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Lead section too long?

Is it OK if I remove the section on the Japanese embassy hostage crisis? That should serve to shorten it a little. Any objections? --Rcgy 20:12, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree.-- Walter Humala - Emperor of West Wikipedia| wanna Talk? 21:18, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I disagree... It doesn't add significant length and enhances the content of the article. Optionally, it could be merged into a future "history" section? Suntzu3500 05:43, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Let's move the article

as done with "Paris" to "Paris, France", lets move "Lima" to "Lima, Peru". -- Walter Humala - Emperor of West Wikipediawanna Talk? 04:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

My mistake, there was no paris article moving. -- Walter Humala - Emperor of West Wikipediawanna Talk? 04:59, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Automated Request Move

The request is based on the principal that the common denominator, per the new category UTC-5 demonstrates that cities generally have the state or province name. Take for example Ottawa which should redirect to Ottawa, Ontario and not vis-versa. This will help when categorizing cities. --CyclePat 00:39, 26 January 2007 (UTC) p.s.: I couldn't help but notice that this request has already been done. Should it be moved to Lima, Lima?

No. Lima the city is administratively the same as Lima the province and is independent (not part of) of Lima the department. --Polaron | Talk 01:31, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you may be able to also help out with these other city which I believe are from South America. Request moves. Thank you. --CyclePat 03:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Since Lima is a Capital City it doesn't need a comma and its state or country (like Los Angeles, California). So please don't move this.-- Walter Humala Godsave him! ^{(wanna Talk?)} 04:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Expanding

I've been editing this for many months, and I can't notice order nor manual of style here. So I started to order sections as in the Los Angeles, California article. That won't be easy, many subtopics are missing so please give me a hand. Thanks. -- Walter Humala Godsave him! ^{(wanna Talk?)} 04:45, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Some shocking pictures I've found

hi, I've found these pictures (from commons) of shanty towns in Lima, i don't know wheter it would be fine to add.--Andersmusician 02:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

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  New provisorical livings ascending the hill
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  Houses made of simple materials
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  Districts are formed just outside the town
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  Now equipped with electric light and bus
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  More permanent residence are formed
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  Political messages on the walls

--Andersmusician 02:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Why not? --Victor12 03:05, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Who or what is Pompeyo? (written on the walls)? AirOdyssey (Talk) 16:49, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Who knows, but it might be bad propagando to post these pictures, maybe. --201.230.6.137 19:26, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The left-most house with "Pompeyo" written on it looks like it also has "FIM" written on its side. FIM would be the Independent Moralizing Front. Perhaps Pompeyo was a candidate on their list. --Descendall (talk) 08:52, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I am sorry if I have frightened or offended someone in any way, it was not my intention. But to describe the poor living situations you have to put some pictures too. The pictures however are 10 and almost 30 years old (and not technically good). It can maybe also be dificult to get some pictures, as this is no "tourist-district" and you are recommended not to show any camera (in fact not to show anything). I guess the places do not look the same today. If you visit the same areas during diferent times you will be aware of a great activity, that in around 20 years in many cases will form a decent way of living, all depending the circumstances of course. But the first steps will be really harsh, lacking water, energy and anything. All is expansion in an uncontrollably way, for some years around 500-600 persons coming each day to Lima. (Pompeyo must by/must have been a local candidate for mayor or something like that, I do not recall, I just did choose a picture with no name of any political party on) Xauxa 07:45, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Although this is not a forum: "this is gonna happen always here" --Andersmusician VOTE 01:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

While clearly such pictures would add rich context to an understanding of the situation in Lima, I have an objection to including photos of shanty towns. For the period of I think a couple of days, the article on Lima was filled with photos that highlighted the modern parts of the city (I don't know whose they were), but they were removed. If you look at the article on Los Angeles (another city I have called home), there are only images of L.A.s grandeur, one is left to read (not see) and even then just partially, about problems like Skid Row, graffitti on every major freeway, run down neighborhoods in Compton, Inglewood, South Central, East L.A. etc. etc. Why is it that in the name of "objectivity" it is always Latin American, African, and Asian cities whose impoverished sectors must be shown, but hardly ever those of North American or European cities?

