference that I'm aware of is the heavy emphasis on tracking (which we used to do) and the word count system (which we used to do). If someone really wants to deal with tracking, or there is a bot operator who can do it, that would be great. I think we should remain with the per page system rather than word count, especially to the nature of the change. (Word count doesn't matter when you add an infobox or reformat references). Are there other changes you're looking at? Ryan Vesey 18:56, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I meant the actual format of the drive page(s). They should be easy to use. The log page tends to become hard to view and edit. Also, was it really center-aligned throughout the past several drives? Guoguo12 (Talk)  18:59, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I think there should be a drive this month (if the people who normally organise the drives are up for it). Revamping the system can wait 'til December. For now, let's keep it simple, as Ryan suggests, and concentrate purely on reducing the backlog at Category:All articles covered by WikiProject Wikify. DoctorKubla (talk) 19:32, 1 October 2012 (UTC)
I am in favour of a simple drive using the existing pages, just to help keep a lid on things. I agree that the drive pages (and all the wikiproject pages) should be easier to navigate, but that doesn't mean we can't launch a simple drive right now. -- Dianna (talk) 21:49, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Okay, let's do it. Here's the drive page: Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2012/October. Perhaps the layout could be like the March Mini layout (single page)? Guoguo12 (Talk)  01:50, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Given the lack of replies, I've gone ahead and created the drive pages based on the 2011 March Mini format. Note the changes I've made to the instructions, awards, log page formatting (I mean, really, centered text?), and so on. I've also set the start date for October 17, so that the drive is exactly two weeks long. Feel free to discuss below if there are any objections or issues. In the mean time, these things need to happen:
Please assist in completing the above tasks if you have time. (Mark the completed ones with {{done}} and sign.) Thanks, Guoguo12 (Talk)  19:55, 3 October 2012 (UTC).
Good work. I've further amended the instructions to reflect the Project's shift in focus. General question: if an article is tagged with, say, {{sections}}, but also has other problems like unformatted footnotes etc., can a drive competitor log the article after just adding sections, or is a full wikification still required? (My personal feeling is that full wikification should be recommended in such cases, but not compulsory). DoctorKubla (talk) 08:20, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Is the focus going to be on Category:Articles covered by WikiProject Wikify instead of Category:Articles that need to be wikified? Shouldn't we clear the latter first? Guoguo12 (Talk)  10:48, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
Category:Articles that need to be wikified is a sub-category of Category:Articles covered by WikiProject Wikify. The quickest way of clearing Category:Articles that need to be wikified is replacing the tags, and since (I don't think) tag-replacement is going to be part of this drive, we should guide editors towards the new category and carry on as normal. I think that's the gist of the above discussion, but I may be wrong. DoctorKubla (talk) 15:52, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
In that case, the instructions should be rather different, and will depend on the specific article tag. It would certainly be a lot simpler if the drive only covered {{Wikify}} tags. Besides, replacing tags is just shifting nuclear waste from one location to another. It doesn't solve problems. Guoguo12 (Talk)  19:17, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
I disagree with you. For example, if every article AWB or Twinkle tagged with {{wikify}} because it has too few links was changed to {{underlinked}}, that would make it much easier for editors to add wikilinks and remove the tags. GoingBatty (talk) 01:33, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
What about this: We focus on clearing both categories in this drive, and if we want to, we can give participants part-credit for tags which they reassess without editing the content of the article (with the idea being that they mark these articles in their lists with some notifying icon, e.g. apostrophe's, &'s, ^'s or maybe even $'s). Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 02:28, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Having spent some time replacing tags, I'm no longer in favour of it being a drive activity, especially not in conjunction with ordinary wikifying. For one thing, we'd have to give very partial credit – I reckon I could replace at least 30 tags in the time it takes to wikify one article. But it's very menial work, and if each tag is only worth 1/30th of a point, I don't think many people will bother. And if they do, it's hard to avoid incentivising careless and haphazard tag replacement or flat-out tag removal; if someone gets through, say, a thousand articles over the course of the drive, it would be difficult and time-consuming to check a representative sample of those edits, and even more so to check and fix them all if it turns out the editor wasn't doing it properly. But of course, articles tagged with {{wikify}} can still be wikified as part of the drive, just like all the other articles in Category:Articles covered by WikiProject Wikify. And in response to Guoguo, while it might be simpler if this drive focused solely on {{wikify}}, that would just be kicking the can further down the road – we'll have to adapt the drive instructions to the new process at some point. DoctorKubla (talk) 07:34, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I understand his point though. If we focus just on {{Wikify}} we can clear that backlog since now, or sometime close to now, editors will stop adding to it. We've also had discussions about problems counting if editors remove a wikify tag. An article tagged with wikifying might need links added, sections added, and an infobox. Does that count as 3 then? I would say we'd have to if we were doing it all at the same time because the alternative would have been to remove 3 separate templates which would each be counted. While I would love to start working on the new categories, it might be better in the long run to focus on the articles in the current Category:Articles that need to be wikifiedRyan Vesey 12:26, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Her point. Why do so many people get this wrong? Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 14:03, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
I know you're a girl, my ambiguous pronoun was meant to refer to Guoguo12. Ryan Vesey 16:11, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Hmmmm... my bad. :{ I suppose my psychologist is going to have a busy day... later this month. Like my singing? Ha-la-la-la-la-la-LA-LAAA!!! (talk) 17:57, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
DoctorKubla, we'll be kicking a can down the road either way. Is replacing tags and setting up new drive rules more essential than simply clearing Category:All articles that need to be wikified? This drive (as of right now, at least) is supposed to begin on the 17th. We can create and discuss the instructions, formats, and procedures for future drives later (in November, perhaps); let's just stay on the beaten path for now. Guoguo12 (Talk)  21:08, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
I agree that clearing Category:Articles that need to be wikified is the priority, but doing so by wikifying all 17,000 articles will take months, whereas replacing all the tags will take a couple of weeks. I don't think the drive instructions will need such a massive overhaul; we just need to replace any mention of Category:Articles that need to be wikified with Category:Articles covered by WikiProject Wikify (which I've already done), and determine whether the "ten simple steps to wikify an article" are still relevant. DoctorKubla (talk) 06:54, 7 October 2012 (UTC)
Alright, let's just go with that then. But, in that case, for which actions will credit be given? Removing one tag? Removing all tags covered by the project? Replacing a {{Wikify}} tag? All of the above? Guoguo12 (Talk)  19:12, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's up to the people organising the drive. I don't think tag replacement should be part of it; other than that, I've got no strong feelings either way. DoctorKubla (talk) 14:40, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Once Wikify is removed from all articles[edit]

