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your undo's

just becouse you created a page, doesnt make it right, alot of people have added onto the Achlorhydria page and youve managed to keep it a stub, your not even correct to keep the current vesion becouse its not right, you can have low gastric levels, and still maintain a positive production of it therefor not having achlorhydria. i sugest you start discusing your deletions and undos on the talk page before someone reports you.. aka. myself. im changing it back and looking thro the past deletions youve made and redoing the page if you want to discuss a problem with it, open the descusion on my user page and i will gladly come to a agrement with you.

i further investigated this case.youve done this to me a few times, and another thing is, your opinions are not deletion worthy, encyclopedias are for all info not just definisions, neurosurgens do the surgery for the tumor becouse it sits directly on a bundle of nerves and the ear doctor isnt licenced to do such surgery, they can sit in yes, but you could have just changed it to that, it is still important to know.

and it seems you do this alot, and many people have said somthing to you, and you dont seem to be stoping, so all im going to say is if you do it to me again, i will report you, end of story, feel free to delete this comment.. i will have it in my directory for future reference if needed.. peace - Roy Stanley ph.d biogen (talk) 19:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

I find your language unnecessarily threatening ("I will report you"). Please moderate your tone, because it is unhelpful. Assuming good faith goes a long way.

It is not uncommon for edits to be reverted, certainly not if one believes in BOLD, revert, discuss. On achlorhydria you added something that was already mentioned (the symptoms), and removed interwiki links, a navigation template and a category link. I don't think that my revert was unjustified, and I don't think WP:OWN applies at all.

Given that you are contributing to the English Wikipedia, I would recommend you work on your grammar and spelling. JFW | T@lk 21:02, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

lol im pretty sure i menchion on my page that i am a horrible speller and need people to watch my articles, i have editers, but one only does my book and the other only does local news haha. anyway, i dont meen to threten, im just saying you do delete alot of things based on the fact that you think its to much info, and dont discuss the change before hand, you deleted alot more than the symptoms section, so you should have just made the moderate change you saw fit, and i only added to the symptoms not a whole new section, if there wasnt a section then it should have been better organized in the first place.

i dont think i should have to explain this, but if we're going to work together its nessisary you know. i havnt been able to spell or write ever in my life, no matter how much work i did on it, but when i was in pre k i aced in algabra and geometry, when i was in the 3rd grade i already had collage classes and went to a duke university sub school for excelling children, i in no means think im a geniouse at all, but i take pride in what i know, and in learning, part of learning is teaching, and thats what i entend to do here on wikipedia, but, if your going to make major changes.. only change what you see wrong, and only if you discuss it please.. every thing i type does follow wikirules wich gives me the right to stand for it before deletion.. besides.. who else but you and i really reads most of the articles weve worked on... not many people.. haha what do you specialize in anyway? i am a biomedical gerentologist. nice to meet you : P Roy Stanley ph.d biogen (talk) 22:50, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

any way .. back to the origional discusion, the revising you did this time better suited the cause, the statement 'it is related to...deseases' is funny cus its like your aruing the point, but its a contraversial statment any way, there are plenty of medical journals that say it has nothing to do with any thing else, but at the same time, it counts as a symptom, so you could say its assosiated lol. next, i misspelled x-irradiation, its still a cause and should be menchioned unless you thing radiation sais enogh? else wise.. good job cleaning it up.. why did you change the see alsos? lol just asking peace -Roy Stanley ph.d biogen (talk) 22:56, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

On achlorhydria there was a section called "presentation". I agree that it does not conform to WP:MEDMOS (the section is now named "signs and symptoms", as it should have been), but it is no excuse for duplicating material. I changed the "see also" section because I was not convinced that gastritis was relevant (atrophic gastritis perhaps), and hyperactidity had no links around it (and has no article).

I think it is fairly poor form to write long swathes of text and implicitly expect other contributors to make it better. If you think something should be covered but are unable to phrase it properly, you can always leave a message on the relevant article's talkpage.

You underestimate the popularity of Wikipedia. Even a rather niche article like achlorhydria attracts a fairly large readership; it comes up #1 on Google, suggesting that it is clicked often by people searching for it.

I will delete content that I find unhelpful, with a reasonable edit summary explaining my actions. Every Wikipedian has the right to do this, and ideally the content in question should not be reinserted unless concerns mentioned in the edit summary have been properly addressed.

