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Wikipedia Slander

If there were to be a sort of Wikipedia Slander, what would it look like? For example ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 07:27, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

@Snipertron12 Welcome to the Teahouse. Your question is unclear, and we can't predict what anything would look like. I suggest you read WP:SLANDER. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:06, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

That's not really the vibe over here at Wikipedia. I'm not saying gossip or drama never happens but No Personal Attacks is one the community's key ideas. This is not social media and no-one is really that invested in what anyone else has got going on beyond building an encyclopedia. I think you'll probably find less intriguing drama going on here than pretty much any other corner of the Internet. If that's what you're looking for then there are other websites avaliable (or IRL knitting circles I guess). -- D'n'B-t -- 08:11, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

Alright. ~ Snipertron12 :3 ~ [|User|Talk|Cont|] 11:04, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

I think Snipertron12 is referring to this genre of internet memes, not the literal meaning of slander itself. Since Teahouse is more for beginner questions for using Wikipedia, consider discussing this in other off-wiki venues. Ca ^{talk to me!} 03:14, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

Pinging @Shantavira and @DandelionAndBurdock. 48JCL TALK 20:53, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

yeah I got that -- D'n'B-t -- 20:54, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Notability another opinion - Tarsomys orientalis

Hi. I would like to ask for another opinion if this Draft:Tarsomys orientalis already passed the notability criteria, as I'm having doubts. I have submitted it previously, then it was moved to draft, then I improved the article, submitted, then it was moved to draft again. The latest reason in this thread: User_talk:Jp2593#Tarsomys_orientalis_moved_to_draftspace_2 Jp2593 (talk) 01:49, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The only requirement for species is that

Their names and at least a brief description must have been published in a reliable academic publication to be recognized as correct or valid.
— WP:SPECIES

As far as I can tell, none of the academic journals you cite mention a species named Tarsomys orientalis. That's probably the issue. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa There is one in the "Advance articles" portion of the OUP Academic journal (see in this link:https://academic.oup.com/jmammal/advance-articles?login=false) which also links to the source publication. Jp2593 (talk) 03:41, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think a name appearing in a preview in an "advance articles portion" of a journal's website counts as publication in a reliable academic publication. jlwoodwa (talk) 05:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa would a publication(but closed access) be reliable in this instance? Jp2593 (talk) 09:38, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jp2593 The draft in its current state is already acceptable. The notability standard for species is simply proof of existence and a proper scientific name. Both of which are established by the first published description in a recognized academic journal. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 13:21, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

@Jp2593 You've cited quite a bit of sources. With your 800 edits you should have access to wp:lib, specifically the oxford academic and this source, which is I believe what you are looking for:

• Rickart, Eric A; Rowsey, Dakota M; Ibañez, Jayson C; Quidlat, Roselyn S; Balete, Danilo S; Heaney, Lawrence R (25 May 2024). "A new species of the endemic Tarsomys clade (Muridae, Rodentia) from eastern Mindanao Island, Philippines". Journal of Mammalogy. doi:10.1093/jmammal/gyae051. ISSN 0022-2372.

JackTheSecond (talk) 20:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I think your main problem is that you're citing a Facebook post for a lot of the content, which is self-published. If you can instead cite that stuff to the study, which the agency's Facebook post draws on, you're probably OK. That's what I'd do. Mrfoogles (talk) 03:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding my information

Hi there, I hope this message finds you well. My name is Edward, and I used to produce fine art printing in Manhattan NY starting in 1986 for modeling agencies, photographers, and the fashion and hair industry before the internet became popular. Recently, I was contacted by awards archives to add my information to Wikipedia for all the awards I have received throughout my career. They will also be hosting an event to celebrate this milestone, which I am very excited about. All my information was deleted that i posted and i am very confused. If you can help, please help me, otherwise I will leave it deleted and close the account i created.

Thank you for reaching out to me.

Best regards, Edward Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:13, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Edward Boginsky. You wrote an overtly self promotional and unreferenced autobiography using non neutral language. It was correctly deleted because it was the exact opposite of a neutrally written, well referenced encyclopedia article. You seem to have a deep misunderstanding of how this encyclopedia, the #7 website in the world, actually operates. Self-promotional editing is banned by policy on Wikipedia. If you want to keep editing Wikipedia, I recommend that you read Your first article and study it until you understand it. As for closing your account, that is not possible for legal reasons. You have already edited Wikipedia and all edits must be attributed to the account that made it. You are free to abandon your account if you so choose. Just stop using it. Cullen328 (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I will!

Thank you Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:40, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Those people aren't associated with Wikipedia, make sure not to give anyone any money. Temerarius (talk) 02:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I know that, but I have a quick question - what do I do? I know that may sound a bit silly, but I'm a bit lost on how to add my information. You might not know, I was well known by everyone and my career started in 1986. However, after 9/11, I left NYC and now all my old friends and clients have found me. They want everyone to know that I was the person who published all the look books and fine art books. It's been quite the journey!

Any tips on how I can add my information and get back in touch with everyone? I would really appreciate your help.

Thank you so much! Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:34, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

You do not add information about yourself. Please read and digest Wikipedia:Autobiography. -- Hoary (talk) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

I warmly applaud Deepfriedokra for doing exactly what I'd have done if I'd seen User:Edward Boginsky/sandbox first: deleting it. It was blatant, shameless promotion. (Indeed, to such a degree that it looked less like promotion, more like a parody of promotion.) I hope that you didn't pay some hucksters to produce such junk: as Temerarius suggests, there are a lot of outfits that prey on the credulous. -- Hoary (talk) 02:30, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. Edward--and thanks for your interest in contributing! If you have been notable enough as Wikipedia defines it, someone else--someday--will write about you at Edward Boginsky (draft). Writing an article about yourself is highly discouraged on WP, but you are free to introduce yourself on your userpage (in the context of your activities here). Anything beyond that might lead to violations of the COI (conflict of interest) policy; you must disclose your connections on the userpage. Let's hope I (or the S.S. Cunard (talk · contribs)) fetch some usable, substantial sources per WP:Golden rule on your behalf. All the best in your career; we may keep you updated! --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 02:36, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Understand.

Thank you again, but I will close the account. Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:42, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

@Edward Boginsky: At the end of the day, we regret to state that a WP article about you is pretty much unlikely in the long term (unless circumstances/developments prove otherwise). Googling your name outside this Teahouse thread brings up several calling cards (DeviantART, SoundCloud, Flickr, Medium, About.me, Amazon Podcasts, and the like) plus a few legal documents, but nothing more substantial. Even a survey across WP:Library's databases has turned out unfruitful. In short, hardly anything of note to base it on.

Should you decide to return one day, you might be interested in WP:WikiProject Visual Arts. Otherwise, you've still got those calling cards to make up for it. (Or better yet: How about you give a Miraheze wiki of your own a try?)

Apologies for the inconvenience, and sorry if things didn't work out in your favour--but that's how things are here. Take care--wishing you and your career well. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:24, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank You 174.141.162.57 (talk) 14:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment!

Hi there,

I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your comment. Your feedback is truly appreciated, and I value your perspective.

Regarding your concern about my name, I want to assure you that I did not pay anyone to do anything. If you feel that my name is a shameless promotion of myself, I completely understand. I respect your opinion, and I will continue to stay unknown, even though my name is listed as a publisher in many books.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts. Your input is important to me.

Edward Edward Boginsky (talk) 02:38, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If you are indead Edward Boginsky then you are allowed to have Edward Boginsky be your User name for your account. It was the draft content that was deemed promotional and hence deleted. If you truly believe that you qualify for Wikipedia-notable, i.e., that you and your career have been written about by people with no personal connection to you, to serve as references, then use WP:YFA as a guide. An important note: listing books you published can be part of the draft, but that does not establish notability. P.S. You can abandon your account, but not close/delete it. David notMD (talk) 15:44, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Is an Author allowed to approve a page?

I found this and the history seems unusual. The Author is also the publishing entity...is that allowed? I thought there was a process for this. TennisCop (talk) 15:45, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Experienced editors are allowed to move their own drafts to articles. The editor in question has a history of hundreds and hundreds of edits. David notMD (talk) 15:50, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

To expand slightly: the process you're referring to is the Articles for Creation process, but it isn't mandatory; if a user has the "confirmed editor" right, which is automatically applied once they have 10 edits and 4 days' tenure, then they can bypass the AfC process and publish an article directly. A user accepting their own AfC submission potentially could be a problem, but this didn't go through AfC; it's effectively just a regular page creation that started in draft space, and that's totally okay. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 15:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

If the author had a conflict of interest, or if the author was an utter newbie, then it wouldn't be appropriate for the author to publish it. In this case however, the author is a 18-year veteran of Wikipedia with over 30,000 edits on a wide variety of subjects, so it's pretty certain that this editor knows how to write an article that complies with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:15, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

So let me understand correctly; If I am an experienced editor with hundreds of edits, I can write drafts that go against the policies wiki has implemented regarding third-party references, etc, and publish it myself because of tenure? OK. Guess maybe I will get there one day from this coffee shop... TennisCop (talk) 17:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@TennisCop, articles that violate policies should be addressed and dealt with. How they should be dealt with depends on the nature of the problem. Schazjmd (talk) 17:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@TennisCop All new articles that don't go through AfC are looked at by the new pages patrol and may be dealt with harshly by them. Only WP:AUTOCONFIRMED editors won't be reviewed in that way. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I think you meant WP:AUTOPATROLLED.) Schazjmd (talk) 17:42, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I submitted a BLP Article for review and it got rejected.

I am not sure if I understand the reason for rejection. The subject is noteworthy with multiple new coverages in reliable independent sources. Can somebody help me with identifying and rectifying, please? Sumansindhu (talk) 06:19, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Gaurav Burman Tollens (talk) 06:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Sumansindhu, your draft has not been rejected (meaning that the subject is definitely not notable enough for a Wikipedia article). It has now been declined (because it does not currently demonstrate that he's notable), twice. If you make a habit of resubmitting it without making substantial improvements, it will reduce your chance of ever having it accepted.

You could easily make your draft look more like a Wikipedia article, as follows:

• Refer to the subject by his family name throughout.
• Use sentence case for section headers.
• Put references after punctuation, not before.
• Remove all direct external links.