At the current rate of {{wikify}} removal, it will soon have been removed from all articles. What is the consensus for what to do with the template once this has been achieved? I see three options right now.

  1. Delete the template entirely
  2. Redirect the template to {{underlinked}} (the most common reason for a wikify tag being added to an article)
  3. Change the template to say something like "This template is deprecated, please replace with more specific templates. A list can be found here."

Or there may be another option that I haven't thought of. Delsion23 (talk) 19:11, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

The closer of the TfD recommended turning it into a dab page, like Template:Expand. That makes the most sense to me. DoctorKubla (talk) 19:31, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
Sure, that looks like a good way of achieving the same things as #3. Delsion23 (talk) 22:01, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Corresponding ribbons for drive barnstars[edit]

Hi everyone! I've recently created some ribbon equivalents for the WikiProject's current barnstar award system. Would it be possible for them to be added with the corresponding barnstars on the awards page? Cheers, Freebirdthemonk Howdy! 17:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Iron Wikification Ribbon
Iron Wikification Ribbon
Bronze Wikification Ribbon
Bronze Wikification Ribbon
Silver Wikification Ribbon
Silver Wikification Ribbon
Gold Wikification Ribbon
Gold Wikification Ribbon
Working Wikifier Ribbon
Working Wikifier Ribbon
Greater Working Wikifier Ribbon
Greater Working Wikifier Ribbon
Wikiproject Wikify Trophy Ribbon
Wikiproject Wikify Trophy Ribbon
Wow! I've added them to the table, but feel free to tweak if you want to make it look better or anything. Thanks :) benzband (talk) 18:36, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
I may need to tweak the Wikifier's trophy Ribbon, because I noticed that, when small enough, it doesn't look very good and you can't really see the trophy. I was thinking about just removing the image altogether and just having the solid gold ribbon, but I'm not sure. Any suggestions or ideas? Cheers, Freebirdthemonk Howdy! 18:57, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
No sorry, i couldn't say. I think either would be great though :) benzband (talk) 21:56, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
You could put a star on it instead of the trophy, that might show up better. Nice work, btw! --Dianna (talk) 23:08, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
The trophy and star didn't work out as well as I had hoped, so I left it as a solid gold ribbon. Cheers, Freebirdthemonk Howdy! 01:57, 8 January 2013 (UTC)


Now that Template:Wikify is deprecated, is Template:Wikification (a similar template that goes on talk pages) really needed? Should it be redirected to Wikify? It is only used on 20 talk pages anyway, and is inferior to all the specific templates we use, and also inferior to WikiProject Wikify's "How to wikify". Delsion23 (talk) 12:59, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

i couldn't say... FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 11:32, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
It wasn't that useful to begin with so it should be deleted. -- Whpq (talk) 11:35, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

new drive[edit]

i think a drive should be maintained each month, considering the amount of articles still carrying the tag. i can help coordinate it in any way needed. cheers ,FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 11:34, 22 January 2013 (UTC)

February 2013's drive.[edit]

Quick question: Why has this drive not been started? It's time to go. Oh, is this the Top Secret room? I had no idea... (talk) 00:27, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

ditto! GOCE and AfC have already concluded their january drives... FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 00:50, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
Well, no worries. I finally conquered my fear of composing extremely technical pages (XD), and got the drive started. Learned a lot in the process, if you'll believe it. Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/February is open to all willing to participate. Let the drive begin! Oh, is this the Top Secret room? I had no idea... (talk) 01:14, 1 February 2013 (UTC)
I've put a simple invitation out through User:EdwardsBot. benzband (talk) 16:11, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

The February Wikification Drive 2013[edit]

I'm thinking about User:FoCuSandLeArN. See his/her drive log, You can see he/she is the leader. He/she has wikified 99 articles. But I don't think he/she has wiified that much. I have some proof for my suspicion. See down.

There're 4 but I think there're more. You see in this four article history he/she doesn't have any contributions but the drive page says he/she has wikified and completed these article. If he/she thinks he'll wikify them then he can put this article with a working headline. That's okay, But without wikifieing someone can't say he/she has wikified that. Watch this please.--Pratyya (Hello!) 14:21, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done. Need no answer. Thanks
I wikified all articles stated. I do many at a time, and as such can't save each article as "working". this would be very time-consuming. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:49, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Navigation sidebar[edit]

Hi all. I am building a navigation sidebar for the wikiproject and have a copy in my sandbox ready for review. One thing that's different from the current navigation system is this template lists all the categories under the purview of the wikiproject. We need to fill out the list of related templates as it's incomplete right now. I have to go do some RL stuff but thought I would post here for feedback on this preliminary version. Cheers, -- Dianna (talk) 16:51, 15 February 2013 (UTC)

Looks good, although I think the text should be left-aligned. There's a list of all the templates covered by the project at Template:Wikify; I think you got them all except the lead cleanup templates ({{lead too long}}, {{lead too short}}, etc.) DoctorKubla (talk) 08:46, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
Great suggestions. I have also organised the material so editors who want to tackle a specific kind of problem will find it easier to locate the type of articles they want to work on. Version 2 is now ready for viewing at User:Diannaa/sandbox. -- Dianna (talk) 16:25, 16 February 2013 (UTC)