There are a great many people who use wikipedia to "visit" places they don't know about, and I guarantee you that the old adage is true, a picture truly is worth a thousand words. So we are inviting people to confirm biases that there is nothing, or hardly anything, of value in Latin American cities if we populate the article withe excessive images of urban decay and poverty. This is just anecdotal, so I am not saying the whole world works like this, but I have run into many people who think Lima is all shanty towns, and people who think that Lima lacks a financial center (i.e. it is solely an historical city, full of colonial architecture). Let's not allow them to see "evidence" that this is "true" in this article. Just a thought. Rafajs77 (talk) 20:13, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

I think it doesn't make sense to post picture which are 10, 20 or 30 years old. Lima is diferent from twenty years ago.

If someone search for Lima, they want to see how it is right now. Probably a little of history and some tourism information. --Chalaco01 (talk) 17:43, June 29 2008 (UTC)

MAS ARTICULOS Y FOTOS

BUENO CREO DE QUIEN ESTE AL ALCANCE DE PODER AGRANDAR Y EXPANDIR ESTE ARTICULO ASI MISMO COLOCARLE MAS FOTOS QUE LO HAGA PORFAVOR YA QUE OTROS ARTICULOS DE OTRAS CAPITALES TIENE MAS INFORMACION=! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 190.42.64.58 (talk • contribs).

jeje eso es facil de decir pero no de hacer --Andersmusician $ 02:24, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Please try to use English on English Wikipedia talk pages, in accordance with Wikipedia:Talk_page_guidelines

Hpdl

Translation

More articles and pics

WELL I BELIEVE SOMEONE SHOULD EXPAND THIS ARTICLE AND UPLOAD MORE PICTURES, SINCE ARTICLES FOR OTHER CAPITAL CITIES HAVE MORE INFORMATION!

haha that's easier said than done —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hpdl (talk • contribs) 16:19, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

History section

Hi, I've noticed there's no history section where I was plannig to add some historical maps. I'll try to make an effort on starting it --Andersmusician $ 02:55, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Climate Chart

Hi, I've uploaded u new version of a climate chart for Lima as a vector graphics image. Data is from climate-charts will this one be an improvement on the current one with the german text? Eric Bronder 23:56, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks much better and definately an improvement. I'm not sure about the background color, though. Something whiter might look better. Your chart features the average precipiation... could it also include the average temperature? It's nice that it includes the Köppen climate category for Lima. --Victor12 02:06, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice EricBronder but I just think the background would be better in white color, and the whole picture height reduced.--Andersmusician VOTE 04:59, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

On a second look, 7 mm is not the average precipitation. Maybe it should be 0.7 mm? --Victor12 12:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

New version uploaded. Reduced height and added averages. ErickAgain 22:39, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I would yet prefer its width to be increased, and the bar colors to a brighter non-blue color & still changing picture's frame color to gray. Hope you fill my request, thanks--Andersmusician VOTE 22:48, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

This is it for today.ErickAgain 23:16, 5 July 2007 (UTC) Same player shoots again.