But the important issue is that, in the opinion of the two declining editors, you have not demostrated that he's notable. In your opinion, which three of the sources currently cited do most to show that he's notable? Maproom (talk) 12:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, @Maproom @Tollens

I have added about 11 news articles from strong and reliable platforms. Your pointers sound useful and I will make sure to implement them when I edit next. Sumansindhu (talk) 07:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

GA

I know this is quite a weird question, but will 2024 Hualien earthquake page be a good article? It has a B-rating. Also, the grammar, format, and spelling appear to be good. Bakhos2010 (talk) 09:16, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

In order to be a good article, it must be nominated following the process laid out at WP:GAI. Any significant contributor to the article who believes that it fulfils the Good Article criteria can nominate it. (You do not appear to be a significant contributor, and so should not nominate the article without discussing it on the article talkpage first). I haven't read the article all the way through, but at a minimum the lead is currently way too short and does not sufficiently summarise the content given the length of the article, so I do not think it would pass as-is. Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 09:46, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Just a note that nominations without significantly contributing to the article are known as drive-by nominations and are frowned upon NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 09:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Bakhos2010 yes but you are not allowed to nominate it as you are not a significant author. 48JCL TALK 22:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello All! Need your help with understanding the issues with my new draft.

Hi All,

I have worked on a new draft article Draft: Orrb , it got rejected so I made the changes as per the comments by the fellow Wikipedian so I would request any one of you to go through the same and let me know if it is fine now or not?

Is it fine now to submit for review?

Please share your valuable feedback since its my first article. I will appreciate your help. I loggedin the Libera.Chat Live chat, asked my question but no one replied.

Thanks in advance! Techy.Sap (talk) 11:12, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

It wasn't rejected; it was declined. Let's look at a sentence: It allows users to sit inside to relax, get recharged, and work on self-development with a 5, 10, 20, or 30-minute wellness session for mental well-being and stress reduction to engender a focused work culture. What, if anything, does it mean to "get recharged", to "work on self-development", "wellness", or "a focused work culture"? -- Hoary (talk) 11:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

ok sorry it was declined I meant. Techy.Sap (talk) 11:48, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

"McCormack reported in 2005 that he received positive feedback about the device's effectiveness." Sure he did; he invented it. Wikipedia needs independent sources. Maproom (talk) 13:08, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Maproom, Sure I will recheck on it. Thanks for your help. Techy.Sap (talk) 08:43, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Personal Sandbox Images

I am trying to create a wiki-like set of documents for personal world building purposes, and I am using my Sandbox to generate templates for them. I want to put images into them but don't want them to be on Wiki Commons (primarily due to copyrighted fonts). Is there any way I could put images in them without putting them on Commons?

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 12:14, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @MarinaTheRanger and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia is not here as a web host or for "personal world building purposes", and you may not upload copyright materials. Please see WP:NOT. Shantavira|^{feed me} 13:17, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict) @MarinaTheRanger, even though we allow for some leniency in personal sandboxes, the things in them should still be Wikipedia centric, see WP:NOTWEBHOST. As for the actual question non-free images cannot be hosted or used except in specific conditions. None of those conditions allow for use in userspace, see Wikipedia:Non-free content. McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 13:18, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@MarinaTheRanger: Welcome to the Teahouse. As others have said, Wikipedia isn't appropriate as a venue for personal non-Wikipedia content. Have you considered using something like Notion.so? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:26, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for mentioning an alternative- been looking for one for a while now and i'll check out Notion.

Thanks again, Marina

MarinaTheRanger (talk) 17:47, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Better yet: Why not try Miraheze? They've long allowed wikis for worldbuilding purposes.

Commons also discourages "photohosting" per c:COM:PARTYPICS, so you're better off uploading to your own wiki after MH approves your request. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

As long as your images are raster, you can use any font you like per c:Template:PD-font. But your files still have to be within scope (either used on a Wikimedia project such as English Wikipedia or "realistically useful for an educational purpose" (per c:COM:INUSE) if you decide to upload on Commons. If you upload locally on the English Wikipedia, they still have to follow WP:NOTWEBHOST, and it is at best questionable whether "a wiki-like set of documents for personal world building purposes" follows this. —Matrix(!) {user - talk? - _uselesscontributions} 17:32, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

How do we moderate a page that is having too many updates?

How do we moderate a page that is having too many updates? Skinnyshark (talk) 18:22, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Skinnyshark. You'll have to be clearer with your question. Who is "we"? What do you mean by "moderate"? In what sense is it having "too many updates"?

The only article you have edited recently is Pawan Kalyan - is that the one you are referring to? There has been a flurry of activity on that article recently, but how is it "too many"?

It does suffer, however, from having a lot of unsourced, non-neutral text, and I have tagged it as such. ColinFine (talk) 19:35, 12 June 2024 (UTC) q

Skinnyshark, on Wikipedia, there is literally no such thing as too many updates! unless you can provide solid evidence of disruptive editing. Do you have such evidence? Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Appreciate your response, "too many" means when multiple people update same source without any citations! Anyhow, I'm updated a picture on that page "Pawan Kalyan" and somebody else updated on top of mine with a very bad picture, now i can't update anymore as its saying "check update histy", no how do i update it good picture? Skinnyshark (talk) 21:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Regardless of quality, it's important to 1) discuss with the other editors (WP:CONSENSUS is how "many updates" leads to what many editors generally think is a reasonable result) and 2) not ever violate our WP:COPYVIO policy by uploading pictures found on other nonfree websites but instead 3) only use free sources and always give credit to those sources. DMacks (talk) 00:30, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi, been a while since I contributed and was hoping anyone could offer some guidance?

I am trying to add one fairly straight-forward factual sentence to a long existing Wikipedia page. The sentence includes 5 hyperlinks to existing Wikipedia pages, and 4 external citations. I am ready to post, however at top of page I have the following message:

Script warning: One or more {{cite web}} templates have maintenance messages; messages may be hidden (help).

When I try to click on the links at top of page, it says my edits may not be saved if I click on those links. I have been unable to find any specific help on multiple Wikipedia and Google pages for this warning.

Can someone please let me know best way to see the actual "script warnings" they are stating? And / or how to edit / fix?

Thank you. CBrookUM (talk) 20:20, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CBrookUM, and welcome to the Teahouse. It's hard to know what's happening when you haven't given us much information. But in most browsers there is a way to pick on a link and open it in another tab (or another window) - sometimes by the middle mouse button (or wheel) if you have one, and more generally by right clicking, and picking "Open in new tab". That way you can look at the message without losing the work you are doing in the first tab or window.

In fact, you can pick on the links in the warning that you've included in your question above, to see what they are telling you - it appears that at least one of your citations uses a {{cite web}} template, but does not have any named parameters. ColinFine (talk) 20:33, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@CBrookUM, which article are you trying to edit? You might see that type of message for a citation error for a cite that's already in the article, not just added in your edit. Schazjmd (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@CBrookUM: "help" in the warning should be a link to Help:CS1 errors#Controlling error message display, but it may be a bit technical for an inexperienced user. If you mean that previewing your edit gives this warning and you don't want to save it in an article then you can save it in User:CBrookUM/sandbox. Then we can see the problem and probably fix it for you. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:01, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

CBrookUM, it may be that your citations are fine and that there were pre-existing errors on the page, in which case you may go ahead and save your edit as written. Try this: edit the page, and *without* adding your new sentence, hit the Preview button. Now look at the top of the page. Do you see the same errors noted there as before?

1. NO (there are no errors now): this means there was an error with your citations which needs attention. Hit Cancel and seek further assistance.
2. NO, BUT (there are some errors, but not as many as before with your sentence): there were pre-existing errors, but your sentence also had some errors. Hit Cancel and seek further assistance.
3. YES (exactly the same errors as before): there was no problem with your citations; go ahead and add your sentence with the citations, and hit Publish, ignoring the error notice you see there.

Try this, and report back what you saw. Other editors will be able to help you further, armed with this information. Mathglot (talk) 21:23, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you all for the help and guidance, greatly appreciated. After following suggestions it "appears" the very small issue / recommendation listed at top of the existing page I edited (adding one sentence to page) has been corrected. CBrookUM (talk) 02:21, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Adding logos, images

I'm a beginner. How do I add a company logo to the summary box or images to the company's page? I have a COI so I have to request all the changes -- so do other people incorporate those changes or do I? Perkins Eastman Jserge630 (talk) 21:55, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for asking, Jserge630, and for your candour about your COI. You make the suggestions in Talk:Perkins Eastman. It's best that you do so via the link there to "request corrections or suggest content". (You didn't previously fail to notice this: I've only just now added it.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Generic template to regular article

I think I broke a page I was working on. How can I title this correctly and submit this page to the mainspace? Template:Article templates/generic article. Thank you.

Wizelf (talk) 22:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

@Wizelf, The page you edited is used to assist in the creation of new articles. If you wish to submit an article for review, please use Wikipedia:Article wizard. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 00:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Blps Template not Activating

Hi Mods :)!

I copied the Blps template onto my sandbox -- and the template won't show up when published :(. Am I missing a step or another function before the template shows up?

Here is my page: User:Eleniofillyria/sandbox - Wikipedia

I'm rather new here so pardon the snafus ;).

Thanx in advance for your help!

Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 01:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

hi @Eleniofillyria and welcome to the Teahouse! I'm assuming you directly typed {{blps}} while using VisualEditor, which it interpreted literally as having been the text itself intsea of a templtae call. that being said, {{blps}} is the wrong template to use in this case, as it is intended for use in talk pages of BLP articles instead of drafts. you may be looking for {{AfC draft}}, which I've gone ahead and added to your draft page.

I'm not particularly skilled in VisualEditor myself as I primarily use the source editor (which is probably harder to learn if you don't already have a programming background), but to insert templates in VisualEditor you may press Insert > Template to paste a given template. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:13, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Melicie & Primehunter :)!

Thank you to you both for such a quick reply to my query :).

This is actually the specific kind of template I'd like to open on my sandbox page (the one with the picture on the right side of the page): Template:Biography - Wikipedia

In Visual Editor, I don't see the code or words I need to insert. How do you write it out so that this kind of layout shows up on my sandbox page?

In Source Editing, do I just type the blps code on the 1st line? I don't think the {{AfC draft}} is what I'm looking for since it's too general :(?

Again, thanx for your advice! I await your clarification.