Annual wikification drive awards[edit]

As mentioned on the awards page, there are special awards known as "Most Excellent Wikification Awards", that are to be issued to those backlog drive participants meeting the criteria after every calendar year. I checked over who qualified under each criteria, and distributed the awards accordingly:

Participation in every drive (including the March Mini):

Most leaderboard appearances (March Mini included):

  • User:Wilhelmina Will Yes check.svg Done*
  • User:Pjoef Yes check.svg Done

Just so it's on record. Cheers! Oh, is this the Top Secret room? I had no idea... (talk) 12:15, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

February 2013 awards[edit]

While I'm at it, I'll keep track of the awards distributed for February 2013's backlog drive. As follows:

  • FoCuSandLeArN - The WikiProject Wikify Trophy, The Diamond Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Pratyya Ghosh - The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, The Gold Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • pjoef - The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, The Gold Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Captain Assassin - The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, The Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Wilhelmina Will - The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar (twice, one for the leaderboard and one for the largest article; I was the only one who entered for this award), The Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done*
  • Diannaa - The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, The Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Freebirds - The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, The Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Faizan Munawar Ali Varya - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • DebashisM - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Bill william compton - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Miniapolis - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • HueSatLum - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Justice007 - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Ynhockey - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Iamthecheese44 - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Safety Cap - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
  • Tomcat7 - The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done

Now that that's all on record, I can take a break! :) Oh, is this the Top Secret room? I had no idea... (talk) 13:33, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Awesome! I've updated the ones with asterisks (*). benzband (talk) 14:47, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Nowikify[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:Nowikify has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. GoingBatty (talk) 17:09, 16 March 2013 (UTC)

April 2013's drive[edit]

Hello! Everyone there...? What?...sorry didn't hear you. If yes then someone create the April's drive for Wikify sake. :-) -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 17:50, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

I have shaped up something at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2013/April. benzband (talk) 21:40, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
Shaped nice, thanks. -- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 03:01, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


Hello there! Maybe it's just me, but given one of the wikify stipulates is to place the sort template in articles that need it I think a tutorial or an explanation is needed. I for one don't know how to use it and what it does (sort of...). I think I've successfully placed it in a few articles, following the instructions. Could any help be provided? And possibly a how-to be appended to the wikify instructions in case it helps others? Thank you! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:51, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello there FoCuSandLeArN; I'm Nolelover, one of the old guys of this project, and I just wanted to give you some kind of answer to your question, even if it's not the one you're looking for. To be entirely honest, I've almost completely forgotten how in the time I've been inactive. {{L}} is used whenever the article is about the living person. You fill out the three parameters (with the sortkey being "Last name, First name, MI") and stick that at the bottom of the article. In all other articles, the sort key is places with the {{DEFAULTSORT:ARTICLE NAME}} magic word. There are minor exceptions (you put articles like "the" and "a" at the end, after a commna) but that's the general idea. As for why...well, that's way beyond me by now. There's more info at WP:SORTKEY, and if you need further help, I'm sure you know the general places (help desk, helpme template, etc). I don't know if this really answer what you wanted to know, but I just didn't want your query to go completely unanswered. Best, Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:06, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for answering! One of my major doubts is why are there two different sort keys? I mean, I've seen the defaultsort for bios too, is that wrong? Cheers, FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 22:02, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Are you referring to the difference templates, one for bios, and one for everything else? Well, it's not that there are two different sort keys. It's just that the one for bios (the template "L" I linked above) includes additional information (years alive) that obviously does not apply to a volcanic rock formation in Japan, heh heh. Does that answer your question? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 03:29, 5 May 2013 (UTC)
It does, thanks! So the defaultsort is ok for bios too?
Absolutely (that I know of--I must use this disclaimer, because my knowledge in this area is very limited, haha). Defaultsort is the generic tool that is used for every single article. Template:L includes defaultsort, and adds a parameter for the years alive/dead categories, just to remind people that if you add one, it's good to add the other too. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:29, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

A sad Wikify story[edit]

I am a beginner Wikifyer, and am feeling disillusioned and inclined to quit. So I am here for counselling, pointing in the right direction, or a good slap to get me back to work.

I have Wikified about 15 articles and have found it quite rewarding, but now that I have a little experience I am becoming pessimistic about what lies ahead. I have just generated about 10 random articles in a row that need Wikifying in order to get a picture of what my future might be, and it is pretty depressing. Of the ten articles I looked at, about 5 are obviously very shallow, lack-of-notability candidates for people or organisations. I don't feel motivated to spend any significant amount of time seeking to support such articles: they are about 10-15 lines in length and contain no significant content. Should I simply add a "recommended for deletion tag" and move on to articles that will can be improved?

PS: I expect that this question has been asked and answered many times before, but I haven't come across a FAQ or similar page to help me with the job apart from the Project Wikify page. Travers (talk) 06:35, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi Travers. While some people feel that all the content in the encyclopedia is valuable and worth keeping, I agree with you that it's best to be choosy about where we invest our time by selecting articles to work on that are on important topics or receive many page views (or even both). What I often do is choose articles on a topic of interest using the Catscan tool. (This link might not work first try; all the Toolserver tools have been acting up the last few days.) There's some instructions on how to use Catscan at the GOCE home page. -- Dianna (talk) 12:04, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
You may also be interested in Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies). GoingBatty (talk) 22:07, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
Hello Travers, I'm sorry you are feeling sad.
Sometimes working on borderline articles with poor contents can lead to semi-decent results ([1][2]diff).
If it is a clear case that fall under Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, then you can tag it for speedy deletion. In this case, remember to follow the guidelines, of course, but also take a look at its history because there might be a previous version (or more than one) which is better than the current one. For all artilces where we are not sure, we need to follow Wikipedia:Deletion policy. Personally, I prefer (when it's notable or uncertain) to add more contents, infoboxes, internal links, categories, geographical coordinates, …. When I fail, which means that I cannot find relevant information on the subject, I usually go ahead to the next article.
In any case, keep up the good work and happy editing. –pjoef (talkcontribs) 08:12, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

April 2013 awards[edit]

As I did with the awards for February's drive, I'm going to keep a record here of the awards distribution for April 2013.