Seems very good to me. Do we have a consensus for its use? Anders? --Victor12 02:48, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Speaking about climate many "city" articles have templates to show the average high/low temperatures and rainfall year round on a monthly basis. I've added this template from the New York City article's climate section as an example.--Jersey Devil 05:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Climate data for New York (Belvedere Castle, Central Park), 1991–2020 normals, extremes 1869–present
Month	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Year
Record high °F (°C)	72 (22)	78 (26)	86 (30)	96 (36)	99 (37)	101 (38)	106 (41)	104 (40)	102 (39)	94 (34)	84 (29)	75 (24)	106 (41)
Mean maximum °F (°C)	60.4 (15.8)	60.7 (15.9)	70.3 (21.3)	82.9 (28.3)	88.5 (31.4)	92.1 (33.4)	95.7 (35.4)	93.4 (34.1)	89.0 (31.7)	79.7 (26.5)	70.7 (21.5)	62.9 (17.2)	97.0 (36.1)
Mean daily maximum °F (°C)	39.5 (4.2)	42.2 (5.7)	49.9 (9.9)	61.8 (16.6)	71.4 (21.9)	79.7 (26.5)	84.9 (29.4)	83.3 (28.5)	76.2 (24.6)	64.5 (18.1)	54.0 (12.2)	44.3 (6.8)	62.6 (17.0)
Daily mean °F (°C)	33.7 (0.9)	35.9 (2.2)	42.8 (6.0)	53.7 (12.1)	63.2 (17.3)	72.0 (22.2)	77.5 (25.3)	76.1 (24.5)	69.2 (20.7)	57.9 (14.4)	48.0 (8.9)	39.1 (3.9)	55.8 (13.2)
Mean daily minimum °F (°C)	27.9 (−2.3)	29.5 (−1.4)	35.8 (2.1)	45.5 (7.5)	55.0 (12.8)	64.4 (18.0)	70.1 (21.2)	68.9 (20.5)	62.3 (16.8)	51.4 (10.8)	42.0 (5.6)	33.8 (1.0)	48.9 (9.4)
Mean minimum °F (°C)	9.8 (−12.3)	12.7 (−10.7)	19.7 (−6.8)	32.8 (0.4)	43.9 (6.6)	52.7 (11.5)	61.8 (16.6)	60.3 (15.7)	50.2 (10.1)	38.4 (3.6)	27.7 (−2.4)	18.0 (−7.8)	7.7 (−13.5)
Record low °F (°C)	−6 (−21)	−15 (−26)	3 (−16)	12 (−11)	32 (0)	44 (7)	52 (11)	50 (10)	39 (4)	28 (−2)	5 (−15)	−13 (−25)	−15 (−26)
Average precipitation inches (mm)	3.64 (92)	3.19 (81)	4.29 (109)	4.09 (104)	3.96 (101)	4.54 (115)	4.60 (117)	4.56 (116)	4.31 (109)	4.38 (111)	3.58 (91)	4.38 (111)	49.52 (1,258)
Average snowfall inches (cm)	8.8 (22)	10.1 (26)	5.0 (13)	0.4 (1.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.1 (0.25)	0.5 (1.3)	4.9 (12)	29.8 (76)
Average extreme snow depth inches (cm)	5.8 (15)	7.9 (20)	4.4 (11)	0.4 (1.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.0 (0.0)	0.4 (1.0)	3.7 (9.4)	12.3 (31)
Average precipitation days (≥ 0.01 in)	10.8	10.0	11.1	11.4	11.5	11.2	10.5	10.0	8.8	9.5	9.2	11.4	125.4
Average snowy days (≥ 0.1 in)	3.7	3.2	2.0	0.2	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.0	0.2	2.1	11.4
Average relative humidity (%)	61.5	60.2	58.5	55.3	62.7	65.2	64.2	66.0	67.8	65.6	64.6	64.1	63.0
Average dew point °F (°C)	18.0 (−7.8)	19.0 (−7.2)	25.9 (−3.4)	34.0 (1.1)	47.3 (8.5)	57.4 (14.1)	61.9 (16.6)	62.1 (16.7)	55.6 (13.1)	44.1 (6.7)	34.0 (1.1)	24.6 (−4.1)	40.3 (4.6)
Mean monthly sunshine hours	162.7	163.1	212.5	225.6	256.6	257.3	268.2	268.2	219.3	211.2	151.0	139.0	2,534.7
Percent possible sunshine	54	55	57	57	57	57	59	63	59	61	51	48	57
Average ultraviolet index	2	3	4	6	7	8	8	8	6	4	2	1	5
Source 1: NOAA (relative humidity and sun 1961–1990; dew point 1965–1984)
Source 2: Weather Atlas.

Sea temperature data for New York

Month	Jan	Feb	Mar	Apr	May	Jun	Jul	Aug	Sep	Oct	Nov	Dec	Year
Average sea temperature °F (°C)	41.7 (5.4)	39.7 (4.3)	40.2 (4.5)	45.1 (7.3)	52.5 (11.4)	64.5 (18.1)	72.1 (22.3)	74.1 (23.4)	70.1 (21.2)	63.0 (17.2)	54.3 (12.4)	47.2 (8.4)	55.4 (13.0)

Image for deletion

File:1316535-1.jpg

anybody looking for take this pic again?

