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Conditional parent categories in templates[edit]
Re Template:Bridges completed in the YYY0s category header etc, rather than use "if exists", isn't it better to set a threshold year after which parent categories should exist, as in the case of Template:Synagogues completed in decade category header? That way, when e.g. a year category is created using the relevant template, it will prompt for the parent (decade category) to be created. Conversely, if a too-early decade category is (re)created against prior consensus, it would rightly not be auto-populated by year categories.
I also suggest documenting the related CFD decision on the template, at least in the edit summary. – Fayenatic London 15:55, 29 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: if there is a consensus for a specific cutoff year, I agree that would be a better implementation. In Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 April 27#Judaism by year, you proposed using 1800 as a cutoff year. However, I don't see consensus for a specific cutoff year in Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2024 May 12#Transport infrastructure by decade, which just said
very complicated tree for only a few subcategories about bridges, canals and lighthouses
. I would be happy to add a comment about the CFD discussions to the templates which I added {{Category if exists}} to. Does that work for you? HouseBlaster (he/him) 16:09, 29 May 2024 (UTC)- I had not realised that {{Category if exists}} is brand new – well done! – it is surprising that nobody thought of this before. I've added links to it from some similar templates.
- How about extending it, or adding a version 2, with a fallback category? This could simplify e.g. Template:Fooian sportswomen.
- But let's not overuse "if exists" functionality. I already reverted the first two usages in "Bridges" templates back to required parents. For such Buildings & structures templates, I recommend coding a start year instead, for the reasons stated. The start date can be determined by current usage after the CFD implementations, and explained in the documentation. – Fayenatic London 10:26, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: I was surprised, too! Probably there is something with an opaque name, but I couldn't find it. I will look into adding a fallback option. Still not convinced that using a cutoff date is the best idea when there is no explicit consensus for a cutoff date, but also still open to being convinced. Would you object to pinging some people and asking for their opinions? HouseBlaster (he/him) 22:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Aidan721, Pppery, and Tom.Reding: your views on this would be welcome. – Fayenatic London 21:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Even if a discussion doesn't explicitly codify it, it is determining that there isn't enough content to warrant chronology categories before a certain point - there is some reason people always end these nominations at round-number years, for example. Thus I think having a cutoff point is preferable to ifexist checking. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- The cutoff point varies from one topic to another, isn't that going to be a problem? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that as a problem, as the cutoff is chosen according to category sizes, which vary by topic. The cutoff that is coded should also be stated in the template documentation, ideally with a link to CFD where applicable. – Fayenatic London 07:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Then I don't see any objection. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:42, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I don't see that as a problem, as the cutoff is chosen according to category sizes, which vary by topic. The cutoff that is coded should also be stated in the template documentation, ideally with a link to CFD where applicable. – Fayenatic London 07:45, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- The cutoff point varies from one topic to another, isn't that going to be a problem? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:03, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- I'm a big fan of category automation (e.g. Module:Category described in year as most relevant to this discussion). However, I haven't done any work related to cat maintenance/creation/deletion surrounding cutoffs.
- Generally, it's better to prompt the user to confirm/create the parent cat(s), which would be obfuscated by "if exists". If "if exists" must to be used, and if it fails to display a particular parent, then it would be good to place the active category into a tracking category for followup, to decide whether or not the parent should be created and the threshold changed.
- Thresholds & "if exists" could also be used together, where a category is forced above the threshold, and "if exists" used below the threshold and the active cat placed into a tracking cat for followup.
- Also, having relevant discussions/CfDs/etc. in the /doc is a good idea so that everyone can stay on the same page. ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 11:05, 2 June 2024 (UTC)
- Even if a discussion doesn't explicitly codify it, it is determining that there isn't enough content to warrant chronology categories before a certain point - there is some reason people always end these nominations at round-number years, for example. Thus I think having a cutoff point is preferable to ifexist checking. * Pppery * it has begun... 21:10, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle, Aidan721, Pppery, and Tom.Reding: your views on this would be welcome. – Fayenatic London 21:06, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Fayenatic london: I was surprised, too! Probably there is something with an opaque name, but I couldn't find it. I will look into adding a fallback option. Still not convinced that using a cutoff date is the best idea when there is no explicit consensus for a cutoff date, but also still open to being convinced. Would you object to pinging some people and asking for their opinions? HouseBlaster (he/him) 22:08, 31 May 2024 (UTC)
Appointment as trainee clerk[edit]
Hi HouseBlaster. We have added you to the list of clerks and subscribed you to the mailing list (info: WP:AC/C#clerks-l). Welcome, and I look forward to working with you! To adjust your subscription options for the mailing list, see the link at mail:clerks-l. The mailing list works in the usual way, and the address to which new mailing list threads can be sent is clerks-l
lists.wikimedia.org. Useful reading for new clerks is the procedures page, WP:AC/C/P, but you will learn all the basic components of clerking on-the-job.
New clerks begin as a trainee, are listed as such at WP:AC/C#Personnel, and will remain so until they have learned all the aspects of the job. When you've finished training, which usually takes a few months (and a maximum of one year), then we'll propose to the Committee that you be made a full clerk. As a clerk, you'll need to check your e-mail regularly, as the mailing list is where the clerks co-ordinate (on-wiki co-ordination page also exists but is not used nearly as much). If you've any questions at any point of your traineeship, simply post to the mailing list.
