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I guess I am also expressing my ignorance of philosophy, but I didn't think idealism and relativism really went together. Likewise relativism and reductionism. Also, I thought the opposite of idealism was materialism. I admit I am ignorant, but I look to an encyclopedia to educate me. Perhaps these arguments could be spelled out more clearly. SR |
I guess I am also expressing my ignorance of philosophy, but I didn't think idealism and relativism really went together. Likewise relativism and reductionism. Also, I thought the opposite of idealism was materialism. I admit I am ignorant, but I look to an encyclopedia to educate me. Perhaps these arguments could be spelled out more clearly. SR |
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I couldn't agree more, SR! "Where's the beef?" as they used to say in the 80s. I can confirm that it is a philosophical term, however. --[[LMS]] |
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The article claims:
- Some irrealists have adopted a militancy uncharacteristic of members of other philosophical tendencies and put irrealist theories into practice.
I doubt this. What does it mean to "put irrealist theories into practice"? Please do explain. I would suspect that this is what some numbskull musicians say they do, but that when they "put irrealist theories into practice" they evince no understanding of those theories at all. I've had graduate courses that went into considerable depth regarding the realism/anti-realism/irrealism (and pseudo-realism) debates, and I really haven't got a clue as to what it means to say to put irrealism into practice.
I've asked this before and received no good answer. I'm going to remove it from the article until the point is explained further. --LMS
Here's the paragraph in question:
- Some irrealists have adopted a militancy uncharacteristic of members of other philosophical tendencies and put irrealist theories into practice. The obscure history of irrealism in music includes the hardcore band Suine Anget and a few hardcore bands in Italy which espoused the principles of irrealism in their lyrics.
If "irrealism" is as the article claims a "philosophical" term, then -- as an otherwise disinterested reader -- I would appreciate a reference to a few philosophers (rathe than just a rock-band) who have made this argument. It would also be useful to know what their specific argument against realism on the other hand, and idealism/relativism/reductionism on the other.
I guess I am also expressing my ignorance of philosophy, but I didn't think idealism and relativism really went together. Likewise relativism and reductionism. Also, I thought the opposite of idealism was materialism. I admit I am ignorant, but I look to an encyclopedia to educate me. Perhaps these arguments could be spelled out more clearly. SR
I couldn't agree more, SR! "Where's the beef?" as they used to say in the 80s. I can confirm that it is a philosophical term, however. --LMS