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::::The image page is still locked, as it was recently on the main page. I have added a fair use rationale to the [[Image talk:London2005Bus.jpg|discussion page]] instead]]. [[User:TreveX|TreveX]]<sup>[[User talk:TreveX|talk]]</sup> 12:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
::::The image page is still locked, as it was recently on the main page. I have added a fair use rationale to the [[Image talk:London2005Bus.jpg|discussion page]] instead]]. [[User:TreveX|TreveX]]<sup>[[User talk:TreveX|talk]]</sup> 12:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
:::::The problem here is that it is a current news event. The copyright holder (apparently the bbc) wants to benefit from the work. Our reproduction of the image harms them in that it makes their website slightly less useful compared to ours, reduces the number of BBC web site users and slightly lowers their reputation as a bearer of unique news information. While I think it unlikely that they would sue, I think a fair use claim would be hard to defend. Wikipedia is non-commercial and the use of the image is transformative (in making an encyclopedic article), but the image is not an historical record so the nature of the image detracts from a fair use claim. The work is entirly reproduced - although at web resolution. The third factor is partially fulfilled. And surely there is an effect on the potential market, although the BBC might not be intending to sell the image, they hope to benefit from it in other ways. The BBC has an unusual status, deriving much of it's revenue from the licence fee and with a public service charter. But it's not a non-profit in the same way that we are. They are probably unlikely to sue, but I don't think that should be a major consideration. I think based on the nature of this image, our use isn't fair, and the image should be deleted as a copyright violation. [[User:Zeimusu|Zeimusu]] | [[User talk:Zeimusu|(Talk page)]] 14:30, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
:::::The problem here is that it is a current news event. The copyright holder (apparently the bbc) wants to benefit from the work. Our reproduction of the image harms them in that it makes their website slightly less useful compared to ours, reduces the number of BBC web site users and slightly lowers their reputation as a bearer of unique news information. While I think it unlikely that they would sue, I think a fair use claim would be hard to defend. Wikipedia is non-commercial and the use of the image is transformative (in making an encyclopedic article), but the image is not an historical record so the nature of the image detracts from a fair use claim. The work is entirly reproduced - although at web resolution. The third factor is partially fulfilled. And surely there is an effect on the potential market, although the BBC might not be intending to sell the image, they hope to benefit from it in other ways. The BBC has an unusual status, deriving much of it's revenue from the licence fee and with a public service charter. But it's not a non-profit in the same way that we are. They are probably unlikely to sue, but I don't think that should be a major consideration. I think based on the nature of this image, our use isn't fair, and the image should be deleted as a copyright violation. [[User:Zeimusu|Zeimusu]] | [[User talk:Zeimusu|(Talk page)]] 14:30, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
:::::::'''Dispute''' Er... correct me if I'm wrong, but I am sure that the image in question was from a London CCTV camera. As such, the BBC has no copyright claim on it. [[User:Cynical|Cynical]] 13:48, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
::::::Wikipedia is full of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of images from news websites which are tagged as fair use. The current events section articles and the main page image for current events rely heavily on such images. Can I ask on what basis may any images taken from news websites be used on wikipedia as fair use? I cannot distinguish between this image and inumerable other similiar images which have never been listed on this page. [[User:TreveX|TreveX]]<sup>[[User talk:TreveX|talk]]</sup> 14:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC)
::::::Wikipedia is full of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of images from news websites which are tagged as fair use. The current events section articles and the main page image for current events rely heavily on such images. Can I ask on what basis may any images taken from news websites be used on wikipedia as fair use? I cannot distinguish between this image and inumerable other similiar images which have never been listed on this page. [[User:TreveX|TreveX]]<sup>[[User talk:TreveX|talk]]</sup> 14:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC)


