Talk:Bianca Jagger

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This does need more content, not simply a redirect. I mean, her name is practically synonymous with Studio 54. Mike H 11:02, Dec 6, 2004 (UTC)

Sure! If you have information that justifies an independent article, than please add and it change the redirect to a simple link. As the article stands, her only claim to fame is being the ex-wife of a celebrity (information that was already in the original article.) Sander123 10:48, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

The redirect is a bad idea as it creates a loop in the Mick Jagger article. It would be better to delete the page then. RodC 23:04, 27 Dec 2004 (UTC). Update: I've put a little more info and restored the article. RodC

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Ethnicity

She is of Portuguese, Italian, Spanish and Aztec descent. Her ethnicity is not only Portuguese. And she is born 1950 not 1945. In one interview heard I that she is born 1950. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.252.42.205 (talk) 17:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC).

Bill Wyman says in his autobiography "Stone Alone" that Bianca was born in 1945!! Mick Jagger biographer Christopher Andersen also says 1945. jeanne (talk) 14:01, 26 April 2008 (UTC)Also the Aztecs were in Mexico not Nicaragua.She claims Indian ancestry and it's doubtless true, but it couldn't be Aztec.

Bianca Jagger was soooo not born in 1950. That would have made her barely 21 when she married Mick Jagger. Not only that, but she had already attended the Sorbonne and lived with Michael Caine. 21, I think not. Most accounts I have read put her birth year as 1945, which would make her a more realistic 25 when she married Mick.Kyhutch (talk) 17:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

This http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/18/AR2007101801683.html ( dated just short of a year ago) says she is sixty-two. So you are probably close on the date of birth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.191.157.40 (talk) 07:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Some possibly useful information

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In 1983, Bianca Jagger was awarded an Honorary Doctorate of Humanities degree by Stone Hill College in Massachusetts for “her work on behalf of human rights.”

In 1994, Bianca Jagger was awarded the United Nations Earth Day International Award for “her successful efforts to protect the livelihood of the indigenous peoples of Latin America, stopping the rain forest destruction in Nicaragua and Honduras.”

On February 29, 1996, Bianca Jagger received the Hispanic Federation of New York City’s Humanitarian Award “in recognition for her courageous engagement on issues of justice and human rights around the globe.”

On March 28, 1996, Bianca Jagger was named “1996 Woman of the Year by Boys Town of Italy for her “unswerving efforts on behalf of children’s rights from all parts of the world.”

On June 29, 1996, Bianca Jagger was the recipient of the Abolitionist of the Year Award presented to her on behalf of the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty for “her tireless efforts and heroic dedication in achieving clemency for Guinevere Garcia.”

On May 12, 1997, Bianca Jagger was the recipient of the Green Globe Award by the Rainforest Alliance for “her extraordinary conservation efforts and achievements over the past ten years.”

On September 23, 1997, Bianca Jagger was the recipient of Amnesty International USA Media Spotlight Award for Leadership. “In recognition for her work on behalf of human rights around the world, exposing and focusing attention on injustice.”

On November 1, 1997, Bianca Jagger was inducted to The Hall of Fame in Miami Children’s Hospital Foundation for “championing human rights and children’s causes around the globe.”

On November 15, 1998, Bianca Jagger was awarded The American Civil Liberties Union Award for her “passionate devotion to international human rights, opposition to capital punishment and the promotion of civil rights.”

On November 4, 2000, Bianca Jagger received a Champion of Justice Award for her work as “a steadfast and eloquent advocate for the elimination of the death penalty in America”.

On December 15, 2003 Bianca Jagger received the International Award from International Services for “Her Commitment to the Eradication of Human Rights Abuses.

On 16 December 2003 Bianca Jagger was appointed Council of Europe Goodwill Ambassador “For the Fight against the Death Penalty”

On June 9 2004 Bianca Jagger received the World Achievement Award from President Gorbachev for “Her Worldwide Commitment to Human Rights, Social and Economic Justice and Environmental Causes”

On December 9 Bianca Jagger received The Right Livelihood Award, known as The Alternative Nobel Prize in Stockholm for: Putting her celebrity at the service of the exploited and disadvantaged. The Jury recognizes “her long-standing commitment and dedicated campaigning over a wide range of issues of human rights, social justice and environmental protection, including the abolition of the death penalty, the prevention of child abuse, and the rights of indigenous peoples to the environment that supports them and the prevention and healing of armed conflicts.”

On October 28 2006 Bianca Jagger received The World Citizenship Award from The Nuclear Age Peace Foundation, previous recipients are Ted Turner, Queen Noor of Jordan, Harry Belafonte and the Mayors for Peace organisation headed by the mayors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

On November 12 2006 Bianca Jagger received the Office of the Americas Peace and Justice Award for 2006, “For her bravery, eloquence and strength of convictions”

More possibly useful information

I quote this here. It is the official biography of the subject of this article, offered to me with an interest in helping us improve the article:

Bianca Jagger is an International renowned Human rights advocated; she is the Council of Europe Goodwill Ambassador and Chair of the World Future Council? For approximately 25 years, Bianca Jagger, has campaigned for human rights, social and economic justice and environmental protection throughout the world.

