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This page is for nominations to appear in the "Did you know" section on the Main Page.

Instructions

Using a DYK suggestion string (see below examples), list new suggestions in the candidate entries section below under the date the article was created or the expansion began (not the date you submit it here), with the newest dates at the top. Any user may nominate a DYK suggestion; self-nominations are permitted and encouraged. Thanks for participating and please remember to check back for comments on your nomination.

DYK criteria

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How to list a new nomination

Please use one of the strings below to post your DYK nomination, using the "author" and "nominator" fields to identify the users who should receive credit for their contributions if the hook is featured on the main page.

1. Nom without image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= }}
2. Nom with image: {{subst:NewDYKnom | article= | hook=... that ? | author= | image= | caption= }}

   To include more than one new or expanded article in a single hook: |article2= |article3= |article4= | (etc)

   To include more than one author: |author2= |author3= | (etc)

   To include alternate hooks: |ALT1= |ALT2= | (etc)

   To add a comment: |comment=

   To add the article you reviewed: |reviewed=

Do not wikilink the article title, or the author username field; the template will wikilink them automatically. Do wikilink the article title in the hook field, however.
Do not add a section heading if you are using the template; the template will add one for you.
Do not include a signature (~~~~) after the template.
Do not use non-free images in your hook suggestion.

An example of how to use the template is given below. Full details are at {{NewDYKnom}}:

{{subst:NewDYKnom
 | article       = Example
 | status        = new<!--(or) expanded-->
 | hook          = ... that this [[article]] is an '''[[example]]''' ''(pictured)''?
 | author        = User
 | nominator     =
 | image         = Example.png
 | rollover      = An example image
 | comment       =
}}

• Note that you should only use one of the above templates for the original hook. If you want to suggest a second, alternative hook for the same article submission, just type it in manually. The above templates output useful code for each submission and if you employ them for alternative hooks, you will mess up the page formatting.
• When saving your suggestion, please add the name of the suggested article to your edit summary.
• Please check back for comments on your nomination. Responding to reasonable objections will help ensure that your article is listed.
• If you nominate someone else's article, you can use {{subst:DYKNom}} to notify them. Usage: {{subst:DYKNom|Article name|September 28}} Thanks, ~~~~

How to review a nomination

Any editor who was not involved in writing/expanding or nominating an article may review it by checking to see that the article meets all the DYK criteria (long enough, new enough, no serious editorial or content issues) and the hook is cited. Editors may also alter the suggested hook to improve it, or may suggest new hooks.

If you want to confirm that an article is ready to be placed on a later update, or note that there is an issue with the article or hook, you may use the following symbols (optional) to point the issues out:

Symbol	Code	DYK Ready?	Description
	{{subst:DYKtick}}	Yes	No problems, ready for DYK
	{{subst:DYKtickAGF}}	Yes	Article is ready for DYK, with a foreign-language or offline hook reference accepted in good faith
	{{subst:DYK?}}	Query	DYK eligibility requires that an issue be addressed. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYK?no}}	Maybe	DYK eligibility requires additional work. Notify nominator with {{subst:DYKproblem|Article}}
	{{subst:DYKno}}	No	Article is either completely ineligible, or else requires considerable work before becoming eligible

Please consider using {{subst:DYKproblem|Article|header=yes|sig=yes}} on the nominator's talk page, in case they do not notice that there is an issue.

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Candidate entries

Articles created/expanded on September 6

Ilyushin Il-22 (1947)

• ... that the prototype of the Soviet Il-22 jet bomber made the first ever Soviet jet-assisted take-off on 7 February 1948 with a pair of SR-2 boosters?

Created by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 08:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Roppongi Hills Mori Tower

• ... that a six-year-old boy was killed after his head was crushed in a revolving door at the entrance of Roppongi Hills Mori Tower (pictured)?

Created by Torsodog (talk). Self nom at 06:38, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Cook Island, New South Wales

• ... that the marine surrounding Cook Island, New South Wales, Australia is an important area of shark habitat?

Created by Alex Douglas (talk). Self nom at 05:34, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Pogopalooza

• ... that Pogopalooza is the world championship of stunt pogo and that competitors perform back-flips ?

Created by Smartse (talk). Self nom at 02:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

HAWAII MR1

• ... that the HAWAII MR1 mapping system was used to find the USS Yorktown, a shipwreck 17,000 feet underwater?

Created by Hardtofindaname (talk). Self nom at 04:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date, refs Ok. Materialscientist (talk) 04:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 5

Robert Cooke (officer of arms)

• ... that as Clarenceux King of Arms, Robert Cooke arranged the state funeral of Sir Philip Sidney?

Created by PKM (talk). Self nom at 05:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

List of Panamanian monkey species

File:File-Squirrel monkey1-cropped.jpg

• ... that the range of the Central American Squirrel Monkey (pictured) within Panama has been reduced, and no longer includes its type locality of David?

Created by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 01:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• –Juliancolton | ^Talk 02:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Automatic Complaint-Letter Generator

• ... that the Automatic Complaint-Letter Generator generates complaint letters that are "general enough to be true or fit anyone and everyone, yet specific enough to mean something"?

Created by Cunard (talk). Self nom at 23:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Loy F. Weaver

• ... that retired banker and former Louisiana legislator Loy F. Weaver was as an FBI agent cited five times for outstanding performance and personal bravery by Director J. Edgar Hoover?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 22:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Murba Party

• ... that in the midst of the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, the Indonesian Murba Party pledged to send volunteers to Cuba?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 21:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Demetrius the Chronographer

• ... that Josephus used the chronicles of Demetrius the Chronographer for his Antiquities of the Jews and adopted his chronological system?

Created by A ntv (talk). Self nom at 21:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Names in Marble

• ... that the film based on the novel Names in Marble is the most successful film in Estonia regarding box office profits?

Created by Alarichus (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Date, length, fact and refs all check out. J Milburn (talk) 22:26, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Hubert D. Humphreys

• ... that the Louisiana oral historian Hubert D. Humphreys was a charter member of the faculty at Louisiana State University in Shreveport?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 20:52, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Ref checked  Francium12  22:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Nan Vernon

• ... that Nan Vernon provided the end credit music of both of Rob Zombie's Halloween films and has been noted for being part of the the "singer-songwriter trend" of women nurturing folk music's rebirth.?

Created by A Nobody (talk). Self nom at 20:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Commonwealth Edison Co. v. Montana

• ... that Montana's 30 percent tax on coal production, upheld in Commonwealth Edison Co. v. Montana, was once called "the most significant piece of legislation enacted in Montana in this century"?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 18:45, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Which century? Otto4711 (talk) 22:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• "What century" is quite clear in the article. But the hook would be too long to make clear that it's the 20th century. - Tim1965 (talk)

List of Students' Unions in the United Kingdom

• ... that that St Andrews Students' Association is the oldest students' union in the United Kingdom?

Created by Francium12 (talk). Self nom at 18:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• 1289 characters of prose. The bulleted part doesn't count. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 00:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

List of accidents and incidents involving the Vickers Viscount

• ... that Vickers Viscount G-ALWE (pictured) crashed on approach to Ringway Airport, Manchester when a bolt on the starboard flap mechanism failed?

Created by Mjroots (talk). Self nom at 18:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• That is some impressive sandbox work  Francium12  22:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• 107 characters of prose. The bulleted part doesn't count. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 00:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• I "shot" the bullets, should be OK now. Mjroots (talk) 05:25, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

BSA Thunderbolt

• ... that the 1964 British BSA Thunderbolt motorcycle was capable of over 100 mph?

Created by Thruxton (talk). Self nom at 16:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

John Carpenter (game show contestant)

• ... that John Carpenter was the first top-prize winner in Who Wants to Be a Millionaire?

Expanded by Kubek15 (talk). Self nom at 14:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• According to the article's history, it has not been edited since August 22, and the nominator's last contribution to it was made on April 10. LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 15:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
• and the article has no references whatsoever. Materialscientist (talk) 04:31, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Siegfried Palm

• ... that Siegfried Palm (1927–2005), a German cellist who inspired composers, (head of Hochschule für Musik Köln, Intendant of Deutsche Oper Berlin,) appeared (as a music teacher) in the 1982 German film Doktor Faustus....?