Awards distribution for April 2013's wikification drive.
1. Wilhelmina Will (200) Trophy; Diamond. Green tickY
2. Captain Assassin! (197) Greater Working Wikifier's; Platinum Green tickY
3. FoCuSandLeArN (136) Greater Working Wikifier's; Gold Green tickY
4. pjoef (95) Greater Working Wikifier's; Gold Green tickY
5. Pratyya Ghosh (63) Greater Working Wikifier's; Silver Green tickY
6. Faizan Munawar Varya (21) Working Wikifier's; Iron Green tickY
7. Dianna (16) Working Wikifier's; Iron Green tickY
8. Travers (15) Working Wikifier's; Iron Green tickY
9. Kristephanie/Freebirds/Whpq (3) Working Wikifier's Green tickY
10. Ryan Vesey (2) Working Wikifier's Green tickY

So a print encyclopedia, a strawberry shortcake, and a sycamore walk into a bar - wait, have you heard this one? (talk) 20:36, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

Wilhelmina, I'm going to decline the award. I did no real work for this drive. I hope to help more next month since school will be done and we think our number one goal should be to find new members so wikifying 2 articles doesn't land someone on the leaderboard. Ryan Vesey 20:41, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
I'm declining as well. I never really did get time set aside to tackle this. Three articles is not much of a contribution, and I cannot in good conscience accept an award for so little work. As an aide, this notification thingy that's been added works great. I got notified about my name being posted up here. -- Whpq (talk) 20:46, 1 May 2013 (UTC)
Ah, sorry. I posted the awards on both your talkpages before I read this message. Feel free to remove them if you wish, but I feel that since there were so few participants at all, and quite a couple of those who did sign in never wikified anything, you do deserve those awards. :) Cheers! So a print encyclopedia, a strawberry shortcake, and a sycamore walk into a bar - wait, have you heard this one? (talk) 20:49, 1 May 2013 (UTC)

June 2013 drive[edit]

Will someone create the June 2013 drive, there's not much time left for new month now.-- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 19:24, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

It appears that Wilhelmina Will, Miniapolis, Pjoef and other primary contributors to the WikiProject have been fairly inactive the past few days. This may explain the delay. In terms of the drive page, I'm not sure I want to go ahead and create the page without anyone else's knowing. Cheers, Freebirds Howdy! 14:25, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
No need to worry, I've gotten it started. Here it is! Trout me, and then just trout me, till I can get my troutifaction! (talk) 02:44, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
No newsletter, no nothing. What are you doing man?-- Assassin! No, Captain Assassin! ( T - C - G ) 09:14, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

June 2013 awards[edit]

Top Ten (by number of articles completed)
1. Wilhelmina Will (204) - Diamond; Trophy Yes check.svg Done
2. pjoef (120) - Gold; Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
3. FoCuSandLeArN (65) - Silver; Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
4. R00m c (60) - Silver; Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
5. Way2veers (11) - Iron; Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
6. Tentinator (2) - Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done

I shall now, with this information, distribute the awards. Can you decipher this acronymical code? CYDTC (Hint: It's really easy!) (talk) 06:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Everyone help themselves!
Well, we may not have had the best turnout we've ever received in a drive, for which I must accept at least 80% of the blame, not understanding how to set up the project's advertising for the latest drives. Still, out of the seven users who did join, six participated, and a total of 462 articles were wikified, so I think that does call for a bit of a celebration. Can you decipher this acronymical code? CYDTC (Hint: It's really easy!) (talk) 06:57, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Are you referring to the link on top of the Project main page? It's on Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikify/Frame. –pjoef (talkcontribs) 07:36, 1 July 2013 (UTC)
Ah, thanks for that. Announcing past drives while current drives are going on is as good as history now! :) Can you decipher this acronymical code? CYDTC (Hint: It's really easy!) (talk) 19:27, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Random article[edit]

There seems to be a problem with the "Click here to find a random article to wikify" link on the Project page. I tried it five times and all five articles appear to be already "wikified" in the sense that they have the expected formatting and layout for Wikipedia. These were:

Am I misunderstanding something about this process? (talk) 20:06, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

  1. Ong Hock Thye - This does appear to be adequately linked. If you check the history of the article, you can see that an editor new to Wikipedia has added wikilinks but did not remove the issue tag; perfectly understandable for a new editor. The action needed here is to simply remove the tag.
  2. Nolan Chart - The article lead is claimed to be inadequate but there is no explanation on the talk page. The lead looks adequate to me. The action here is to simply remove the tag.
  3. Future Problem Solving Program Australia - One might argue that a link to University of Melbourne might be added, but really there's not a lot to links to add. Action here is to remove the tag (and I'll link the university).
  4. Rhythmic Gymnastics World Cup - uses bare URLs for citations. It should be converted to use citation templates. This one is legitimately tagged.
  5. Los Tucanes de Tijuana - uses bare URLs for citations. It should be converted to use citation templates. This one is legitimately tagged.