Warmest regards,

Eleni

P.S: I'm also not adept yet at Visual Editing Melicie ;). But I do have some vague familiarity with the earlier versions of HTML, so I can do a few troubleshoots now and then ;). Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know why it's so difficult to write on that AFC template :(! Why is there a box there and it's so hard to replace the words in the box :(. Could I just have a template on Biography as I had indicated in my previous message?

Some of the words are confusing on the template. If I just have the biography template, I certainly will be "substituting" the words there for the text of the article I have already written on MS Word.

Please, please help :O!

I await your pleasant but speedy reply Melicie or PrimeHunter :)!

Warmest regards,

Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Eleniofillyria: In VisualEditor you have to follow the procedure at Help:VisualEditor#Editing templates to add templates. Click the "Insert" menu, click "Template", write subst:Blps (without curly brackets) in the the box, click "Add", click "Insert". Template:Biography uses {{Infobox person}}. If that's the template you want then replace subst:Blps with Infobox person (most templates don't use subst:). {{Infobox person}} has a lot of parameters. You can fill out some of them between clicking "Add" and "Insert", or you can come back later to do it. There are many different infobox templates, also for different kind of people. What or who do you want to write about? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi PrimeHunter :)!

Thank you for responding so quickly ;). I will attempt to open a biography template again today following your instructions. Pray that I am successful -- or I will bother you again for instructions -- har har ;)!

Regarding subject of article, I would like to write about this accomplished person in the space exploration and development industry who can be a great inspiration to the youth, particularly the less privileged young people in the third world. I believe I have enough resources and references to fulfill the requirements stipulated by Wikipedia -- but that is for the editors to determine ;).

Again, my profuse thanks PrimeHunter for your help! Chat again soon, of course, on less troublesome topics :).

Regards,

Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Eleniofillyria: I was writing a reply while melecie answered. I will still post it in case it's helpful too:

You used VisualEditor. Most of our documentation is written for the source editor where you can write {{subst:Blps}}. If you try to write that in VisualEditor then it automatically adds undisplayed code to deactivate the template call and merely display the code of the call instead. See Help:VisualEditor#Editing templates for how to add templates in VisualEditor. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanx PrimeHunter for the quick reply :)! Please do check my answer to Melicie above which I addressed to you both ;).

Have a smashing day and hear your advice soon :)! Eleniofillyria (talk) 03:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Helen Van Wyk

Is there an article on the artist Helen Van Wyk who had a television show on PBS similar to Bob Ross and Bill Alexander called Welcome to my Studio? I'd like to write one and cannot find one on WP but sometimes I do not search correctly and find out later that one was already created. Thought I'd ask here just to make sure. Thanks. Maineartists (talk) 01:50, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

hi @Maineartists and welcome to the Teahouse! there does not seem to be an article on Helen Van Wyk or Welcome to my Studio, at least as far as my duck-fu can take me, so you can potentially write one. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 02:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Artist Biography Template

Hi I'm struggling submitting an article titled: Maral Salmassi It's an artist bio and it seems there is an old rejected draft with the same name conflicting with my submissions. My last draft just disappeared when I pressed submit. Then I noticed there was this old article instead of mine. Can you please help? AZaMas (talk) 02:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Maral Salmassi Cowboygilbert - (talk) ♥ 05:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP indefinitely blocked for promotion. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Editing semi-protected pages

There is a semi-protected page I wish to edit, but my attack account lacks sufficient... establishment. How can I meaningfully build up enough contributions without just making bogus edits?

10 edits isn't a lot but I'd feel bad just farming them on my userpage or something, but I also don't know how I'd track down things to meaningfully improve. Kisequé (talk) 03:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kisequé the Task Center has some beginner-friendly tasks you might be interested in. You can also use the {{edit semi-protected}} template on talk pages of semi-protected articles, and someone else will implement the edits on your behalf. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 03:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Kisequé, just edit productively and do not try to game the system. Please explain why you are in such a rush to edit highly controversial articles? That often ends badly. Cullen328 (talk) 08:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not in a rush and it's not a "highly controversial" article, just minor protection because of persistant vandalism some 10 years ago. I don't use Wikipedia a massive amount so I don't come across opportunities to make edits very frequently, which is why I was seeking ways to more efficiently build up credibility. Kisequé (talk) 16:00, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Your attack? You can also consider using the article talkpage or ask for input at related Wikiprojects. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:00, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps you meant "account"? David notMD (talk) 13:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

That does make sense. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:49, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I had meant to say account, yeah. Is it considered acceptable to edit messages to fix mistakes of that type?

Honestly rather confused on how I even made that error, I'm not on mobile so it couldn't have been auto-correct... Kisequé (talk) 15:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

It is fine to edit them, though it's best to do so before anyone else has replied. Elli (talk | contribs) 15:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Kisequé: Sometimes I'm thinking of a similar word and type that down instead of what I meant to say. For editing comments that have been replied to, best practice is to follow what WP:REDACT says:

• Any deleted text should be marked with <del>...</del>, which renders in most browsers as struck-through text, e.g., deleted.
• Any inserted text should be marked with <ins>...</ins>, which renders in most browsers as underlined text, e.g., inserted.

—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Didn't know about those tags, thanks! Kisequé (talk) 16:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Assistance Needed for Varun Choudhary's Draft Rejection

Hi Wikipedia Teahouse,

I recently submitted a draft article for Varun Choudhary, the National President of the National Students' Union of India (NSUI), which is the student wing of the Indian National Congress. The draft was declined with the feedback that it does not meet the notability criteria under WP, and the references do not show significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources.

Here is the link to the draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Varun_Choudhary

Points of Coverage: - Varun Choudhary's significant role as the National President of NSUI, India’s largest student organization. - His involvement and leadership in major national student movements and political protests, including the NEET exam rigging controversy. - Multiple references from reputable news sources such as The New Indian Express, Economic Times, Money Control, and others. - An external link to the official Indian National Congress website confirming his position.

Concerns:

- The feedback mentioned that the references provided do not show significant coverage or that the coverage is not sufficient to establish notability.

- I reviewed Wikipedia articles of previous NSUI Presidents such as Neeraj Kundan and Fairoz Khan to ensure consistency and compliance with Wikipedia standards.

Request: Could you please help me understand how I can improve the draft to meet Wikipedia's notability standards? Are there specific types of sources or additional information that would better establish Varun Choudhary’s notability? Any guidance on addressing the feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you for your assistance.

Best regards, Mickey Itsmickeymouse (talk) 08:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Itsmickeymouse, you cannot assume that existing articles meet Wikipedia's standards. Very many do not. You say that there are "Multiple references from reputable news sources" but what's needed is coverage in some depth. Here (right here, in the "teahouse") please provide links to what you regard as the three best sources on VC: sources that are both informative and reliable. (They must be disinterested, meaning that they shouldn't be based on interviews with VC.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hoary,

Thank you for your feedback. I would like to provide three sources that offer in-depth, reliable, and independent coverage of Varun Choudhary:

- Economic Times - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/congress-demands-sc-monitored-probe-into-neet-exam-irregularities/articleshow/110797226.cms?from=mdr

This article discusses Varun Choudhary's involvement in the NEET exam rigging protests, demonstrating his active role in addressing significant national issues.

- Money Control - https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/politics/congress-appoints-alka-lamba-chief-of-its-womens-wing-varun-choudhary-to-head-nsui-12007311.html

This article details his appointment as the National President of NSUI, highlighting his leadership position within a major political organization.

- Deccan Herald - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/delhi/congress-students-wing-protests-against-bjp-mp-hegdes-amending-constitution-remarks-2931827

This article covers Varun Choudhary's involvement in protests against proposed constitutional amendments, showcasing his influence and participation in national political discourse.

Additionally, to further establish his notability, here is a reference about his election as the youngest Secretary in the history of the Delhi University Students' Union (DUSU):

- Indian Express - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/nsui-sweeps-dusu-polls/

This article provides information about his election as Secretary in DUSU, highlighting his early leadership roles.

I hope these sources provide the necessary depth and reliability to establish Varun Choudhary's notability. If there are any additional guidelines or specific types of references that would strengthen this submission, I would appreciate your guidance.

/Mickey Itsmickeymouse (talk) 10:36, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the links.

1. Economic Times - https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/congress-demands-sc-monitored-probe-into-neet-exam-irregularities/articleshow/110797226.cms?from=mdr The website demands that I disable my ad blocker. I can't be bothered. But please don't take my personal annoyance to be a black mark against the source: I'm simply passing on the task of reading this and commenting on it to some other editor here.
        This source quotes something that Choudhary said. Maproom (talk) 14:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)
2. Money Control - https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/politics/congress-appoints-alka-lamba-chief-of-its-womens-wing-varun-choudhary-to-head-nsui-12007311.html This one is very odd. As I view it, all it says about VC is "Congress appoints Alka Lamba chief of its women's wing, Varun Choudhary to head NSUI / Congress president Mallikarjun Kharge also appointed Varun Choudhary as the head of the party's students' wing National Students' Union of India (NSUI)." There's what looks like a button that will have me jump over the advertising and gossip junk and will let me "READ MORE"; but when I click on it, nothing happens (and I'm shown no more).
3. Deccan Herald - https://www.deccanherald.com/india/delhi/congress-students-wing-protests-against-bjp-mp-hegdes-amending-constitution-remarks-2931827 This quotes VC, both indirectly and directly. That's all, really.
4. Indian Express - https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/delhi/nsui-sweeps-dusu-polls/ Here's what this says: "Varun Khari and Varun Chaudhary of NSUI were elected vice-president and secretary,respectively. [...] Varun Choudhary polled 15,605 votes,defeating ABVP's Ritu Rana by 2,617 votes." That's all.

Conceivably there's significant coverage in the first or second of these four. There isn't in the third or fourth. -- Hoary (talk) 11:22, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The first only quotes Choudhary, among many others. The second announces Choudhary's appointment, a single sentence; the rest is about Lamba only. Neither provides significant coverage. Schazjmd (talk) 12:35, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

I have found some more sources that provide coverage of his activities and impact:

1) https://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/delhi/2024/Jun/08/neet-results-student-unions-seek-re-exam-probe

This article discusses the NEET exam rigging protests and mentions Varun Choudhary's involvement.

2) https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/metro/delhi/politics/know-who-is-varun-chaudhary-who-become-nsui-president-and-alka-lamba-become-woman-congress-president/articleshow/106593361.cms?story=2

This article provides an overview of Varun Choudhary's background.