• Comment: way too long, () indicating possible shortening, completely unbelievable, especially that no article existed for him so far, smile

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk), Michael Bednarek (talk). Self nom at 14:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• There are a lot of problems, but since this is your first DYK we'll give you time to work on them. First of all, the hook is far too long and detailed, and all the things in parentheses should be removed (particularly the dates; hooks generally do not list birth and death dates). The rule of thumb is not to cram as many facts as you can into a hook, because it makes it cluttered and uninteresting; rather, choose one interesting fact and attempt to bring it out as well as possible. Another possible problem is that the only source for this hook fact is an IMDB page, which may not be a reliable source (there is debate on this; some people say IMDB should be considered reliable for cast lists but not for other biographical information). Also, the hook is not formatted correctly; relevant terms need to be linked (most importantly, there needs to be a link to the article itself) and Siegfried's name needs to be bolded; see WP:DYK#The hook and Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules#Other additional rules for the hook for more information. The last problem with the hook is that it's not that interesting; all it's saying is that a famous cellist also appeared in a film. Is there anything more unique or eye-catching that he did? Finally, the last problem is that the hook has peacock terms, "inspired composers", which need to be removed.
• That's it for problems with the hook. Now, for things that need to be fixed within the article itself. I don't read German, but based on the layout this article appears to be nearly a word-for-word translation, and only three references have been added, meaning the bulk of the article is completely unreferenced. I'm sure the The Independent obituary could be used as a source for some of this article. But the bottom line is that other Wikipedia articles are never considered reliable sources, including Wikipedia articles in other languages, so if you just copy it word-for-word from German there is no way of knowing that the information is correct. I'm not sure if this article can be passed unless it is completely rewritten and references are added. If you want an example/model, take a look at Suanmeitang, which I translated from Chinese Wikipedia (zh:酸梅汤) back in December and was then featured on DYK). rʨanaɢ ^talk/_contribs 14:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• The article was accepted by my advisor who reads German, s. discussion. I'll work on improvements, but not this weekend. Forget the hook, my first one was better, Graham Waterhouse, Aug 22.--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• idea after sleeping it over: ... that 20th-century composers - Kagel, Ligeti, Xenakis ... - wrote music for cellist Siegfried Palm ... ?? compare Cello#Solo and as an example Nomos Alpha, please. (names chosen for shortness, could be Krzysztof Penderecki, Bernd Alois Zimmermann ...)--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:03, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Valère Somé

• ... that Burkinabè politician and revolutionary ideologue Valère Somé was forced into exile to Congo-Brazzaville after the overthrow of Thomas Sankara?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 13:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Leonid Rogozov

• ... that Leonid Rogozov, the sole doctor stationed at the Soviet Antarctic research station Novolazarevskaya, performed an appendectomy on himself?

Created by Serge925 (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• I rewrote the hook for better clarity. Length and reference confirmed. This is an interesting article! LargoLarry (talk) 16:16, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Arsenal Park Transilvania

• ... that the Arsenal Park Transilvania is Romania's largest outdoor theme park and one of the few military theme parks in Europe?

Created by Mario1987 (talk). Self nom at 11:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length checked. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith. Ready for DYK. LargoLarry (talk) 19:35, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Intuitive perhaps, but where is the reference for it being the largest such site in Romania? Dahn (talk) 00:18, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• Look again. Mario1987 07:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Effect of psychoactive drugs on animals

• ... that caffeinated spiders fail to build a proper web?

• Comment: Ugly hook, but my other versions fail to properly link the article. Image can be improved.

Created by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 11:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• ALT ... that after ingesting caffeine, spiders fail to build a proper web (see picture)? Johnbod (talk) 20:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

  Thanks! I can never find right phrasing at night. Materialscientist (talk) 23:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

  Since when do we use "(see picture)"? Dahn (talk) 01:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

  I have had accepted hooks with (see pictured) when it was more appropriate than (pictured). Here, (pictured) would refer to "a proper web" only, which the picture is not. Any better idea is welcome. Materialscientist (talk) 03:37, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

  Length, date and hook ok. I agree that (see picture) is better; if you used (pictured) you would have to put it after "fail", which would seem awkward. I like the left-hand picture, anything you could do to improve it would be great. I put a comma after "caffeine". PS: please link to the English language version of Google Books, not the Japanese one. Lampman (talk) 04:02, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Burkinabé parliamentary election, 1992

• ... that 94% of the Members of Parliament elected in the 1992 election in Burkina Faso were male?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 09:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook ok. Lampman (talk) 04:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Shirley Huffman

• ... that Shirley Huffman, the first female mayor of Hillsboro, Oregon, worked to change the city's charter to allow her more time in office?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 07:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length and date verified. Source for hook accepted in good faith. ceranthor 12:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Fred McQueen

• ... that Fred McQueen, the son of Steve McQueen, is in the cult movie hit 20th Century Boys 2: The Last Hope?

Created by Esemono (talk). Self nom at 07:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• The references confirm his appearance in the film, but none of them in this article or the article about the film call it a "cult" film, which is a pretty subjective term anyway. I suggest ALT1: ... that Fred McQueen, the son of Steve McQueen, is in the 20th Century Boys 2: The Last Hope, one of the most expensive Japanese films ever made? LargoLarry (talk) 15:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Actually sort of a play on words as the movie is about a cult but ALT 1 sounds good! -- Esemono (talk) 23:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Dennis Gorski

• ... that Dennis Gorski sponsored legislation in the New York State Assembly that preserved the right to declare "loss of fetus" as a serious injury in automobile accidents?

5x expanded by TonyTheTiger (talk). Self nom at 07:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Cypraea tigris

• ... that specimens of the Indo-Pacific gastropod the tiger cowry have been found at Pompeii?

5x expanded by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 04:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• comes to 1492 characters of prose; a tiny expansion, then we're there. I'd suggest amending the hook because it doesn't really scream "click me"; how about ... that specimens of tiger cowry have been found at Pompeii, where they were most likely used as ornaments? A slight improvement. Ironholds (talk) 06:30, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Gah! Miscounted! ok...expanded now. Casliber (talk · contribs) 11:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• ALT - ... that specimens of tiger cowry have been found at Pompeii, where they were most likely used as ornaments?

Charles L. Gilliland

• ... that, at seventeen years old, Charles L. Gilliland was the youngest Medal of Honor recipient of the Korean War?

5x expanded by Jwillbur (talk). Self nom at 03:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• offline reference accepted in good faith, everything else checks out. Ironholds (talk) 06:34, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ilyushin Il-40

• ... that the Soviet Il-40P ground-attack aircraft had the engine air intakes extended all the way to the tip of the nose to avoid flameouts when it fired its guns?

• ALT1:... that the first time that the prototype of the Soviet Il-40 ground-attack aircraft fired its guns in the air its pilot was temporarily blinded and both jet engines flamed out when they ingested the combustion gasses from the guns?

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 02:49, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Please wikilink the qualifying article in the hook. Shubinator (talk) 02:58, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• ALT2:... that the first time the Soviet prototype of the Ilyushin Il-40 ground-attack aircraft fired its guns in the air its pilot was temporarily blinded and both jet engines flamed out? Anotherclown (talk) 03:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

League Championship Series Most Valuable Player Award

• ... that in 2008, Cole Hamels (pictured) became the fifth player in Major League Baseball history to win the World Series MVP Award and the League Championship Series MVP Award in the same season?

• ALT1:... that Liván and Orlando Hernández (pictured), who are half-brothers, are the only family pair to win Major League Baseball's League Championship Series MVP Award?

Created by Killervogel5 (talk). Self nom at 01:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Comment: The picture for the second hook, though I can't put it in the template, is File:Orlando Hernández.jpg. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Original hook is good to go. Rlendog (talk) 19:42, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Harold H. Thompson (anarchist)

• ... that after being sentenced to life imprisonment plus 50 years for murder and expropriation, anarchist Harold Thompson had his sentence lengthened by 31 years for attempting to murder three prison officers in a failed escape attempt?

Created by Skomorokh (talk). Self nom at 00:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• All the inline citations are to one source. Could you add more? Shubinator (talk) 02:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Done -- Esemono (talk) 10:53, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Thomas Z. Morrow

• ... that although he failed to win the office himself in 1883, Thomas Z. Morrow's brother-in-law and son were both elected governor of Kentucky in 1895 and 1919, respectively?

Created by Acdixon (talk). Self nom at 14:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook ok. Lampman (talk) 04:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

LeGarrette Blount

• ... that LeGarrette Blount, a running back suspended one game into his second season of NCAA football, rushed for over 1,000 yards in one season, but under 1,000 for his two-season career?

5x expanded by Peteforsyth (talk). Self nom at 03:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• Not a fivefold expansion. Expansion started as far beck as August 19/20, when it reached 1,955 characters. It is now at 7,066, which gives ≈ 3.6 Lampman (talk) 04:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 4

Ada Jack Carver Snell

• ... that the short story writer Ada Jack Carver Snell focused on the multicultural dimension of the historic Cane River country in her native Natchitoches, Louisiana?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

:OR

• ... that the Louisiana short story writer Ada Jack Carver Snell had a French grandmother who encouraged her literary and intellectual pursuits?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:06, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Maltman Barry

• ... that Maltman Barry, a British political activist, was a friend of Karl Marx, but stood for election as a Conservative?

Created by Warofdreams (talk). Self nom at 20:22, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The Edw. Malley Co.

• ... that The Edw. Malley Co. department store existed for 130 years and was billed as "The Metropolitan Store of Connecticut"?

Created by Needscurry (talk). Self nom at 18:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

How the Scots invented the Modern World

• ... that the book How the Scots invented the Modern World: The true story of how western Europe's poorest nation created our world & everything in it was published in the UK as The Scottish Enlightenment?

