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Request for word limit extension

CaptainEEK asked me on my talk page to elaborate on which editors besides the named parties have been involved in this dispute, and who therefore may need to have their behavior examined. I am compiling this list, but it is necessarily a little wordy; I ask that this particular list and associated evidence not be counted toward my word or diff limit. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:07, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93 I have a lot of time for a request like this but because this is the first of what could be several extension requests can you ballpark how much of an relaxing you'll need? Barkeep49 (talk) 01:04, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@Barkeep49: For the purposes of documenting other involved parties, I'd say 50 words and 3 diffs per editor (which strikes me as quite reasonable), and I expect to list between 6 and 8 other editors. So perhaps I can make do with 400 words and 20 diffs; I can promise this extra evidence will be straightforward, however. Vanamonde (Talk) 22:16, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93 great. Let's bump you to 1k total words and 100 diffs (as if you were a party) at the moment and see where that gets you. Barkeep49 (talk) 16:58, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, much appreciated. Vanamonde (Talk) 01:25, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

El C's evidence

@El C: in your evidence you write about the difficulties in organizing evidence. That alone is of some value but, and I am speaking only for myself here,I am always interested in evidence by uninvolved editors who have attempted to mediate a solution introduce evidence along the lines of "Here's a thing going on. Proving it all is hard but here's a diff or two of what I'm talking about." Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Barkeep49, this was years ago, so it's hard for me to remember and I just don't know if I'll be able to spare hours and hours toward this, sorry. El_C 02:16, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Barkeep49, El_C asked do impressions from my mind count?. I would humbly opine that letting uninvolved editors, who have spent a lot of time in this area, give their impressions (even without diffs or other evidence) could be valuable. (Parties such as myself would still need to dig up diffs and give context). I would assume that it would be less time onerous for one to simply write about their impressions. I don't mean to be presumptuous or pressuring (apologies if I am).VR _talk 13:45, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Impressions of uninvolved editors can be of some value. Because impressions are harder for a party to give counter-evidence to or to contextualize in a different way diffs remain at the center of what ArbCom does. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:59, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

List of involved parties

Apologies if I have misled by my absence; I had not completed the list of parties I consider involved before RL called me away. I will complete it as soon as I am able, hopefully in the next 36 hours. I generally take no issue with the inclusions other users have suggested. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:42, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

@Vanamonde93 I expect we'll add at least some of the parties suggested. However, out of procedural fairness it will mean we extend the timetable. As such finishing in the next 36 hours is somewhat important. Barkeep49 (talk) 14:58, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I understand. I will do my best. Vanamonde (Talk) 15:36, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I am finished with adding to this list. There have been other participants; I don't think I had appreciated until today the extent to which the cast had shifted while the drama kept going; but I think we've got all those who have kept it going. Vanamonde (Talk) 05:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)