Bianca Perez-Mora Macias was born in Managua Nicaragua in 1950, as a teenager, Ms Jagger observed the terror Somoza’s National Guard inflicted on the civilian population. She felt powerless since all she could do was participate in student demonstrations to protest against their massacres. From a young age she witnessed what John F Kennedy defined as the harshest “common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease and war”. In the mid-sixties she left her native country armed with a French Government scholarship to study Political Science in Paris.

In 1971, she married Mick Jagger. A year later she returned to Nicaragua to look for her parents after a devastating earthquake, which destroyed Managua, the capital, leaving a toll of more than 10,000 deaths and tens of thousands homeless. Although the country received millions of dollars of relief aid from the international community- including 60 million dollars from the US government - thousands were left without medical assistance, food or shelter. Instead, the funds ended up in President Anastasio Somoza’s private bank accounts. It was this ruthless act of pillage that eventually fuelled the Sandinista Revolution.

1979 was the year of her divorce. It coincided with the fall of Somoza. The Sandinistas succeeded in ousting the tyrant. Ms Jagger joined forces with the British Red Cross to raise funds for the victims of the conflict and flew to Nicaragua to join the International Red Cross and help on the ground.

Two years later, in 1981, Ms Jagger travelled to Central America, as part of a US Congressional fact-finding mission to visit Colomoncagua, a UN refugee camp in Honduran territory. During her visit an armed death squad marched across the border from El Salvador, entered the camp and rounded up about 40 refugees. They tied their thumbs behind their backs and proceeded to take them across the border to El Salvador, with the Honduran army’s blessing. Ms Jagger, the delegation, as well as the relief workers and the captives’ families decided to chase after them. They ran along a dry river bed for about half an hour, armed only with cameras, they took photographs during the chase. They all feared that the death squads were going to kill the refugees once they arrived in Salvadorian territory. Finally, they came within earshot; the death squad turned around, pointing their M-16's at them. They began to shout “you will have to kill us all” and “we will denounce your crime to the world". There was a long silence. Then, the death squads talked among themselves and without explanation, they turned around leaving the refugees behind. The refugees were released, unharmed.

This suspended moment in time was a turning point in Ms Jagger’s life. She realised the importance of being a witness when innocent people’s lives are at stake and how a small act of courage can save them and make a difference.

Upon her return to the US, Ms Jagger testified before The Congressional Subcommittee on Inter American Affairs, to bring attention to the atrocities committed by the Salvadoran government and its paramilitary forces with the complicity of the Honduran Government.

During the eighties, Ms Jagger began her long association with several international human rights organisations, most notably with Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch and the Washington Office for Latin America. She was awarded an honorary Humanities Degree by Stone Hill College, Massachusetts, in 1983 for her work on behalf of human rights in Latin America.

In the nineties, as part of her continuing human rights and environmental efforts, Ms. Jagger began her campaign on behalf of indigenous populations in Latin America, and her commitment to help save the tropical rain forests of the Western Hemisphere. Her efforts brought her to Nicaragua, Honduras, and Brazil. In 1991 her efforts proved instrumental in stopping a logging concession which would have endangered the Miskito Indians’ habitat on the Atlantic coast of Nicaragua. A few years later Ms Jagger petitioned the Brazilian Federation Courts to demarcate and protect the lands of the Guarani peoples of Brazil, and in 1994, participated in a similar effort to protect the Yanomami people of Northern Brazil from invasions of their lands by gold miners who polluted the water, causing many deaths among this ancient tribe. The Yanomami are often threatened by rich and unscrupulous land-owners who covet their land. In recognition for her efforts, she was presented the 1994 United Nations Earth Day International award. And in 1997, she was the recipient of the Green Globe award by the Rain Forest Alliance, “for her extraordinary conservation efforts and achievements over the past ten years”.

In 1993, Ms. Jagger travel to the former Yugoslavia to document the mass rape of Bosnian women by Serbian forces as part of a campaign of ethnic cleansing. In July 1995, the United Nations “safe area” of Srebrenica in Bosnia was overrun by Bosnian Serb troops. Some 8,000 civilians, virtually the entire male population, were systematically massacred. Since then, Ms. Jagger has been speaking on behalf of the survivors. For many years she campaigned to stop the genocide taking place in Bosnia and later to make the perpetrators accountable before the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY). She has testified on this issue before the Helsinki Commission on Human Rights, the United States Congressional Human Rights Caucus, the International Operations Subcommittee on Human Rights, and the British and European Parliaments. From 1993 to 1996, she evacuated 22 children out of Bosnia to receive medical care in the United States. She personally evacuated two gravely ill children, Sabina and Mohamed. Sadly Sabina did not survive the evacuation trip and died in Croatia. Mohamed underwent a successful heart operation in New York; he lived with Ms Jagger in the US for a year and then went back to Bosnia to be with his parents. She wrote a decisive essay J’accuse: the Betrayal of Srebrenica, a detailed account of the massacre of Srebrenica, which was published world-wide, among others by: The European, in the United Kingdom, Courier International and Juriste International in France and Panorama, in Italy.

