User talk:Vanamonde93

MEK ArbCom case request

Hi Vanamonde93. I hope you're doing well. ArbCom has received a case request regarding MEK conduct disputes. I would be grateful if you made a statement as an uninvolved administrator who has worked in this topic – it'll help us come to a better decision. Best, KevinL (aka L235 · t · c) 18:31, 14 July 2021 (UTC)

@L235: Apologies for a slow reply; I've been traveling, and my internet access is not to be counted upon for a while yet. I see that ARBCOM is leaning toward accepting. I'll leave a brief statement shortly, but I'm not going to be engage very deeply for a while yet. I will do my best to participate in the actual case, though again, no promises. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:44, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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Proposed Women in Green Editathon

Hello Vanamonde93 -- With the goal of helping to progress the WikiProject Women in Green (WiG) women’s rights-themed GA nomination goal for 2021, I’m proposing that WiG hold a special editathon event in the fall (maybe October/November?). I can assist with logistics, but I need to know how much interest/support there might be from WiG participants first. Please let me know what you think in the talk page conversation! All the best, Alanna the Brave (talk) 02:35, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

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Alt News

A picture exists in Wikipedia with fake description

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jashodaben_Narendrabhai_Modi.jpg

Alt news fact-checked this as fake few months ago.

https://www.altnews.in/no-this-is-not-pm-modi-and-jashodabens-wedding-photograph/

"Alt News contacted Keyur, who is the incumbent BJP OBC Morcha Pramukh in Surat. He confirmed that the woman in the viral image is his sister Alpa Vankawala. The photograph was taken at her wedding on July 14, 1994. Hemant Chapatwala was then a Rajya Sabha member. “Narendra Bhai, Fakir Bhai Chauhan, and other BJP members came to attend the wedding,” Keyur told Alt News.

The individuals in the photograph have been identified below.

(1) Fakir Chauhan

(2) Narendra Modi

(3) Alpa Vankawala (Keyur’s sister)

(4) Damleji (RSS Prant Pracharak)

(5) Utpal Vankawala (Keyur’s brother-in-law/ husband of Alpa)

(6) Kashiram Rana (late BJP MP)"

The same image has also been uploaded as a Wikipedia file photo where the woman is identified as ‘Jashodaben Narendrabhai Modi’.

The woman is Alpa Vankawala not Jashodaben Narendrabhai Modi.

The copyright claims by the user who uploaded it are also fake. 42.110.201.93 (talk) 11:04, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you are messaging me about this; I do not habitually work with images, and moreover, this image is hosted on Wikimedia Commons, not here on the English Wikipedia. Based on the linked article, it seems clear that the license information isn't accurate, so you should start a deletion request there if you want to do something about the image. Ordinarily I would suggest also watching that user's contributions, but they have already been blocked, so nothing further to do in that regard. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:24, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Arbitration case opened

You recently offered a statement in a request for arbitration. The Arbitration Committee has accepted that request for arbitration and an arbitration case has been opened at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian_politics. Evidence that you wish the arbitrators to consider should be added to the evidence subpage, at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian_politics/Evidence. Please add your evidence by August 6, 2021, which is when the evidence phase closes. You can also contribute to the case workshop subpage, Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Iranian_politics/Workshop. For a guide to the arbitration process, see Wikipedia:Arbitration/Guide to arbitration. For the Arbitration Committee, Moneytrees🏝️^{Talk/CCI guide} 18:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Howdy hello Vanamonde, in your statement at the request you mentioned we should include other editors in our examination of the topic area; I would be quite interested in hearing about such editors and think it would be most useful as an evidence submission, should you have the time. Smooth sailing, CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 20:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

@CaptainEek: Sure thing, it'll give me an easy place to start with the evidence! Vanamonde (Talk) 20:50, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

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AE sanction

I don't think AKG is particularly innocent. This edit is quite strange. TrangaBellam (talk) 18:45, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

I don't find these lists to be encyclopedic. Which encyclopedia, other than us, had ever attempted ridiculous lists like these? TrangaBellam (talk) 18:49, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

@TrangaBellam:, if there's concerns with AKG's behavior, AE is the place for them. A side conversation on my talk isn't going to be helpful; could you please post there? I'm generally in agreement that that sort of list of conversions isn't encyclopedic; for one thing, any similar list (people with X affiliation) is almost certainly incomplete, given that most people are quite private about their religious beliefs. But that's first off a content issue, and second nothing I individually have any power to do anything about; a more general discussion about them wouldn't hurt if you wanted to start it. Vanamonde (Talk) 19:05, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Now reading (2)...

