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[1]Put this link here cos I keep forgetting where it is, not that much is happening there - surprise surprise!

Your Email

Your email on Wednesday lifted my spirit. ;-) Let's talk more and see if we can figure out the best approach to take. I'll email you in the morning with some specific ideas to see if you think that they will work. Take care, FloNight ♥♥♥ 02:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment of Little Moreton Hall, Kedleston Hall & Ascott House

Hi, Thanks for your message about assessing Little Moreton Hall, Kedleston Hall & Ascott House as start class when reviewing all National Trust houses for the new Wikipedia:WikiProject Museums. As you know these things are a subjective judgment & we are still developing the criteria at: Wikipedia:WikiProject Museums which you would be very welcome to participate in. They are all good interesting articles, but as you requested a few comments on other things which could be done. Little Moreton Hall - well referenced, but more could be said about the contents (as opposed to architecture) & NT ownership (eg when did they aquire it & how) - I have put this one up to B class. Ascott House & Kedleston Hall are completely unsupported by inline citations & I feel these are needed before they could make B class. I would personally add an infobox using Template:Infobox Historic building, but as we discussed on Brympton d'Evercy I know you dislike these. I hope these comments are useful.— Rod ^talk 14:34, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I don't like info boxes, in fact I detest them. In line cites are only needed for contraversial or disputed facts, and Little Moreton Hall is notable for not having contents. Giano (talk) 14:43, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A quick glance puts the first at GA+ class, easily, and the other two, most probably. Of course, with an infobox, I'd relegate them to "borderline deletable".--Doc^g 15:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In line cites are only "required" for controversial or disputed facts - however they are good practice at all times, for dates, names, styles etc - these enable others to check what has been written & get further information. If you would like me to I can go through & add "citation needed" tags, but I'm sure you are aware of where they would be helpful. Perhaps an edited saying "Little Moreton Hall is notable for not having contents" would be useful?— Rod ^talk 14:54, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sure you mean well, but Giano is one of our best writers. Have you heard the expression "to try to teach your granny to suck eggs"?--Doc^g 15:02, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't think of trying to teach Giano to suck eggs - I was asked on my talk page why I had rated them in the way I did. We have previously had long discussions about Brympton d'Evercy & the benefits (or othewise) of GA reviews. I have personally guided several articles to FA & even more through GA, so I feel I am aware of some of the issues. You may not find infoboxes useful/attractive or whatever but many others do & I find them a useful summary. — Rod ^talk 15:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you very much for your advice, but the pages will have to remain "start" standard if that is the case. I am just hapy they are one up from a stub. To be honest i had forgotten I ever write them, so it is nice to see them popping up on the watch list. I may soon start my own grading of pages. Just think of the fun I could have with that. Giano (talk) 16:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A box promises to contain, and things that can't be neatly contained can't be put in boxes. A box suggests "this is the real deal," and if the real deal could be put in a box, then there would be no need for articles. A box says, "Here is your PowerPoint bullet point list, so you can find all the world reduced to a reductive summary; please do not strive to understand complexity, for that is for suckers." A box says, "Wikipedia is just like your primary school text book: full of colors and 'bites' of infotainment." A box says, "I, the box maker, have just pissed all over this article and written a counter-article, and it's short, so read it instead." A box may be found useful by some people, indeed. We call those people "non-readers." Utgard Loki (talk) 16:47, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why can my page never be nice, like other people's pages ful of happy lovely things, and cheerful smiling happy people - all waving and singing gospel songs and doing beauriful things. There's only Spumoni who is ever cheerful around here Giano (talk) 16:50, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There you are you see [2] carcharoth understands me, and I took all the pretty photographs myself too, just so our American cousins can se what a real old English manor looks like - even if it is a complete fake. Giano (talk) 16:56, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You have become a kind of User untalk:Jimbo Wales, a place where opinion is voiced regardless of the page owner - even though it is addressed to you. You are both the Unfounder and the UnArbCom in the eyes of many. How do you like your crown of thorny comments? LessHeard vanU (talk) 16:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trust me Giano, you shouldn't encourage me to start singing if you want people to be happy and doing beautiful things. Nice photos, by the way. Mine always seem to have extraneous objects in them. Risker (talk) 16:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps I ought to become an admin after all, then I can block you all for interupting me, trying to upload a half finished bloody plan that has taken nearly all of the last day of my holiday, looks terrible, has hours more to do on it, and now won't fucking upload cos I've saved it in the wrong bloody format, and I only want to see how it looks so far - bugger the Winter Palace! Giano (talk) 17:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I would stand as nominator. Remember, you do not have to show a need for the tools - just trustworthiness in potentially using them... hmmm... My offer still stands! ;~) LessHeard vanU (talk) 17:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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Can this bird ever be caged? --Doc^g 17:21, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks LHVU, but all that mop and bucket stuff, I have never used a mop and bucket in my life, and fiddling about with vandals and civility, categories, filing, table manners and telling people what to do, sounds like a cross between a school teacher and a housemaid - not my style at all - I like to please myself - I suppose none of you know how I can upoad a doc.file? You may as well make yourselves useful seeing as you are all admins. Giano (talk) 17:35, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Japers, Giano - I don't know how to do stuff! I'm an admin; I stop people doing stuff... The creative bits are best left to the pure writers, and the techy bits for the rest of the editors! I'm sure there will be some of the latter around here some time later. Hopefully they can assist... LessHeard vanU (talk) 20:51, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You mean a .doc file I take it Giano? And we aren't all admins. I take it you mean you can't upload an image with .doc, in which case you have a technical problem, give me a shout if you want a hand with technical problems and I will see what I can do. Thanks, SqueakBox 20:57, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No, no don't worry, I rang the bell, and the butler knew the answer, thank God for people with mops and buckets, all sfely uploaded now, thanks for the offer. Giano (talk) 21:19, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oi!