In July 1998, Ms Jagger travel to Kosovo with a BBC crew from the program Newsnight. Their aim was to record war crimes perpetrated against the ethnic Albanians, or ‘Kosovars’, who lived in the province and constituted 90% of its population. Repression was the Kosovars daily reality at the time of Ms Jagger’s visit. Serbian military and paramilitary troops had been systematically uprooted them, destroying over 300 towns and villages in their wake. Over 2,500 ethnic Albanians were killed. Thousands had disappeared. Houses had been burned down and buildings had been gutted by fire, crops destroyed, livestock slaughtered. Serbs had systematically raped Kosovars women. Old people and children had been massacred.

Ms Jagger reported for Newsnight on a pattern of “apartheid” reminiscent of the darkest days of the war she had witnessed in Bosnia-Herzegovina: Serbian and Yugoslav security forces separating men from women and children throughout the province, just as they had done in Srebrenica. Most international organizations and foreign NGOs were withdrawing their staff for “security reasons”.

Ms Jagger went on to decry the plight of the Kosovars through several articles and lectures; she spoke at the House of Commons in the UK and the European Parliament.

She campaigned for the indictment and arrest of President Milosevic and continues to urge the arrest of General Mladic and Radovan Karadzic.

Her work on behalf of the countless victims of conflicts throughout the world, and her campaign to evacuate 22 terminally ill children from Bosnia, earned her several awards, among them Amnesty International/USA Media Spotlight Award for leadership “in recognition for her work on behalf of human rights around the world, exposing and focusing attention to injustice”.

In the mid-nineties, Ms Jagger began campaigning against the Death Penalty.

In 1996, Ms Jagger filed a clemency petition on behalf of Guinevere Garcia who had been sentenced to death in the state of Illinois, at the request of Amnesty International and the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty. Ms Jagger made a personal plea to Governor Jim Edgar to commute Guinevere Garcia’s death sentence even though she had waived her right to further appeals after the Illinois Supreme Court upheld their verdict. She fought for Guinevere Garcia’s life, because she believed the question was not whether her wish should be granted, but whether the state of Illinois was justified in carrying out her execution. Guinevere Garcia’s decision to accept her execution was entirely consistent with a pathology born from mental disorder and from physical and sexual abuse. Guinevere Garcia’s execution would have constituted nothing less than an act of state sponsored homicide. Ms Jagger’s petition called for an act of executive mercy. She gave countless speeches and interviews on the case, using her voice to speak on behalf of Guinevere Garcia. She filed a clemency petition before Governor Edgar and testified before the Penitentiary Review Board. A few hours before the scheduled execution, Governor Edgar announced that he had commuted Guinevere Garcia’s sentence to life imprisonment. Guinevere Garcia “thanked God” and her attorney stated “you could tell that a weight had been lifted from her shoulders”.

On 29 June 1996, Bianca Jagger was made recipient of the “Abolitionist of the Year Award” by the National Coalition to Abolish the Death Penalty for “her tireless efforts and heroic dedication in achieving clemency for Guinevere Garcia”.

Since then, Ms Jagger has campaigned on behalf of many capital punishment cases and she continues to campaign against the death penalty throughout the world.

In 1998, she fought in vain for the clemency of Sean Sellers and Karla Faye Tucker. Sean was the first person in forty years to be executed for a crime committed at age 16. Ms Jagger continues to urge for the US Government to shift its focus away from execution to “the prevention and treatment of sexual, physical and emotional abuse of children, in order to prevent them from succumbing to a life of crime”.

Karla Fay Tucker’s childhood had been one of abuse and forced prostitution. Karla never denied the atrocity of her crime. When Ms Jagger met her she was 38 and had spent 14 years behind bars. She was no longer the woman who had been sentenced to death in 1984; during her time in prison she underwent a remarkable transformation. She educated herself, became deeply religious and began ministering to others. Karla Fay Tucker was fully rehabilitated. She worked assiduously on the Scare-straight programme to help adolescent drug abusers. She no longer posed a threat to society. All appeals failed: Governor George Bush refused to grant clemency to Karla Fay Tucker and she was executed on 3 February 1998.

In light of these cases, Ms Jagger continues to this day to denounce the lack of meaningful appellate review in commutation proceedings. She continues to denounce the defendants’ poor access to executive clemency and the State’s lack of recognition for the defendant’s capacity for change, rehabilitation and remorse.