A Hebrew translation of A Man of the People — no, not that one! What can I say? Chinua Achebe had the gift. El_C 12:46, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

I enjoyed both those titles! Only read them once each thus far, but might revisit them when I have a moment. It was my first Achebe, as I recall. Vanamonde (Talk) 20:42, 31 July 2021 (UTC)

Just started it this morning and already I'm half-way done, so it's proving to be quite the speedrun (granted, it isn't a lengthy book). Funny story about the next book on the cue, C. J. Cherryh's Hestia. In Hebrew, Hestia has identical spelling as "The Perversion," and because my memory is terrible, a couple of times through the years, I'd be looking at the book's cover and I'd be thinking: 'why is she kink-shaming furries, in 1979? That's super-weird' But then, once I'd look in the inside cover (which has the title in English), I'd be, like, 'right, the planet!' El_C 06:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

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Disk-to-disk backup

I observed you hard delete closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Disk-to-disk backup. Please can you WP:REFUND Disk-to-disk backup and associated talk page to my userspace or to draft space for my consideration in the future. If there is no talk page please advise. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:09, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

User:Djm-leighpark here you go: User:Djm-leighpark/Disk-to-disk backup. There's nothing of substance on the talk page. Vanamonde (Talk) 00:10, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diplomacy
	For a likely successful deescalation. GRuban (talk) 20:52, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

GRuban Thanks...I really hope it ends up being, in fact, a deescalation. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:01, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Want to agree. As I mentioned there, I'd written up something similar. Only reason I didn't post it was due to an edit conflict which caused me to see yours. Your proposal 3 was better written than what I had--both shorter and less wiki-lawyerable. I also think your argument at DRV was probably the best about the underlying issue (rather than the CfD itself) anyone has made. I do a lot of technical writing as part of my job and I'm always impressed when someone is that much better at it than I am. (As a side note, BHG is one of the *very* best here at such things when she stays on point--part of why I'd love to keep her here if we can without trashing WP:CIVIL.). Hobit (talk) 14:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Transperth

Hello - I think your closing of this AfD was really poorly done: you should have at least told users participating that the cases for merging were not made out and explained that and relisted it for another week. WP:ATD requires a merge or a redirect if it's available, and it was clear that there was at least the possibility of that happening. Can you please restore the article so we can merge it properly? At the very least the history needs to be kept and that was made clear from the AfD - so the offer to userfy isn't sufficient for that purpose because it won't restore the history. Deus et lex (talk) 13:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Deus et lex, it's up to participating users to substantiate their argument; when poor arguments lead to a lack of consensus, relisting makes sense, but consensus here was clear. There's no need to preserve the history when the article has been deleted; if someone wants to merge something, a userspace copy is perfectly fine, because it's quite possible to preserve history when userfying or draftifying. If you want a userspace copy, let me know. Vanamonde (Talk) 14:15, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It wasn't clear. None of the users rebutted the fact there was an alternative to deletion. You should have relisted it for a week. I would really like the history back so I'd like you to put it back, please. Deus et lex (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Deus et lex: Here you go: User:Deus et lex/Transperth fare zone. WP:ATD is often mis-cited in deletion discussions by those wishing to avoid deletion at all costs. Merging is appropriate only when the content is encyclopedic, and there were convincing arguments that it wasn't necessary. Feel free to do as you please with the userspace draft, but copying it wholesale into a different article requires prior consensus. Vanamonde (Talk) 03:57, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. Deus et lex (talk) 06:17, 12 August 2021 (UTC)

thoughts

Do you think something like

• Whenever we’re on 2-a-days, require anyone with over X DYKs to either build a prep or move one to queue for every Yth nomination.

