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Instructions for using the Keeper-pedia/WikiKeeper as written by TCari & friends Embrace the edit conflict, for happen it will. Leaving a comment for Keeper doesn't mean that it will be Keeper who answers it, although he'll try. See #1. Make new friends you will. Save the drama for your mama. Everyone (mostly) gets along here. If American, you must be a baseball fan. Doesn't matter which team(s) as it's almost guaranteed someone will razz you on it. May apply for all sports If you have edited here at least 10 times, you are a talk page stalker. Especially if you've edited here at least 10 times responding to another stalker instead of to Keeper. Be prepared for unexpected topic changes. "Has anyone noticed that only on this page can you begin talking about creating a Geo list and then start talking about....lets see- we have gas prices, ancestry, pants, pant sizes, mean names, weight, metabolism, obesity, and all the rest? Wow!! I would say more, but I'm about to die of laughter." --Dusti Somewhat related, you may, at times, feel as if you are tumbling down a rabbit hole... It will eat your watchlist, but that's a far more pleasant sight than drama and AfD arguments and other debates. Feel free to add more instructions/rules here for Keeper-pedia...

The time has come

There have been reviews now, I would like yours as well please. Please Keeper? Thanks, Dusti^SPEAK!! 01:40, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going offline about 2 hours ago. I'll check in tomorrow morning....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:41, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks :) Dusti^SPEAK!! 14:57, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Wilson (theologian)

Keeper, I'm sensing a pretty hostile vibe from one of the editors arguing for deletion in the Andrew Wilson (theologian) issue. My impression of the situation is that he's essentially said the article has no potential for being encyclopedic, he doesn't agree with your closure, and he won't help, go away, or file a DRV. Can you review the post-AfD edits to the article and talk page, and tell me if I'm being hypersensitive, and, if not, give me some advice on how to proceed? Thanks. Jclemens (talk) 06:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Surprise surprise, he doesn't agree with my close. I'll keep it in my watchlist. Right now, he's burying himself with his "choice" of attacking using sarcasm, overbolding, and poor tone. Don't follow him down the hole (you haven't yet, you've responded very well to his exhausting posts). Anyone that calls a BLP article a "pile of steaming faeces" really doesn't have the collaborative spirit in mind. Your polite recommendation to him (come back in a month) has gone unheeded, but that's more his problem than yours. Let me know if he starts edit warring in the actual article; so far it appears that he's blowing off steam on the talkpage only. As far as content goes, the dustcover "quotes" don't establish notability, but they certainly don't negate it either. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:24, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll endeavour to keep to the high road. Jclemens (talk) 15:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Jclemens, I hope you don't mind me dropping by this conversation. I have Keeper's talk watchlisted, and noticed your note. I reviewed that AfD, and I must say, that was a very bold close by Keerper. I must also say that I don't like how you (and the article) were treated. I have watchlisted the article, and will also help keep an eye on it. Regards, S. Dean Jameson 22:18, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks SDJ! The more eyes the better, tis true for every article. (I'm not sure why you have my talkpage watchlisted, but it seems that thousands do, so welcome to WP:AN/K :-). Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:27, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• I'm trying to remember when and why I watchlisted it, yet there it is! :) And your talkpage is so ... ahem ... "interesting", that I think I'll have to come back more often! Also, on a side note, I'm having some health concerns with my family that will keep me from editing as often as I have been for the last month or so. I'm looking for the right template for the top of my talkpage. Right now, I have a custom wikibreak template in place, but it's not really a "wikibreak", as I'll still be editing regularly, just not nearly so regularly. Any ideas? S. Dean Jameson 23:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

• I've replaced your wikibreak template with a "semi-break" template, revert me if you wish: Hope that helps! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 00:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