In June 2000, Ms Jagger travelled to Texas to meet with Gary Graham and plead on his behalf with Governor George W Bush. Gary Graham was 17, a minor when he was sentenced to death. He spent 19 years on Death Row for a crime he time and again denied to have committed. He was sentenced to die based on a sole eyewitness testimony. Evidence, subsequently uncovered, calls into serious question this witness identification. Six other witnesses signed affidavits stating that the killer was not Gary Graham. He could have been saved by The State Board of Pardons and Parole and yet they denied clemency. Gary Graham was executed on 22 June 2000. In his final words he proclaimed his innocence and the injustice of his sentence, “I am an innocent black man that is being murdered”, and “It is lynching what is taking place in America tonight”.

In November of that same year, Ms Jagger received a Champion of Justice Award for this very work, as a “steadfast and eloquent advocate for the elimination of the death penalty in America”. Her articles, lectures and press conferences on the subject continue to challenge a penal system that is unfair, arbitrary and capricious, and jurisprudence fraught with racial discrimination and judicial bias.

Ms Jagger has also been a strong advocate for Arms Control and Gun Control campaigns. She is committed to supporting women’s rights in the face of prejudice and domestic violence. Her work with former Manhattan Borough President Ruth Messinger was instrumental in establishing Iris House -- the East Harlem facility dedicated to providing health and social services to women, which has been a critical component of New York’s response to the AIDS crisis.

In May 2001 Ms Jagger travelled to Zambia, under the auspices of Christian Aid to document the devastating tragedy that has left more than 12 million children orphaned by the AIDS epidemic in the Sub-Sahara region. She launched Christian Aid’s report on the effect of HIV-AIDS in Africa, urging industrialised nations to fulfil the pledge they had made 30 years ago to donate 0.7% of their Gross National Product to the developing world. “Unless the Industrialized nations come to their rescue, HIV-AIDS will decimate the African Continent”

Bianca Jagger was in New York on September 11th, 2001. Three days after the terrorist attacks, she visited Ground Zero and paid public tribute to the firemen, policemen and rescue teams who had worked 24/7 to find life amid the rubble. She decried the attacks as crimes against humanity. She cautioned against revenge rather than justice and urged President Bush to act in accordance to International Law. She called for a justice fought not in the killing fields of Afghanistan, but in front of an International Court of Justice

In March 2002, Ms Jagger travelled to Afghanistan with a delegation of fourteen women, organised by Global Exchange to support afghan women’s projects.

That same year, In December 2002 Ms Jagger travelled to India on a Christian Aid mission to shed some light on HIV/AIDS situation and on the trafficking of children and child prostitution. She visited grassroots organisations in Delhi and Calcutta where she learned about their programmes to prevent the spread of HIV/AIDS and care for those infected, she spoke to many women and children in the Red Light area for whom safe sex is simply not an option. In Delhi, she met the voluntary Health Association of India, which works with the Indian Government to develop policy on HIV/AIDS. In Calcutta she visited Sanlaap, where she met children who had been trafficked and forced to become sex workers. At Sanlaap Ms Jagger heard first hand of the stigma faced by people - even children - infected by HIV/AIDS. She visited a shelter called Sneha which means “affection” set up by the organisation for children who have been rescued from trafficking. She met 48 girls from ages 10 to 18 who had been rescued by the police. At the shelter the girls were living together, learning skills to equip them to earn a living away from the red light districts.

Children who are rescued have to undergo a mandatory HIV/AIDS test, 28 of the 48 girls were already infected with the virus. During her visit Ms Jagger listen to horrific stories some of the girls live through in the brothels, stories of unspeakable abuse, cruelty and betrayal. One of the girls was visibly upset and after much hesitation she describes how men who looked sick, emaciated and often covered in with scabs would come to solicit their services at the brothel. Today in many countries throughout the world, many believe in the absurd myth that HIV/AIDS can be cured by having sex with a virgin. One of the girls was sobbing inconsolably when she described how the children would beg the madam not to have to sleep with these men, because they believed that they would contract HIV/AIDS, however, the madam wouldn’t hear their pleads and if they refused, they would be abused, beaten and burned with cigarettes. She was talking about herself but she didn’t dare to say it, because she would have had to admit that she had contracted HIV/AIDS. If any of the girls succeeded in escaping and went to the police to seek protection, they were likely to be returned to the brothel by an officer bribed by the madam, and if they returned to their villages their fathers would refuse to take them back.

Ms Jagger believes that many ways governments are failing to address the real 'terror' which millions of girls and women face every day.

In January 2003, Ms Jagger travelled on a fact finding mission to Iraq with a delegation of 32 academics from 28 US Universities, She has been one of the leading voices of the movement against the war in Iraq and was a keynote speaker at the anti-war demonstration 15 February 2003 in Hyde Park, the march was the largest political gathering in British history, it was attended by approximately 1,500,000 people.

Ms Jagger is deeply concerned by the erosion of civil liberties and human rights in the US, the UK and many other nations where Anti-Terror legislation would allow for indefinite detentions without trial and where judges would be excluded from the legal process.