My specialty is general medicine (what they call internal medicine on your side of the Atlantic). JFW | T@lk 23:03, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

indeed, i will just keep track of what gets deleted and look at the reason and see if i can make it better : ) you know people in america dont have grammer, i took english in germany one year as a exchange student and its alot harder than it is here, we have no particular way of talking, could be becouse we are dumb.. but i like to think thats not the case lol thanks for talking -Roy Stanley ph.d biogen (talk) 12:31, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Any help?

I didn't want to post this on WP:Judaism, because before, you sternly said how the project was strictly about Judaism.

However, again, I find myself needing a Jewish POV: Not to push bias, but to perhaps remove it. I thought I'd notify you directly, so that maybe you can help, if you want? Or not. That's OK too.

You may have heard of the "war on Christmas." See the article Christmas controversy.

Many Christians in America consider it "bigoted" if you don't say "Merry Christmas" or if you say, "Happy Holidays," instead. Overall, it is considered bigoted if you don't practice and recognize their religious holiday. Right now, the article is heavily biased and doesn't contain any information about criticism from anyone. One main source for criticism of this claim is Jews, I.E., Abraham Foxman's claim a while back that Christians were attempting to "Christianize" America and that this was itself anti-semitic.

To understand what I'm talking about, here's one sentence from the article [1] that stands out:

Smith further argued that Jews introduced Santa Claus to suppress the New Testament accounts of Jesus, and that the United Nations at the behest of "world Jewry" had "outlawed the name of Christ.

What on Earth is such a fringe claim doing there?

☯  Zenwhat (talk) 08:06, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's a whole load on WP:NOR and needs to be revised or deleted. Foxman may have said what he said, but clearly not in direct reference to X-mas greetings. If there is no source for the "Many Christians..." line, this is just someone's POV. I will review the issue as soon as possible, but probably not until tomorrow. JFW | T@lk 10:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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Dear Dr Wolff: In recognition of all your remarkable and consistent efforts (you are probably one of the most normal Wikipedians around) It is my pleasure to honor you with The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar [2]. On Wikipedia:Barnstars this award is described as: "The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar. The Defender of the Wiki may be awarded to those who have gone above and beyond to prevent Wikipedia from being used for fraudulent purposes. It was created after the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, when a fraudulent charity tried to take advantage of the widespread media coverage of the article. This barnstar was introduced by Alkivar on 8 January 2005." Congratulations! and Mazel Tov IZAK (talk) 10:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Conflict of interest?

On the statin page I added a link to an external site: http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_04/b4068052092994.htm It has been removed as "unsuitable". The link is to a reputable site, and the page contains information that is extremely valuable to people taking statin drugs. If you are going to remove this link, can you add another that provides similar information? Since you are a doctor, probably profiting from statin drugs, removing a link that contains unfavorable information about statins is a conflict of interest for you. I checked your pages regarding what criteria you use to remove external links, and none of those apply here.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.107.119 (talk) 17:20, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

It's not a bad article, and potentially relevant. We're sometimes a bit wary about citing the popular press on scientific issues (case in point: not until the 3rd or 4th page of the Business Week article do they mention that the "major findings" detailed in the lead have yet to be published in the peer-reviewed literature). It could be discussed further on the article talk page. As to those cheques from the statin manufacturers, JFW, if they sent mine to you by mistake, could you forward it? I'm still waiting for my bonus. MastCell ^Talk 20:54, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

71.112.107.119, I find it interesting that you automatically assume bad faith by suggesting that I might be in the pay of statin companies. What a very bad way to start a constructive discussion.

The "external links" is not for information. If there is information about statins, it should be in the article, supported with reliable sources and as neutral as possible. I fail to see how an article in a business magazine containing unpublished medical research can possibly be useful as a source for such an article. Wikipedia should pride itself in not having to rely on journalism for its sources.

If you want information from the Business Week article integrated with the statin article, how about leaving a message on the article's talk page? JFW | T@lk 20:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Template:Research guide

Thank you for your comment on my talk page. Yes, I would be interested in learning more about the possibility of making a tool based on my template. I have not done this before. Could you please provide some explanation on how to do this?Shannon bohle (talk) 23:16, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Will reply on your talkpage. JFW | T@lk 20:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

I created a JS tool on my User:Shannon bohle/Monobook.js page. Now what? —Preceding comment was added at 01:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

What about the new top portion--Can you work with that? I think it still may need an HTML portion to work.Shannon bohle (talk) 03:10, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Varenicline