• Comment: fact from 1st paragraph of "Publication" section referenced to an offline source but can be confirmed via publishers' webistes: US UK

Created by Maclean25 (talk). Self nom at 17:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• ALT: ... that the author of the American book How the Scots invented the Modern World is from the Midwestern United States and has no Scottish in his ancestral background?

Scissor Sisters (convicted killers)

• ... that the Scissor Sisters dismembered and beheaded their mother's partner, chopped off his penis and dumped most of his body in the Royal Canal?

Created by GainLine (talk), expanded by User:Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 14:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Note: He's dead by the way... --candle•wicke 14:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Communications Workers of America v. Beck

• ... that at the heart of the U.S. Supreme Court's decision in Communications Workers of America v. Beck is a dispute over a $10-a-month agency shop fee?

Created by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 13:25, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Beyond Words Publishing

• ... that Hillsboro, Oregon, based Beyond Words Publishing's first book retailed for over US$2,000, with one copy presented as a gift to the Japanese Emperor?

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 07:14, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

David Snell (journalist)

• ... that the later Life Magazine writer David Snell first revealed in 1946 that Japan had tested her own atomic bomb prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 03:07, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• approved, but I'd suggest tweaking the hook to "... that in 1946 the later Life Magazine writer David Snell was the first person to reveal that Japan had tested her own atomic bomb prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki?". Ironholds (talk) 06:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• IMHO, the phrase "later Life Magazine writer" is clumsy and slightly confusing. I would reword the hook to read "... that David Snell, who was the first person to reveal Japan had tested its own atomic bomb prior to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, later became a writer for Life Magazine?" LargoLarry (talk) 14:09, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Very close wording. For example,

Article: Snell filed a number of stories for the Constitution, both while in military training in the United States and after having arrived with the World War II occupation forces in South Korea.

Source: Snell filed a number of stories to the Constitution both while in training in the United States and after arriving with the occupation forces in Korea.

Shubinator (talk) 16:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Tasmanian Masked Owl

• ... that the Tasmanian Masked Owl is threatened by competition for nest hollows by feral bees, kookaburras and possums?

Created by Maias (talk). Self nom at 01:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Dwór (manor house)

• ... that the majority of the Polish nobility's manor houses (known as dwór or dworek) were wooden?

Created by Piotrus (talk). Self nom at 22:22, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Hook would be more interesting if it explained why most of them were wooden. Even the article fails to mention why. I suggest ALT1: ... that the architectural style of the manor houses known as dwór or dworek that evolved during the late Polish Renaissance period still inspires some contemporary Polish manors? LargoLarry (talk)

• I have no problem with the alt hook. The sources I found did not discuss the "why wooden" issue, I could speculate but... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length checked. Foreign-language reference accepted in good faith. ALT1 ready for DYK. LargoLarry (talk) 19:39, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The first hook seems stronger, imo. Asking why seems a tad unreasonable. Johnbod (talk) 20:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I don't really see what the brackets add to the hook, and they look terribly irregular - particularly since a (pictured) is supposed to come right after that (and bracket on bracket outside of maths is an eyesore). If you want the native name, why not go for it? I could suggest: manor houses, dwór manor houses, dwór manors or the plural for dwór (which for some unfathomable reason, the article doesn't mention - dwóry?). Any of these would look better. Dahn (talk) 21:54, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ney v. Landmark Education Corporation and Werner Erhard

• ... that in the lawsuit Ney v. Landmark Education Corporation and Werner Erhard, a default judgment of over US$500,000 was entered against Erhard?

Created by Cirt (talk). Self nom at 21:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Bobby Keyes (gridiron football)

• ... that CFL rookie Bobby Keyes's first career interception was also the Edmonton Eskimos' first of 2009?

5x expanded by Bobbykeyes2 (talk), DoubleBlue (talk). Nominated by Giants27 (talk) at 21:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Alt1... that after recording the Edmonton Eskimos first interception of 2009, Bobby Keyes received $1,000 in a player pool?--Giants27 (c|s) 02:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
• Alt2... that CFL rookie Bobby Keyes won a $1,000 player pool for grabbing the Edmonton Eskimos' first interception of the 2009 season?--DoubleBlue (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Voices Carry (song)

• ... that the song "Voices Carry" was originally written and sung by 'Til Tuesday's lead singer, Aimee Mann, to a woman?

Created by Frcm1988 (talk). Self nom at 21:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Albert Pape

• ... that Clapton Orient footballer Albert Pape travelled to a match against Manchester United in February 1925 and ended up scoring against his previous employers that day?

5x expanded by PeeJay2K3 (talk). Self nom at 20:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Alternative: ... that while playing for Clapton Orient, footballer Albert Pape scored against former club Manchester United during a match in February 1925? GiantSnowman 21:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

No no, he was a Clapton Orient player on the morning of the game, but signed for Manchester United an hour before kick-off and scored against Orient in the match. I can see why that would have been confusing, though, and that's why I asked for help with the hook. It's not easy to fit something like this into 200 characters! – PeeJay 23:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Haha, oh right - you're right, very confusing! GiantSnowman 19:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

ALT: ... that Albert Pape scored a goal for Manchester United against Clapton Orient, despite only having been transferred from Orient to United earlier that day? (153 characters) Jmorrison230582 (talk) 06:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, that's much better! – PeeJay 07:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that wording is much better. GiantSnowman 19:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Just as a minor change, I would like to suggest the following:

ALT: ... that Albert Pape scored a goal for Manchester United against Clapton Orient in 1925, despite only completing a transfer from Orient to United an hour before kick-off? – PeeJay 23:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Confédération générale du travail du Burkina

• ... that the F.N.B.P.B. bakery workers' union, founded in 1960, is the oldest member of the Confédération générale du travail du Burkina trade union centre in Burkina Faso?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 19:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Counsellor at Law

• ... that while filming Counsellor at Law, director William Wyler had to resort to placing cue cards around the set because lead actor John Barrymore kept forgetting his lines?

5x expanded by LiteraryMaven (talk). Self nom at 17:48, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length verified and offline hook reference accepted in good faith. OK for DYK. LargoLarry (talk) 13:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Austin Davis

• ... that Southern Miss Golden Eagles quarterback Austin Davis broke 15 different school records his redshirt freshman season?

Created by Richard (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• The word "different" seems redundant. A redshirt freshman is someone whose year as a student doesn't count against their eligibility. So if he played and broke 15 records, I don't think he was a redshirt freshman. I think he broke the records after his redshirt freshman year. It sounds from the article like that was his first year as a starter? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• He broke 15 school records in one year, which was his redshirt freshman year, which was first year as a starter. The records broken are single-game and single-season records. Richard (talk) 19:01, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• I see. So he "redshirted" in 2007 making him a redshirt freshman in 2008. Confusing, but I get it now. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Montenegrin Air Force

• ... that although the Montenegrin Air Force inherited over 40 aircraft following the dissolution of Serbia and Montenegro, currently operates only few helicopters due to insufficient funds?

Created by Eurocopter (talk). Self nom at 17:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• ALT:... that the Montenegrin Air Force inherited more than 40 aircraft after the dissolution of Serbia and Montenegro, but only operates a few helicopters due to insufficient funds? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Agree, no prob. --Eurocopter (talk) 22:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yibir

• ... that the Yibir are a Somali clan of itinerant magicians who give blessings to newborns and newly married couples?

5x expanded by Drmies (talk). Self nom at 16:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• I tweaked the lead so as to magically eliminate the commas. Revert if you don't like it, but it's much much better this way. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Bhima Devi Temple Complex

• ... that Bhima Devi Temple Complex comprises restored ruins of a Hindu temple dated from 8th to 11th century AD with an adjacent 17th century Pinjore Gardens in Haryana, India?

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 14:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• TWEAKED HOOK: ... that Bhima Devi Temple Complex in Haryana, India, includes the restored ruins of a Hindu temple dated from the 8th to 11th century AD and Pinjore Gardens from the 17th century? (What does restored ruins mean? This seems oxymoronic. I would think it could be in ruins, or restored, but not both.) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:33, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The rest of us may have too much experience of on-site restorations of ruins, (Knossos?) to disbelieve in them.--Wetman (talk) 01:08, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Sexuality in music videos

• ... that according to 1996 research of sexuality in music videos, hip-hop and R&B were greatest in the sexual variables?

Created by Brandmeister (talk). Self nom at 14:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• I tweaked the hook. What is "the" sexual variables? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Variations, variants. Could be changed, the current wording is per reference. Brand[t] 08:28, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

No doubt, and it is meaningless here and in the article without the context of that source (the lead para is a forest of dubious jargon too). Reread the source & see what they actually mean, which I suspect is something like "... that according to 1996 research into sexuality in music videos, hip-hop and R&B scored highest in an analysis of sexual content?" Johnbod (talk) 20:38, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Decltype

• ... that decltype can be used to "clean up function syntax mess" in C++ programming?

• ALT1:... that "decltype" is a portmanteau of "declared" and "type"?

Created by Decltype (talk). Self nom at 13:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Magnolia x wieseneri

• ... that the fragrance of the flowers of Magnolia x wieseneri have been likened to that of a pineapple?