She has denounced Mr George W. Bush’s administration development of a parallel justice system, circumventing decree by decree the oversight of Congress and the Courts. The Secret Military Commissions which will allow a death sentence without right to appeal. Such proceedings, she has decried, “violate the fundamental rights guaranteed under US Constitution” and “any curtailment, suspension or elimination of the constitutional liberties weaken rather than strengthen the war on terror”.

Ms Jagger is a staunch supporter of the International Criminal Court of Justice and the upholding of the rules of the Geneva Convention with regards to the treatment of prisoners. She has participated in numerous television and radio debates related to the war on terrorism, its victims and its future: most notably on BBC’s QuestionTime, Panorama and CNN’s Crossfire. The Bar Human Rights Committee for England and Wales made her their 2001 keynote lecturer at St Paul’s Cathedral, where her speech on the subject of Justice vs. Revenge was widely acclaimed by the media and public alike.

On 16 December 2003 Bianca Jagger was appointed Council of Europe’s Goodwill Ambassador “For the Fight against the Death Penalty”

On 9 December 2004 Bianca Jagger received the Right Livelihood Award, known as the Alternative Nobel Prize for her "Long-standing commitment and dedicated campaigning over a wide range of issues of human rights, social justice and environmental protection, including the abolition of the death penalty, the prevention of child abuse, the rights of indigenous peoples to the environment that supports them and the prevention and healing of armed conflicts."

Bianca Jagger, is member of the Executive Director’s Leadership Council for Amnesty International USA, member of the Advisory Committee of Human Rights Watch-America. Ms. Jagger also serves on the Advisory Board of the Coalition for International Justice. She is a member of the Twentieth Century Task Force to Apprehend War Criminals; a Board member of People for the American Way and the Creative Coalition.

Bianca Jagger performed in various films and Televisions productions: “The Rutles” 1978 Starring, Eric Idle, HYPERLINK "http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/filmography.html?p_id=95464" Neil Innes, HYPERLINK "http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/filmography.html?p_id=95775" Mick Jagger, HYPERLINK "http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/filmography.html?p_id=111574" Paul Simon, HYPERLINK "http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/filmography.html?p_id=77347" Ron Wood. Directed by HYPERLINK "http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/filmography.html?p_id=95365" Eric Idle and HYPERLINK "http://movies2.nytimes.com/gst/movies/filmography.html?p_id=116298" Gary Weis. (NR, 70 minutes). A parody documentary of a Beatles-like singing group called the Rutles, Charts the adventures of the prefab four, possibly the most famous band of all time. The Rutles was collaboration between Monty Python alumnus Eric Idle and Saturday Night Live filmmaker Gary Weis.

“Couleur Chair” known as “Flesh Colour” 1978 Starring Dennis Hopper,  HYPERLINK "http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0856187/" Laurent Terzieff,  HYPERLINK "http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0902610/" Veruschka von Lehndorff

“The American Success”, 1980 Starring Jeff Bridges, Ned Beatty and John Glover, directed by William Richert, “Cannon Ball Run” 1981 Starring Bert Reynolds, Roger Moore, Farrah Faucett, directed by HYPERLINK "http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0624102/" Hal Needham, it is an action, adventure, comedy and more Tagline: You'll root for them all...but you'll never guess who wins. Plot Outline: A wide variety of eccentric competitors participate in a wild and illegal cross-country car race.

HYPERLINK "http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086759/" "Miami Vice" 1985 TV episode Free Verse…Carmen, Starring Don Johnson, 

“Street Hawk” 1985 TV episode The Unthinkable…Simone Prevera “Hotel” 1986 TV episode Separation…Francesca Delgado “The Colbys” 1987 TV episode Betrayal…Maya Kumara Starring Charlton Heston, HYPERLINK "http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001684/" Katharine Ross

HYPERLINK "http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097001/" C.H.U.D. II - Bud the Chud (1989) ....Velma

“Last Party 2000” 2001 Filmed over the last six months of the 2000 Presidential election, Phillip Seymour Hoffman starts documenting, Rudolf Giuliani, Susan Sarandon, Tim Robbins, Noam Chomsky

Ms Jagger has written articles for the op-ed page of the New York Times(USA), the Washington Post (USA), The Dallas Morning news (USA), the Columbus Dispatcher (USA) the Observer (UK), The Guardian (UK), The Independent (UK), The Mail on Sunday (UK), The Sunday Express (UK) The New Statesman (UK), the European (UK),Liberation (FR), Le Journal du Dimanche (FR), Le Juriste International (FR), Panorama (IT) to name a few.

I have begun to source the awards section. --Morenooso (talk) 07:31, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Member of Washington Office on Latin America?