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*[[:Image:Dodder.jpg]] from [http://www.swarthmore.edu/NatSci/cpurrin1/dodder.htm] - [[User:MPF|MPF]] 00:06, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
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*[[Bentgrasses]] from [http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/turf/publications/bent.html] &ndash; [[User:ABCD|AB]]''[[Special:Contributions/ABCD|C]][[User talk:ABCD|'''D''']]''[[Special:Emailuser/ABCD|]] 00:53, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[Bentgrasses]] from [http://aggie-horticulture.tamu.edu/plantanswers/turf/publications/bent.html] &ndash; [[User:ABCD|AB]]''[[Special:Contributions/ABCD|C]][[User talk:ABCD|'''D''']]''[[Special:Emailuser/ABCD|?]] 00:53, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[Faith Hubley]] from [http://www.pbs.org/itvs/independentspirits/faith.html] &ndash; [[User:ABCD|AB]]''[[Special:Contributions/ABCD|C]][[User talk:ABCD|'''D''']]''[[Special:Emailuser/ABCD|]] 01:47, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[Faith Hubley]] from [http://www.pbs.org/itvs/independentspirits/faith.html] &ndash; [[User:ABCD|AB]]''[[Special:Contributions/ABCD|C]][[User talk:ABCD|'''D''']]''[[Special:Emailuser/ABCD|?]] 01:47, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[Chikara]] taken directly from [http://www.theddt.com/sites/mikequackenbush/chikarapro/faq.shtml here]. [[User:Mmmbeer|Mmmbeer]] 02:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[Chikara]] taken directly from [http://www.theddt.com/sites/mikequackenbush/chikarapro/faq.shtml here]. [[User:Mmmbeer|Mmmbeer]] 02:01, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[The Way Of Walking Along]] from http://www.angelfire.com/weird/tchjdaedn/alone.html and many other places. Surely we aren't allowed to reproduce things like this? [[User:Agentsoo|Agentsoo]] 02:19, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
*[[The Way Of Walking Along]] from http://www.angelfire.com/weird/tchjdaedn/alone.html and many other places. Surely we aren't allowed to reproduce things like this? [[User:Agentsoo|Agentsoo]] 02:19, 1 August 2005 (UTC)
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This page is intended for listing and discussing copyright problems on Wikipedia, including pages and images which are suspected to be in violation.

For requesting copyright examination before including questionable content to a Wikipedia article use Wikipedia:Requested copyright examinations instead.

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See also: Wikipedia:Copyrights, Wikipedia talk:Copyright violations on history pages, Wikipedia:Request for immediate removal of copyright violation, Wikipedia:Confirmation of permission, Wikipedia:Sites that use Wikipedia for content, Wikipedia:Fair use

Actions to take for text

Remove the text of the article, and replace it with the following:

{{copyvio|url=''place URL of allegedly copied material here''}}~~~~

Where you replace "place URL of allegedly copied material here" with the Web address (or book or article reference) that contains the original source text. For example:

{{copyvio|url=http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/hovawart.htm}}

After removing the suspected text violation add an entry on this page under today's section at the bottom of this page.

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In addition

In addition to nominating potential copyright violations for deletion, you could:

  • Replace the article's text with new (re-written) content of your own: This can be done on a temp page, so that the original "copyvio version" may be deleted by a sysop. Temp versions should be written at a page like: [[PAGE NAME/temp]]. If the original turns out to be not a copyvio, these two can be merged.
  • Write to the owner of the copyright to check whether they gave permission (or maybe they in fact posted it here!).
  • Ask for permission - see wikipedia:boilerplate request for permission, Wikipedia:Confirmation of permission

Instructions for special cases

  • Category:Unfree images: These may be listed, if they indeed are not available under a free license or a reasonable fair use rationale. Note that some of these may not actually be unfree images, but rather images which are released under multiple licenses.
These images are available for use on the Wikipedia web site, but are not released under the GFDL. According to Jimbo Wales, we cannot use images that are not GFDL and are not usable under a fair use rationale [1]. Images from these categories may be listed here, but be sure that the image is not also available under a free license, and that a fair use claim cannot be made.
From the mailing list:
As of today, all *new* images which are *non commercial only* and *with permission only* should be deleted on sight. Older images should go through a process of VfD to eliminate them in an orderly fashion, taking due account of "fair use". (Jimbo) :Full Email, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
See also this followup: [2]

Older than 7 days

Below are articles and images that have been listed here for longer than a week, but have not yet been dealt with for specific reasons.

Poster claims to be the author or to have permission

When you originally report a suspected copyright violation, do not add it here, but at the very bottom of this page (under the heading for today's date). Typically, the issue will be resolved within the usual seven days. This section is intended for cases where a second opinion is needed, or where someone should follow-up by e-mail, and which thus need a little more time.