[3] Whisker? Don't make me put a lolcat picture on this page... Risker (talk) 22:14, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear! Moral of that story is beware, spellchecker can do amazing things. Giano (talk) 09:29, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spellchecker did that? Good grief, I don't envy you. Incidentally, I did a little research into the new trendy phrase, "extraneous hoopla". I've written it up as a sort of DYK on my user page. Risker (talk) 14:23, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We did it, SS Chris is a Featured Article!

yaay!

Thanks for your help in getting the good ship SS Christopher Columbus to Featured Article status. The nomination went swimmingly, it was clear sailing all the way, no one turned up to torpedo it, and she passed easily.

that's the ticket!

Ah, Giano... you may not have had as many edits to Chris as some of the other folk I'm thanking, but you had loads to do with it just the same. Thank you, my friend. Enjoy your free pass (see right), I know I am going to! And stop bribing E! ++Lar: t/c 22:32, 28 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nice article! How about something like Niagara (palace steamer) next? Or another of the palace steamers? Which reminds me: John B. Macy: "Macy lost his life in the burning of the steamer Niagara [...] Macy was last seen on board exclaiming "We're lost! Oh God! We're lost!" His body was never recovered.". Category:Shipwrecks in the Great Lakes is interesting. I would suggest trying to get Great Lakes Storm of 1913 featured, but it's already featured! Carcharoth (talk) 01:59, 29 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how any of that can be an FA, except that The Rock was heard to say, "We're lost! We're lost!" in the December to Dismember. Now that is the kind of FA writing that has a proper selection of footnotes with sortings, licensures, tags, tag teams, and other things, all of which are the most important things of all -- not this elitist history and culture stuff. Utgard Loki (talk) 15:56, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hello - images

Helo - I've followed some of your articles which are very good - you use images a lot. Can you point me the right way to sort out the copyright problem. I uploaded a picture I made here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pluralitas.jpg

which should not be a problem, but the warning message does not give precise instructions about how to fix it, just links to various long and incomprehensible online documents. Help gratefully appreciated. Latinist (talk) 11:18, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

If you really did make it yourself, you just select the appropriate tag from the drop down list, in this instance {{PD-self}, Giano (talk) 12:00, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - although I have no idea why that is the correct answer! Latinist (talk) 12:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Image for deletion

I want this deleted [4] can someone do it for me, I have speedied it with good reason, but others seem to feel my reasons are not good enough. Bisnonen, Geogre, someone anyone - can you do it for me - Thanks. Giano (talk) 22:27, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Gone.--Doc^g 22:40, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have a nice new one uploaded. Giano (talk) 22:41, 30 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I was confused as to why you didn't just upload a new version over the old one... ++Lar: t/c 23:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

He uses a different title for each major revision, and doesn't want the old versions around to confuse things, since the work has been corrected and revised. Scary that I know that. Risker (talk) 23:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, yes it is. ++Lar: t/c 15:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Belton House

Giano, I understand what you mean about the brighter pictures, but do you agree it would be better to have a picture without a cherry picker crane in the foreground? Pete Richardson (talk) 06:54, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No I don't. The pictures in the article were taken expressly for the purpose of illustrating points raises in the text. While the crane is regrettable, (only 1 of the images changed had a crane) the original images still illustrate the hard architectural fact better than a glimpse of the house taken at an angle "peeping" through trees, in poor light. Giano (talk) 06:59, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough - I hadn't considered the relationship of the text to the pictures. The lighting wasn't perfect in mine, but I do think the composition was more agreeable. However, given the status of that page, it doesn't deserve to be messed with on a whim, my apologies. Pete Richardson (talk) 07:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Why not go back on a nice day and take the south front, full on, minus the bloody crane? When writing about country houses etc, it is always important to remember this is an encyclopedia not a "come and visit us, we are so beatiful, all the kids will enjoy the day out" type brochure, and the images have to be as factual as the page - rather than beautiful. Giano (talk) 07:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I liked it there so much that I'm sure I'll go back some sunny day. Very good point for the pictures on here, I'll bear that in mind in future. Many thanks for your comments. Pete Richardson (talk) 08:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's not enough information in the image to remove the crane entirely, but I've minimised its impact a little until somebody takes a nicer pic (or until somebody is prepared to spend more than five minutes removing it from the image). Yomangani ^talk 10:06, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh you are so clever, I wish I cpuld do clever things like that. I think you are one of the wisestwikipedians I know of. Clever, intelligent,witty, charming, useful, did I say clever....actualy Yomangani, I'm working on something quite big at the moment, I may need your help some time in the futur placing one or two inages - well actually about 1500 - Giano (talk) 12:18, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