Jagger is described as a member of the Washington Office on Latin America. This is not a membership organization. The group does not currently list her as belonging on the board of directors. Suggest we remove unless further citation is provided. Notmyrealname 19:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to the writer for putting down her real birth year. I have seen sources where they have her born in around 1950, when one could easily find out she is several years older than that. They could find out from magazine/newspaper articles written at the time she married Mick Jagger. They are close to the same age.--Susan Nunes —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.228.62.138 (talk) 16:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Lawsuit

An Austrian man who found a platinum ring belonging to human-rights activist Bianca Jagger is suing her for not paying him a reward. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/7906642.stm Are details on this case worth including in the article? 203.211.75.108 (talk) 07:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

I think it's a bit early to include that. If the story grows, then perhaps, but for now I'd rather focus on finding reliable sources for her early life, jet-setting days, and charitable works. - Jredmond (talk) 15:22, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Seems hardly newsworthy to me. People lose stuff all the time. It almost reads as if the finder is trying to extort money from her in hopes of a settlement based upon a defamation lawsuit. Recommend the maintenance tag be removed. --Morenooso (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Challenges in improving the article

I just reverted an edit I made which was intended to move the reference to Gandhi from the Bio to the Activism section, where it belongs. But then, in checking the reference, I found that the "source", netglimse.com, is mirroring the WP article. While I have another source to replace it, I hestitate to do so, since so much else needs to be done:

• Jagger's birth year was listed as 1950, which was clearly incorrect, so I changed it to 1945 (she's almost two years younger than Mick Jagger, who was born in July 1943). Other than imdb.com, however, I haven't found any reliable sources that give a precise date.
• Her early background, as written here, is sketchy at best, and so too is the transition she made from jet setter to international activist. Both of these formative periods need to be filled in because they have so much to say about who she was and who she eventually became.
• Her career as an activist is highly notable, but the current material is little more than a string of dates and events. All of this needs to be tied together in a narrative, rather than a list that jumps from one cause or honor to another.

The problem in sorting out Jagger's bio is that for all her many causes over the past 20 years, relatively little has been written about her personally. Much of what is available on the internet is a reflection of her own attempts to overcome her previous image, and I sympathize with that. But when the main source on a subject is the subject itself, the job of telling the story and "getting it right" becomes all the more difficult. Allreet (talk) 06:14, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

Following are some independent sources on Bianca Jagger available on the internet. This does not include biographical profiles published by organizations affiliated with the subject, nor the long press release posted above on Ms. Jagger's background. I've also provided each of the references in citation format on the edit page, which are "remarked out" and can be copied as needed (be sure to remove the "remark" codes at the beginning and end of each citation).

• People, 2 May 1977: Smilgis, Martha, "A Rock 'n Roll Marriage"

• People, 23 July 1979: "You Can't Go Home Again, Bianca, Studio 54 Pals Said, but Jagger Did—to War-Torn Nicaragua"

• Time, 12 November 1979: "Divorced"

• People, 29 March 1982: Weiss, Michael J., "Bianca Jagger Trades Social Life for Social Activism"

• Time, 18 November 1996: "Senate Victors: Torricelli, New Jersey"

• Time, 15 February 1999: Jagger, Bianca (author), "Eulogy: Sean Sellers"

• Architects of Peace, 2000: Jagger, Bianca (author), Essay on Activism

• Time, 13 May 2001: Paris, Thomas Sancton, "A Matter of Life or Death"

• The New Yorker, 3 February 2003: McGrath, Ben, "Greetings from Baghdad"

• Maverick Voices, 2004: Jacobson, Kurt, "Bianca Jagger"

• The Independent, 19 April 2004: Byrnes, Sholto, "Bianca Jagger: Jagger's Edge"

• Associated Press, 7 December 2008: Hera, Vanessa, "Bianca Jagger Fights for Rain Forests at UN Talks"

• BBC News, 26 July 2009: Lawson, Alastair, "Anglican Church in India mine row"

• The Guardian, 27 July 2009: Jagger, Bianca (author), "Undermining human rights: An Indian settlement built on mineral deposits is at risk from a mining company. As consumers, it is up to us to protect it."

Allreet (talk) 13:51, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Bianca Jagger's birth year

Regarding Bianca Jagger's birth year, this article has claimed she was born in 1950 and includes two sources that cite this particular year. One these is the organization Right Livelihood, which gave her an award and, therefore, most likely received biographical information from the subject. The other is HistoryOrb.com, of which I know very little, so it's difficult to say what their source might be.

However, three of the article's more reliable references have this to say:

Entertainment Weekly, May 18, 2001, indicates she was married on May 12, 1971. The article states, "Jagger, then 27, wore a green suit and multicolored sneakers as he proclaimed his love for the Yves Saint Laurent-clad 26-year-old beauty before him." Based on the age cited, she was born in 1945.

People magazine, June 4, 1990, states "Bianca Jagger, who has been divorced from rocker MICK JAGGER for 10 years now, doesn't see a reason to drop her household name. "I don't think that my celebrity has anything to do with the Jagger name," says Bianca, 45..." Based on her age in 1990, she was born in 1945.

