Talk:4EVER 400

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Assessed as high importance, for teh reason that it is the last race of the season, and usually the deciding race of teh championship, almost solidified by the Top-Ten "playoff" system now inplace.

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Requested move 9 May 2024[edit]

It has been proposed in this section that 4EVER 400 be renamed and moved to NASCAR Cup Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway.

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4EVER 400 → NASCAR Cup Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway – To match other cup series races page renames MysticCipher87 (talk) 14:30, 9 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Bensci54 (talk) 16:26, 16 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. BilledMammal (talk) 16:50, 23 May 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Polyamorph (talk) 18:14, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Move to Dixie Vodka 400. Proposed title fails WP:COMMONNAME. 162 etc. (talk) 16:57, 12 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support - On the contrary to the previous vote, these generic names fail WP:COMMONNAME. We established a basic consensus in the Wikiproject to move towards generic names when there is no enduring common name. Calling it the "Cup Series race at..." better fits the article titling guideline. glman (talk) 19:11, 16 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Local consensus does not override Wikipedia policy, especially one as central as WP:COMMONNAME. See WP:CONLEVEL. 162 etc. (talk) 15:22, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not "overriding" policy. I'm saying that the generic brand name that changes every two years is not the WP:COMMONNAME per the guideline. glman (talk) 15:32, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:COMMONNAME is a policy, not a guideline. It asks us to use "the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in a significant majority of independent, reliable, English-language sources.)" Neither yourself or OP have presented any sources that use the name "NASCAR Cup Series race at Homestead-Miami Speedway." A quick Google search will however reveal that "Dixie Vodka 400" is commonly used. [1] [2]

Should the common name happen to change in the future, a change to the article's title can be discussed at that time. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. 162 etc. (talk) 19:04, 17 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm aware. I'm arguing that this is not the common name, and a name that changes yearly is not the common name. In addition, these names are often WP:PROMO. No name that changes yearly is the common name, and we've seen other series (such as IndyCar, adjust race pages the same way). glman (talk) 19:51, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong support of original proposal - "[Series] at [Track]" is the correct application of WP:COMMONNAME policy for articles about most NASCAR races, much more so than the sponsored titles such as the alternate proposal, which frequently change on a yearly basis. Such application (with or without the word "race"; my personal preference is without) is supported in this case by both primary and secondary sources [3][4][5][6]. The original proposal (again, with or without the word "race") also aligns with WP:AT policy regarding precision (as any number of races could have the same sponsor and distance; we see numerous examples already of hatnotes on articles for this reason) and consistency. Sponsored titles are in no way consistent with each other and furthermore lead to unintentionally disruptive edit histories due to yearly sponsor changes. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk) 20:12, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]