  Wow, it's perfect! And from the looks of it, it's not a standard template, and you did some work on it. I really appreciate it, as I wasn't sure what to do. S. Dean Jameson 00:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• You're very welcome. Wishing you (and your ill family member) well. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 01:01, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks. Also, I've created an essay that you might be interested in expanding (or not). S. Dean Jameson 02:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

  (There should be a warning at the top of your page: "Warning! Contributing to this page can be hazardous to your sanity..." S. Dean Jameson 02:05, 9 July 2008 (UTC))

My usertalk is insane, I agree. I don't know how that started, honest. There are "rules" to Keeper-pedia listed at the top. That said, I'm moving your new essay into your userspace as soon as I'm done here, because it is a new "essay", it does not yet qualify/deserve "Wikipedia:" space. Don't be offended by that, it is what it is...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 02:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

FYI, S.Dean, your essay is now located here. Cheers, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 02:12, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, well. I thought it might last a BIT longer, especially given the success of WP:WANK's temporary run. :) How does a joke essay achieve official "Wikispace" status, anyway? :) S. Dean Jameson 03:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Generally, they don't, unless there's an important point being made within the humour. If you look here, you'll see that there's no rhyme nor reason to what goes in WPspace and what is in userspace; I suspect most of the ones in WPspace have just been overlooked. Incidentally, be very careful with that essay as it could very easily slip over the thin line that separates a joke from an indefblock. – iridescent 12:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Wow. After I took a quick look through the various ANI threads that had been linked with SJ's "contributions" it appeared clear to me that it was pretty well-established that he was being intentionally... well... goofy. If you think that my little essay is at or near the line of personal attack (I mean, indef block?!?), instead of in good fun, as I meant it to be, I'll simply blank it, and request deletion. S. Dean Jameson 13:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's a personal attack at the moment (hell, I have the "den of pigs" userbox), but what matters is what he thinks. Wikipedia is not a chatroom and there's not really any such thing as "intentionally goofy" anywhere except userspace; this is theoretically supposed to be an academic resource. (Either SJ is having problems and needs help, or is a troll account which is more subtle than usual, all of whose contributions will at some point need to be looked at – anyone familiar with me will know what my guess is). That's not to say humour is a bad thing - you can pretty much see the arguments in favour of humour pages here and against them here, if you care – but just a "step carefully" warning. SJ has long been engaged in a low-level argument with Baseball Bugs, and I can't think of much that's less appealing on Wikipedia than the thought of simultaneous disputes with Baseball Bugs and Betacommand. – iridescent 13:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:HAU, Status, and you!

As you may know, the StatusBot responsible for maintaining the status of the Highly Active Users was taken offline. We now have a replacement in the Qui status system. This semi-automatic system will allow you to easily update your status page found at Special:Mypage/Status which the HAU page code is now designed to read from. If you are already using Qui (or a compatible) system - great! - no action is needed (other than remembering to update your status as necessary). If not, consider installing Qui. You can also manually update this status by changing the page text to online, offline, or busy. While it is not mandatory, the nature of HAU is that people are often seeking a quick answer from someone who is online and keeping our statuses up-to-date will assist with this. Note if you were previously using your /Status page as something other than a one-word status indicator, your HAU entry may have been set to "status=n" to correct display issues. Please clear this parameter if you change things to be "HAU compatible". Further questions can be raised at WT:HAU. This message was delivered by xenobot 22:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Yikes, this seems like a lot more work than its worth. I'll remain listed on HAU, but I'm not doing all this. If someone else wants to on my behalf, that's fine. I'm here when I'm here, I'm gone when I'm gone. I have enough stalkers to answer any questions that come from HAU visitors. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 22:52, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

The traditional rfa thank you message

		Thank you for the support!
		Keeper76, it is my honor to report that thanks in part to your support my third request for adminship passed (80/18/2). I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me, and I will endeovour to put my newly acquired mop and bucket to work for the community as a whole. Yours sincerly and respectfuly, TomStar81 (Talk) 03:33, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spirit In the Dark

I think you forgot to remove a template from the above. I'd thought of doing it myself but I wasn't sure that I should. --Bardin (talk) 13:37, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, oops. Thanks for the headsup, Bardin, I removed it. Feel free to clean up any of my goofs in the future :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

No worries. --Bardin (talk) 15:03, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Per: StewieGriffin! Talk

By the way, it says on the tag, Friday should have tnull'ed the template. You don't need the comment! Thanks for the offer, that article has been deleted now. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 16:25, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Psssst...