3) https://thewire.in/rights/neet-protests-intensify-nsui-joins-agitation-as-national-testing-agency-continues-to-face-flak

This article provides coverage of the NEET protests and mentions NSUI's role under Varun Choudhary's leadership.

4) https://news.careers360.com/nsui-national-president-appeals-political-parties-withdraw-agneepath-scheme

This article discusses Varun Choudhary's stance on the Agneepath scheme and his appeal to political parties.

Let me know what you think, I’d appreciate your advice. Itsmickeymouse (talk) 10:25, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Minor edits on mobile

Hello Teahouse. I'm currently using Wikipedia on mobile, but I can't seem to make minor edits. The "button" isn't there when I click publish. I normally use VisualEditor on phone, but I'm pretty sure that using Wikicode and VisualEditor doesn't have the "button" to make minor edits. Is there a way to turn it on or is it normal on phones?

Best regards, StadionK (talk) 09:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi StadionK, welcome to the Teahouse. Help:Minor edit says: "Users who are not logged in to Wikipedia or are in mobile mode are not permitted to mark changes as minor because of the potential for vandalism." However, I do currently have the minor edit checkbox when I'm logged in on mobile. Are you logged in? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:29, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Yes, I am logged in when editing. StadionK (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@StadionK: On mobile I see the minor edit box and a watch box in VisualEditor but neither in source editor. That is odd. If you made a source edit then you can switch to VisualEditor on the pencil icon to the left of the blue ">" button before using that button. I don't know why this is apparently needed to mark an edit as minor. Maybe somebody thought a source edit is more likely to screw up code seriously while making an apparently minor change. Maybe it's an accident that the features aren't synchronized. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter I don’t have any buttons in the source editor AND the VisualEditor. (When I mean Wikicode, I mean source editor. It’s because I’m from another Wikipedia.) StadionK (talk) 14:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@StadionK: Are you referring to edits at the English Wikipedia? If I click the pencil icon at the top of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Example#/editor/0, select "Visual editing", add a random space somewhere and click the blue ">" button then I get a page with a "This is a minor edit" box on the left and a blue Publish button on the right. What happens for you? PrimeHunter (talk) 15:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Yes. I also don’t have the box in other Wikipedias. When I click the “>” button, it takes to a box, where I need to summarize the edit with no “This is a minor edit” box. StadionK (talk) 19:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

fix tone issues on article

Hello! I re-submitted the Draft:Alissic and I just noticed that the editor who declined it last time commented that it has some tone issues. Is there a bot that can fix it or do I have to rewrite it where it is needed? Is there also a manual or something similar on how to prevent this kind of errors? Thanks in advance - feni (tellmehi) 09:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@FENFEN We have some advice at WP:TONE. There isn't a bot to fix this, as it takes human intelligence to spot this sort of issue. You may also like to read this about promotion which has similar advice about words to avoid. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Sentences like Alissic's method of creating is very unique. are examples of poor tone, since they don't conform to Wikipedia's core policy of neutrality and should not be stated as fact unless directly quoting from a source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:14, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

It's not even correct English. Unique means 'one of a kind', and you can't modify that; it's either unique or it's not. Shantavira|^{feed me} 12:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree with you, but like with "literally", there are several people who insist of using it wrong. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Copyright permissions

Can someone kindly point me to the policy on gaining permissions to use copy-written information from a web site on a wiki draft? TIA Geraldine Aino (talk) 15:33, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The instructions can be found at Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials. Shantavira|^{feed me}. Note that is not just a matter of getting permission; the materials must be donated and released from any copyright. 15:38, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Football Articles contributer

Hello, I am looking for someone who could help contribute and help write quality articles on football clubs, leagues, players, etc. Would anyone be willing to help as I have had trouble establishing notability on my articles in the past.

Appreciatively,

MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

You might try visiting the Football WikiProject. 331dot (talk) 15:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, could you explain where I could find help on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football.

All the Best,

MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@MintyFresh201: Post your question on the project's talk page: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football RudolfRed (talk) 15:55, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, will do. Thanks MintyFresh201 (talk) 15:56, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

A conflict of interest?

Hello,

I am John Seitz, communications editor for the Jay and Susie Gogue Performing Arts Center in Auburn, Alabama. Our venue is relatively new (it opened in 2019), and I believe creating a Wikipedia page for the Gogue Center would help to further establish its social and cultural presence. My question is, as an employee of the Gogue Center, is it a conflict of interest for me to create the Wikipedia page myself? I am brand new to Wikipedia, but have several years as a professional editor and one of my duties in my current job is to provide accurate, useful information about the Gogue Center for the public. Is it okay for me to create the page myself, or should I wait for an independent third party to feel inspired to create a Gogue Center page on their own?

Thank you,

John John Seitz 88 (talk) 16:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@John Seitz 88 Welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for disclosing your COI. In fact, you will be considered a paid editor and should read and comply with those requirements. Once you have done that you can try to use the WP:AfC process to draft an article. Beware, however, that this is quite a difficult task for newcomers. Your main task will be to show your venue is notable in the quirky way Wikipedia defines that. Please read all these links. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

For example, you might think that this article is a good source to use but it is based on interviews and press releases, so does not fully meet the criteria of being a secondary, independent and reliable source. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Rather than create a full article, you could start by adding material to Auburn, Alabama#Arts, culture, and recreation. In view of your COI, you should do this by making edit requests on its Talk Page. There is no COI involved in adding good photos of the center you took with your own camera to Wikimedia Commons. The COI arises when incorporated into articles. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Mike. This is informative and helps point me in the right direction. As a newbie offering up his first vulnerable inquiry, I appreciate hearing your warm, welcoming response coming out of the cold, anonymous void of the internet. John Seitz 88 (talk) 16:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@John Seitz 88 I'd like to add a +1 to Mike Turnbull's suggestion: taking pictures of the center with your own camera and uploading them to the Wikimedia Commons is a great idea. Pecopteris (talk) 23:12, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

@John Seitz 88: Greetings, and welcome to the Teahouse. To take your points in order:

• I believe creating a Wikipedia page for the Gogue Center would help to further establish its social and cultural presence. That would be promotion, which is not what Wikipedia is for. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, which does not have "pages", per se, but articles on notable subjects.
• My question is, as an employee of the Gogue Center, is it a conflict of interest for me to create the Wikipedia page myself? Yes, absolutely. Furthermore, as an employee, per Wikipedia's terms of use you are required to disclose this connection as noted above.
• ...one of my duties in my current job is to provide accurate, useful information... This is all well and good, but what we need most of all is verifiability. All articles need to be based on verifiable references to reliable sources which are independent of the subject. Without this, there is literally nothing upon which a proper encyclopedia article can be based--we care relatively little about what the subject of an article has to say about itself.
• Is it okay for me to create the page myself, or should I wait for an independent third party to feel inspired to create a Gogue Center page on their own? Most definitely the latter. It's not prohibited for you to create the page yourself, but it's not recommended. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, doubly so when there is a conflict of interest involved, since you effectively need to forget everything you know about the organization and base the article solely on third-party sources. If you do want to proceed, then the article should be created as a draft, which, when completed, can be evaluated by experienced editors via the Articles for Creation process. But in any case, it is recommended for any prospective Wikipedia editor that they poke around, edit on existing articles, and generally get a better grounding on Wikipedia's policies and procedures before they embark on creating entirely new content.

Hope this helps. Feel free to ask further questions. Thanks, and happy editing! --Finngall ^talk 16:39, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the detailed response to my question. I greatly appreciate this. John Seitz 88 (talk) 17:48, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, John. I would add to what the others have said, that to "establish its social and cultural presence" is absolutely not part of the purposes of Wikipedia: indeed, writing with that purpose is precisely promotion, and forbidden. ColinFine (talk) 23:08, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I'd like to agree with that, and add another layer to it. Maybe you disagree with the following. If so, please let me know, so I can adjust how I think about this sort of thing.

Editors have all sorts of reasons for editing Wikipedia. For instance, on articles about modern politics, many editors want to promote information about politicians/candidates/issues that they care about, or denigrate politicians/candidates/issues that they find objectionable. That is self-evident, and it's not necessarily a problem. Per AGF, we do not interrogate editors about the reasons for their edits if they are good edits, and we are not in the business of accusing editors of thought crimes.

The only thing that matters is the content of the edits. If @John Seitz 88 is able to write a solid article that neutrally summarizes verifiable information published by reliable sources, more power to him, even if his inner purpose is to promote something that he cares about. Likewise, if the draft that John writes is not a good article, per the above criteria, it will be rejected, regardless of his internal thoughts and motivations.

Of course, that should all be understood within the context of WP:PAID, but that has already been brought to John's attention. Pecopteris (talk) 23:24, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes. My intention in asking the question about COI was to understand definitively if, as an employee of the Gogue Center, it was strictly forbidden for me to contribute an article. If this were the case, naturally I would abandon the undertaking and save myself the time and effort. My employer is a nonprofit performing arts center on the campus of an R1 level university. It is not unusual or inappropriate for such institutions to have a dedicated Wikipedia article. The Jule Collins Smith Museum of Fine Art, which is located across the street from the Gogue Center, already has an entry. I suppose the ideal would be for an independent third party to take it upon themselves to submit an article; however, the Gogue Center has now existed since 2019. I thought it might be time to craft an article myself, if allowed. I would do my level best to create an article that adheres to Wikipedia's editorial standards and practices. If it is rejected on those grounds, so be it. I asked my original question simply to clarify if any article on the Gogue Center that I submitted would be rejected automatically because of my status as an employee. But from what I can surmise from the wealth of feedback I have already received, it is appropriate and worth my time to pursue this endeavor, provided that I follow the correct protocols. Thank you to everyone for your well-informed advice and caveats—they have been genuinely helpful, and on balance, encouraging. John Seitz 88 (talk) 14:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Siege of Silves (1191)

Siege of Silves (1191) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) is a redirect to Almohad campaign against Portugal (1190–1191). Today it was hijacked and an AI-generated article with useless Google Books references was put in its place.

I reverted and warned the user (about the hijacking and the LLM usage). Their response was to hijack the redirect again (this time accidentally leaving it in place at the top of the page).