Just to let you know Image:1316535-1.jpg has been nominated for deletion at commons.--Andersmusician VOTE 02:33, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Can someone 'retake' this picture? is taken from a building or maybe from an airplane? Which picture shall we use as main skyline image in the infobox. ErickAgain 22:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I suggest we remove the satellite image also. It's credits say it's a NASA picture but i'm sure it's been edited to include the text "Lima Golf Club". No need to include that on the image. It's not a picture of the center of town either. What's the relevance to include Lima Golf Club in the Lima article (twice) anyway?--ErickAgain 22:51, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, seems like undue weight. --Victor12 23:53, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Maps in the infobox

File:Location of Lima in Peru.svg

Location of Lima within South America

File:Location of Lima in Peru variant 1.svg

Location of Lima with Peru

I don't think we should have two maps on the infobox. As far as I know every city article has just one map of the city itself and its inmediate surroundings, not of the whole country. What does everybody else thinks? --Victor12 21:25, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, just one locator map of lima within its surroundings. Btw, this will not be the current map, because this one shows Lima Province and Callao within Lima Region. Both Lima prov. and Callao region are not part of Lima reg.--ErickAgain 22:12, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you came out with this because of matters of space, I propose to create a map showing both scales (country & regional). Example image:Map_of_Florida_highlighting_Miami.png --Andersmusician VOTE 17:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The problem is that, as Eric pointed out, Lima is not part of the Lima Region. A map of the province of Lima would be enough, I think. --Victor12 18:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

You're right on that, although I think some map like this one of Miami shows some spatial reference for people who don't know where Lima met area is.--Andersmusician VOTE 00:22, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree, we can use the lower left pacific part of a lima province map for showing a small detail map of peru showing the location of Lima within Peru.--ErickAgain 13:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Based on the locator map on the Peru article this is a first attempt for a similar one for Lima.--ErickAgain 22:25, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Nice, however I think it would be better to reduce border thickness & reduce circle's size --Andersmusician VOTE 02:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Next try: SouthAm mini-locator map among other changes--ErickAgain 20:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Looks great, though I'm not sure if we should use a map of South America instead of a map of Peru. --Victor12 20:11, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Choice of two, changed mini locator map to peru map.--ErickAgain 20:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I like the second one better. It seems more appropiate to locate the city within the country rather than the whole region. The locator box within Peru looks quite accurate. Great job! Let's see now what other people think --Victor12 20:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I think this is excellent, maybe one little more addition: adding a coastal border of the mini Peru.--Andersmusician VOTE 16:17, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

As in "adding the Pacific Ocean" or as in "adding maritime borders with neighboring countries"? --Victor12 16:31, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

oops, the second one, adding maritime borders of Chile & Ecuador--Andersmusician VOTE 17:41, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

That might be somewhat contentious, check Chilean-Peruvian Maritime Dispute of 2006--2007. --Victor12 18:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Sorry I would've never meant to have maritime borders, instead just the coast of neighbooring countries, so basic spatial reference remains --Andersmusician VOTE 00:12, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Lima Metropolitan Area

Another article on Lima Lima Metropolitan Area, should these be merged?--ErickAgain 00:06, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

I personally think not, most large cities' articles have another one on its met. area, since it incorporated other locations which formally don't include the city jurisdiction. However this may be tricky since there are not much legatlities here I think --Andersmusician VOTE 00:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

Slums picture

I don't really think it should be there. Most city-articles don't have pictures of their bad areas. I think there was a similar problem with the article on Santiago (Chile) and their slum picture was removed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.230.242.19 (talk • contribs) 03:50, July 21, 2007 (UTC).

I removed the pic, if you feel to discuss post here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.230.242.19 (talk • contribs) 00:26, July 29, 2007 (UTC).

Actually, the discussion at Talk:Santiago, Chile#Picture of poor Neighborhood failed to reach any consensus. It seems the pic was removed by an IP acting on his own. As for this article, I think the slums pic is important as it shows a relevant part of Lima and its history. Also, the article deals with slums or pueblos jóvenes in several sections: History, Demographics and Districts. Thus, being an important matter, I fail to see why such a pic should be removed. --Victor12 18:34, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Sulms might not have been notable in Santiago's article but are extremely important in this one, these concentrate more than half Lima's population --Andersmusician VOTE 04:11, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, according to recent studies, Lima's poverty % is now 40%+, now above 50 like it was 10 years ago, plus the slums in Lima are nothing like they used to be a few decades ago. Slums like the ones shown in the picture are still common in Lima, but nowhere as common as they used to be 20 years ago. So I think these pictures should be there. But anyway, that's just my opinion.Gustav1993 VOTE —Preceding comment was added at 21:48, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, this is an encyclopedia, not a travel guidebook or PromPeru. Articles should show the good, the bad and the ugly facts.Hpdl —Preceding comment was added at 16:12, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that we should white wash the fact that Peru is a poor country. That being said, the discription page for the photo that was added mentions that the area that was photographed is currently vastly different than it was at the time the picture was taken, which was over a decade ago. Having a picture of a poor area is fine, but ideally it would be an up-to-date photo. --Descendall (talk) 19:34, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

