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It seems to be quasi-consensus that works of fiction should be moved to Works of fiction set in 20yy for years in the 21st century. I'm not sure I agree with it, but I don't think it's worth fighting over. However, these should be in {{C21 year in topic}}; see Template talk:C21 year in topic#Fiction for the proper place to discuss it. Possibly also {{C20 year in topic}}; some of them have been broken out, but not many. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:49, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Navagation templates and datadumps[edit]

In an attempt to create navigation templates to go to the individual months in year articles, Davykamanzi has severely damaged a few year articles, at least 1996 and 1997. Thinking about it, it seems a good use of my time is to revert ALL his edits to year articles. It is possible that some of the people he added actually meet WP:RY, but it is not likely. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:42, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Although 1996 and 1997 do not come under WP:RY I agree with your actions to revert the edits. I suspect the deaths were copied from the the appropriate categories which is not appropriate for Year articles. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:30, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
@Arthur Rubin, DerbyCountyinNZ: It's good you pointed out that 1996 and 1997 don't come under WP:RY. Other than that, I expanded the Births sections of those articles WAY before I created the navigation template, so I don't see how I "damaged" those articles or added "datadumps" and I find all of this confusing. I created {{BD ToC}} to enable users to go directly to specific months in these Births and Deaths sections. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 09:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
On what basis did you decide who should be added to the Births sections? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 09:35, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
See Talk:1996#Births datadump. I only checked the first two comments in this section; I didn't check whether it had been updated. Current status is that 1996 births has the expanded version (with a couple more deleted), and a {{content}} tag. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:20, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Datadumping and inclusion criteria for Births and Deaths[edit]

Following on from above and discussions at Talk:1996 and User talk:Arthur Rubin#1996.

  1. Datadumping a huge quantity of entries is neither constructive nor co-operative editing as it very difficult for other editors to check which inclusions are merited and which are not.
  2. A single editor dumping such a quantity on one or two articles entirely under their own subjective opinion is not co-operative editing and sidesteps this Project.
  3. Dumping large quantities of entries on only one or two articles unbalances those articles with respect to all other articles in the project.
  4. Subjective opinion is not a proper basis for inclusion, some criteria is necessary. Even poor/inadequate criteria are better than none. WP:RY has such criteria but unfortunately, despite previous attempts, none had been decided upon here. This should be done before any more datadumping.
  5. Year articles are for internationally and historically notable entries. Sub-articles, by topic and country, are for those entries which are less notable. New editors are often unaware of this, some editors intentionally ignore it and some refute that this is their purpose (but fail to come up with any reasonable alternative purpose). In most cases it should be fairly clear which cases belong only in the sub-articles.

DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 01:16, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

@DerbyCountyinNZ: As I had mentioned before, I don't think international notability is (or should be) limited to having non-English Wikipedia articles. A person like Zendaya would still merit inclusion in the 1996 article, whether or not there are non-English articles available on her, because she's massively notable around the world. This matter of "international notability" has to be clarified by the WikiProject because there's no existing consensus as to what constitutes "international or historical notability", and everyone has their own perspective on what these terms could mean. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 16:34, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
The subjective opinion of a single editor is not an adequate criterion, something more objective is required. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 04:08, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
@DerbyCountyinNZ: I agree, and that goes for you as well. That's why I said criteria on this subject has to be clarified by the WikiProject. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 08:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
You have come up with nothing objective; your statement that someone is "massively notable around the world" is certainly not objective. A minimum number of non-English articles has been used at WP:RY after a considerable discussion among a number of users. It works well 90% of the time. DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 10:09, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── And I repeat @DerbyCountyinNZ: That is why such criteria has to be clarified by the WikiProject. They should be the ones to come up with something objective instead of me, since they oversee years articles. Besides that, I'm quite sure 1996 doesn't fall under WP:RY. Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 15:39, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

So you are happy to have your recent additions removed until such time as this project comes up with a suitable criteria? DerbyCountyinNZ (Talk Contribs) 18:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @DerbyCountyinNZ: I let Arthur Rubin revert my changes to 1996 yesterday, but I went through the list again and introduced a revised version where I omitted a lot of entries which as it turned out didn't merit inclusion in the article. It turned out to have been more than 25,000 bytes less than what was previously there, so I think it's as big a list as any other year article would have. I Davykamanzitalkcontribsalter ego 13:57, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

As you don't explain that you see why your previous edits are wrong, I see no reason to believe that your current edits are in keeping with consensus, even if (per WP:AGF) you do. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:52, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Recently created future categories[edit]

I've proposed about 50 recently created categories for deletion, (e.g., Category:2105), on the grounds that the base article (e.g., 2105) does not and should not yet exist. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 July 28#Future categories and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2014 July 28#2073 in fiction. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:24, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Scope of the project (templates)[edit]

Maybe it is inactive. In any case, if decade, century, and millennum articles are within the scope of this project, we need to keep track of templates used in those articles, as well as the year articles.

Templates to be considered include:

{{year box}}, used by many year in subject articles
{{year nav}}, used in most year articles.
{{year article header}}, used in many year articles
{{Events by month}}, used in some recent year articles
{{BD ToC}}, (or wherever it ends up), experimental template used in some year articles
{{Decadebox}}, used in all decade articles
Decade displays, including
{{Ld2}} (formerly, {{L1d}}), undocumented
{{Decade category header}}, used in many decade categories
{{Centurybox}}, used in all century articles
Century displays, including
{{Years in century}}, used in all century templates
{{DecadesAndYearsIn}} (which I recently expanded, and is presently used only in Works of fiction by year and centuries in poetry.
{{Decades and years}}, footer for century and some decade articles (needs to be updated for decade display)
{{L2d}} (undocumented)
{{Millennia}}, footer for most millennium and era articles.
{{Millenniumbox}}, used in all millennium articles
Millenium displays, including
{{L3d}} (undocumented)

and probably many more. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 02:22, 30 July 2014 (UTC)