So in summary, I think you do generally have the right understanding of the process. Feel free to be bold if you come across articles which have been improved but still have their tag and untag them. Regards. -- Whpq (talk) 21:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The first three were untagged earlier today by because the issues in question had been addressed: [3] [4] [5]. The last two are still in Category:Articles covered by WikiProject Wikify because they have been tagged as needing link rot cleanup, an issue which fall under the scope of Wikiproject Wikify (along with footnote reformatting, HTML markup cleanup, underlinking, overlinking, dead-ends,‎ introduction cleanup, references cleanup, needing section and infobox requests). benzband (talk) 22:21, 9 July 2013 (UTC)
Fixed articles #4 & 5. GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Disambiguation in crisis[edit]

Up until July 4, the disambiguation project was making steady progress in combating disambiguation links, reaching an all-time low of only 62,419 disambiguation pages with incoming links. Since then, the number of disambiguation pages with incoming links has quickly shot up by over a thousand. I don't know why this number is suddenly increasing, whether editors are becoming more active and less careful in making links, or new articles are justifying increased numbers of disambiguation pages, or frequent disambiguators are getting discouraged and leaving the project, but we are falling behind and need help. Please make sure that the links you make point to the right articles, not to disambiguation pages. If you turn an existing page or redirect into a disambiguation page or a redirect to disambiguation page, please fix the incoming links, as your regular disambiguators are likely too swamped to get to them. If you can find and fix a handful of disambiguation links, that would be great. bd2412 T 17:46, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

More answers are in the Wikipedia:Village pump (miscellaneous)#Disambiguation in crisis thread. Cheers. –Quiddity (talk) 20:07, 15 July 2013 (UTC)
Are those who agree with WP:PDAB changing article names and then not fixing all the links immediately? GoingBatty (talk) 02:59, 16 July 2013 (UTC)
I have seen that going on, but I doubt it accounts for the entire increase. The number of disambiguation pages with incoming links has now increased by about 1,400 since July 4. bd2412 T 14:46, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

Infobox and introduction for Education Management Corporation[edit]

Hello, I have an open request on the Talk page for the Education Management Corporation (EDMC) article, which falls under the scope of this wikiproject, so I'm hopeful that an editor here can help complete it.

First let me explain my relationship with this topic: I am a consultant to EDMC and have been working over the past few months to clean up and improve this article. I have always disclosed my financial COI with this topic when asking for help and have not made any direct edits to the article. All of the improvements have been done with the help of non-COI editors, following Jimbo's advisement that outside advocates should stick to Talk pages.

The improvements to the article are nearly complete, but I am looking for help adding the {{infobox company}} template to this article, as there is currently no infobox on the page. I am also looking to clean up the introduction so it provides a more complete overview of the article. I have actually already prepared the infobox and revised introduction and placed them on the Talk page for review so I am only looking for an editor to look over what I have put together and make the changes to the article if it looks OK. (I've also added the markup for these changes to the Talk page, for convenience.)

If you can help with one or both of these remaining revisions, I'd be very grateful, and you can see my original request here. Cheers, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 17:22, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- see talk page. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 03:11, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

August 2013 wikification drive awards.[edit]

Top Ten (by number of articles completed)
1. Wilhelmina Will (218) - Diamond; Trophy
2. Pratyya Ghosh (31) - Bronze; Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
3. pjoef (27) - Iron; Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
4. FoCuSandLeArN (25) - Iron; Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
5. Diannaa (10) - Iron; Greater Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
6. Way2veers (3) - Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done
7. Tentinator (1) - Working Wikifier's barnstar Yes check.svg Done

That'll help keep things in order. Editing with a pen leads to a lot of things unsaid. (talk) 14:22, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

{{Wikify request}}[edit]

Template:Wikify request (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) has been nominated for deletion -- (talk) 05:00, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

October 2013 drive[edit]

Wilhelmina Will has set up the pages, and I've asked EdwardsBot to send invites to everyone listed here. benzband (talk) 18:44, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

October 2013 wikification drive awards.[edit]

Editor name Top Ten (by number of articles completed)
1. pjoef (164) Trophy, Platinum Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
2. Wilhelmina Will (55) Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, Silver??? Bronze wikification barnstar Green tickY
3. Lineagegeek (33) Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, Bronze Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
4. Prof. Squirrel (18) Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, Iron Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
5. Diannaa (6) Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY
6. Iamthecheese44 (2) Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY
7. ()
8. ()
9. ()
10. ()

In order to keep track of things. If I said "I'm miffed!", would you come running or go? (talk) 03:57, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

So sad I couldn't participate this time around. I was busy with the AfC drive and other endeavors. I'll try to make it next time! Face-smile.svg FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 16:55, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

November 2013 newsletter and December drive[edit]

The project hasn't had a newsletter for a whole year now so I figured I'd write one and distribute it towards the end of the month, along with an announcement for the December drive, to the editors who have opted-in at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Participants/Newsletter. benzband (talk) 14:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone feel like writing an editorial? (If several people do, we can have several!) Just insert it here if you wish to. You can consult a list of past editorials here. benzband (talk) 14:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

{{Infobox requested}} categorization problem[edit]

The template currently categorizes pages into Category:Articles covered by WikiProject Wikify which ideally it shouldn't really be doing. See Template talk:Infobox requested#Categorization. benzband (talk) 14:11, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Hello wikifiers, my proposal at Template talk:Infobox requested#Categorization needs your input to determine consensus. If you can (and wish to), please spare a moment to voice your opinion either for or against it (or propose some other alternative). Thanks, benzband (talk) 22:36, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

The 'year in ...' type articles[edit]

Hi, on my travels with the December drive have discovered the series of articles in need of a lead paragraph, that are named, for example 1934_in_film - I wondered if there is a consensus about these articles and how to create a lead section? there are many of them and across different categories etc. It could almost be an article sub-genre with a standard template introduction ... Then there is another issue about how comprehensive and reliable the articles are - but that's way beyond me and simple wikifying i think ... Any thoughts? directions to policy pages? Thanks Depthdiver (talk) 02:22, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

@Depthdiver: There is a WikiProject Years, but other than that I don't know. benzband (talk) 16:15, 9 December 2013 (UTC)
Thanks @Benzband: - that looks exactly what I was hoping for :-) Depthdiver (talk) 17:28, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

100% completion?[edit]

If a page has multiple issues and you correct ONE of them to 100% completion can you mark that as completed under your log? Or do you have to completely fix all of the page's issues? Skarz (talk) 18:18, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

@Skarz: I should say you're supposed to fix all of the page's issues that fall within the scope of WikiProject wikify.
  • The following templates, of course…
…which categorize the articles under Category:All articles covered by WikiProject Wikify (it's a hidden category though, so you'll have to have checked the box labeled "Show hidden categories" in your Appearance preferences if you want to see it appear in the mainspace like other categories).
benzband (talk) 18:44, 14 December 2013 (UTC)

December 2013 drive awards and annual awards.[edit]

As we have concluded yet another year of wikification, I've also gone over the participation in each drive held in 2013, to determine the recipients of the Most Excellent Wikification Award, both for appearing the most times on the leaderboard and for participating in every drive held. For convenience, I've incorporated mention of this into the same table as the award distribution for the December drive.