I think the picture should be removed. It's been more than 10 years this picture was taken. The article in demographics clearly explains about the pueblos jovenes, so if people want more information about it, they would find it better in the pueblos jovenes article.--User:Soydeaqui (talk) 10 January, 2008

On the contrary, the fact that the Demographics section deals with pueblos jovenes is a good reason to put the slums pic. Pics in Wikipedia are used to illustrate the accompanying text. --Victor12 (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Then, it would also be better to put more pics to ilustrate more about Lima's demographics and expand it, and also to get a more up to date picture since it might probably look more urban today. Besides, this same pic is also in the pueblos jovenes article. --Soydeaqui (talk) 19:07, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

There's not enough text to put more pics in this section. Slums are up to this day a representative part of Lima, thus it makes sense to have such a pic in the article. --Victor12 (talk) 19:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe then that it would be a good idea to expand this article since the demographics in Lima are complex. Even though slums might be a representative part of Lima, it is not the only representative part alone, so it would be a good idea to show the reader more. --Soydeaqui (talk)

Feel free to expand this article. Just try to use references for your info. As for the readers, the article currently has pics of several different parts of Lima so I don't think anybody is being misled by one slum pic. --Victor12 (talk) 19:59, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Some users are repeatedly removing the slums picture (thanks Victor12 for reverting). They seem to be new, so we'll assume good faith and ask them to please stop. If you want to get the pic removed and have good arguments for it, please feel free to comment on this talk page so that we can reach consensus. Hugo (talk) 13:05, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't know like someone can be so stupid of thinking that Lima is a Slum in great part —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.40.202.128 (talk) 20:53, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

I have had to semi-protect this article which has already been semi-protected in the past by Ryulong due to this persistent long-term edit warring by IPs. This has been happening for months now.--Jersey Devil (talk) 04:41, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a news outlet

Why is this article tagged with "This article documents a current event". Lima is not a current event. They had an earthquake tonight, one of hundreds in the country's history, but only one other is mentioned in this article. Why is tonight's so significant? Because it is the fist major one since Wikipedia was invented? Why is there no mention of the 1974 earthquake, which was worse than this one? Why do you feel the need to be the first to update this page with this breaking news? Does it make you feel important? And why on Earth would anyone include the canceled tsunami warning in this article? This isn't CNN - in a month, no one will remember the canceled tsunami warning, yet you feel it needs to be in the Lima article as part of Lima's history? You people who feel it so necessary to update Wikipedia articles as soon as you can with breaking news stories do a great disservice to these articles. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gr8deadfan75 (talk • contribs) 04:28, August 15, 2007 (UTC).

I agree, if anything it should have a short mention but not it's own section as it did before and which I have removed. That kind of "breaking news" is meant for Wikinews not Wikipedia.--Jersey Devil 05:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Marriott Hotel??

Larco Museum. Housed in a viceroyal mansion atop a pre-Columbian pyramid. Lima, Peru.

Is it really necessary to have a picture of the Marriott Hotel on this page? It seems more like an advertisement to me. I don't think the Marriott Hotel holds much significance to Miraflores or Lima in general other than being the target of bombings a few years back. The Larco Museum in Pueblo Libre is a unique place in Lima. The museum itself sits atop a pre-Columbian pyramid and is housed in an 18th century colonial. The museum also hosts the largest private collection of pre-columbian art in the world. I find this much more significant than and American hotel chain. Any thoughts? Here's the picture I'm thinking of posting---> Lyndsayruell 21:29, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the Marriott pic is not necessarily the best one for this section. However, I don't think the Larco Museum pic is appropriate either. The Marriott pic is in the "Districts" section, a pic of a museum does not represent anything on how Lima districts are. Lima museums are mentioned in the "Culture" section, that's were such a pic should go. But, as you can see, that section is already filled up with pics. --Victor12 04:41, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

the information posted for lima, peru is wrong someone needs to fixed because i'am from peru so I know lots of stuff please they need to fixed it —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.211.120 (talk) 22:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

THEY NEED TO FIX THE ARTILCE EVERYTHING IS WRONG I'M FROM PERU SO I KNOW THEY DON'T CALL MY COUNTRY THE CITY OF KINGS AND THE MOTTO IS NOT THE THE MOTTO FOR PERU IS SOMOS LIBRES SEREMOS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.46.211.120 (talk) 22:23, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

3D images of Latinamerica - ca. 100 images of Lima

Perhaps it would be worth to insert an external link reference to the website 3dlatinamerica.com. There are a lot of excellent images of Lima in 3 Dimensions.