As they're a new user, I don't want to jump to ANI, so this seems to be the place to come to ask for help on their behalf... and also to ask for their AI-generated article to be reverted again as I don't want to edit war. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 16:20, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Reverted (not by me), restored without comment, reverted again. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 16:47, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor - this is a place for newcomers to ask questions about using or editing Wikipedia, not a place to report disruptive editing. If they're not responding to warnings or attempts at discussion, ANI is the place to go; you could also request page protection at WP:RFPP. 57.140.16.48 (talk) 17:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm reluctant to dump a brand new editor directly into ANI. And it's because they are a brand new editor that my first thought was that someone here, on the board for brand new editors, might be willing to help them before it reaches the whole bounce-them-out-the-door stage. But perhaps not then. 81.187.192.168 (talk) 17:41, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Okay, that's fair reasoning. I've striked out that comment so more experienced editors can help.

PS: I noticed your contribs :D thanks for your positive edits to WP! You should consider making an account so you can properly be thanked. GoldRomean (talk) 17:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Don't worry about reporting newer users to ANI, as long as they've been appropriately warned and are still being disruptive. GoldRomean (talk) 17:40, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Kasane Teto

Request for translation + article assistqance, thanks! Snipertron12 [|User|Talk|Cont|] 17:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Why do you use bare URLs? 48JCL TALK 20:17, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps, Snipertron12, you want help translating bits of the article ja:重音テト into English in order to augment the article Kasane Teto. If so, better to say so (and good luck with that request); if not, better to say what you do want. -- Hoary (talk) 23:06, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

ugly mobile interface

So I decided to go on my ipad and use wikipedia to see how it was like and EVEN THOUGH I was on the desktop version, the info boxes are STILL in mobile format. Really ugly. please help 48JCL TALK 20:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Are you using the Desktop mode of your browser or the 'Desktop' button at the bottom of the page? Only the latter will switch to the desktop rendering version for infoboxes and such. WelpThatWorked (talk) 21:57, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

WelpThatWorked, what desktop button? 48JCL TALK 21:59, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, I’m using both. Still ugly as ****. 48JCL TALK 22:01, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

image 48JCL TALK 22:05, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

This looks identical to the Desktop styling, so I'm not really sure what you're expecting, and unless you have some on-wiki script or off-wiki extension that's only loaded on your desktop, I'm not sure what the cause of the discrepancy would be either. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:10, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

yeah but like i swear the info boxes never looked like that 48JCL TALK 22:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

If you could specify what, specifically looks different I might be able to give more insight, but as is I have no clue what you are referring to. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@WelpThatWorked, sorry I was referring to the fact that in the past the like basic format was in 2022 vector but the info boxes and other templates like article history and WPBS were in 2010 style. wondering how I can ge this back 48JCL • (^📲/_📝) 22:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

If you mean you want to mix the old with the new, then you would need to find what the CSS rules were prior to the change, then copy them to your custom common.css or vector.css. The easiest way to do this is probably to load up the page with the legacy skin, find the rules you want in the inspect element panel, and copy them over. WelpThatWorked (talk) 23:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@48JCL: Capturing a screenshot from a Wikipedia page or any page isn't your "own work" per c:COM:SCREENSHOT and c:COM:2D copying unless you're the copyright holder of source page; so, you shouldn't be licensing such files as such if you aren't the copyright holder of the page. I suggest you use Template:Wikipedia-screenshot instead in this case and then use Template:Information to provide a description for the file. If you want to see some examples as to how others have done with respect to files uploaded to Commons, try c:Category:English Wikipedia main page screenshots. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: shrinking image to 512px. happy editing! 💜  melecie  talk - 07:34, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

style

wikipedia look... Softer than before. was there an update or is something wrong with my laptop Cyan-Lime (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

@Cyan-Lime There has been an update to the appearance, yes. I'm not sure where exactly to find the changes, but the ones I noticed are the infoboxes changing and I think the sidebars moving closer to the side. CommissarDoggo^Talk? 21:30, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Is there any way to get the info boxes back? Hate the new look 48JCL TALK 22:02, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Thursday 13 June style changes. The problem has been reported to the bug tracker: phab:T367462. —⁠andrybak (talk) 22:53, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

problem

I am not allowed to add photos Alarab.pk (talk) 21:19, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

You do not currently have permission to upload Files. You will receive this permission automatically after your account reaches at least 4 day of age and 10 edits. WelpThatWorked (talk) 22:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

User blocked as a would-be advertiser. -- Hoary (talk) 23:25, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

References that are not online

i am working on writing an article and have references but they are not online or linkable. Can i just state the source ( authir, date, publication ) without a hyperlink? 122.150.145.49 (talk) 22:21, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes. This might be useful for you. Pecopteris (talk) 22:23, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

In such cases, include the most complete possible bibliographic information about the source. Cullen328 (talk) 07:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Cite bundling question

I looked at {{Unbulleted list citebundle}}, but didn't see a way to use named references inside this template. Is there a similar template like this one that can handle named references in bundled fashion? Trying to avoid the hidden text clutter of citing them all over again when the named references already exist, thanks. --GoneIn60 (talk) 22:31, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your use-case. Maybe you could do a mock-up of what you'd like to see? A "Bundle" is just a multi-entry list in the footnote associated with one in-body reference mark. What it sounds like you are describing would put reference marks in the reference itself (in-body would be "[1]" and at the end of the article would list "[1] [2][3][4]" rather than in-body "[2][3][4]". DMacks (talk) 21:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

GoneIn60, How's this?

Lead text.

Body

More text, referring to Doe, Miller, Brown, and Yamada.

References

The downside is, that you *must* refer to the LDR-defined refs somewhere in the body (or lead) or you will get an unused citation error. There may be a resolution by moving it into the body, but I haven't tried it, because I don't know what your actual use case is. HTH, Mathglot (talk) 01:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for responding DMacks and Mathglot. Yes, that example above may actually work. As Mathglot mentions, named refs are being fully cited using the |refs= parameter in the References section as described at WP:LDR. Then at the end of a lengthy sentence that may contain multiple claims, I'd like to bundle the named refs together and specify which refs support which claims. It's not always easy (or doesn't always work) to insert them mid-sentence.

Hope that makes sense. Doing it this way will also help avoid the massive amounts of clutter in hidden text when editing prose (most citations have an archived URL, so they get pretty lengthy). I will give it a shot. Appreciate the help! --GoneIn60 (talk) 15:16, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox probelem

File:Map of Iowa highlighting Wayne County.svg scaled to 250px

Scaled to 245px

Scaled to 255px

There is a problem with the Wikipedia article for Iowa County, Iowa. and I don't know how to fix it. There is a map of the state of Iowa which should show the location o the county in red. However, it shows the entire state in red. It looks to me like the "infobox U.S. county" infobox is supposed to automatically display an image file from Commons that shows the location of the county. But apparently, no such image file exists. I looked at other county articles which did not have this problem, and I found out what the name of the file for Iowa County should be. But Wikipedia Commons will not allow me to upload a file with that name. So I don't know how to proceed. Any help would be much appreciated. PopePompus (talk) 22:54, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

It looks like the file was generated programmatically, and so was confused by the county having the same identifier as the state. However, I do not currently have the permissions needed to fix it at the moment. If anyone else wants to, just replacing the first instance of id="Iowa" with id="Iowa_S" or similar ought to do it. WelpThatWorked (talk) 23:27, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

The same issue occurs with Idaho County, Idaho, but not with Oklahoma County, Oklahoma; Utah County, Utah, or any of the other counties with the same name as their state. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

It looks like other users have already gone and modified those ones without issue. WelpThatWorked (talk) 13:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Where would that "id=" be? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 05:32, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Baseball Bugs: It's in the source text of the original file at File:Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County.svg. SVG files use readable text and not binary code like most image formats. You can edit the file with a normal text editor like Windows Notepad but you still have to download the file, edit it and and upload the new version. Commons requires autopatrolled right to overwrite files. You have it. I don't. Will you make the change? PrimeHunter (talk) 10:21, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I can't edit an SVG file on my PC. I suggest you create a new version, maybe called "Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County 2.svg" and upload that with the correct text. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 19:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Baseball Bugs: File:Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County.svg is used in dozens of wikis and should be fixed. SVG files are just text files. You can right-click the file on your PC, select open with and pick a text editor like Notepad, maybe after choose another app. Or temporarily rename it to a txt ending and doubleclick it. id="Iowa" is only a few lines in. I will make a Commons request if nobody fixes it within a day. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I've updated it but I don't think that actually fixes it. It seems like these SVGs were poorly coded and for some reason Commons just previously rendered them fine? Ugh. Elli (talk | contribs) 22:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Elli: It looks like you are right. Another county File:Map of Iowa highlighting Wayne County.svg displays correctly for me on the file page and in Wayne County, Iowa. I tried to diplay it here at one of the common sizes 250px which is probably cached, and two rare sizes 245px and 255px which probably have to be generated for my request. Both of them only display the county for me and not the borders of all the other counties. I don't know how to fix this. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

The MediaWiki rendering of File:Map of Iowa highlighting Iowa County.svg has apparently also changed. That helps explain why so many wikis have used the image which worked previously. The Internet Archive cached our infobox version 9 October 2023 where it worked: https://web.archive.org/web/20231009213517im_/https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Map_of_Iowa_highlighting_Iowa_County.svg/300px-Map_of_Iowa_highlighting_Iowa_County.svg.png. The same url now fails: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f5/Map_of_Iowa_highlighting_Iowa_County.svg/300px-Map_of_Iowa_highlighting_Iowa_County.svg.png. The uploaded file had not been changed since the 2006 upload. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:48, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

It looks like the issue is the clip-path in the SVG is improper, and at some point the handling of it changed. The clip-path seems to care only about it's valid first descendants [1], so the <path> inside of the <g> that defines the state is ignored. Loading the file up in an older browser, it seems use the nested path anyway, so I suppose this was "fixed" at some point, breaking these images?

