Talk:Seven Second Summits

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Has anyone actually completed this list, or even seriously attempted it? I don't know of anyone who has stated this as a goal. If possible, the article should say one way or the other. -- Spireguy (talk) 18:09, 3 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You know, now that I look more carefully at this page, it seems that the unique source of the list is Peak Bagger. The only other source that mentions the idea of grouping these summits together at all is Into Thin Air---did Krakauer actually specifically list them all? My point is that the paucity of reliable sources addressing this topic specifically calls the notability of the topic into question. Without more sources, should the article remain? I'm not going to request deletion, but I do want to call this to people's attention. -- Spireguy (talk) 01:25, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With today's news that Christian Stangl has summited K2, he's very close to be the first to climb all Seven Second Summits. Only Mount Tyree in Antarctica remains - which Stangl is scheduled to climb in November. See his website http://www.skyrunning.at/ Cl2kliss (talk) 16:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He has since admitted that his claim of summitting K2 was false and he has yet to climb Mount Tyree. However, since someone is actually trying to accomplish this feat, I would say this supports, and I recommend, keeping the article. Racerx11 (talk) 03:57, 12 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List may be incorrect[edit]

The thorough people at peaklist.org consider Puncak Mandala (aka Juliana Peak) to be 4760 m high, rather than the 4701 m given in our wikipedia article. This would make it loftier than Puncak Trikora (aka Mt Wilhelmina), in wikipedia listed as 7450 m. Peaklist's estimate is based on (enhanced) SRTM data, which (unenhanced) shows in for example google terrain view. Click your way to the closest terrain view of those two peaks (I've corrected the coordinates on both sites) and you'll see that the highest contours around the old queen's peak (Trikura) are only 4680 m and those around the younger queen's peak (Mandala) are 4720 m. Unless a peak is a spire, the contours tend to be on average 40 m below the summit. Trikura doesn't look very sharp, and it may be only around 4720 rather than the advertised 4750 m. Mandala is more isolated and harder to approach (it will take a few weeks) than Trikura, so this may not be welcome news for would be second summit ascenders. Check for example here for an account on how hard it is to get to Mandala; this site also lists reasonable heights of 4760 m for Mandala and 4730 for Trikura (the climber planned to climb both). Afasmit (talk) 00:47, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Mandala site above is part of the "Gunung Bagging" site, which has a list of highest >1000 m prominent mountains in Indonesia, where Mandala indeed appears above Trikora. Afasmit (talk) 23:00, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Peakbagger.com also lists it at 4760 m [1] so you may be on to something. I for one would support the change if you want to move that direction. I dont know if you want get more sources confirming it, maybe get another opinion or two from other editors, or just go ahead and be bold and make the change and see if it sails. Either or is fine with me.--Racerx11 (talk) 02:51, 7 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I just ran across this [2] and this [3]. This puts another wrinkle into things eh?--Racerx11 (talk) 04:18, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually this may be nothing. This peak, Ngga Pulu, lies very close to Puncak Jaya, on the same ridge I think. Therfore it is likely it lacks significant prominence and may be just a subsidiary top. If so it can be ignored in a list such as this.--Racerx11 (talk) 04:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've created a List of highest mountains of New Guinea. Outrageous amount of work, but perhaps with the help of Viewfinder and other experts it can become the standard list for Australasia / Oceania, as he and I seem to have done with the list of highest mountains. In that case the "seven second summits" people will eventually follow suit ;-) Afasmit (talk) 10:54, 12 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Good work on the list! Very well done.--Racerx11 (talk) 01:42, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For information: I agree with the claim that Mandala is higher than Trikora although the evidence is not 100% conclusive. I am working a new DEM of Indonesia and New Guinea, bringing together the best information from SRTM, ASTER GDEM and topographic mapping. I will post it to my site in about a week. Summit lists may follow. Viewfinder (talk) 21:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]