First Stalin's liquidated ex-henchmen are disappeared from photos, then poor cranes that never harmed anyone, sob. -- Crane Liberation Front 12:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Pity we can't airbrush certain people too. Giano (talk) 12:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently I'm already in trouble with the Crane Liberation Front, so I don't want to be hanging around the Winter Palace when the Bolsheviks rush in (although I saw the beginning of Anastasia a couple of weeks ago and appeared that the Imperial family all got on a train out of Russia during the extremely well-mannered revolution, so maybe it isn't that risky after all). Yomangani ^talk 12:39, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Of course the Imperial Family lives on! All you have to do is look, here and then here. And don't even need photoshop (gosh didn't the groupies look better in the old days!).--Doc^g 12:52, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well sadly for the groupies, there is not going to be much about the last Romanoffs, because contrary to what is on the internet, they did not actually like the Winter Palace, and spent as little time there as possible. Giano (talk) 12:55, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of this; really? Daniel (talk) 14:20, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Load of bolox. Giano (talk) 15:47, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ah yes, bolox. Here's a pair. -- Hoary (talk) 11:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Images for deletion!

This [5] has displeased me greatly, unless the Arbcom want to see an immense amount of incivility they had better turn out and vote to save it because I no longer have the original on disc! Giano (talk) 18:33, 31 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well the image looks safe now. Thanks. This new editor User:Kelly does seem to be something of a keen deletionist, seems to spend every spare moment nominating for deletion, perhaps there is a prize? I wish I was such a fast learner, should go far on Wikipedia. Giano (talk) 12:05, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

Hello, Giano II. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The discussion can be found under the topic Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User using rollback tool to edit war. Tiptoety ^talk 00:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Appears to be resolved. Don't spill your cappuccino. Risker (talk) 03:15, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

talk page history....

check it if you like, and accept a sincere apology if you'd like.... moving on now.... Privatemusings (talk) 06:44, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fools

Thank you Risker (your rollback not working?) [6], but I was not born yesterday, and had just finished typing my acceptance speech. Now the world will never get to read it. In view of recent events, and an offer made to me, privately, which I am considering, PM was being very perceptive. I have decided to help share that great burden which Jimbo has so manfully and with such panache hitherto carried alone. All of you rank and file common editors must not regard me as changed, and if you want to talk to me at any time, my chief-of-staff Ms Bishzilla's undersecretary will advise on a place for you to wait as I walk past. My use name will name be changing from Giano to User: Oh Holy and most gracious One, but don't clutter up my talk page with your dull trivia about pages and content as it is now reserved for important people like Arbcom members who will want to post there begging favours etc. Wikilove and warm greetings etc. etc. etc. to you all . Giano (talk) 06:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC) )(aka: Oh Holy and most gracious One (talk) 07:01, 1 April 2008 (UTC))[reply]

My rollback works fine - I wanted to leave a snotty edit summary, that's all. In any case, this is a day of celebration. Did you know that Bishapod has been canonised? It is true! and today is Bishapod's Feast Day! There is even a website detailing all the special events being held in St. Bishapod's honour; and of course, here there is the Special Main Page event. So it looks like you won't be the only Oh Holy and most gracious One - you'll have to share that honour with a plushie. Risker (talk) 07:06, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I really can't let this day pass without apologising once more for my uncivil comments at this illustrious talk page. I have self-imposed a 31 minute cool down block, and expect better of myself when I return. (I'm just glad I didn't get the attentions of either bishzilla, or little stupid - the former's death rays may be terrible to behold, but it beats being dribbled on to death.....) Privatemusings (talk) 10:52, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well I am just shocked and horrified by your behaviour Privatemusings, when I am on the Arbcom behaviour such as yours will be severely dealt with, very severly indeed. Your head will be impaled on the front page as a warning to other editors who may attempt to step out of line, and introduce light releif into the proceedings. Giano (talk) 11:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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 :::I was confused as to why you didn't just upload a new version over the old one... ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 23:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 ::::He uses a different title for each major revision, and doesn't want the old versions around to confuse things, since the work has been corrected and revised.  Scary that I know that. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 23:53, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
+:::::Yes, yes it is. ++[[User:Lar|Lar]]: [[User_talk:Lar|t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Lar|c]] 15:31, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 ==Belton House==