Created by Casliber (talk). Self nom at 13:32, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Needs a cite for the sentence with the hook, otherwise ok. I don't know which of the sources that support the hook, so I couldn't add it myself. decltype (talk) 14:02, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• clarified - commented out text notes first ref refs whole para anyway. Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Okay. Found it in online sources too, but don't know if they're considered reliable. decltype (talk) 14:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Martha Wollstein

• ... that Martha Wollstein became the first female member of the American Pediatric Society in 1930?

Created by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 10:19, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date, fact, refs checked. Materialscientist (talk) 12:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• I rewrote the hook because its structure was clumsy. LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 18:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Selection rule

• ... that In quantum mechanics the basis for a spectroscopic selection rule is the value of the transition moment integral?

5x expanded by Petergans (talk). Self nom at 07:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• This suggestion is not just an expansion. Previously the article was tagged as in need of expert attention. I have given it just that. The bulk of the present article, Section 2 is completely new. Petergans (talk) 07:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

  Nice rewriting, but the prose expansion is 8265/2484=3.3, i.e. too far from 5, and most of the article is unreferenced. Materialscientist (talk) 08:18, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I can't do much about the prose style because of the high level of technical and mathematical content. In this context it is more important to be precise than eleoquent. Regarding references, we have been here before. The material is not recent and is covered in many books including that of Harris and Bertolucci, which covers it all in different places in the book, though I did not use all of thse when writing the article. Indeed, most of the material is covered in the other books which have been referenced in the article. How much detailed referencing is needed when expounding "standard" material in science? Petergans (talk) 16:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

On the "not just an expansion" issue, please see F2. Art LaPella (talk) 23:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I have strong compassion on this nom, and do share the point that brevity (i.e. clarity) of the article often helps DYK more than number of bytes, but I do not feel like to make exceptions on 3.3x expansion. Referencing issue I understand too, but disagree - you know that "basic quantum mechanics", I know, but the reader may not trust that. Unspoken DYK rule is at least one ref should be in every non-trivial paragraph to cover it. Materialscientist (talk) 23:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I have added page and other references so that almost all paragraphs have references. Wihout having done a word count, I believe that I have complied with the 5 times rule. Petergans (talk) 09:40, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Prose expansion 8471/2484=3.4, the rest is Ok. I can't judge this nom. Materialscientist (talk) 12:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Gwalia Gold Mine

• ... that Herbert Hoover, later to become the 31st President of the United States, was once the manager of the Gwalia Gold Mine in Western Australia?

Created by Calistemon (talk). Self nom at 00:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that U.S. President Herbert Hoover, was once the manager of the Gwalia Gold Mine in Western Australia?

• I prefer succinct hooks, but either way it's good to go. decltype (talk) 14:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 3

Cowboy Casanova

• ... that Carrie Underwood's single "Cowboy Casanova" was rush-released on YouTube after an unfinished mix of the song leaked online?

Created by CarrieFan89 (talk). Nominated by TenPoundHammer (talk) at 15:58, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Everything checks out.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 07:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Faith Bible High School

• ... that Faith Bible High School in Hillsboro, Oregon, closed for a day after a student received a message on AOL Instant Messenger?

• Comment: Should be vague enough to get lots of clicks. Aboutmovies (talk) 06:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Created by Aboutmovies (talk). Self nom at 06:07, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Date, length, refs are all fine, but. The ref which supports the hook is offline and I failed to cross-check the fact on the internet. Materialscientist (talk) 09:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: We're not playing charades here. It needs to be clearly stated that the message contained a threat, even if that gives a few less clicks. Anything else is misleading. Lampman (talk) 10:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Where exactly in the rules does it say that? Quite the opposite, the rules say it should be "short [...] and likely to draw [the] readers", which the hook meets. Regards SoWhy 13:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

If you need a rule to tell you that hooks shouldn't be misleading, then I'm afraid I can't help you. Lampman (talk) 14:38, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

While hooks don't need to summarize the article or contain complete information, leaving out that the message was a threat seems a bit too tricky. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Agree. There's also a strong likelihood that readers will assume that we are incompetent hook writers. In either case, not a good idea.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 07:08, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

IMO, the article facts should be as precise as possible, but the hook may be somewhat vague, but brief - hook is never sited itself and merely leads to information. The article should contain the hook, but not verbatim. Overly long, "precise" hooks just do not read and do not survive the review. I do respectfully disagree with Lampman on this and note that one should not enforce a policy which does not exist. That said, I would be glad to see the evidence for this hook and am uncomfortable to accept that one supporting reference (local newspaper) in good faith - everything is possible, even if that publication did exist, it might be in error, confusion, or else. Materialscientist (talk) 23:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• I would recommend that the hook have the word "threatening" added before the word "message", because it would be easy to guess anyway that the message was a threat rather than, say, a compliment or an invitation to a party, while using the phrase "a threatening message" would be a more natural way to refer to the incident than just using "a message" would be. One will still have to click through to find out what the nature of the threat was. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Add what you want, but there is nothing wrong with the existing hook. As to the source, excuse me but what is the problem? Please read through this page and you might notice which is exactly for these situations, offline sources. Also note, The Oregonian is not a local newspaper, it is a regional, top 25 circulation in the US, multiple Pulitzer Prize winning newspaper that easily passes WP:RS. The local paper is the Hillsboro Argus. But if you would really like to check, search their archives using "Hillsboro police tracking online threat against boy" and the all dates option and you can get a free preview, or more if you have access via your local library. But let's not forget AGF and our existing processes already in place at DYK in the future. Aboutmovies (talk) 07:04, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• I fail to see why you're resisting the addition of the key word "threatening" to the hook. If I read the hook as originally submitted, I would think "big deal" and move on. IMO, the fact a threat was involved adds to the intrigue and will prompt more clicks, which seems to be your chief concern. LargoLarry (talk) 14:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Resisting what? I started out with "Add what you want"! Most of the rest is about why we for some unknown reason decided to get rid of normal protocol and not accept the offline hook in good faith, and addressing an editor's implication that the source must not meet WP:RS (that would be the only reason for saying "am uncomfortable to accept that one supporting reference (local newspaper) in good faith"). But as to more intriguing, threats online happen fairly often and I have read where schools close down due to them before, thus not that intriguing to me if threat is mentioned in the hook. Whereas if I read a hook that says a school was closed because of an IM message, I'm probably going to click through to see what kind of message it was, if only to confirm it was some sort of threat. But, obviously you disagree, which we have room for. But we usually don't fail hooks because we think a different version might be more interesting, as "interestingness" is too subjective. Now, as to misleading, well most hooks would be to some extent. In order to not be misleading at all we would need to have something like "...school X closed down for one day after a student received a message on AOL IM on his home computer that said the author of the message was going to kill that student and that the student should not go to school." That's what happened, and anything less would to some extent be misleading. Do we also need to mention it was a death threat? Maybe we should also mention the threat was made to the student when the student was at home? Otherwise, as the hook was proposed: message via AOL IM received - check; school closed because of it - check. But leaving some info out is can be part of the point of the hooks we have on DYK. Some editors even encourage this. Aboutmovies (talk) 21:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Now you're being facetious. There's a vast difference between leaving out peripheral details and leaving out information that is essential to avoid a misunderstanding. The former is a practical necessity, the latter is a lie by omission. But if you agree to add "threat" then there shouldn't be a problem? I don't think it will be more intriguing that way, but neither do I believe in making the hook intriguing at the cost of veracity and reliability. I'd probably get a lot of clicks on "...that President Obama was born in Kenya?" See what I did there? I left out the word "not"! Lampman (talk) 04:51, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Checked the newspaper archives on the fact of police following the threat, can't read the rest (that the school was closed), but accept AGF. Date, length Ok. Agree with Aboutmovies on "interestingness" and thus support the hook as it stands. Materialscientist (talk) 00:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I would be very careful about implicitly lying to our readers, and trying to increase the number of hits on one particular DYK at the cost of the credibility of the project. Furthermore, the creator has already agreed to change the hook. Lampman (talk) 04:55, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

I am very careful with lies, which this one is not. What the author said was said under pressure to have the nom accepted. However, I have no hard feelings there, if the consensus is for modify, I'm fine with that. Materialscientist (talk) 06:44, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

U.S. Post Office (Peekskill, New York)

• ... that the Georgian arched windows on the Peekskill, New York, post office (pictured) are the only ones used on any Colonial Revival post office in New York built before the New Deal?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 04:14, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm not liking the hook. What about: ... that the the Peekskill, New York, post office includes Palladian windows (pictured) in its Colonial Revival design? The proposed hook seems to have too many conditions on the assertion of novelty (in New York, built before the New Deal, Colonial Revival). Adding a date might be good. I don't know what the built before the new deal part signifies? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

During the Roosevelt administration, a lot more new post offices were built than had been built before, with a lot more architects involved, as part of the relief programs. I couldn't say "before the Depression" because it was built during the Depression. Perhaps I could add "relief programs" to the end of the hook? Daniel Case (talk) 05:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comparison with Palladian window shows these are not they, in spite of the shared arch motif. Tripartite windows unified by a fanlike recessed tympanum, here typically with the radiating fluting of a patera, are elements instead of English Neoclassical architecture as practiced most familiarly by Robert Adam: see his Boat House at Kedleston, 1769, for the very same motif. That is the reference intended at the Peekskill P.O..--Wetman (talk) 01:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Appropriately reworded (and good catch! Thanks for adding the ref in the article!). Daniel Case (talk) 05:59, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Eddie Gillette

• ... that Eddie Gillette led the Wisconsin Badgers football team to an undefeated season and in baseball "beat some of the best pitchers in the 'Three-Eye League'"?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 03:34, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Off-line sources accepted in good faith.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 07:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Ockie Anderson

• ... that Buffalo's "Ockie" Anderson scored more points in the 1920 NFL season (the league's first) than four entire teams?