Regards.

Michael —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.218.157.212 (talk) 19:15, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

• We're sorry but Wikipedia is WP:NOT a soapbox for 3d-lenses galleries. user:andersmucician —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.42.233.135 (talk) 01:40, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Main Picture

Hi, I want to propose people to find a more suitable pic for the Main Infobox, since the one currently there blurry and buildings are very dark, guess pic was shot at at relatively bad moment of the day. Do you you think we still need a skysline, or an image of important spots?--Andersmusician VOTE 20:42, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

• check out these I found--Andersmusician VOTE 20:48, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Large area pics

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  Ye olde Acho Bullring
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  Paseo de los Héroes Navales
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  San Cristobal
• 
  Abancay Av.

Landmark pics

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  Plaza SanMartin
• Lima Cathedral (2)
  Lima Cathedral (2)
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  Cathedral Dusk (3)

I agree, we need a better pic. The Abancay avenue pic is quite nice but I'm not sure if it should go in the infobox. The problem with the large area pics is that none of them show the full complexity of the city. A wider shot might be required for that, maybe something like the Acho pic. Unfortunately, this pic is kind of blurry. So until we get a better panoramic picture I think we should use one of the landmark ones. Maybe the Cathedral, it is one of the earliest buildings of the city (even if it has been rebuilt several times) and it looks quite nice. --Victor12 (talk) 21:19, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

well, actually really big cities show certain parts only in main INFOBOX pic (the most notable place, or theme: see New York(Any tall building), Moscow(Kremlin), [[Sao Paulo(tall buildings[new theme over favelas])]]) but yeah meanwhile we could use landmark since Lima isnt the same everywhere. I propose "Plaza de Armas", just think the church may not be neutral (religion)--Andersmusician VOTE 03:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

I find none of the proposed pictures suitable...and given only these options would prefer the blurry photo of the dark buildings. Someone must have a skyline shot somewhere! I am especially opposed to the shot of the Cerro San Cristobal. Previously I ranted :) that it seems like a double standard to me that to be "objective" slums must be shown in pages of Latin American cities, but there is no such concern regarding European or North American cities. El Cerro San Cristobal is not representative of Lima in any meaningful way. Perhaps the Plaza San Martin shot, but it would be a second choice to any skyline shot...just my opinion. Rafajs77 (talk) 00:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

yes its true , a skyline would be deftinively better user:andersmusician--201.230.5.86 (talk) 15:57, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Slums?

Several arguments have been made about displaying all aspects of Lima, including shanty towns. I have been critical of this, and I know that there is merely 1 picture of slums in the outskirts of Lima...so not a big deal in the grand scheme, but I went exploring.

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NOT ONE photo of a slum...NOT ONE. My point of contention is simple, people already know that Latin America is a developing region, many, I'm sure, would look up Lima EXPECTING to find photos of misery...what would be informative would be to show them that this is not always the case, or not even mostly the case. Any thoughts? Rafajs77 (talk) 09:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The article has a wide variety of pics showing different aspects of the city. Slums are an important part Lima, lots of people leave in them. Thus, they should be shown, not hidden in an encyclopedic article. Remember this is not a travel guide. --Victor12 (talk) 15:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey Victor! I agree that the article shows a variety of aspects of the city of Lima. I think this is good. Though I don't know what the comment about the "travel guide" is about, since travel guides show shanty towns too (see Lonely Planet). I guess I am uncomfortable with the notion that we are somehow holding to standards for wikipedia when there are so many examples of places where you DON'T see what we show here. Add to the above list: London, Paris, New York City, Los Angeles, Seattle, Shanghai, Johannesburg, Sucre, Brasilia, Guadalajara, Medellin, Sao Paolo, and even other cities in Peru like Arequipa, Trujillo and Chiclayo...NOT ONE photo of a slum, or an economically run-down area. Rafajs77 (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Then the problem is in those articles, not in this one. Hopefully they will be held accountable for the missing pics when they try to run for featured article status. Greetings, --Victor12 (talk) 16:56, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Victor is correct. And furthermore anyone who has been behind removing those pics for the last few months should stop it immediately. It is basically long-term abuse that has given us all headaches in trying to deal with it.--Jersey Devil (talk) 18:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