Editor name Awards earned
1. Pratyya Ghosh (221) The WikiProject Wikify Trophy Green tickY, The Diamond Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
2. Sesamehoneytart (145) The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY, The Gold Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
3. pjoef (64) The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY, The Silver Wikification Barnstar Green tickY, Most Excellent Wikification Award (for being in every drive) Green tickY, Most Excellent Wikification Award (for being on the leaderboard in each drive) Green tickY
4. SarahTheEntwife (56) The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY, The Bronze Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
5. Captain Assassin! (33) The Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY, The Bronze Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
6. Lineagegeek, Prof. Squirrel (22) The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY, The Iron Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
7. Diannaa (15) The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY, The Iron Wikification Barnstar Green tickY
8. Wilhelmina Will (11) The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY, The Iron Wikification Barnstar Green tickY, Most Excellent Wikification Award (for being in every drive) Green tickY, Most Excellent Wikification Award (for being on the leaderboard in every drive) Green tickY
9. Benzband, Depthdiver (7) The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY
10. WikiCopter (4) The Working Wikifier's Barnstar Green tickY

Is it the end already? It felt like we were just getting started! (talk) 01:10, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

February 2014?[edit]

What about the February drive, is it gonna happen or not? --Captain Assassin! «TCG» 20:28, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I only just found out that no one's started it yet. If all goes well, it'll be up in about 10-15 minutes. Okay folks, say it with me: 1 for the money, 2 for the - the - okay, just let me read the script again first... (talk) 19:09, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
It's all set up - the notification on the main project page and everything. Feel free to come on in anytime! :) Okay folks, say it with me: 1 for the money, 2 for the - the - okay, just let me read the script again first... (talk) 19:27, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to User Study[edit]

Would you be interested in participating in a user study? We are a team at University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within a Wikipedia community. We are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visualization tool. All you need to do is to prepare for your laptop/desktop, web camera, and speaker for video communication with Google Hangout. We will provide you with a Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page ( If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 17:30, 4 February 2014 (UTC).

February 2014 drive awards.[edit]

As usual, just so everyone knows it's been done:

Editor name Top Ten (by number of articles completed)
1. Wilhelmina Will (79) Trophy Yes check.svg Done; Silver Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
2. pjoef (71) Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done; Silver Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
3. Dianna (10) Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done; Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
4. Depthdiver/SarahTheEntwife (3) Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar (Yes check.svg Done, on both accounts.)

Okay folks, say it with me: 1 for the money, 2 for the - the - okay, just let me read the script again first... (talk) 23:54, 1 March 2014 (UTC)


Who keeps the record of contributions of every editor to this project and where can one see the records.Skr15081997 (talk) 13:01, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

The Drives page has some previous record, and that page has, in the past, simply been updated when it needs to be. There is no central database however, if that's what you're asking? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 19:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

April 2014 Backlog drive.[edit]

Just so everyone knows, the April 2014 backlog drive has commenced! FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 02:37, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Not related to the drive, but a convenient place to raise the issue because it came up during the drive. I have chosen to work on airline articles without an infobox (a target rich environment). In connection with this drive. I am finding I am editing twice as many articles as I am logging as wikifyed. There are two reasons for that.
Editors who have added an infobox to an article without removing the "infobox needed" parameter from the airport template. I've edited these talk pages, and it seems clear to me that this shouldn't count as wikifying.
Articles that have been merged with other articles. Cleaning these up involves determining when the merger occurred, putting the "merged from" template on the surviving article, putting the "merged to" template on the article I'm wikifying and doing additional cleanup (removing project ratings, etc.). In addition to wikifying, failure to put the merger templates on these articles is a violation of the copyright agreement we all agree to when we started editing. (Disclosure: yes I did this myself when I was a new editor, so I am sure these are good faith edits). Now, to my question. It seems to me that doing all these actions is wikifying the article, though it doesn't seem to fall under any particular guideline, so my question is, should I count these articles? (To be clear I have not done so so far).
Next, a plea for mercy. The last drive was announced late, when I was involved with a similar campaign on WP:MILHIST, my first love. Have I really blown my chance at participating in "all" 2014 campaigns? --Lineagegeek (talk) 22:50, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Category:Articles covered by WikiProject Wikify from May 2008‎[edit]

The above category is the oldest one of our project. It contains only 7 articles. It should be eliminated within this month.--Skr15081997 (talk) 05:48, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Honesty of a project member.[edit]

  • Total articles: 64

Our project relies solely on the honesty of participants. When I saw the contribution history of the 2nd article, I heard the warning bell, Pratyya had never contributed to the article. The article still uses bare urls. I saw the contribution history of other articles and found no contribution in April from Pratyya to articles 8(1), 9(2),10 (3)and 23(4).