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 01:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

SMS Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm

• ... that SMS Kurfürst Friedrich Wilhelm, a German-built pre-dreadnought battleship, was sold to the Ottoman Empire, renamed Heireddin Barbarossa, and sunk by a British submarine during World War I?

5x expanded by Parsecboy (talk). Self nom at 23:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Only a x3 expansion by my count, sorry. Gatoclass (talk) 10:50, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Are you sure you're checking the size right? Prose at pre-expansion was just over 1mb, and when you checked it at 10:50, the prose was about 8mb (to which another 4mb has been added since). That's significantly more than 5x expansion. Parsecboy (talk) 16:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Article went from 811 to 10,049 characters, well over 5x expansion. References checked, no problems, ready for DYK. LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 18:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, but that isn't the case. this is the pre-expansion version, and it's already over 5k in size - 2k by DYKcheck - and the current version is only about 6k of prose, which is only a x3 expansion. Gatoclass (talk) 18:29, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Actually, it's been expanded further since I made the original comment, so it's now just over the x5 limit and therefore a pass. That was pretty quick work Parsecboy! Gatoclass (talk) 18:34, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Why are you confirming something I already cleared for DYK? Had you checked my math instead of disputing it, you would have seen I was right to approve it. LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 18:42, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Replied on your talk page. Gatoclass (talk) 18:56, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Not that it matters at this point, but to clear up any confusion on my part in the future, why is the revision from Sept. 1 the "pre-expansion" version? Why isn't this revision, which was what the article stood at before I started working on the article on 3 Sept.? Parsecboy (talk) 00:33, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Please see F2, which says "previously existing" not "pre-expansion". Art LaPella (talk) 06:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

9 part Tennyson hook

• ... that William Britten illustrated many images from Lord Tennyson's early poems, including: a lonely woman (pictured), a corpse, a jilted lover, drug users, an odd saint, a sleeping lady, a knight, and waves?

• Comment: 195 characters. Mariana was a history merge (see here for the timing). The rest are new articles. The hook can be found in the page on William Britten. There are images for each of the poems, but Shoemaker's Holiday has not had a chance to finish them (personal problems).

Created/expanded by Ottava Rima (talk), Juliancolton (talk), Shoemaker's Holiday (talk). Self nom at 23:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Edit war described at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Page move warring at Break, Break, Break needs to be properly resolved. --Allen3 ^talk 13:51, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• There is no edit war nor would it affect DYK. Ottava Rima (talk) 13:53, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Should the name of the poems be italicized? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:54, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

In the articles? Or where? The above DYK doesn't have their actual name but a description of their imagery. I've discovered that it is more interesting to give a short summary than just list a title (as you can have quite a bit of fun with that). :) Ottava Rima (talk) 19:41, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Dispute over Break, Break, Break is resolved, and the articles all look good. NW (Talk) 00:05, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Sir John Pelly, 1st Baronet

• ... that Sir John Henry Pelly was Governor of the Hudson's Bay Company and Governor of the Bank of England?

Created by Rosiestep (talk). Self nom at 22:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• All good. decltype (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Denial of the Temple in Jerusalem

• ... that the growing practice of denial of the Temple in Jerusalem denies that the Temple where Jesus taught ever existed?

Created by Historicist (talk). Selfnom <Historicist 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Unless I'm misreading both this article and Israeli–Palestinian history denial, it appears that "temple denial" is not necessarily a denial that the temples ever existed, but a denial that they were located in Jerusalem at the Temple Mount. As cited in this article, Arafat suggested that the temple was in Nablus. In "Israeli–Palestinian history denial" there are numerous cited quotes from people stating a belief that the temple wasn't in Jerusalem (and suggesting that it may have been elsewhere -- Jericho is mentioned in one case). The only claims that the temple never existed seem to come from a single television broadcast in 2004. Also, neither this article, nor any other that I can find, say that Jesus taught there, unless you consider Jesus and the money changers to be teaching. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 16:36, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• See Finding in the Temple which refers to the incident discussed in Luke 2 in which Jesus as a boy is reported to have taught in the Temple. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The only Canonical Gospel source does not quite amount to "taught", though this was how the Middle Ages, & no doubt many modern Christians, interpret it: Luke 2:46+ "Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. 47 And all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers". "disputed" would be the technical term, but the everyday meaning sounds too confrontational - "debated" maybe? Johnbod (talk) 20:46, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Presupposing the historical accuracy of the gospels amount to proselytising. Go with one of the Alts. Lampman (talk) 05:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

• alt... that at the 2000 Camp David Summit, Yasser Arafat insisted that the Jewish Temple existed in Nablus, not Jerusalem?--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 19:27, 4 September 2009 (UTC)*
• alt2... that at the 2000 Camp David Summit, Yasser Arafat denied that a Jewish Temple ever existed in Jerusalem?Historicist (talk) 01:56, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Ilyushin Il-20 (1948)

File:Il20-2.jpg

• ... that the pilot in the Soviet Il-20 ground attack aircraft prototype sat on top of the engine, directly behind the propeller?

• ALT1:... that the wing-mounted cannon of the Soviet Il-20 ground attack aircraft prototype were adjustable on the ground to fire either directly ahead or depressed at an angle of 23° to allow it to strafe targets on the ground while remaining in level flight?

5x expanded by Sturmvogel 66 (talk). Self nom at 21:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• This version is a 250 character hook. Art LaPella (talk) 22:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Expansion, date, fact Ok, length (for the main hook). Materialscientist (talk) 09:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Carletonomys

• ... that the rodent Carletonomys is known only from one incomplete upper jaw?

Created by Ucucha (talk). Self nom at 20:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• As it is a genus containing only one species (I forget the proper name!) it should be written about the genus and then say that it only contains one species. I've changed the text but I can't remember how the taxobox should be reorganised and I can't think of another genus with only one species. The second paragraph of the description doesn't have a reference but other than that once the species/genus formatting has been changed it is good to go. Smartse (talk) 03:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
  • Thanks for your comment. I don't know of any rule or policy to that effect, however, and I note that other monotypic oryzomyine genera (Sooretamys, Lundomys, Amphinectomys, Noronhomys, Mindomys, Pseudoryzomys, Oreoryzomys) are organized in the same way as in my original article. Furthermore, your version seems to suggest that other species will be discovered in the future, which it shouldn't do. I therefore reverted your change. Ucucha 12:26, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
    • I actually came here to nominate the article, so instead I will second the nomination. Ucucha's paragraph formatting is more commonplace. Andrewsarchus may be a good example since it too is a species only known from fossils (and with no common name). Thoughts on a more informative hook?
    • ALT1 ... that Carletonomys, a rodent related to modern rice rats, is known only from one incomplete upper jaw from over 1 million year old silt deposits in Argentina? --Aranae (talk) 13:34, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Treaty of Soldin (1466)

• ... that Brandenburg and Pomerania settled their conflicts in the Treaty of Soldin (1466), but fought it out when Pomerania disobeyed?

Created by Skäpperöd (talk). Self nom at 19:31, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Verified. Gatoclass (talk) 10:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Don Bell (radio broadcaster)

• ... that after being reported as dead in LIFE magazine, Don Bell was greeted with "Hello, Lazarus" by General MacArthur?

Created by Jasper33 (talk). Self nom at 14:48, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Yaakov Bodo

• ... that the "Moishe Ventilator" character, portrayed by acclaimed Israeli actor Yaakov Bodo, was enacted in a self titled theater show that ran over a thousand times and was eventually made into a film by the same name in 1966?

Alternative suggestion:

• ... that Yaakov Bodo played the character "Moishe Ventilator" over 1000 times?

Created by Jaakobou (talk). Selfnom Jaakobou^{Chalk Talk} 14:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• • Suggesting alternate hook. Durova³¹⁰ 16:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• ... that Israeli actor Yaakov Bodo invented a character called "Moishe Ventilator" whose successful run on stage led to a 1966 film titled after the character?

Created by Jaakobou (talk). Suggested nom text by Durova³¹⁰ 16:55, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Coprinellus micaceus

• ... that the glistening particles atop the mica cap mushroom (pictured) are remnants of a universal veil?