Fair use claims needing a second opinion

Dispute: Its a mere system map, which I uploaded out of convenience. There is basically no creative effort in the map whatsoever, especially since its schematic, with no cartological precision. I could basically duplicate it on memory on a piece of paper or using gimp/mspaint/etc. and it would look just as good, except it would be tedious to duplicate all 50+ stations mentioned. Is a non creative work eligible for copyright? I hardly think its intellectual property. -- Natalinasmpf 20:17, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The LTA may well think otherwise! Transport for London charges quite handsomely for the rights to reproduce its system map... Physchim62 20:48, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting information from Physchim62. I feel that fair use or fair dealing should apply here. The image is created for disseminating information. Fair use still protects the copyright holder, in case wikipedia go commercial in future, (hope not). Vsion 22:10, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. A schematic map does have creative effort put into it, more so than a more accurate map. As such, it is very definitely covered by copyright. --Carnildo 23:20, 5 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If it was a tourist map complete with illustrations, then yes. The LTA map is pretty simplistic, only tedious and repetitive - nothing creative. I could basically reproduce it manually myself, since its just the order of the stations, with my own colour scheme, except it would take say, 15-30 minutes to add every station. It becomes purely a mathematical thing, nothing creative. -- Natalinasmpf 18:47, 6 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Carnildo that schematic maps have creative effort, but let's not forget that it only needs the slightest creative effort to trigger copyright. The system map in its present form could not just be created from a mathematical function of the positions of the stations. It's copyright, and if the LTA don't want to let us use it under GNU then there's nothing we can do. Physchim62 17:40, 8 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, until someone contacts the LTA and clarifies the matter, the image should not be used. If someone wants to reproduce it (tediously) by hand, they're certainly welcome to. Alex.tan 02:28, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It is NOT fair use. It CANNOT be fair use. It is on a server in Singapore and therefore the copyright law of Singapore applies as well as the copyright law of the United States. The copyright law of Singapore is based on British principles, modified by local acts after independence. British law does not have fair use, it has the much more restricted fair dealing. In order to use pictures downloaded from foreign servers people getting those pictures MUST obey the copyright laws of the nation where the server is physically located. David Newton 17:16, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Dead wrong - we go by the copyright laws of America. Say America had no copyright, Singapore will do what to the American Wikipedia since no American laws were violated? Nothing, it has no duristiction as to the copyright laws (or any other laws) in another country.