Internet Movie Database (IMDB), currently cites Jagger's date of birth as "2 May 1945".

Other sources that concur with this include:

Time magazine, November 12, 1979, reported the finalization of the divorce between "Mick Jagger, 35, leader of the Rolling Stones; and Bianca Jagger, 34." The age cited supports a 1945 birth.

People magazine, May 2, 1977, addresses the confusion on the occasion of Jagger's birthday, stating "Bianca, now at 32 (or 27 by her count)". Five years later in People magazine, March 29, 1982, this distinction isn't made in an article on her activism, which reports that "For a decade Nicaraguan-born Bianca, 37, has participated in relief efforts." The age cited also supports a 1945 birth.

Chase's Calendar of Events, 2007, indicates Jagger turned 62 on May 2. This also supports a 1945 birth.

On the basis of these sources, I am reverting the unexplained changes by 66.36.133.63 and will be requesting administrator intervention if the year is again changed back to 1950. Allreet (talk) 18:58, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

these are not reliable sources there magazine articles,all the charities shes involved in states shes was born in 1950. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.36.133.63 (talk) 23:59, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Since I related my position as completely as possible, I would have appreciated hearing from you before you changed this date again. Just the same, let's start over by accepting that we're both convinced of our own positions and that we're both doing what we believe is the right thing to do. From there, I hope we can work this out.

My position - that Ms. Jagger was born in 1945 - is based largely on the published record prior to 1980 when the attention of the world was focused on her and her relationship with Mick Jagger. While nobody disputed her age (26) at the time of their marriage in 1971, she apparently was already attempting to pare off some years before the divorce, as reflected in the article I cited that described her as "now at 32 (or 27 by her count)". Despite such efforts, major publications continued using 1945 in calculating her age. As for the primary publishers of 1950 as the year of birth, all appear to be organizations Ms. Jagger has been affiliated with.

On that note, I believe that magazines such as Time and People are far more reliable as sources than charities (nonprofit organizations) because it's their business to report information independent of the subjects they are covering. It's also their job to scrutinize the details. By contrast, the "business" of nonprofits is to promote their causes. While accuracy might be important on other fronts, in matters like this, the information usually comes directly from the subject.

So my question is, what sources other than those connected with Ms. Jagger have you found that support 1950 as the year of her birth? For some examples of what might help us sort through this, see WP:Verifiability, particularly the section on Reliable Sources. Thanks. Allreet (talk) 05:46, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Bianca's daughter jade said her mother was very young when she had her, she was born in 1971 so if bianca was born in 1945 she would be 26, witch aint young, 21 is more realistic. i cant find the interview anymore i saw it on google, when i do ill post the link. Also many rolling stones books,interviews and documentaries mention her as "mick jagger young bride".

Thanks for the quick reply. Under WP:VER, we can't rely on an inspecific remark made by her daughter or general characterizations from books or films. The only thing that will help are published dates and other references to the subject's specific age. For example, is that all these works had to say, his "young bride"? I'm sure they were more detailed than that in writing about one of the world's most intriguing women. At any rate, I personally don't care one way or the other how old or how young Ms. Jagger is. My only concerns are that we provide readers with the most accurate information possible and that we're fair to the subject in terms of how we present it. Any additional thoughts? I'd also appreciate hearing from other editors on this subject. Allreet (talk) 22:31, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

Given that all we have to go on are published reports, I think it would be reasonable to put in that there is contradictory evidence for the date. Perhaps in a footnote? Or put an asterisk next to the date with a note?Notmyrealname (talk) 16:08, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Based on the references I listed, Notmyrealname's support, and the lack of verifiable information from user 66.36.133.63, I am changing Ms. Jagger's birth year from 1950 to 1945. I am also including a note on the edit page asking users to refer to the Discussion page if they intend to change the year again and that they provide references and/or a rationale before making such a change. In other words, I am seeking their input as well as feedback from other editors to help resolve this. Thank you. Allreet (talk) 14:22, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Excellent job.Notmyrealname (talk) 04:34, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Reference to activties called "spam", why? http://www.350.org/messengers#bianca [ http://www.350.org/messengers#bianca ] 350 (organisation)

The addition of verifiable links is being blocked as to Ms. Bianca Jagger's activities, Why? : http://www.350.org/messengers#bianca [1], http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bianca-jagger/yes-we-can_b_181542.html [2], http://www.fokus.se/2008/06/bianca-jagger-den-oklippta-intervjun/ [3], ... just to name a few hot off Google Search for "Bianca Jagger 350".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/350_(organisation) [4] 350 (organisation)

See climate change denial, for a "The Nixon Interviews style" read see excellent: [5] http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/hotpolitics/interviews/seitz.html

http://www.350.org/people/athletes [6], http://www.350.org/riders [7] new, http://www.350.org/en/messengers [8], http://www.350.org/people [9] 99.39.184.88 (talk) 22:06, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Why? Because it's not notable, and only the last (at fokus.se) seems reliable with respect to Ms. Jagger. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 23:55, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Help the article