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 05:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Maybe it's too picky, but I can't see the glistening particles in the small photo and the way the hook is phrased it makes it seem like that's what's pictured. ALT... that the mica cap mushroom (pictured) is topped with glistening particles that are remnants of a universal veil? ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Not picky at all, I agree that's a better worded hook... thanks Sasata (talk) 19:43, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Lateran Council of 649

• ... that Greek monk Maximus the Confessor (pictured) dominated the Lateran Council of 649, the first council convened by a pope to claim ecumenical status?

• Comment: Maximus is a featured article

Created by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 03:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Daggernose shark

• ... that the daggernose shark (pictured) can adjust the timing of events in its reproductive cycle by several months in response to the environment?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 02:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Date, length, expansion Ok. Can't very the hook ref., but accept in good faith. The problem is the article states "possibly" "in response to the environment", and thus I suggest deleting the latter part from the hook. Materialscientist (talk) 05:20, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• So struck. -- Yzx (talk) 05:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

  So . Materialscientist (talk) 06:15, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

The "timing of events" part seems weird and the hook also makes it sound like the shark is making a conscious choice. What about:... that the timing of the daggernose shark's (pictured) reproductive cycle adjusts by several months? It leaves us hanging a bit. But maybe that's okay for a hook. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Winton Train

• ... that the one off Winton Train commemorates Sir Nicholas Winton, the 'English Oskar Schindler'?

Created by MickMacNee (talk). Self nom at 02:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Is "one off" British for "once only"? I think so, but most Americans don't know that. Art LaPella (talk) 04:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Yup. MickMacNee (talk) 13:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• What about something like: ... that the journey of the Winton Train commemorates the rescue of children by Sir Nicholas Winton, the 'English Oskar Schindler'? ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• I think mine is snappier, but meh. MickMacNee (talk) 12:37, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Simplemente Amigos

• ... that the number-one song "Simplemente Amigos" written and performed by Mexican singer Ana Gabriel is considered her first smash hit?

Created by Jaespinoza (talk) 00:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC). Self nom at 00:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• How to define a "smash hit"? --74.14.21.211 (talk) 10:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Like a very succesful charting song? Do I have to change the hook? Jaespinoza (talk) 01:12, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

You could probably drop the word smash. It's a bit flowery. You could also try quotation marks if it's well sourced and that might help make it fly. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

ALT1: ... that the number-one song "Simplemente Amigos" written and performed by Mexican singer Ana Gabriel is considered her first hit? Jaespinoza (talk) 01:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that singer Myriam received a gold certification in México for an album that included a cover version of the number-one song "Simplemente Amigos"? Jaespinoza (talk) 01:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• I don't understand how "Simplemente Amigos" could be Gabriel's first hit or even her first smash hit, unless I'm misreading both this article and "Ay Amor", which reports that "Ay Amor" spent 14 weeks at #1 a year before "Simplemente Amigos" spent 2 weeks in the top position. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• The "fact" "Simplemente Amigos" is considered her first smash hit is referenced, but that doesn't mean the reference is right. It's not enough to provide a reference for a hook - the reference has to contain accurate information or it's useless. Metropolitan90 is correct. The numbers speak for themselves. "Ay Amor" was #1 for 14 weeks, while "Simplemente Amigos" - released two years later - was #1 for only 2 weeks. That hardly makes it her "first" smash hit. LargoLarry (talk) 14:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree completely with both of you. I wrote the hook based on the reference from Allmusic, which reads: "considered"... even when I know that is Gabriel's second number-one hit, specially since I did all the Hot Latin Tracks lists for every year and almost all the articles about the number-one singles. That is why I am presenting the ALT2, which is referenced and also includes the name of the article.

ALT2: ... that singer Myriam received a gold certification in México for an album that included a cover version of the number-one song "Simplemente Amigos"? Jaespinoza (talk) 20:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 2

Music of the Katamari Damacy series

• ... that the distinctive "na-na-na-na" sound found in the games' title screens was created by sound director Yū Miyake for the music of the Katamari Damacy series as an experiment in creating memorable video game music?

• Comment: Hook might be a bit wordy, its my first nom.

Created by PresN (talk). Self nom at 20:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• No offense, but why does this article even exist? Information about the soundtracks should have been included in the individual articles for each game. This entire article seems redundant to me. LargoLarry (talk) 14:58, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

American Christian Television System, Vision Interfaith Satellite Network

• ... that the religious American Christian Television System and Vision Interfaith Satellite Network television networks were direct competitors before combining channels in 1992?

Both are new, self nom by DantheCowMan at 20:05, 4 September 2009 (UTC). Other possibilities include:

• ALT1 ... that the American Christian Television System was the first television network established by a Protestant denomination?

• ALT2 ... that the religious Vision Interfaith Satellite Network evolved into the Hallmark Channel?

• ALT3 ... that the Vision Interfaith Satellite Network channel became known as the PBS of religion due to its emphasis on interfaith programming?

• Given Hallmark broadcasts little if any religious programming these days, I think ALT2 is the most interesting hook. Length checked and offline reference accepted in good faith (no pun intended). ALT2 OK for DYK. LargoLarry (talk) 15:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

CRS Racing

• ... that British auto racing team CR Scuderia won races in all three series it participated in during 2008 as well as two championships?

• Comment: The image included here is not in the article but is better cropped. If an article image is preferred then this image will work as well.

Created by The359 (talk). Self nom at 09:49, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Bart Macomber

• ... that after leading Illinois to what was regarded as "the greatest football upset of all time," Bart Macomber left school for the Orpheum vaudeville circuit?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 05:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• if the greatest upset of all time part is in quotes, I don't think you need the "what was regarded as" part. Or, if you leave the was regarded as, I don't think you need the quotes. But maybe others have a different opinion. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• I think you're right. I'm OK with striking "what was regarded as." Cbl62 (talk) 04:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Jens Book-Jenssen

• ... that Jens Book-Jenssen (pictured) was the best-selling recording artist in Norway of the 20th century?

Created by Oceanh (talk). Self nom at 19:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length and date verified, Norwegian refs accepted in good faith. You could add the picture from the article. --Bruce1ee^talk 08:37, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• It was I who added the picture to the article. Should be ok for MP. Could the wording be improved? "best-selling Norwegian recording artist" for instance? Lampman (talk) 10:28, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the picture! Feel free to improve the wording of the hook. But note that his No. 1 position is for record sales in Norway (while for instance the Norwegian group a-ha sold more records worldwide). Oceanh (talk) 21:00, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• How about now? Lampman (talk) 03:24, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Looks good to me. Thanks. Oceanh (talk) 20:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Dayak Unity Party

• ... that the Indonesian Dayak Unity Party was dissolved in 1959 when President Sukarno issued a ban on ethnic political parties.?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 16:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Joseph Oberbauer

• ... that 70 paintings of Sofia, the capital of Bulgaria, by Tyrolean-born painter and engineer Joseph Oberbauer are to be exhibited in Sofia's planned museum of local history?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 14:49, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Tweaked... ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:23, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
• A link to the museum might be good also if it is notable and deserves an article... ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:25, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• It would be relevant if the museum wasn't a future museum and if an article existed. However, we can afford no red links. Todor→Bozhinov 00:20, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Pope Constantine

Pope Constantine

• ... that Pope Constantine, in 710/711, was the last pope to visit Constantinople for over 1260 years?

5x expanded by Savidan (talk). Self nom at 00:18, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Date, expansion Ok. Can't access refs, but cross-checked the fact here. The only request is to change 1260 to 1250 in the hook (1967-711=1256). Materialscientist (talk) 05:36, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Maria Mitchell Association

• ... that staff members of the Maria Mitchell Association conduct research into topics as varied as exoplanets and the American Burying Beetle?

5x expanded by Bearian (talk). Nominated by Bearian (talk) at 22:08, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Currently only 2338/941 = 2.5x expansion, please keep going. orangefreak³³ 03:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I shall try! Bearian (talk) 17:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I've given up, as I can't find any more useful information. If it doesn't make it, I can live with it. Bearian (talk) 18:15, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Don't give up yet. I just removed bullets from the list at Components and buildings section[1], so then the article is now at 5384 byetes which is fivefold. Now, give me some sweet cookies for helping you. =) --Caspian blue 18:39, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Wacław Olszak

• ... that Dr. Wacław Olszak, Polish physician and former mayor of Karviná, Czechoslovakia, was murdered by Nazis just ten days after the war started?

• Comment: It would be nice to DYK it on 11 September, on the 70th anniversary of his death

Created by Darwinek (talk). Self nom at 21:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Charles of Lorraine-Commercy

• ... that Charles of Lorraine-Commercy was the one of the most trusted lieutenants of Prince Eugene of Savoy?