With Phillippe not always around, you're now my designated "Go-to Admin". Sorry. Couldja take a lookie at Future Man and well me whats up with the Avril Troll... or, more to the point, how we get rid of that crap? Qb | ^{your 2 cents} 18:11, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, Future Man. One of my favorite films has a character named Future Man. Brilliant movie, I daresay you should see it. It was Owen and Luke Wilson before they got all Hollywood-y. Anywho, I'll try to look over there, but no promises on speediness, I'm currently muddling through this little gem and it will probably take most of my online Wiki-time this week. That said, there are oodles of editors/admins that seem to watchlist this page, so if anyone else would like to help out QB, I'm sure she wouldn't mind.  :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:21, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The Wilson brothers are pretty hawt little specimens of humanity. Wooty McWooters on the help, though... *runs up the white flag* Qb | ^{your 2 cents} 18:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Iiinteresting. I dunno if it was the change of computers (work to home) or if someone came along and fixed it, but theres no more "Avril Troll" crap. So, score! Qb | ^{your 2 cents} 19:55, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles/Cassie Keller

Hey! Do you think the revised version is good enough to either move back to mainspace outright or move back, but merge and redirect, or should I continue working it further in userpsace? --Happy editing! Sincerely, Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles^Tally-ho! 18:19, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Hi LeGrand! Looking back at the AfD, the overriding reason for deletion was that it was a non-notable fictional character's article with no references. I see that you now have references, I would think though still that a merge would be more appropriate to the film's article, with Cassie Keller as a redirect to that page. (You advocated for a merge at the AfD, as did others that wanted to see the information saved/salvaged). You did nice work on it, btw, let me know when and where it lands and I'll delete the "usersubpage" for you after you move it. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 18:26, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Drive by comment

My "underachievers" just took two from the I don't care how they've rebranded themselves, they're still the Devil RaysTampa Bay Rays.

Also, question. But I wandered away from this window and forgot what I intended to ask, so never mind. _{TravellingCari}^{the Busy Bee} 20:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Nevermind? Never did! I had a witty response to your non-question all worked up, but wandered away...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:10, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Special Barnstar

		The Special Barnstar
		Hello there; I have seen you around all over the place whilst undertaking my Wikipedia duties, and you do such a lot of good work, and lend a lot of useful thought. Especially over at WP:RFA. In recognition of this, I feel you should be rewarded somehow. Hence this...;) Lradrama 21:38, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah shucks, thanks :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:41, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

a sincere barnstar? he's not following the rules! –xenocidic (talk) 21:43, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, Xenocidic, I am male ;). I was just showing someone my appreciation of their work in a nice starry fashion. Making Wikipedia a nice, pleasant place to work. :D Lradrama 21:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

And I think special was just as good as fashioning my own. i actually tried that once, ages ago, but nothing ever came of it :( Lradrama 21:51, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, don't mind me, i'm just making a passing reference to the barnstarmania that recently passed over this page. i had trouble finding them, keeper tried to hide them in a so-called "barnchive". he probably thinks that's clever. =) –xenocidic (talk) 21:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it's clever, I know it's clever. And not hiding them, they're here.  :) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh-hem! Mine isn't there yet! And mine was special... :'( Lradrama 22:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think the barnchive might just be for the "joking/insincere" barnstars that were created when he held the contest. So don't take offense that he hasn't added your sincere barnstar to it. Quite the opposite actually =). –xenocidic (talk) 22:47, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Haha yeah, I know, I was only joking! No offense taken. It's been a pleasure talking to you both tonight...back to RFAs, CSDs, AIVs and Noticeboards again tomorrow... ;) Lradrama 09:39, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry Lradrama, yours will go there too. I'm not sure why Xeno is calling the other one's "insincere", I think all editors should get 20 barnstars in one day :-)...I'll start a new section with yours called "Special"....Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:59, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm a thief!