Since this image is designed for public consumption, is publically available I say fair use is more than satisified under the Image use policy and Wikipedia:Fair_use going by the United States Copyright Act of 1976 thus I say keep via fairuse, although I am open to reducing the resolution by some factor to push it more firmly into the center of fair use territory. --ShaunMacPherson 22:05, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
ShaunMacPherson, please refrain from trying to "reason out" legal concerns. This is not something which can be dealt with in that manner. Either you know the case law involved or you don't. If you are going to contribute your own opinion, then you should at least know what international treaties bear on the problem, and how previous cases have been decided. Without that information your hypothetical is simply not useful. What's more is the damage that such an attitude could do to WP. For example, if a country feels that WP is explicitly ignoring their IP laws, they might require local ISPs to block access to it. I don't think a subway map is worth that, do you? -Harmil 14:02, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
ShaunMacPherson, you very adequately describe your own opinion there. You are dead wrong, and citing American copyright law does nothing to alter that fact. The server is located in SINGAPORE. It is therefore the copyright law of SINGAPORE that applies to the images on the server.
Judging by the university that you graduated from, you may very well live in Canada. If you do, then it is Canadian copyright law that applies to you.
The Wikipedia itself is located in the United States. It is thus the copyright law of the United States that the Wikipedia itself is governed under.
I am located in the United Kingdom. It is thus British copyright law that governs me.
Hypothetically, let's say I was the one who had uploaded that image. I would have violated the copyright law of Singapore by using the image otherwise than that law dictates. To quote from the terms and conditions of the website, "By accessing this website and/or using the services offered through this website, you agree that Singapore law (including without limitation, the provision of the Evidence Act (Cap. 97) and the Electronic Transactions Act (No 25. of 1998) shall govern such access and the provision of such services and you agree to submit to the non-exclusive jurisdiction of the Singapore courts." Merely accessing the website after reading the terms and conditions means that you are bound to obey the laws of Singapore. So, if I had downloaded the image to my own PC, I would also be bound by British copyright law, and its fair dealing copyright exceptions, due to my physical location. Nowhere in those does it allow the reproduction of images for the purposes the uploader clearly intends for that image. The copyright law of the United States may also not be a defence. Claiming fair use is not a carte blanche to use the image as some assert. Besides, as I have already demonstrated, fair use CANNOT be claimed for images off websites where the servers are located outside of the United States where those images fall under copyright with all rights reserved or similar.
For public domain images outside the United States, or images outside the United States under copyleft licences it is an entirely different position. We are not talking about that here. We are talking about a copyrighted image the use of which, without the written permission of the copyright holder, violates the copyright law of Singapore, and possibly the copyright law of the country the person who uploaded the image comes from. David Newton 18:15, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Why is this still up for debate. This is clearly a copyright violation. Someone sat down and drew that map, deciding how to represent the system, which symbols to use, etc. Under U.S. copyright law, anything more than a de minimous amount of creativity qualifies for copyright. Since the whole map has been uploaded, it does not qualify as fair use. We should have been done with this discussion a long time ago. If you don't like the outcome, lobby congress to change the law. Chuck 18:10, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:Technetium.jpg in article Technetium. The source cited is online, but the picture looks to me like the one in the "Life Science Library" series book Matter. Either way, it is not clear to me that the fair use claim is justified. -- Dominus 12:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Comment Hopefully these images fall under fair use but I listed here because I am not sure and this and the following image seems to fall into a grey area. Jtkiefer July 5, 2005 23:27 (UTC)
Does the plot-summary contain direct quotations from the book? Not that I can see. If it doesn't then there is no copyright problem to worry about. Since its source is acknowledged we don't need to worry about plagiarism either. David Newton 18:17, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It could be argued that this is a derivitve work, and that the degree of "suubstantiality" in the amount of the work based on the original takes it outside of fair use. Of course I incline to think it should be deleted for otehr reasons, but that is up to VfD. DES 18:25, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If you look at its current Vfd several people have referred to situations where very similar large summaries got sued. As it is, I could easily read this to know exactly what's what without ever buying the book! This matter deserves discussion (preferably on the Copyright Problems talk page) as we really need a definitive answer for future purposes. GarrettTalk 02:39, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image:London2005Bus.jpg: The claim is that this is fair use, but it seems clear to me that it is not. This photo is copyright, all rights reserved, and used on the commercial BBC website on a page of photos. It's evident that they derive significant value from it. And we display this image on the Main Page! We're practically begging to be sued. Some photo related to this event would really be helpful for the article, though. Deco 21:15, 14 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Deco correctly observes that this image is copyright and all rights reserved. This does not, however, preclude a fair use claim on this image. Fair use is a legal concept used legitimately to reproduce such images which are copyrighted. This includes news reportage!
Furthermore, BBC News operates for the public good. The corporation is a public non-profit entity and is funded by license fees paid by British television users. The BBC news website is not "commercial" (as asserted above) - none of the pages carry advertising and the BBC does not generate revenue through its news website. The BBC derives no direct commercial value from this photo, as Deco has claimed on my talk page. The idea that the BBC would sue another non-profit entity is risible. Can someone please explain, with reference to the fair use criteria, why this is inelligble for fair use? TreveXtalk 21:27, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hrm, I'm still unsure. Our non-profit status does give us some leeway. It is a low resolution image. I wasn't aware that the BBC was a non-profit organization - I always thought they were a corporation like the New York Times. However, the BBC may have purchased rights to use the image from a professional photographer or a commercial news corporation, in which case we'd still be in trouble. U.S. legislation about fair use of media for news may not apply, partly because the copyright owner may be in Britain and partly because we're not technically a news website. I suppose as long as we have OCILLA there's no real harm in leaving it up, but I'm not sure if this image is covered by the criteria on Wikipedia:Fair use (you reach #9, "Does the nature of the image and source (if known) suggest it is intended for wide distribution?" but I'm not sure if it fails this). It seems like a murky enough case that I wouldn't bet money that it's fair use, at least if I weren't a copyright lawyer. At this point I don't really care all that much though. Deco 22:02, 15 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The image page is still locked, as it was recently on the main page. I have added a fair use rationale to the discussion page instead]]. TreveXtalk 12:25, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The problem here is that it is a current news event. The copyright holder (apparently the bbc) wants to benefit from the work. Our reproduction of the image harms them in that it makes their website slightly less useful compared to ours, reduces the number of BBC web site users and slightly lowers their reputation as a bearer of unique news information. While I think it unlikely that they would sue, I think a fair use claim would be hard to defend. Wikipedia is non-commercial and the use of the image is transformative (in making an encyclopedic article), but the image is not an historical record so the nature of the image detracts from a fair use claim. The work is entirly reproduced - although at web resolution. The third factor is partially fulfilled. And surely there is an effect on the potential market, although the BBC might not be intending to sell the image, they hope to benefit from it in other ways. The BBC has an unusual status, deriving much of it's revenue from the licence fee and with a public service charter. But it's not a non-profit in the same way that we are. They are probably unlikely to sue, but I don't think that should be a major consideration. I think based on the nature of this image, our use isn't fair, and the image should be deleted as a copyright violation. Zeimusu | (Talk page) 14:30, July 17, 2005 (UTC)
Dispute Er... correct me if I'm wrong, but I am sure that the image in question was from a London CCTV camera. As such, the BBC has no copyright claim on it. Cynical 13:48, 1 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is full of hundreds, perhaps thousands, of images from news websites which are tagged as fair use. The current events section articles and the main page image for current events rely heavily on such images. Can I ask on what basis may any images taken from news websites be used on wikipedia as fair use? I cannot distinguish between this image and inumerable other similiar images which have never been listed on this page. TreveXtalk 14:31, 21 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