Created by Alarichus (talk). Self nom at 21:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Short, but there's 3k of text - enough. Shimgray | talk | 21:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• But what's in the hook? That he was an adviser? That's way bland. Dahn (talk) 22:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Behind Closed Doors (1958 TV series)

• ... that the NBC docudrama about the Cold War, Behind Closed Doors, featured a prescient 1959 episode about communist infiltration from North into the former South Vietnam?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 21:02, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Prophetic" looks like editorializing, and, after all, it's not like they foresaw the Vietcong victory - they imagined it. Right? Dahn (talk) 22:33, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length and age check out but the hook is referenced to IMDB, which is not considered reliable. Should be easy enough to find an alternate source to date LBJ's unveiling the buildup, though. "Prescient" might be a better word choice than "prophetic". I am rather concerned that even though DYKcheck is counting the episode content as readable prose that it's really an episode list that just isn't in list format. I don't know if that would be considered gaming the system or if it has any effect on the article's eligibility. Just as an aside, the sourcing overall is quite weak. I suggest beefing up the article with some of these sources before it hits the front page. Otto4711 (talk) 07:00, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Made an adjustment with a new source.Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

New source OK, but I'd like a second opinion on the episode list issue. Otto4711 (talk) 22:26, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Very close wording. For example,

Article: The plot also concerns the conversion of a local military base into a Nike Hercules missile site. A citizens’ group in Illinois objects to the placement of nuclear missiles near their town ...

Source: Plot concerns the conversion of a local military base into a Nike Hercules missile site. A group of citizens living in "Whitfield, Illinois" objects to the placement of nuclear missiles near their small town.

Shubinator (talk) 16:43, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Wording is close, agreed, but there are only so many ways you can summarize a plot, because it is what it is. LiteraryMaven (talk • contrib) 22:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Fred Griffiths (footballer)

• ... that Fred Griffiths (pictured), who played twice for the Wales national football team, was killed in action during the First World War?

Created by ChrisTheDude (talk). Self nom at 20:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Article length and references meet criteria. --Jimbo^[online] 23:55, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Neonatal incubator

• ... that an incubator (pictured) may be used to maintain environmental conditions suitable for a newborn baby, and is often used in preterm births?

Created by Mikael Häggström (talk). Self nom at 20:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Entirely too short at only 678 characters. The functions section is bulleted, and therefore is not being counted. It would be better also if the link was not piped. orangefreak³³ 03:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

National People's Party (Indonesia)

• ... that in the 1950 confidence vote for the Indonesian Natsir cabinet, the National People's Party was the sole party without ministers of its own to support the government?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 20:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Egawa Hidetatsu

• ... that Egawa Hidetatsu (pictured) designed and built in 1853–54 the artillery batteries of Odaiba at the entrance of Edo (modern Tokyo), to prevent an intrusion by the United States fleet of Commodore Perry?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 20:30, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Murba Women's Union

• ... that the Indonesian Murba Women's Union ran programmes to help women start batik and weaving household industries?

Created by Soman (talk). Self nom at 20:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Page has been moved, I updated the nom. --Soman (talk) 14:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Stephen Dunnett

• ... that between studying maths at Cambridge University and becoming a highly cited neuroscientist, Stephen Dunnett was a social worker in the London Borough of Southwark in the mid-1970s?

Created by Qwfp (talk). Self nom at 17:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Chamchuri Square

• ... that Chamchuri Square (pictured), an office/residential/retail building complex in Bangkok, Thailand, stood uncompleted for almost ten years due to the 1997 Asian Financial Crisis?

Created/expanded by Paul 012 (talk). Self nom at 17:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Niels Ebbesen Hansen

• ... that in 1949, a monument in recognition of Dr. Niels Ebbesen Hansen and his contributions to the Horticultural Department of the college was erected on the campus of South Dakota State College?

Created by Hauganm (talk). Nominated by Pmlinediter (talk) at 17:22, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• This will be ready to pass as soon as the hook is sorted out. Contributions to what exactly? I have also added a link to South Dakota State College?  Francium12  17:39, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Added, but needs grammar fixes. Pmlineditor  Talk 17:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Trilulilu

• ... that the video sharing website Trilulilu is one of the most visited websites in Romania having an average of 2.2 million unique visitors per month?

Created by Mario1987 (talk). Self nom at 15:14, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• I can AGF on the issue of whether the Romanian source is accurate. My problem is the hook. How impressive is getting 2.2 million hits? How many sites are there getting more than 2.2 million hits? Where does this website rank in List of Romanian websites by number of unique visitors....  Francium12  17:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• It's impressive by Romanian standards. Mario1987 19:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
• BTW not 2.2 million hits but unique visitors. Hits amount to around 67 million. Mario1987 19:54, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Thomas H. Hoatson House

• ... that the 13,000 square foot Thomas H. Hoatson House in Laurium, Michigan, (pictured) is the largest mansion in the western Upper Peninsula of Michigan?

Created by Andrew Jameson (talk). Self nom at 11:47, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• passes nicely. Ironholds (talk) 12:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

University Centre in Svalbard

• ... that in the world's northernmost higher education institution it is obligatory to take self-defence shooting classes because dying is forbidden in that area?

5x expanded by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 11:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: the hook is at the end of the article. Materialscientist (talk) 11:57, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• the first half of the hook doesn't have an inline citation, and the hook smacks of WP:SYNTH. Dying is forbidden, okay. They have to take self defence classes, okay. But no source says that the reason for said classes is because dying is forbidden - the lessons are given to defend against polar bears. Ironholds (talk) 12:28, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

  Ref. 2, just few words below supports the first half. Shall I split it and move up? The irony of your second comment is that you accept "dying is forbidden" as a referenced fact, but consider WP:SYNTH that an attack of a polar bear is life threatening (any doubts ?). Refs. 13,14 do say that everyone arriving at UNIS has to take shooting classes in their very first days, which means they are dead serious about that. If you read ref. 13, kindergarten teachers carry guns when taking kids outdoors there. Materialscientist (talk) 22:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

  You don't seem to be getting the point. People are forbidden from dying, fine, referenced fact. People are given lessons to avoid being mauled by polar bears, fine. The two being linked is WP:SYNTH. I'm sure when a man is attacked by a polar bear the first thought isn't "he can't die here, it's forbidden!". Unless you can find a ref saying the two are linked, the hook doesn't fly. I would think a long-standing Wikipedia editor would know not to introduce synthesis into articles or hooks. Ironholds (talk) 00:03, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

  I did see your point and do accept it for main articles, but am not sure you're right regarding DYK hooks which do need some advertisement, and I am asking third opinion here. I am fine removing "because dying is forbidden in that area" if necessary. Materialscientist (talk) 00:37, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Well DYK hooks have to be found in the articles. WP:OR and WP:SYNTH cover all mainspace work, and I think being displayed on the front page is the height of mainspace publicity. Feel free to call in a third party. Perhaps Manxruler? Ironholds (talk) 01:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Defense? Don't you mean defence? This is a University Centre, after all. Manxruler (talk) 22:21, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

UNIS was named "centre" and thus I must keep that, but I may choose US spelling for the article. That said, I think you're absolutely right regarding the hook, and I changed that. Materialscientist (talk) 22:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

You are right, of course. There no problem with the US English in the article per se, but it was nice of you to use British English in the hook, for continuity's sake. For a less problematic, yet still exciting, hook how about: ALT1: "... that in the world's northernmost university it is obligatory to take self-defence shooting classes because of the risk of polar bear attack?" Also, the citation style is poor, and needs converting with citation templates. I would help out with the templates, but do not have the time do to my present participation in a real life work-related conference. Manxruler (talk) 14:59, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Regarding ALT1, I would rather give no detail at all and scratch "because of the risk of polar bear attack". Regarding templates. I do use them almost everywhere, but allow me to pass in some cases. I hope you understand that their use is by no means obligatory, even at FA level, and not using them is not a poor style. The reason here is simple - templates give no advantage whatsoever on web links, but they are much longer to type. Materialscientist (talk) 23:16, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I like "... that in the world's northernmost university it is obligatory to take self-defence shooting classes?" - I'd certainly click on that! Smartse (talk) 04:03, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

So be it. Materialscientist (talk) 04:47, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Seems not to be a university in itself, but rather a university campus run in cooperation by several Norwegian universities, and it needs to be changed to say so. (The hook actually contradicts the Wikipedia article on the University of Tromsø, according to which that is the northernmost university in the world.) --Hegvald (talk) 13:17, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

  Thanks. They call themselves "higher education institution" which I changed in the hook. University of Tromsø page is in a poor state (style errors and no references) and needs attention. Materialscientist (talk) 23:46, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Good to go now. Smartse (talk) 03:19, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Belgaum Fort

• ... that Belgaum Fort in Karnataka , an early 13th century fort, is also famous in modern history as Mahatma Gandhi was imprisoned here by the British during India’s freedom struggle?

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 11:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• hook needs some tweaking for grammar and structure - I'd say just simplify it into "... that Mahatma Gandhi was imprisoned in the Belgaum Fort during India's struggle for independence? In addition the fact that he was imprisoned has no inline citation, which means this hook can't be listed. Ironholds (talk) 12:31, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the review. I have rearranged the references. This reference links to the Hook.[2]. I hope it meets the requirement. The hook suggested by you is fine with me and is given below as Alt.--Nvvchar (talk) 14:29, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Alt... that Mahatma Gandhi was imprisoned in the Belgaum Fort (pictured) during India's struggle for independence?