Heya! I just wanted to say that the section on your userpage entitled "Some days" is spot on and I'm going to steal most of the wording for my userpage. :D KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 21:46, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Heh, I actually had to go read that section, I forgot all about it there :-) I added that a long time ago. Enjoy! Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I will! Thanks. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 21:54, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I completely endorse that sentiment. It's amazing how you'll just get totally sidetracked on some random link that takes you to some new interesting piece of knowledge. –xenocidic (talk) 22:48, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Doug Lascody AfD Snow Close

Hiya,

Apologies for bothering you, but I was wondering if I could maybe get you to reconsider the early close of the Doug Lascody AfD [1] that you made per WP:Snow. Since it was only up for two days it seems many of the regular contributors to football afds didn't get a chance to speak up, and I think that if that had happened the afd might not have ended the same way. It's been widely accepted on Wikipedia:WikiProject Football and through afd precedent that neither reserve play nor youth caps establish notability. Some recent examples: [2] [3] [4]. I'm not saying it necessarily wouldn't have ended with a keep, but all the precedents combined with the lack of many regular football contributors make me feel that it might have. I've never actually objected to a snow close before, so I'm not quite sure if I'm going about this right, and apologies if I'm not. I don't know what the correct protocol is (relisted? deletion review? kept until enough time's passed to renominate?), but since you were the closing admin I figured talking to you would be a good first step. Thank you and let me know! Vickser (talk) 22:22, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

HI Vickser, no need to apologize! I appreciate you coming here first. I will go back and look at the close I made momentarily (I have to admit, I don't remember it :-). Thanks for the link, be right back...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 13:56, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I got caught in one of these messes a few weeks ago. I think we need special admins who only do football-related stuff ;-) Tan | 39 14:00, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

That would be worse if the football-crazy admins closed the football AfDs. I close them because I could not care less about the outcomes and only interpret the debate I'm reading at any given time...Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:02, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, I looked back through that one again. I stand by my close in this case, although I should not have used the term "WP:SNOW", as you are correct Vickser that it was too early in the debate to make that determination, and I inadvertently caused confusion. My closing rationale should have read the following: "These players are too different to be bundled together in one AFD, especially because one of them, Dominic Cervi, was nominated less than a month ago". Each of the other players' pages seems to make a case for notability, based on the references in the articles, of passing "WP:BIO", which is the parent guideline to the WikiProject's "Footy" guideline. Several have MLS ties along with playing time at the professional (lower tier) level. One has been named to the US National Team. These are different enough that this AFD will not arrive at any consensus, and any or all of these, with better rationale than what's given, can be individually nominated at a later date, or bundled with other players of a closer pedigree/article state/level of notability. They are too different to be bundled." Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC).

Of course, you are welcome re-nominate any of the individuals if you feel that they really really shouldn't be part of Wikipedia. Based on other precedence, namely [[Dominic Cervi, I really don't see the debates ending in anything other than either "keep" or "no consensus" regardless of how long the debates run. Please ask if you have any further questions about my opinion, and again thank you for your civil approach to the matter (it's refreshing, especially with the "reputation" of some of the more avid football oriented Wikipedians :-) Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 14:15, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Could you take a look at this (non-joke) essay I wrote in my userspace?

I was wondering if you and Irid might take a look at this essay that I've created in my userspace regarding my criteria for adminship. I respect both of you, and would value any input you might have. I am cross-posting this to Irid's talkpage as well. Thanks, S. Dean Jameson 14:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)