Bare url's still exist in the articles -3, 4,5 ,8,12,21,14,15,17,18,19,25,28,29,30,31,36,37,38,39,41,43,44,46,48,49,52,55,59,60,61 and 62. 47, 50 ,64 are still covered by the project. 21,11,14,27,28,34,53,59 and 63 still lack the required infoboxes. In 22,26 and 58 cite web template hasn't been used properly. In the article 57 of the above list, I had filled the references. So a total of more than 40 articles from the above list are covered by the project and need the attention of willing users. I have presented the log here and I leave it to the project co-ordinator Wilhelmina Will to decide whether such type of work can be permitted or not.--Skr15081997 (talk) 08:40, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

I've raised similar problems before, to no avail (many users share this behaviour). It was one of the contributing factors towards my estrangement from the Project. Part of the problem arises from the fact that no conditions are set for participation. At AfC, for instance, we've recently added a set of conditions for inclusion, specifically an edits and temporal minimum on Wikipedia. Users will always abuse the game-like system just for the barnstars, and unless conditions are set to weed them out, they'll continue to do so. They need to be addressed swiftly and responsibly, taking the appropriate measures so that it can't happen again. The problem with Wikify is that the only really active user is Wilhelmina; we can't expect a single person to tackle these issues. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 14:29, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I haven't been editing Wikipedia for a while, but I think adding an edit minimum isn't a bad idea. I also think we could establish a "Quality Assurance Team" of sorts that skims through users' contributions and ensures that they are completing all the thinks that Wikification entails. If they aren't then they could get a warning, the second time a block from the next month's drive, etc. I wouldn't mind being on said team either, and I don't think it would take too much time (we wouldn't check all the articles) since it would be a once-a-month thing. Thoughts on this? TheCascadian 19:51, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
PS @Wilhelmina Will: you probably remember me as User:Gold Standard. TheCascadian 19:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
I'm not really the project coordinator, I just start the drives off when no one else has, and dish out the awards at the end. Aside from that, I've always considered myself simply one of the participants. As far as this issue goes, I suppose it has to be addressed, but other than simply fixing the problems Skr15081997 has pointed out, article by article, there isn't much I'm in the place to suggest. I'm just worried this might set the award distribution back a while; I like to get that done within a day of a drive's end so I know it's been done. Spring in Wikipedia is lovely! Just avoid the articles on flowers... (talk) 21:28, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
That's a good idea, similar to what's done in other Projects. Say, 10% or so of all listed articles would be checked by somebody other than the editor who did the wikification and they would pass/fail said work. FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 01:03, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
There's nothing personal in presenting the above log. Actually when I saw the first article, I wanted to thank Pratyya because it was the article which I wanted to wikify. Streaming through the list I found what actually had been done. Pratyya had been a part of this project since a long time and when long time participants do such sort of thing then the motive of the project will be pushed into danger. Pjoef had always done the best work to articles. If you see through his log and check the corresponding history of the articles yo will find he had not only wikified but also made the article much better than it was before his work. Coming back to the above matter, I repeat it's nothing personal, but this issue needs to be addressed. If you let this go then I'm afraid we might find everyone doing the same.--Skr15081997 (talk) 03:30, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
As far as the award distribution is concerned I suggest it can be done without delay. For Pratyya the log has 24 articles (64-40(which are not wikified)), and there are no such issues for other participants. So it won't take much time, the 40 articles are part of the project and can be wikified in the next drive.--Skr15081997 (talk) 07:33, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
Might be an idea to invite User:Pratyya Ghosh to this discussion... DoctorKubla (talk) 07:38, 2 May 2014 (UTC)
As this concerns the honesty of mine I'm explaining the fact here. First of all I use Wikipedia:REFLINKS to check the rot links. 3 months ago I was a super active editor but due to real life issue I can't edit wiki like before. I'm editing today but God knows when I'll edit the next time. Now-a-days I rarely get time for wiki. Now straight to discussion. Previously I said that I use a tool to clear link rot. For example it was said that the 3rd article has problem but run thislink once. It says No changes were necessary in [[Willie Aames]]. That's why I removed the link rot from that article. Now one thing I use a 150kbps net. It costs me 2 minutes to load a normal wiki page and many websites doesn't load for slow net connection. So I really couldn't check every link and that's why trusted the tool. But in future I believe I've to do that painful work. But it's not my dishonesty. I've never been dishonest here. Anyway I don't know when I'll be able to post the next reply. So if you don't get a reply please don't lose your patience. At last I really gonna thank Mr.Skr15081997. Thanks for showing me my mistake.--Pratyya (Hello!) 13:48, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
The thing is just removing tags does not count as Wikifying, at least not in my book. If that were all Wikifying consisted of, I'd be Wikifying thousands of articles a day! What that does is actually hurting Wikipedia, given plenty of articles are left without tags that someday somebody would've acted on. What you've done simply constitutes gaming the system to obtain prizes, who knows for what purpose... FoCuSandLeArN (talk) 15:06, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
Focus is right about tag removal. During the April drive I concentrated on adding infoboxes to airline articles that did not have them and added around 90. I also removed the needs infobox tag from about another 70 that had appropriate infoboxes, but the editor that added the box failed to remove the tag -- not counted. I also ran into a handful of articles that had been merged without merging their talk pages or posting the appropriate merger notice to comply with Wikipedia's copyright requirements. This seemed to me to meet the generic "wikifying" definition, but I couldn't find a specific mention of the action. I counted them but added a note to my list in case whoever checked the scores disagreed with me, they could subtract them from my count. I'd suggest this if you're uncertain about what counts. It helps other editors to assume good faith when it gives some appearance that the system is being gamed. --Lineagegeek (talk) 22:31, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
All right guys I take the full responsibility for the action I did and I'm sorry for that. I don't want to use my valuable times in discussions. In future I'll try my best to avoid this kinda job. Again thanks to all of you. Face-smile.svg --Pratyya (Hello!) 06:18, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

April 2014 drive awards.[edit]