These need a thorough check for online sources, and if none are found, a check for offline sources.

Additionally, the user responsible for this suspected copyvio is also behind a proven copyvio in the Manuel Marulanda / Manuel Marulanda Velez articles.Juancarlos2004 2 July 2005 00:55 (UTC)

Others

FHM-US's 100 Sexiest Women 2005 - this compilation of opinion is the property of FHM-US. RickK 06:51, Mar 27, 2005 (UTC)

    • How is this different than any other similar list, many of which are also the basis for a Wikipedia article? MK2 04:32, 2 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure about this one. More opinions needed. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 11:44, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
    • FHM had creative input into the list, both in ordering and selection. See Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service#Implications. —Korath (IANAL) 12:29, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)
      • FHM actually had no input on the ordering or selection. Both are the result of a reader poll. FHM's editorial content would be the selection of the pictures and text which accompanied the poll results and neither is included in the Wikipedia article. MK2 00:16, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)
    • This is a fascinating dillemma. On the one hand, I can't see why this list couldn't be copyrighted. On the other hand, we list the Oscar winners and runner-ups, and the Nobel Prize winners and nominees, which are essentially the same thing. I can't imagine it would be a problem to say "She was listed as one of FHM's sexiest women of 2005" in each woman's article, so why would it be a problem to list them in one article? I'd tend to vote keep, but if a lawyer wants to chime in, we'd all be obliged. – Quadell (talk) (sleuth) 18:10, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
  • 100 Greatest Cartoons - from [5] - intellectual property of Channel 4. RickK 00:42, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
    • I question that a straight list can be copyrighted Burgundavia 03:35, Apr 12, 2005 (UTC)
      • See above. —Korath (Talk) 18:04, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)
  • Seeing as we don't seem to be reaching a consensus here, I've raised this issue at the Village Pump. MK2 15:30, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
  • I agree with Korath that the FHM list is copyright as the "creative input" of the author(s) is non-zero. The list would have sui generis protection in other jurisdictions even if it were not copyright in the US. Physchim62 18:10, 4 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't agree that a reader's poll (with just the result list, no pictures, writing, etc.) has "creative input" from the magazine. I don't understand how either of these lists are copyrightable, where is the creative work by FHM or Channel4? They are both just results of readers polls.--Duk 15:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • The magazine chose to use to poll however. Superm401 | Talk 01:14, Jun 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • I think a list like this is not copyrightable. I ask you to consider the following analogy: Some organizers had a sort of a contest. The results were made known, along with a a lot of interesting detail concerning the contestants and the contest itself. Later, a second party posted the rankings of the contestants. Did the second party violate the first party's rights in any way?
ExampleOrganizersContestMethod2nd Party
1Major League BaseballBaseball team standingsPlayed a bunch of gamesNewspaper Sports page
2FHMSexiest women rankingsAsked a bunch of peopleWikipedia
Why is example 2 any different than example 1?
However, that the New York Times disagrees with me. They have pursued action against other publications that have re-published their best-seller list. For example, they went after www.amazon.com [6] for using the New York Times bestseller list as a basis for providing purchase incentives (books on the lsit were to be discounted). This was quickly settled [7] with Amazon agreeing to certain terms, including; listing the books alphabetically instead of in-order, and sharing sales information with the New York Times. Since this didn't make it to a legal ruling, it does not set a legal precedent. Maybe someone can find an example that did go to court? Johntex 02:11, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