O.K. I think I can be at peace with that, but I know that many people who contribute to this page also contribute to pages for other Latin American countries (and other countries around the world generally) and thus I hope that when you have ocassion you hold those other places to the same standard that you do so. I have no photographs of that sort to add, but I imagine there must be some already uploaded. Oh, and I agree that deletions without consultation are innane and rude. Rafajs77 (talk) 20:14, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Where's the slum picture? Victor you talk a lot of sense, this isn't a travel guide. Someone mentioned Paris and London...seriously, these cities barely have what you'd call 'slums' so it's not surprising there's no pics in the articles. As far as New York or Los Angeles, they have their very own articles on crime which I would think more than evens things up. Power Society (talk) 00:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Here's the pic Lima#Demographics. Thanks for your comments. --Victor12 (talk) 00:50, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

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Hola, como estan todos amigos de wikipedia, soy peruano primeramente y la verdad muy enamorado de esta bella ciudad (donde naci)revisando la version inglesa sobre Lima la verdad que me parece deficiente, como que falta mas informacion, por mi parte trato de expandirla, pero me gustaria que la mejoren, otro asunto que la verdad me indigna es que pongan demasiadas fotos de los asentamientos humanos, segun ellos es una parte representativa de la ciudad, yo creo que toda ciudad tiene sus problemas, pero de ahi a querer resaltar lo malo, la verdad que hasta es denigrante, no se si seran personas antiperuanas(por los comentarios) , Lima tiene lugares tan bonitos comp ara presentar a ver si pueden poner mas fotos en la version inglesa y la tratan de expandir, Muchas Gracias —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.60.255.62 (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

use english my friend--190.43.242.145 (talk) 03:02, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

BTW: there's only ONE single bad/ugly picture in the article XD --190.43.242.145 (talk) 03:04, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't even try (Ni intentes)...the photos of the shanty town stays, because as it has been explained to me (after my various rants), they are presenting the totality of Lima in this article. However, if you're the person responsible for some of the photo additions...I think I like them. Including the collage in the infobox. Rafajs77 (talk) 03:43, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

It's false that a great part of Lima are full of slums, nowadays Lima has am important medium class, even though slums has been improving now are medium class districts, neighborhoos like North Lima, Los Olivos, Comas Ancon which you say that are fulkl of slums are nice districts, also Lima has a good number of wealthy districts, San Iisdro, Miraflores, Chaclacayo, Cienguilla, San borja, La Molina, and south Lima. is for that reason I PUT A BETTER PICTURE. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.60.255.62 (talk) 13:54, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

I've blocked the user for 1 month and will be giving 3 month blocks to IPs who edit war on this article from now on. We don't have to deal with this.--Jersey Devil (talk) 16:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

        you are a foreigner, not a peruvian, you don´'t know more my country than me, liar!!!!

i would like to put a better pic ok!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.43.147.153 (talk) 19:26, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Article Semi-Protected Indefinitely

Because of persistent edit warring by what seems to be one user on multiple IPs I've indefinitely semi-protected the article. Sorry to all the new and unregistered users, if you have any suggestions on how we should change the article please discuss below, however user's shouldn't have to put up with persistent vandalism that has continued over the span of several months.--Jersey Devil (talk) 10:20, 16 June 2008 (UT

ONLY IF YOU UNDERSTAND SPANISH YO SINCERAMENTE NO SE QUE INTERES TIENES DE DENOIGRAR UNA CIUDAD QUE NO CONOCES BASURA PRIMERO CONOCE ANTES DE PONER ESTUPIDECES COMO MOSTRAR AL MUNDO THAT LIMA IS FULL OF SLUMS, DON'T SPEND YOUR TIME DOING THAT, IF YOU ARE A PERUVIAN(ONLY IF YOU ARE) I TELL YOU THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU IS UNNECESSARY IN THE WORLD