Editor name Top Ten (by number of articles completed)
1. Skr15081997 (264) - WikiProject Wikify Trophy; Diamond Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
2. Wilhelmina Will (260) - Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar; Diamond Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
3. pjoef (100) - Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar; Gold Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
4. Lineagegeek (96) - Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar; Gold Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
5. SarahTheEntwife (39) - Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar; Bronze Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
6. Pratyya Ghosh (24) - Working Wikifier's Barnstar; Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
7. Captain Assassin! (22) - Working Wikifier's Barnstar; Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
8. FoCuSandLeArN (15) - Working Wikifier's Barnstar; Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
9. Prof. Squirrel (13) - Working Wikifier's Barnstar; Iron Wikification Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
10. Iamthecheese (5) - Working Wikifier's Barnstar Yes check.svg Done
There. I'll get the distribution done next. Spring in Wikipedia is lovely! Just avoid the articles on flowers... (talk) 02:51, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to Participate in a User Study - Final Reminder[edit]

Would you be interested in participating in a user study of a new tool to support editor involvement in WikiProjects? We are a team at the University of Washington studying methods for finding collaborators within WikiProjects, and we are looking for volunteers to evaluate a new visual exploration tool for Wikipedia. Given your interest in this Wikiproject, we would welcome your participation in our study. To participate, you will be given access to our new visualization tool and will interact with us via Google Hangout so that we can solicit your thoughts about the tool. To use Google Hangout, you will need a laptop/desktop, a web camera, and a speaker for video communication during the study. We will provide you with an Amazon gift card in appreciation of your time and participation. For more information about this study, please visit our wiki page ( If you would like to participate in our user study, please send me a message at Wkmaster (talk) 22:31, 10 May 2014 (UTC).

June 2014 drive.[edit]

Just so everyone knows, I've gotten the June 2014 Wikification drive started. Spring in Wikipedia is lovely! Just avoid the articles on flowers... (talk) 00:30, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Leaflet For Wikiproject Wikify At Wikimania 2014[edit]

Hi all,

My name is Adi Khajuria and I am helping out with Wikimania 2014 in London.

One of our initiatives is to create leaflets to increase the discoverability of various wikimedia projects, and showcase the breadth of activity within wikimedia. Any kind of project can have a physical paper leaflet designed - for free - as a tool to help recruit new contributors. These leaflets will be printed at Wikimania 2014, and the designs can be re-used in the future at other events and locations.

This is particularly aimed at highlighting less discoverable but successful projects, e.g:

• Active Wikiprojects: Wikiproject Medicine, WikiProject Video Games, Wikiproject Film

• Tech projects/Tools, which may be looking for either users or developers.

• Less known major projects: Wikinews, Wikidata, Wikivoyage, etc.

• Wiki Loves Parliaments, Wiki Loves Monuments, Wiki Loves ____

• Wikimedia thematic organisations, Wikiwomen’s Collaborative, The Signpost

For more information or to sign up for one for your project, go to: Project leaflets Adikhajuria (talk) 16:25, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

Dang! It would have been a good opportunity to raise awareness about the project. benzband (talk) 09:08, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

August Drive?[edit]

No notice, but I heard there may be an August drive going on. True? --Lineagegeek (talk) 23:09, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

@Lineagegeek: It appears there is one at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives/2014/August, so I've just listed it at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Drives. There is currently only one participant and less than a week left though so maybe we could launch a September Drive instead. We really need to send invitations (to project members who have subscribed to the newsletter) otherwise no one knows about these drives. benzband (talk) 09:07, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. In the past the drives have also been posted here, too. It had been a while since I'd seen a notice. Guess I'll try to get in a couple before the end of the month. --Lineagegeek (talk) 15:19, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Awards distribution[edit]

First off, I must apologize that, from the messages under the main header here, the August drive was not announced via invitation after it was started; I was certain there's a bot that's supposed to do that automatically. In the second place, for those users that did join the drive and enter wikified submissions, I must apologize for the long delay in the awards' distribution. Though I've been back from my wikibreak for several days, it only just occurred to me now. Without further hesitation, therefore, the job shall be seen to:

1. Lineagegeek (23) - Trophy; Iron Yes check.svg Done
2. Wilhelmina Will (12) Greater working wikifier's; Iron
3. SarahTheEntwife (5) Greater working wikifier's Yes check.svg Done

She ran down a hill... (talk) 18:18, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

October drive[edit]

I have created the drive pages for the upcoming October wikification drive, and put out the usual invitation (sent using MassMessage to subscribed participants listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikify/Participants/Newsletter). benzband (talk) 16:10, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Awards distribution[edit]

Editor name
1. Lineagegeek (105) - Trophy, Gold Wikification BarnstarYes check.svg Done
2. pjoef (31) - Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, Bronze Wikification BarnstarYes check.svg Done
3. NickGibson3900 (13) - Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, Iron Wikification BarnstarYes check.svg Done
4. Wilhelmina Will, Pratyya Ghosh, Whpq (12) - Greater Working Wikifier's Barnstar, Iron Wikification BarnstarYes check.svg Done (aside from myself)
5. Dianaa (9) - Greater Working Wikifier's BarnstarYes check.svg Done
6. SmileBlueJay97 (3) - Working Wikifier's BarnstarYes check.svg Done
7. SarahTheEntwife, Safety Cap (2) - Working Wikifier's BarnstarYes check.svg Done

I shall now see to it that these are handed out, without further delay. If I had to guess... (talk) 08:19, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

There! That's everyone it is my place to award! :) If I had to guess... (talk) 08:41, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Comment on the WikiProject X proposal[edit]

Hello there! As you may already know, most WikiProjects here on Wikipedia struggle to stay active after they've been founded. I believe there is a lot of potential for WikiProjects to facilitate collaboration across subject areas, so I have submitted a grant proposal with the Wikimedia Foundation for the "WikiProject X" project. WikiProject X will study what makes WikiProjects succeed in retaining editors and then design a prototype WikiProject system that will recruit contributors to WikiProjects and help them run effectively. Please review the proposal here and leave feedback. If you have any questions, you can ask on the proposal page or leave a message on my talk page. Thank you for your time! (Also, sorry about the posting mistake earlier. If someone already moved my message to the talk page, feel free to remove this posting.) Harej (talk) 22:47, 1 October 2014 (UTC)