Lastly, it might be useful if you enter your timezone into WP:AC/C#Personnel (in the same format as the other members have), so that we can estimate when we will have clerks available each day; this is, of course, at your discretion. Again, welcome! Regards, Dreamy Jazz talk to me | my contributions 19:38, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- Hello, HouseBlaster,
- I was an Arbitration Clerk for two years and learned a lot. I hope you find it a satisfying assignment, it's very different from other work on the Project. It all depends on how busy the Arbitration Committee is and for the past few years, it seeem like the workload has been manageable. The most important element of being an artibration clerk, I found, is finding out where all of the relevant templates are becuase much of your work involves posting templates, setting up cases and notifying editors of the status of cases. All involve templates! Good luck! Liz Read! Talk! 03:46, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
CfD nomination and closure[edit]
If I had noticed earlier that the Category:People_from_Imperial_China_by_religion has been populated in the past few days I would have withdrawn my nomination at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2024_May_22#Category:People_from_Imperial_China_by_religion. Should we re-open the discussion? Marcocapelle (talk) 19:42, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
- @Marcocapelle:
Reopened. I will let you explain why; if you could ping the other participants so they can respond to your comment (in all likelihood, agreeing that the nomination should be withdrawn) that would be great. Thanks, HouseBlaster (he/him) 23:02, 30 May 2024 (UTC)
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Question from Peewoop 68369 (22:05, 3 June 2024)[edit]
Hi, how do I add links in articles? --Peewoop 68369 (talk) 22:05, 3 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Peewoop 68369: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! To add a link, you surround the term you want to link with
[[double square brackets]]. You can see more information at Help:Link. Best, HouseBlaster (he/him) 22:08, 3 June 2024 (UTC)- Thank you! Peewoop 68369 (talk) 00:08, 6 June 2024 (UTC)
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- @Balgobeen: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Before any article is created on Wikipedia, we need to make sure it is eligible for an article. Do you have two or three reliable sources (we have a list of sources alongside their reliability) which are independent of the subject (nothing created by or in collaboration with the subject counts) and cover the subject in detail? HouseBlaster (he/him) 11:41, 5 June 2024 (UTC)
Deletion review for Category:Dominican Republic people of European American descent[edit]
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May 2024 NPP backlog drive – Points award[edit]
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Artist and master od criminal law Ajapanic (talk) 14:13, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Ajapanic: hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! Do you have a question about editing? HouseBlaster (he/they) 15:55, 8 June 2024 (UTC)
Category:Ezo'la CFD close[edit]
Per WP:BADNAC, non admins are not supposed to close discussions when the result requires admin action. Can you revert the close so an admin actually moves the page? Nickps (talk) 16:43, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nickps: hi, it is listed at WT:CFDW where an admin will process the discussion. That is par for the course at CFD. HouseBlaster (he/they) 16:44, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
CFD categories[edit]
Hello, HouseBlaster,
After there is a CFD closure, please do not remove the CFD tag from the category to be deleted. If there is the CFD tag, then when an admin like me deletes the category, the deletion notice will list the relevant CFD discussion so that any interested editor can go and see the discussion. When you remove the CFD tag and just put a normal CSD tag on the page or some anonymous tag, then the CFD discussion won't be automatically listed as the reason for deletion. I regularly run a query for empty categories so if a category has been emptied after a CFD closure, there is a good chance I'll see it. But if you see me reverting an edit of yours on a CFD category, that's why I'm doing this. Thanks. Liz Read! Talk! 01:53, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Liz: hi Liz! Is there a particular category where I did that? I don't normally remove the CFD tag before adding a CSD tag (Twinkle adds the CSD tag without removing the CFD tag). HouseBlaster (he/they) 01:57, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, I now see that it was the now-deleted Category:British LGBT civil servants. Not sure why I didn't use Twinkle; I'll consider this a
Self-trout. Apologies for the confusion! HouseBlaster (he/they) 02:08, 10 June 2024 (UTC)
- Wait, I now see that it was the now-deleted Category:British LGBT civil servants. Not sure why I didn't use Twinkle; I'll consider this a
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Deleting Ninety Nines[edit]
Can you explain why you suggested the Category Ninety-Nines for deletion? As a new wikipedia editor, who is trying to improve the content for women's categories, I do not see why my contribution to building this new category was deleted on your suggestion? If there is some Wikipedia rule this new category violates, please let me know, I spent a lot of time to organize this information into something that was useful and applicable. Nayyn (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hello Nayyn! I did not suggest the category be deleted—I just "closed" the discussion as delete. The job of a "closer" is to assess the consensus in the discussion, not to choose a particular outcome. @Marcocapelle, LaundryPizza03, and Lenticel would be better equipped to tell you why they thought the category should be deleted (perhaps they would be willing to chime in?). Let me know if you have any more questions, HouseBlaster (he/they) 21:16, 11 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, thank you for the clarification. How many people are required to determine consensus? It just seems like a limited discussion took place in a short time frame and I'm not sure the rationale that closed the category. I am still learning here, but wish to contribute meaningfully and I'm not sure why anyone would have an objection to this. Nayyn (talk) 11:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Nayyn: first, a bit of terminology: I closed the discussion, which resulted in the category being deleted. Deletion discussions on Wikipedia generally last a week, and there is no fixed number required for consensus. This section of the consensus policy which explains how consensus is determined. Four people is slightly above average participation at a deletion discussion. Now for specifics: categories are for navigation by grouping articles by their defining characteristics. In general, membership in an organization is not considered defining. Best, HouseBlaster (he/they) 16:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- Hi, thank you for the clarification. How many people are required to determine consensus? It just seems like a limited discussion took place in a short time frame and I'm not sure the rationale that closed the category. I am still learning here, but wish to contribute meaningfully and I'm not sure why anyone would have an objection to this. Nayyn (talk) 11:04, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
Question from Dinesh Yadav Lohia on Help:Getting started (06:01, 12 June 2024)[edit]
Photos --Dinesh Yadav Lohia (talk) 06:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)
- @Dinesh Yadav Lohia: what do you want to do with photos? HouseBlaster (he/they) 16:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)