New listings

July 21

  • As the original contributor and translator I have removed the copyvio'ing section from the article. Would be nice if someone could add a rundown of the basic rules instead. Since the rules encourage re-distribution AND modification, I wasn't aware the translation was not GFDL-compatible. Sorry for that. Would it work if I hosted the translation on a seperate server and linked it? -- Ashmodai 06:52, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Specifically the non-commercial clause makes it not compatible with the GFDL. I think the GFDL article does a good job at explaining the basic principles. (Yes, an off-site link would be fine.) Brighterorange 17:57, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

July 23

  • Rivka Golani has bits and pieces pulled from [9]; I can't tell if there's a clean version in history or not; would appreciate if someone else would revert, repair, or place a copyvio template on as appropriate. - RedWordSmith 23:08, July 23, 2005 (UTC)

July 24

July 25

Electronic Telegraph June 13 1996
By John Keegan, Defence Editor
Keegan is, BTW, a major book author -- not to suggest we should steal from minor journalists.
--Jerzy·t 21:26, 2005 July 25 (UTC)

July 26

  • Video painting from [145] Dan100 (Talk) 18:13, July 26, 2005 (UTC) -- i would like to comment on this being infringing on copyright: i am the author of the article and i am also the owner and author of the URL in question (namely, nomig.net). so there's no copyright issues as they are both written by myself. thanks, NomIg.


July 27

Comment: The submitter is claiming that *he* is allowed to license the image simply because he pasted together other images he has no rights to? Taking images from elsewhere and putting them together does not mean you have a copyright that you can then choose to license out to people, that's not how things work at all. DreamGuy 04:37, July 28, 2005 (UTC)
User:Zwen has made strenuous claims that she owns the copyright to this material and that as she contributed it, this page does not constitute a copyvio. (I happen to believe that the page should still be deleted on other grounds, but we should not dismiss this claim without evidence). Lupin 12:52, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

03:13, 2005 July 28 (UTC)

Listed yesterday - please comment below. Striking this through to avoid fragmented discussion. Lupin 15:06, 28 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Note: poster claims permission (see here) - but only on a no-edit condition incompatible with Wikipedia. Tearlach 01:35, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

*Sirpa Masalin copied from [264]. >>sparkit|TALK<< 23:57, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Withdrawn. I was looking at an old version that has since been wikified. >>sparkit|TALK<< 00:16, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
Re-written at/temp --Duk 20:06, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Spencer Davis Group from [283] --Brumburger 13:39, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • Why not? We start almost all the 1911 Britannica articles by copy-pasting. Public domain is public domain is public domain. There is no exception that says "no copy pasting allowed". This may be more of a clean-up issue, rather then a copyright issue. Eclipsed 18:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
So Keep is the conclusion. feydey 19:28, 29 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • User:Ibpassociation has created the article. He has literally flooded wikipedia with articles which are copied pasted from federal sources (or not). He has probably just used this strategy to insert a bunch of links (these links: [294]), which are in almost all his contributions. This is spamdexing, and I suppose vandalism. User contributions: [295]. Please help to cope with this elaborate vandalism. I have started cleaning the mess (removing the links, checking for copyvio, adding cleanup tag when appropriate and so on), but I am seriously fed up with it. And he is back under 64.187.12.2: [296].--Edcolins 21:12, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
  • Yet another clone: User:Intbiopharm (contrib: [297]), always with the same links. --Edcolins 21:28, July 29, 2005 (UTC)
This article was just fine on July 27, and had been built up over the course of 200+ edits. Under the circumstances, doesn't it make more sense just to revert it to that point. Is the copyvio notice sacrosanct? Mwanner 12:17, July 30, 2005 (UTC)
The instructions above say to revert in this situation. So, I did. Vsmith 20:54, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • From the page in question: All text is available under the terms of the GNU Free Documentation License
Source: Original text from the article in Wikipedia, The Free Encyclopedia: AIDS --Blu Aardvark | (talk) | (contribs) 12:25, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That is actualy funny. But you are right. --Cool Cat My Talk 13:21, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest delete. It's actually about a dendrite in the metallurgical sense. Tearlach 20:25, 30 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The text is also on Murdoch's own personal site. And as a promotional text. I don't think he'd mind. (I copied and pasted this from a different computer) (unsigned 66.98.152.31 (talk · contribs))

Mevlevihane -- from [420] --Mysidia 23:15, 31 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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