I can't-am overloaded; but this article makes Bianca Jagger's life story that of having married Mick Jagger and then becoming a party girl/Saint. Please, some balance and perspective. She had to grow up somewhere, right? Maybe do other things that weren't related to the Stones or Politics? Cause that's all I see here thus far. Please help the article.--Leahtwosaints (talk) 22:13, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Underconstruction tag added: 2010-04-28

In order to source the awards section as suggested by another editor, I have placed an Underconstruction tag on the article. I have found several useful citations that from URL's whose sites have articles here on Wikipedi. After my initial post, I will add one or two at a time and try to use distinct URLs. --Morenooso (talk) 07:35, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

The awards section is now sourced. The maintenance tag was removed. --Morenooso (talk) 09:08, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

New section added 2010-05-01 concerning an event related to Jimbo Wales

In this DIFF, Jimbo recounts a 1981 experience that Jagger said is her life changing moment. In 1981 as part of a US congressional delegation to a UN refugee camp in Honduras, Jagger and the staff saw an El Salvador death squad march off some of the refugees. Armed with nothing but cameras to document what was happening, Jagger and company followed the squad towards the El Salvador border. When both came face to face, cameras versus M-16s, the combined delegation shouted at the armed rebels. I am about to post a new section using two independent sources I found that document this ephinany. The two citations come from:

• Bianca Jagger: Champion of peace news.bbc.co.uk

• Bianca Jagger: Jagger's edge www.independent.co.uk

If I remember correctly, the first URL listed comes from present citation #27. Both of these cited sources have been verified by an independent admin who I previewed them to to get his advice on this matter.

He suggested I flesh out this 1981 experience using the cited sources but to first come to the article talkpage and post this new section here. I have completed the section in my userspace and will post it momentarily into Jagger's article. I'm trying to get Jimbo to post his sig on his Jimmy Wales article as the only thing I would like to see Wikipedia be improved. --Morenooso (talk) 05:10, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

BTW, if readers perform a search for 1981 in those URLs, you will taken to where the cited text comes from. --Morenooso (talk) 05:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Great care was taken to cite the new section. I disgree that with the revert summary that it seems improper. In some sentences I employed direct quotes because I wanted the further reader to know those weren't my words. Yes, it might require wordsmithing and I would say expansion as UK Independent news source has further info about what makes this life changing moment more interesting and notable. --Morenooso (talk) 16:47, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

• From Studio 54 to the front line Irish Independent October 28 2001, Retrieved:2010-05-01.

Unexplained revert of cited material 2010-05-01

In this DIFF, cited material from two independent sources was reverted without an edit summary. The cited material was documented in the section above this called New section added 2010-05-01 concerning an event related to Jimbo Wales. Another editor should look at this revert. Morenooso (talk) 16:13, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Wow, it's worse than I thought. Arthur Rubin deleted not only the new section but also 14 citations I provided for Jagger's various awards. --Morenooso (talk) 16:15, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

I reverted myself. However, in regard the #Epiphany section, the reliable sources are quoting Bianca's recollections of the events, and make it clear they are doing so. It either needs to be put as entirely her viewpoint, or reliably sourced to someone else who was there. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:48, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

It's probably part of a US Congressional record as she reported the incident upon her return. The new section comes from two different UK newspapers that have no relation to the subject.--Morenooso (talk) 16:51, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

No, the UK newspapers don't have a relation to the subject, but they make it clear that they are quoting her, both about the event (for which there should be independent verification somewhere), and for her reaction. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:53, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Disagree strongly. The BBC News is mostly a report. Yes, it might have been given as an interview but the paper has editorial oversight. That another UK paper picked up on it a year later provides an independent third source. That both covered an event more than 10 years prior (12 in the BBC News case; 13 in the UK Independent) makes this remarkable. --Morenooso (talk) 16:59, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Furthermore, since the incident happened at a UN camp, some report most likely went there as well. --Morenooso (talk) 17:00, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Prime issue identified to another admin who previewed the recent sourcing to the awards and new section added

One of the prime issues I identified to a different admin, who previewed the recent additions, is that some of "Jagger's press" could be viewed potentially as circular. However, the gentle reader knows that famous people who lie on their bios usually get caught. Those that get lie and get caught usually crash and burn (for lack of better words). Jagger is on many different previous boards, commissions, etc. that report her bio like this one that mentions (in a scant way) her death squad activities/reports:

• Bianca Jagger Santa Clara University Retrieved:2010-05-01 Mention of her "documented" squad activities in El Salvador.

Yes, sometimes "stuff" does get by, but eventually it catches up to fakers. Jagger doesn't strike all these reported bios/press as a faker IMHO. --Morenooso (talk) 17:19, 1 May 2010 (UTC)