X and Y to be worked out in a subsequent discussion if we get buy-in on a possible way to get more help during the busiest times. —valereee (talk) 16:56, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

@Valereee: I'm a little lost as to the context here; aren't the current proposals at WT:DYK only about reducing the unreviewed backlog? Regardless; I don't think this is a great idea: I don't think we should require anyone to mess around with prep sets; they're complicated. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Yes, this is about the prep/admin workload, sorry. Yes, preps are complicated, but I feel like someone with hundreds of DYK appearances ought to be able to figure out prep building. And any admin who has done hundreds of reviews can learn to move to queue, all that requires is knowing how to review.

I guess I'm the only one who thinks 2-a-days are a problem at our current staffing levels. —valereee (talk) 17:09, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if you're the only one who thinks they're a problem: I've not paid attention to DYK in months, it's quite possible hooks aren't getting enough scrutiny at the moment. You're correct that someone with hundreds of DYKs could probably figure out how to build a prep set, but honestly those editors with >100 DYKs tend to be those who already do DYK maintenance, those who would be very upset at being made to do it, those who aren't active enough at DYK for it to mean much, and those we don't want doing prep sets anyway. If the threshold is 100 DYKs, I really don't know how much it would help. I don't think I'd oppose such a change if you suggested it though. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

That's okay, if it's not something even someone affected by the issue can fully support rather than simply not oppose, it's not worth bringing up. People directly affected by staffing issues at DYK are in too much of a minority compared to those submitting; consensus is difficult even then when it affects those submitting. Whatever the solution is it needs to be something pretty much all prep-builders and DYK admins can get behind. Honestly I probably need to just stop tooting this horn and just exit DYK during 2-a-days. :) If not enough experienced noms think the job is worth doing, maybe it's not worth doing. —valereee (talk) 18:08, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

I think your point is entirely valid, just that it's hard to legislate away what is fundamentally an issue of enthusiasm and willingness to do grunt work to support something you want. And I've been as guilty as any, though god knows I've been busy in RL for a while. FWIW, if it's admins and prep-builders we're looking for, personal appeals may do some good; speaking for myself, I've been unable to do anything at DYK for several months, but I've (hopefully) returned to regular activity as of this week, and now that I know we're facing a time crunch, could try to promote some sets...and others may do the same. Vanamonde (Talk) 18:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

It's definitely admins and prep-builders that are the bottleneck. Cwm is moving 1/2 of preps to queues and filling preps regularly. She's a workhorse, but jeez. Moving a prep every day, plus filling them? It's a lot. —valereee (talk) 19:02, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Reza Abbaszadeh (2nd nomination)

Hi, I noticed you were involved in the turmoil on the article itself. The AfD nominator screwed up the nomination (this is not a second nom but a first). I don't trust myself to clean this up; perhaps you could? As an aside, see also Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Mekiakaro, filed by the author of the article. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:43, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Bbb23 Now I'm wishing I hadn't been...I think the second nomination in the name is actually okay; the first was a procedural close on an old version, but it exists, and I don't see a reason to delete or move it. There's very obviously some off-wiki nonsense going on about this topic, but I can't make head or tail of it. With three brand new accounts attempting to get this deleted I think a CU is justified: I'm happy to say as much at the SPI, and watchlist the AfD, but this might be a job for COIN, as I really don't have the time to go deep on this. Vanamonde (Talk) 17:58, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for looking at it. You're right of course, it's a mess.--Bbb23 (talk) 18:05, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong

I've started to provide evidence at the arbitration and I will be quoting you extensively. If anytime you feel that I quoted you in a misleading way, please let me know. I'm going through a lot of diffs, mistakes can happen, and it is not my intention to misquote you.VR _talk 01:54, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I will do my best. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:02, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. Also you said The "warnings" to SB do not rise to the same level, I believe, though there may be other talk page examples I have missed, I want to politely point out this warning where you said Stefka, I'm very close to topic-banning you solely for that comment.VR _talk 02:06, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

I've decided, based on some reflection, to stick to formal warnings, rather than instances of me giving forceful reminders on the talk page; there are probably very many of those. Feel free to add them to your own evidence. Vanamonde (Talk) 02:23, 16 August 2021 (UTC)