The Varenicline article has a serious error. The article says about the drug side effects that they are "none common" which is simply not true according to the American Cancer Society. Therefore I fixed the error with information from the ASC. You're undo was a misunderstanding because my correction wasn't just from a different sources, it has much different information, in this case correctly. Chantix certainly isn't free fromside effects. I will now proceed to restore the correction I made. If you have any issue with the sourcing, please help me out, but this is a very important point since many potential users of Chantix will probably use Wikipedia as a guide, and it is very misleading for it to say "none common" under side effects. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lseidman (talk • contribs) 00:53, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

It depends what you call "common". No medication is free from side-effects, and I agree that we need reliable sources to distinguish between the "common" and "uncommon" ones. Rather than using these biased labels, it would be much better if we used the data from the studies on which the ACS page is based, and say that "nausea occurred in X% of patients", which is much more neutral and more factual. JFW | T@lk 20:18, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay I think we're in agreement. I think I saw such a source earlier, I'll try to post that once I get a chance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lseidman (talk • contribs) 04:51, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Parkinson's disease

Out of curiosity, how long do you intend to leave the article full protected? Isn't full protection of a high profile article for a period of over 5 months a little extreme? --69.118.143.107 (talk) 18:45, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You are correct that it is a high-profile article, and I agree that protracted protection is a little extreme. However, it has only been fully protected since 1 January this year after an old friend joined the RSPCA and became a vociferous campaigner for Capybara conservation (a very large rodent with webbed feet and no tail). Details of his mischief can be seen in the article's edit history.

Several options are open to you. I expect the full protection to be downgraded to {{semiprotected}} at some point. By that time, users with an autoconfirmed username should be able to edit without restrictions. I suggest you register an account and patiently wait for the protection level to be downgraded (without much fanfare for the obvious reasons).

If you identify an important problem on the Parkinson's page, consider leaving a message on Talk:Parkinson's disease prefixed by {{editprotected}}. Administrators will be able to make the necessary edit if it is deemed important enough. JFW | T@lk 20:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Medicine Collaboration of the Fortnight

NCurse _work 19:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Berci. I need to finish my planned work on rhabdomyolysis before starting on stroke in earnest. JFW | T@lk 20:27, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Tolosa-Hunt Syndrome

Hi JFW, I was wondering if you could take a quick look at Tolosa-Hunt syndrome which i've recently expanded from a stub. I was also wondering if you have any other sources on Tolosa-Hunt syndrome which could be used to help expand the article further? Regards, CycloneNimrod (talk) 21:38, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

PMID 16776691 is a recent review (2006) which includes the most recent criteria. It isn't free however, so your other option would be PMID 11606665, which is free if you don't mind registering for the JNNP website. JFW | T@lk 21:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ah I see, thanks a lot! I'll see if I can expand the article a little further now. Regards, CycloneNimrod (talk) 22:05, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Change titles for two articles

Hi JFW, this is just to let you know of the above proposal (at the TownPump I believe), just now. Also, I'm busy with other things in my life, so please don't expect me to even check WP for any answer in the foreseeable future. I hope someone will just do it. But I would eventually do it myself, if either you or dab (or anyone else) encourages me. For7thGen (talk) 23:26, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

You are referring to this discussion (Mitochondrial Eve and Y-chromosomal Adam), which was conducted in 2004 and therefore happened 3 years ago. I think it is immediately obvious that there is no consensus for any move over there. Dbachmann was mainly concerned about the socio-religious impact of the titles of both articles, something not recognised as a valid reason in the naming conventions.

If you think pages should be moved, record them on WP:RM and start a discussion on the talk page for each article. I'm also busy; I won't expect you to check WP for any answer but neither will I encourage you. JFW | T@lk 06:44, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Concussion

Hey, I wondered if I could ask you for a big favor. I've been working on concussion, which I noticed you've commented on in the past, and I wondered if you could look it over for any factual errors or distortions. I've submitted a peer review, and I would absolutely love it if you'd have time to comment there (though I understand if you don't). Thanks much! Peace, delldot talk 14:31, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Aww, thanks so much JFW! Actually I wrote most of those a long time ago, but I'm getting back into the swing of real content editing :) But my work is nothing compared to your own incredible work on the project since time immemorial, I see you everywhere! I'm glad you mentioned bringing it up on WPMED, will do. No worries about the delay, I know you're busy, and it's a favor anyway. Peace, delldot talk 18:49, 23 January 2008 (UTC)