Unwrapping the path and changing the path ID to "state_outline" produces the correct graphic. WelpThatWorked (talk) 14:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia

Can I publish my own articles, educational, news etc. on Wiki? 49.14.113.224 (talk) 05:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a publisher of original thought. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 05:16, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Any acceptable new article on Wikipedia must be about a notable topic, and must comply with the three core content policies of Verifiability, the Neutral point of view and No original research. Read Your first article for more information. Cullen328 (talk) 07:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Thus your draft Draft:Secret of love can never be accepted as an article because it is your original thought. David notMD (talk) 13:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

No tables of contents

ikipedia is not loading any tables of contents in Vector 2022. Tables of contents ork properly in other (nonMF) ikis using Vector 2010 or timeless. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I see the table of contents in the left-hand pane. It's no longer beneath the lead section like I was accustomed to seeing for many years. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:10, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no left hand pane. I only see a small hite space beteen the content and the edge of the broser indo. I am using firefox. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

For me it's visible only when I click the bulletted hamburger menu next to the article title, which IMO isn't obvious at at all. -- D'n'B-t -- 06:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I do not see the table of contents in the "hamburger" menu (or in the ... menu right of the login buttons). There is a "Contents" link, but it leads to a page in project space. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the eird typing, my W key (had to copy paste that) is broken. 2600:100F:B1B8:6A5C:AD77:1C03:8F70:72E4 (talk) 06:55, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't know if this helps, but just to say that there are two different 'hamburger menus', one for the Wikipedia main menu, the other for the page contents menu. Both can be independently of each other toggled between the hamburger and the left panel. When hamburgers, the main menu goes to the extreme top-left corner next to the Wikipedia logo, whereas the contents menu goes to the left of the page title. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 09:14, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

To expand on DoubleGrazing's answer, the dropdown button for the table of contents is that is located next to the page title, and the dropdown button for the main menu is in the top-left corner of the page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:53, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I see no menu or dropdown button next to any page's title. 174.247.177.199 (talk) 16:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

By default for unregistered editors the table of contents is expanded in the left margin. I checked using Chrome and don't see any problems there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: Perhaps this is a bug? Should a bug report be filed wherever those are? (I am the same person as both previous IPs in this thread) 174.247.177.220 (talk) 17:11, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

You might be able to receive further assistance at the technical village pump, but try to give details as to what sort of device and browser you're using. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Request for adding < span >

Can you add span to this please? thanks! Snipertron12 Talk Snipertron12 [|User|Talk|Cont|] 09:28, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Snipertron2. What is the "this" that you are wanting to add an empty HTML tag to? Please explain more clearly. ColinFine (talk) 09:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I guess you refer to your signature but I'm, not sure how you want it to look. [[User:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">'''Snipertron12'''</span>]] [[User talk:Snipertron12|<span style="color:#296dff">''Talk''</span>]] produces Snipertron12 Talk. Is that what you want? PrimeHunter (talk) 09:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes! Thank you!! Snipertron12 [|User|Talk|Cont|] 09:49, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Speedy Delete

My article was deleted to have promoted another article. How do I avoid these things? George K. Opoku (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello. Please read the postings on your user page, and the polices linked to therein, carefully. In short, you shouldn't write about yourself. 331dot (talk) 12:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Piccadilly

Im trying to protect this page from getting deleted. I created this board as a way to get attention for some articles for example Teto Kasane. How can i defend this right? I WILL BE ACTIVE IN 3 HOURS TO CONTINUE DEFENDING WPPICADILLY. Snipertron12 Talk 12:31, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no "right". You can defend the page via policy/guideline-based argument at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Piccadilly. (Tip: The more you capitalize, the less persuasive you are.) -- Hoary (talk) 13:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Snipertron12 I hope you realize that there are 6.8 million articles in Wikipedia, the vast majority of which need attention. You have flagged only one of those. Shantavira|^{feed me} 14:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Wanting to draw attention to an article you have contributed to is not what Wikipedia is about. David notMD (talk) 14:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Im only accepting requests for new articles however - currently, there are no supporters for WPPicadilly so I can not take any requests. Snipertron12 Talk 18:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Expect Wikipedia:Piccadilly to be deleted. David notMD (talk) 18:37, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps instead of creating a page to draw attention to an article like Kasane Teto, it would've been better off to work on improving that particular article to more clearly establish the subject's Wikipedia notability per Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) and WP:GNG. I've got a feeling that as soon as the "Wikipedia:Piccadily" page has been dealt with, many of those who participated in that MfD discussion are going to shift their focus to the Teto article, and it's likely going to end up being draftified or nominated for deletion. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

YouTube time stamp

Quick question: I have used the YouTube Time Stamp template in my sandbox here: User:Maineartists/sandbox (reference 5 & 6) "... or maybe I'll just teach you how to make soup."[5][6] But whenever I click on the link, it does not bring me to the correct time stamp. Is it because it is in my sandbox? or perhaps because my computer is bringing me to a previous history save? Thanks in advance. Maineartists (talk) 13:19, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

You've specified time twice, once in the link, and once in the template parameter, so it is obeying the first one given (the one in the link). Removing the &t=XXs segment from each reference link should get the behavior you want. WelpThatWorked ([[User talk:Video on YouTube|talk]]) 13:39, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I just tested that and removing the time segment from the link results in the video starting at the beginning. The fix is to change the time segment in the URL to match the timestamp where you want it to open (in seconds). For example, the 2d url, change the seconds in the url to 1224 and the video opens at her closing "soup" statement. Schazjmd (talk) 13:42, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Schazjmd! Maineartists (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

WelpThatWorked gave the correct solution.

{{YouTube|id=zkl421Nug1s|time=20m24s}} produces: Video on YouTube

{{YouTube|id=zkl421Nug1s&t=20m24s}} produces: Video on YouTube

The result is currently identical with the way the template is coded and YouTube parameters work but but that may not always be the case. The id parameter of {{YouTube}} is only meant for the video id. The time is not part of the id so use the first version. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

want to be posted

 Courtesy link: Draft:Four Corners (Outdoor Game)

i made an article and it got declined because i had no refrences i added refrences and i have still not got any further infromation SaxorTheGreat (talk) 13:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@SaxorTheGreat: Welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like you've resubmitted your draft, but looking at it I can tell it's going to be declined. There are no inline citations, and you're referencing the homepages of a school board's website, which definitely do not establish wikinotability for your subject. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Reviews may take 3 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order. However Draft:Four Corners (Outdoor Game) is not going to be accepted because it does not have any sources that directly Suppory the content of the article, let alone reliable, independent or significant coverage. Some guidance relevant to this article may be found at WP:MADEUP. -- D'n'B-t -- 14:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi SaxorTheGreat, besides what Tenryuu said, it appears that an article already exists for the Four Corners outdoor game. Your title may be useful as a redirect but otherwise it would only become a duplicate and eventually be merged anyways.

See here: Four corners (game)

I hope this helps. Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 07:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I want to publish an article. Does the content meet Wikipedia's guidelines?

Founded in 1996, Premium Guard Inc. (PGI) specializes in oil, air, cabin, fuel, and transmission filters in the aftermarket automotive filtration industry. PGI has expanded its offerings to include heavy-duty, power sports, and specialty automotive applications, delivering a comprehensive service solution. Currently, several brands fall under Premium Guard Inc.’s umbrella:

• PUREFLOW®
• HIGHFLOW®
• PWR Steer®
• Silblade®
• ECOGARD®
• Premium Guard®
• Interfil®

== References:[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ambuj0070/sandbox&action=edit&section=2 edit source]] == # [https://www.aftermarketnews.com/premium-guard-launches-three-new-websites/ Aftermarket News] # [https://www.autoserviceworld.com/premium-guard-acquires-auto-7/ Auto Service World] # [https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/premium-guard-inc-introduces-innovative-new-cabin-air-freshener-for-cars-301506953.html PR Newswire] # [https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20201102005683/en/Premium-Guard-Inc.-Acquires-Global-Aftermarket-Filters-Business-from-Tenneco Businesswire] == External Links:[[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ambuj0070/sandbox&action=edit&section=3 edit source]] == [https://premiumguard.com/ Official Website]

Please check the above content and let me know all the references & the above content meeting the Wikipedia guidelines or not. Ambuj0070 (talk) 14:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Definitely not. It cites no sources at all, let alone reliable independent sources with extensive discussion of the subject, such as are required to estblish that the subject is notable enough to warrant a Wiipedia article. Maproom (talk) 15:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC). Maproom (talk) 15:03, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Furthermore, as a draft on the verge of spamvert, it wouldn't even pass AFC. Please read WP:Your first article and WP:NCOMPANY to find out what this project expects of such topics. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 21:01, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

PRNewsWire and BusinessWire are both just places to post press releases - so they'll only ever be as useful a source as a company's own website. AfterMarketNews and AutoserviceWorld are trade magazines that probably do some of their own journalism, but in this case have also just reprinted a press release (this isn't uncommon in trade magazines, it's understood that they need some copy to space out the ads). So no, none of these source are significant, independent or reliable. Do you think that this company is notable enough to warrant a wikipedia article? Why did you chose it to write about? -- D'n'B-t -- 07:17, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Making an article for Deji Olatunji- requires administrator privileges!

Hi!

I have been trying to make an article for Deji Olatunji, who has in my opinion achieved notability several times over since his article was deleted/redirected to KSI's wikipedia article in 2015. The redirect page is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Deji_Olatunji&redirect=no

When trying to edit the redirect, you are informed that administrators are the only ones that can edit the redirect. I am unsure why that is the case.

A second problem I am facing. When you type in "Deji" and go to the disambiguation page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deji, the article redirect is now pointing at a notable fight he was a part of rather than at KSI! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floyd_Mayweather_Jr._vs_Deji which is not only confusing but I think also highlights the need for his article to be created, if there is no consensus on a redirect location and if he has taken part in a clearly notable fight!

Please get back to me quickly. How do I find an admin when I need one?Spiralwidget (talk) 14:51, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

It looks like the redirect page is protected because of several instances of a poor quality article being created. And a consensus being established that the article could only be created via AfC. There's a draft at Draft:Deji Olatunji that you'd be free to work on and submit when you think it's ready. But I'd maybe read all the comments on the draft and this discussion before proceeding. You won't need an admin for any of that, only accepting the submitted draft would require elevated privileges. -- D'n'B-t -- 15:22, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

You can look at Category:Wikipedia administrators. I am one, for example. However, an administrator likely wouldn't edit in your behalf. An administrator can move the draft over the protected redirect, but only after a reviewer agrees that it's ready for publication. ~Anachronist (talk) 02:38, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

renaming from sergey to serhii

suddenly my renaming from sergey to serhii in dedicated serhii bubka wiki page was canceled saying "changes did not appear constructive". someone please explain what should i do with that, because by that time person's name mistakenly continue to be sergey 159.224.197.118 (talk) 16:02, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

related page: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Bubka 159.224.197.118 (talk) 16:04, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. Your edit to Sergey Bubka certainly isn't vandalism, and perhaps Robertjamal12 would explain why they reverted the edit and described it as vandalism?

However, the edit is a bit problematic, because our policy WP:COMMONNAME says that we should use the name most used in reliable English-language sources, and I see that (unsurprisingly) only the more recent sources transliterate his name as Ukrainian rather than Russian.

I suggest you open a discussion on Talk:Sergey Bubka, and try to get consensus to change the name (and move the article to Serhii Bubka, which is currently a redirect). ColinFine (talk) 17:05, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

This was proposed and declined back in 2017. at the time, the Edit summary was "GuzzyG moved page Serhii Bubka to Sergey Bubka over redirect: It's the proper spelling, yes, but this move has been discussed and failed. All the english sources describe him as "Sergey" and he himself uses it on his own official website, thus..." While his website no longer exists (?), most of the search results use "Sergey". David notMD (talk) 17:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

What was up with infoboxes yesterday?

I saw they were stuck in a mobile-esque view for most of yesterday but are reverted now. Was it some sort of technical issue or is Wikimedia testing out another style change? Krisgabwoosh (talk) 17:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

@Krisgabwoosh: see Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Thursday_13_June_style_changes and especially Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Friday_message_from_the_Web_team DuncanHill (talk) 17:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

It appears unintentional, yes. See Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Thursday_13_June_style_changes for more complete coverage and phab links. Also maybe WP:THURSDAY for future reference. WelpThatWorked (talk) 17:27, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

I asked about unclaimed Bank accounts, were there any answers

about 3 months ago I asked about unclaimed Bank accounts, any answers Jamiesonandy (talk) 18:12, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello Jamiesonandy. Your question was repsonded to here. It remains that the Teahouse is for questions about editing Wikipedia, which yours was not. -- D'n'B-t -- 18:35, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

 Note: OP indefinitely blocked for being not here to build an encyclopedia. '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 09:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

How to edit a hidden citation

I'm a new volunteer and I thought I'd help by fixing bare URLs. There are two on the page of Princess Margriet of the Netherlands. I can identify the people in the photos, but I don't have access to the citations in the Visual Editor to do so. I found them in the Source Editor, but don't know the proper codes to use to edit them there. I'd prefer to use the Visual Editor, if possible. Please advise me.

Wintilde (talk) 18:18, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wintilde, welcome to the Teahouse. You could use the source editor to temporarily remove {{Div col}} below the "Foreign honours" heading. Then VisualEditor works normally on the following content. Restore {{Div col}} before saving. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:46, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

That worked! Thank you. Wintilde (talk) 12:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Re-use citation template with modification

I have a reference using a template like ref name=example {cite web |etc} /ref. I would like to reference it again elsewhere in the article, but append a modification to the template like ref name=example {quote blah} /ref. Is this possible? Thanks Tule-hog (talk) 18:41, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

We have a thorough guide on referencing here: Wikipedia:REFNAME. Ruslik_Zero 20:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

thanks, i found what i needed with the helpful {{r}} template mentioned on that page; my immediate use case was here. Tule-hog (talk) 20:40, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Is this photo in the public domain?

I found a photo of a magazine on eBay that happened to be the title page of a certain short story when it was first published. The magazine was published in the US before 1929, so it's clearly in the public domain (in my opinion). However, I'm not sure if the seller or eBay owns the copyright to this photo. Could this be considered "a mere 'record' photograph of a 2D work of art"? CyanWisp (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, CyanWisp. Neither the seller nor eBay can own a copyright that has expired. I agree with you that the image is now in the public domain.Cullen328 (talk) 18:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind reply! CyanWisp (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

consensus

Hi!

How many editors in agreement does it take to reach the standards of WP:CON?

Thanks, ^Pingy/_Pongy 19:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

There is no specific threshold for something to be in consensus, the aim is just to find the solution which best addresses the sometimes-opposing concerns of all editors (or the closest we can manage). If only one editor is working on an article, then (for the time being) they have a consensus with just one editor. WelpThatWorked (talk) 19:57, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Does it look like I reached consensus here? Thanks, ^Pingy/_Pongy 19:59, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Sure, if anything I'd say you're being excessively cautious. Like it says in WP:CON, you can establish a new consensus through editing, not just discussion. If you're worried about making a mistake, don't be, reverts are cheap, so there's no real way to break things permanently. WelpThatWorked (talk) 20:09, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Noted. Thanks for the help, ^Pingy/_Pongy 20:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

MarketScreener

Hi Do you think MarketScreener is a good source for citations? Seems to keep pretty much up to date. Also they do not plagiarize from Wikipedia. Thanks Malevan (talk) 20:08, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

You can ask at Reliable Sources Noticeboard if you'd like it to be looked at in depth. But my two minute assesment is: I looked at a few random articles from marketscreener.com's home page and while they're mostly repostings from Reuters, surrounded by stock tickers and ads, there is some original content that might be useful. I wouldn't mind using it specifically for citing things within the field of stocks and shares, so long as it's not about themselves, "Surperformance SAS" or "Factset, Morningstar and S&P Capital IQ". Whatever those are. (Not related to reliability: It's fustrating how the registration wall comes up very quickly, but it's no higher than a 12ft lader so the site is useable, if kinda ugly). -- D'n'B-t -- 20:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

IP address issue

I really don't know what I'm doing here, so apologies if this an inappropriate forum for my inquiry. I only made an account because of an alert I received that some of "my" edits - associated with my IP address - had been undone, edits regarding a personage hitherto unknown to me ("Sedat Peker"). The edits are not the issue. The issue is why my IP address was associated with these edits. Is there any way I can avoid this happening again? Will the creation of a user account do the trick? Thank you to anyone who can help. Gumptiousconscience (talk) 23:47, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Gumptiousconscience, welcome to the Teahouse. See MediaWiki:Sp-contributions-footer-anon which was probably displayed at the bottom of the page if you clicked the alert. It says: "Many IP addresses change periodically, and are often shared by several users." You cannot prevent others from using an IP address but if you are logged in then you should not get alerts about it. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:56, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Inaccurate reference numbers

I recently created an article, Sivananda Sena, in which I added a note stating his birthplace is disputed by historians. I provided two different references suggesting two different places of birth, and included the respective reference numbers along with each. Later, after the edit was published, the reference numbers, despite the digits remaining the same, started alluding to different references, and not the ones I originally intended as citations for the claims. I tried fixing this issue twice but in vain. How do I solve this problem? Dissoxciate (talk) 00:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Dissoxciate. Does [2] give what you want? I suspect you tried to look at the displayed reference numbers in the rendered article. Never do that when editing. They are generated automatically after saving and cannot be used to make references. When you use ref name="...", you have to match another ref name="..." in the source text of the page. The name in ... can be almost anything, e.g. an author name, but VisualEditor makes a lot of ref names like ":4". That does not refer to the reference with number 4 in the rendered article. A ref name is only used to refer to the same reference multiple times. The source text said: <ref name=":4">{{Cite book |last=Stewart |first=Tony K. |title=The Final Word: The Caitanya Caritamrita and the Grammar of Religious Tradition |publisher=Oxford University Press |year=2010 |isbn=9780199889372 |location=USA |pages=377 |language=en}}</ref>. I therefore referred to that reference with <ref name=":4" />. I use the source editor and don't know how to do it in VisualEditor. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello PrimeHunter, thankyou for the response! Yes, that's exactly it. Thanks for your help. I generally prefer VisualEditor for editing, except in select cases; hence went with the same for this edit as well. I did indeed look at the displayed reference numbers in the rendered article, and included the numbers that I thought the requisite references were assigned. My bad. I'll keep this in mind the next time. Thanks for the heads-up! Dissoxciate (talk) 12:12, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@Dissoxciate: Ref names are not visible to readers so they don't have to be meaningful but the numbered ref names made by VisualEditor annoy many editors. If you want to make it more editor friendly then you could change them to something useful like the author or work, e.g. ref name="Stewart". If you do this then remember to change every occurrence of the ref name. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Noted. Dissoxciate (talk) 12:35, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Reliable sources and "blogs"

I have a quick question regarding reliability. Does "self-published" as a detriment to reliability count if it comes from a library? I am trying to write about Mundelein, Illinois, and the most comprehensive history is a blog series published by a librarian from the Cook Memorial Public Library District here.I currently have it in the further reading, and I am wondering if this is an acceptable source for the "history" section that needs expansion on the article.

P.S. where can I find a "reliable source" for roads inside a city that doesn't count as "original research"? And what are some great sources for finding about towns besides local newspapers? Thank you! SeymourHolcomb (talk) 02:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @SeymourHolcomb: from your description, a blog like that (by a writer representing, at least unofficially, a reputable organisation, rather than just someone's own private ramblings) is probably reliable enough to support at least non-contentious factual information, ie. matters of historical record, descriptions of geography and environment, that sort of thing. But as we often say, the wilder the claim, the better the source needed to support it. So if this librarian says Mundelein was founded by aliens from planet Zurg, we would need independent verification of that; and if they say Mundelein is the greatest place in the world to live... well, that's just opinion, and not worth the paper it's not printed on. HTH, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

How to Delete a Citation on VisualEditor?

As indicated in the heading above, what do I have to do to delete a numbered citation in my draft? I can't seem to find the function for that in the guide :(.

Thanking you in advance for your help!

Warmest regards,

Eleni Eleniofillyria (talk) 05:29, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@Eleniofillyria: Welcome to the Teahouse. While using the visual editor, you can click on the citation and just press Del or ← Backspace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:18, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Page merges - pending for long time

I want to bring to your attention an issue that has been annoying me for some time, but I don't know how to handle it myself. This relates to the birds of New Zealand.

I need to find someone with a good understanding of the relevant science to perform these merges without introducing errors, and is willing to apply WP:BOLD. Please consider helping if this sounds like a good fit for you.

Talk:Little_penguin: Merge discussion opened August 2023, closed with result of merge April 2024. As of today, the actual merge hasn't happened yet.The taxonomy is nuanced, as discussed in the merge discussion.

Talk:Yellow-eyed penguin: Merge discussion opened October 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened.

Talk:New Zealand raven: Merge discussion opened November 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened.

Talk:Xenicus: Merge discussion opened November 2023. I believe that the result is a merge consensus, but the discussion hasn't closed yet and the merge hasn't happened.

Columbianmammoth (talk) 06:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello, Columnbianmammoth, and welcome to the Teahouse. If you don't find anybody here, you might try asking at WT:WikiProject Birds. ColinFine (talk) 14:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Draft:Stephan Schultze general feedback + specific question

Hello! I just submitted Draft:Stephan Schultze for review, but I want to make any improvements that I can even though it's been submitted. It's my first draft submission and I'm also fairly new to wikipedia editing. I've gotten it as close as I can to the Wikipedia guidelines, do you guys see anything I should fix or could improve? I'm just one person trying to evaluate my own writing so a second set of eyes would be immensely helpful in identifying any issues. I also have a specific question but I am especially looking for general feedback/identifying issues I haven't spotted.

Additionally, one of the main sources I referenced for the subheading Zaki Gordon Institute for Independent Filmmaking is a blog/news website run by one person. However, the author cites existing news articles for everything that I've used-- his website appears to be a self-published news outlet for news specifically relating to Yavapai College, which is where ZGI was located. Many of the news articles are not available to me directly since they are cited for the print version in Sedona AZ and I am located.. nowhere near there. I didn't realize that the site was run by 1 person until after I had written much of the segment. Do you think the site is reliable enough for use, or should I rewrite the section to stand without referencing the site?

Thank you all, I look forward to hearing back. Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 07:42, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I have declined the draft because of it's heavy reliance on WP:IMDB which is not a reliable source because it is user edited, please remove/replace. Theroadislong (talk) 07:51, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Will do! Most of the information besides filmography can be confirmed elsewhere anyways. Is there anything else i should change while I'm at it, before resubmitting? Thank you so much! Iloveschiaparelli (talk) 08:39, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Father of Management

Peter Drucker 49.36.71.141 (talk) 08:04, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

That isn't really a question about editing Wikipedia. Do you have one in mind? '''[[User:CanonNi]]''' (talk • contribs) 08:07, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP 49.36.71.141. Are you trying to ask a question about the Wikipedia article Peter Drucker? -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Soliciting payment

Well it sort of is. Because if people’s articles are being rejected and then admin folk from wiki are going through those articles and approaching people in the public eye to get money from them to secure their page, that’s a problem. Where can I report this? BeacHal1 (talk) 08:44, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

BeacHal1, which "admin folk from wiki" are "approaching people in the public eye to get money from them to secure their page", and what evidence do you have for this? -- Hoary (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@BeacHal1: I believe you've mixed up two unrelated Teahouse threads. The discussion you started is right below this one. CanonNi's was asking the IP 49.36.71.141 who started the discussion above this one a question, not you. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:53, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Heading

Hi Teahouse folk,

I’ve been waiting for my recent article to be approved after a slightly harsh assessment that I did t have enough inline citations. And then the assessor stepped off before I could rectify leaving the article in a resubmission holding pen! However, the person the article was about reached out recently to say that someone had offered to get it published for money! Can you let me know why this is happening? Seems very dodgy. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:33, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

You're right to be suspicious, as nobody can get your draft published for money. Please see WP:SCAM. The assessment was not harsh. Everything in a Wikipedia article needs to be cited to a reliable source. Please read WP:YFA. Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I was told it was harsh last time I talked to teahouse because my citations were okay in the original. Obviously I’ve improved them a lot now. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:46, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi @BeacHal1: RE your comment "the person the article was about reached out recently", it sounds like you have some sort of an external relationship with this person. I will post a conflict-of-interest query on your talk page, please read and respond to it. Thanks, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:49, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Not really. It’s the poetry scene in London and I’ve been trying to redress the balance of writers and poets on wiki BeacHal1 (talk) 08:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@BeacHal1: if the person you're writing about knows that you're writing about them and knows how to get hold of you to discuss the matter, then I'd say those are pretty clear signs of an external relationship. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 08:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

They didn’t know. But I know someone who knows them and they guessed it was me doing it. BeacHal1 (talk) 09:00, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

I’m just trying to do good things on here. Not in it for any other reason. Just want to create articles about people that are underrepresented and don’t have PR or pay marketeers to do it. BeacHal1 (talk) 09:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Also, why would you turn the tables on me when I’m clearly trying to do good and not do things for money…!? BeacHal1 (talk) 08:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I’ve copied that email address and will pass it on. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:50, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi BeacHal1.

You're right, it is dodgy! You can read WP:SCAM for more info but basically, scammers look out for recently declined drafts and approach the subjects to solicit money. They will sometimes try to subvert the approvals process or just take the money and run. You can report this to paid-en-wpwikipedia.org, but as they have no connection with Wikipedia, there's only so much that can be done. If its identified as someone with a Wikipedia account then obviously they'll be banned. It's unfortunate, but the public nature of Wikipedia's editing process does mean that it gets targeted by bad actors.

Most importantly, don't give anyone any money. If you follow through the AfC process then your article will get reviewed again, and when it's ready it'll get aproved. -- D'n'B-t -- 08:52, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I appreciate that. I’ll try and pass all this on. BeacHal1 (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much. I truly appreciate it. Great name btw! BeacHal1 (talk) 09:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

1968 USA Olympics Basketball Team

1968 USA Olympics Basketball Team has Jim King from Akron OH, his name is James King a 1961 gradute of J.S. Clark HS in New Orleans, LA not Akron, OH 2600:6C63:447F:301:851E:798A:160D:43D (talk) 09:40, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, can you provide a source for this change? -- D'n'B-t -- 10:20, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

The articles in question are 1968 United States men's Olympic basketball team and Jim King (basketball, born 1943). His formal name of James is consistent with his article, which also uses his common name of Jim. If that is how most sources refer to him, then it would be appropriate to keep it that way. The place of birth there is shown as Akron, but with "citation needed".--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:01, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Is there any way to speed up the review of the draft?

Hi, I submitted Draft:Wat Paknam Japan about a month ago. I understand that review takes time, but as far as page views are concerned, hardly anyone has seen it, which makes me a little nervous.

This article is my translation of the Japanese version of the article I wrote, which was selected for the top page in the Japanese version as kyouka-kiji(enhanced article, similar to DYK5X), so I do not see any major problems with the structure of the article.

If comments are made on the article, I am prepared to respond to them, but so far I have received no comments.

I may have to wait and see, but is there anything I can do? 狄の用務員 (talk) 11:03, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

@狄の用務員: Welcome to the Teahouse. It looks like it was accepted by Theroadislong just recently. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:22, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

The draft has been published, but I would appreciate continued advice and clarification (if there is another appropriate place, please direct me to it).

I have removed one of the points made, the section on access. However, the other point, "promotional," is one part I understand and one part I don't. There are a few parts of the deleted section that do not seem to be promotional, and yet seem to be valuable information.

Before I go any further, let me clarify my position: I am a non-religious person and have no vested interest in this institution. Also, the University of Tsukuba paper that forms the core of this article is an architectural thesis and probably has no vested interest in this facility.

I see some people may feel that the flow of worship is unnecessary, but I think it is exceptional for a Thai temple because it incorporates a way of worship that is rooted in Japanese ideas, even though it is a facility for Thai people. The source of this method of worship is a paper, and I guess it was described in the paper because the researcher thought it was worthy of special mention.

As for Differences from Thai Temples, I think it is one of the most distinctive sentences in the paper, showing how Thai culture has changed to adapt to Japan. I have no idea what in the world is promotional about this section. I really don't understand this and would appreciate if someone could elaborate on this if possible.

I am also not sure why the statement regarding the relationship with the community was removed. When a new religious institution from a different culture is established, it is not uncommon for it to cause friction with the local community, and information about its relationship with the community would be useful. The fact that the local government introduced a poem composed by a citizen to the local community also gives us some insight into the relationship between the facility and the community.

The fact that the information about fulfilling the requirements for receiving the precepts by the five monks was removed also does not make sense to me. I personally consider the point that whether or not an organization can clone itself to be of mortal importance. I have no idea what is advertised about this statement either and would appreciate an explanation if possible.

Hello, 狄の用務員. The Teahouse is not an appropriate place to discuss the content of an article: that should be done on the article's talk page, possibly notifying an appropriate WikiProject if there seems to be a need to involve more editors. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Reference for a library collection

I need to create a reference a library collection on the individual that I am writing about. Smith Library papers, SSC-MS-00282, Sophia Smith Collection,Mary Conway Kohler papers. Smith College, Northampton, MA: Open full Biographical Note. Henrybardklein (talk) 13:14, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hi Henrybardklein. Use of citation templates like {{Cite}} is not mandatory. You can hand-write a citation by placing anything inside <ref>...</ref>. If SSC-MS-00282 is a designation for a collection of papers then try to make it clear which paper it's about. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:27, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Abandoned Draft.

Hello. Last year, I was in the process of drafting a Wikipedia page for William Graham Sumner's masterwork Folkways: A Study of the Sociological Importance of Usages, Manners, Customs, Mores, and Morals. I abandoned the draft; and, I suppose, after several months of desuetude it was deleted.

I'd like to get back to working on it (the desideratum being from that actual draft I had composed). Is this request of mine practicable? Or do I have to start from scratch? I'm sure there's a record of it somewhere. (is anything really lost on Wikipedia?)

God Bless. SpicyMemes123 (talk) 15:15, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Hello @SpicyMemes123 and welcome to the Teahouse. You can usually get an abandoned draft back. Please see WP:REFUND for instructions. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:19, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank You for the information! I'll try my best to get the draft back! SpicyMemes123 (talk) 15:23, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

Bucolic War

I'm currently working on creating my first article here, about the Bucolic War between Egyptian herdsmen and Roman authorities, as I noticed that Isidorus has a red link for the Bucolic War. However, I also noticed that the article for Isidorus goes into great detail about the Bucolic War, perhaps rendering a whole article about the war unnecessary. I'm unsure what to do here since I'm still quite new to editing. Should I continue to work on my article? Should I stop and try to create an article about something else? Should I try to split the article about Isidorus? Zemmiphobia007 (talk) 16:36, 15 June 2024 (UTC)

It may still be worthwhile to keep working on your article. Isidorus doesn't provide as much detail as a full Bucolic War could and should provide, plus an article titled "Bucolic War" is a more likely target for someone who is looking for specific information on that event. It's also listed in List of peasant revolts. Reconrabbit 16:55, 15 June 2024 (UTC)