• both hooks now pass - I think the second one flows better and I prefer that; obviously I'm a tad biased. Ironholds (talk) 17:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
• Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 05:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Alma, Palestine

• ... that the depopulated Palestinian Arab village of Alma was once the biggest centre for growing olives in the District of Safad?

5x expanded by Himalayan Explorer (talk). Self nom at 11:11, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• I know Arabic has a different alphabet, but the hook says "'Alma", and the article says "Alma" 7 times and "'Alma" 3 times. Should we be consistent, with or without the apostrophe? Art LaPella (talk) 04:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I think officially it is 'Alma. Alma if it is consistent should be fine.. Himalayan 19:13, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Vladislav Titov

• ... that after losing both his hands, Vladislav Titov wrote several books holding a pen by his teeth?

Created by Materialscientist (talk). Self nom at 07:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• The article has serious language issues, and needs a thorough copyedit before it can go on the Main Page. Lampman (talk) 09:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

  Thank you. I have fixed some obvious blunders and would appreciate an advice of yours and others on this point. Whereas I accept a copyedit is required there, I do doubt this issue deserves this assessment tag. Materialscientist (talk) 11:45, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Though technically good language is not mentioned in the DYK requirements, it is up to the discretion of reviewers to turn down an article that is substandard. I'd be happy for another reviewer to give a second opinion though, alternatively do a copyedit. Lampman (talk) 14:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Elfriede Gerstl

• ... that Austrian Jewish author Elfriede Gerstl as a child had to hide in a wardrobe to avoid deportation to a concentration camp?

Created by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 06:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Checked and verified. Tweaked hook to include a comma after author. --Jimbo^[online] 23:52, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks, but pretty sure that is wrong... Lampman (talk) 01:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Christopher Elrington

• ... that Christopher Elrington, general editor of the Victoria County History, was a professor at the University of London even though he never taught there?

Created by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 04:18, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date of creation, and hook verified. --Cryptic C62 · Talk 21:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 1

List of Armillaria species

• ... that several Armillaria species (example pictured) are bioluminescent?

5x expanded by Sasata (talk). Self nom at 18:17, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• 737 characters of prose. The table doesn't count. Please expand to at least 1500. Shubinator (talk) 00:16, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Oops-sorry, this is my first List submission. Have expanded the prose. Sasata (talk) 01:12, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Asylum Seekers (film)

• ... that as a publicity stunt, the makers of the film Asylum Seekers arranged for a couple to be married on the red carpet immediately before the film's premiere at the CineVegas film festival?

5x expanded by Big Bird (talk). Self nom at 20:10, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This article is currently debated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Asylum Seekers (film). It is highly unlikely to be deleted at this point (this was the version nominated for deletion) and the debate expires on September 8. Since the expansion began on September 1, I'm nominating the article now so that it falls within the five day period from its expansion because nominating it after the AfD debate closing will be too late. Of course, should it be promoted to DYK, it will have to be after the AfD debate is closed. Big Bird (talk • contribs) 20:20, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Phil Collins discography

• ... that No Jacket Required is highest selling release from the discography of Phil Collins, having been certified diamond for sales of over 10 million copies in the United States?

5x expanded by Mister sparky (talk). Nominated by Cannibaloki (talk) at 20:06, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length and expansion verified. Technically, the expansion appears to have begun on Aug. 31 in Wikitime, but that should not be an issue. However, most of the hook is not actually stated in the text of the article. That the album is the highest selling release can be gleaned from the list itself, and the fact that it received a diamond award is mentioned, but not the fact that diamond represents 10 million sales. In theory this can be easily resolved by just stating the information from the hook in the article and incorporating the inline citations to support them. A source for the diamond=10M sales should be easy to find, and in theory the best selling album portion can receive the same inline citation as the RIAA reference within the list. But the link to the relevant fact in the list does not take me to a list of the Phil Collins songs by award, it just takes me to the RIAA cite and I could not figure out where the relevant information is located. So that needs to be fixed. Rlendog (talk) 20:02, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Done.--Cannibaloki 04:01, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Simpson Investment Company

• ... that the Simpson Railroad is one of the last operational logging railroads in the continental United States?

Created by Tgv8925 (talk). Self nom at 12:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Could we see some categories in the article? Also, I've changed the hook slightly (the nominated article should be bolded) - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 12:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Hi, thanks for the quick reply. I have added three categories to the article. How does it look now? Tgv8925 (talk) 12:17, 2 September 2009 (UTC)
  • date, refs, size, hook etc. all seem fine. Nice article :) - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 07:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Pap Dean

• ... that Louisiana cartoonist Pap Dean received help from Governor Huey P. Long, Jr., to enter LSU after Dean's college funds were lost in a depression bank failure?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:32, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Close wording. For example,

Article: ... he enrolled in the Landon School of Cartooning in Chicago, Illinois, and was mentored by C. H. Landon, at the time one of the best political cartoonists in the United States.

Source: ... he enrolled in the Landon School of Cartooning, headquartered in Chicago, and was mentored by C. H. Landon, who was recognized at that time as being the best political cartoonist in the United States.

Shubinator (talk) 16:51, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Jesse L. Boucher

• ... that two of the three daughters of the Louisiana real estate developer and Springhill mayor Jesse L. Boucher became Hollywood actresses?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 01:42, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Union security agreement

• ... that the ILO's Right to Organise and Collective Bargaining Convention, 1949 neither authorizes nor prohibits union security agreements, "such questions being matters for regulation in accordance with national practice"?

5x expanded by Tim1965 (talk). Self nom at 01:26, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Election Commission of Nepal

• ... that when registering for the Nepalese Constituent Assembly, seven parties registered candidates with the Election Commission of Nepal for all 335 available seats?

• Comment: Alternate hook: ... that the Election Commission of Nepal oversaw approximately 10,000 polling places, 10,000 candidates, and 234,000 election workers during voting for the Nepalese Constituent Assembly?

Created by Fleetflame (talk). Self nom at 01:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Ridge A

• ... that Ridge A in Antarctica has been identified as the coldest, driest, calmest place on Earth?

Created by Twp (talk). Nominated by Bender235 (talk) at 00:25, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• The article length is 714 bytes (should be at least 1500). You need much much better references and numbers to justify "the coldest, driest, calmest place on Earth" (see, e.g. Vostok Station with its -89 °C and Atacama Desert - hard to imagine a dryer place than the latter). As to the calmest, you need to explain how it is defined. Materialscientist (talk) 01:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

A place does not have to be a sand desert to be dry. Also, Ridge A has an average temperature of -70 °C, while Vostok Station has about -65 °C (-89 °C was the record low). The source for that other claims is that study. BTW: "calm" means "most free of light pollution". --bender235 (talk) 12:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I know, but have no access to that article and thus may not accept or judge such claims. Dry does not mean desert, but that desert has exceptionally low precipitation values, and you need to come with numbers (for all claims) to beat that. As to calm, I think your definition contradicts to what most people understand by that word. Don't take me wrong, I would love to see you're right, but not with this evidence. Materialscientist (talk) 23:15, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Samuel Clucas

• ... that Samuel Clucas was offered a soccer scholarship in the United States after studying sports science at Lincoln College, before signing professionally for hometown club Lincoln City?

Created by Jimbo online (talk). Self nom at 23:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Will this Brit be offended? It's football, not soccer! --74.14.21.211 (talk) 01:10, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• I used soccer as that's what it's referred to in across the pond in the U.S. --Jimbo^[online] 12:51, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

William of Pagula, Oculus Sacerdotis

• ... that William of Pagula's book Oculus Sacerdotis, intended to be a manual for parish priests, was written in such a way that many of the priests couldn't read it?

Created by Ironholds (talk). Self nom at 22:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I italicized the book title. --74.14.21.211 (talk) 01:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Lucky Lady II

• ... that after B-50 Superfortress Lucky Lady II (pictured)ended the first round-the-world airplane flight, Curtis LeMay of SAC said the USAF could now fly to "any place in the world that required the atomic bomb"?

Created by Alansohn (talk). Self nom at 21:25, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that the B-50 Superfortress Lucky Lady II (pictured) was the first aircraft to fly around the world nonstop? --Bruce1ee^talk 07:14, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• While ALT1 is entirely accurate, LeMay's remark is a bit more hookish. Alansohn (talk) 01:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Pavel Argeyev

Pavel Argeyev

• ... that Pavel Argeyev (pictured), a Russian flying ace, fought on both the Eastern Front and the Western Front for both Russia and France during the First World War?

Created by LGF1992UK (talk). Self nom at 20:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• How about "France and Russia" instead? --74.14.21.211 (talk) 04:13, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Actually, that's better cos it matches with the names to the two Fronts. LGF1992UK (talk) 08:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• You need find an alternative source to support the facts that sourced by Russian wikipedia, Regards--Chanaka L (talk) 02:24, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• All sorted with the reference from the Russian Wikipedia, a book of biographies of aviators who recieved the Order of St. George in World War I, which seems reputable. LGF1992UK (talk) 22:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

A Failure of Capitalism

• ... that, in his 2009 book A Failure of Capitalism, Judge Richard Posner criticizes the Bush administration's policies and moves away from his past advocacy of free-market capitalism? that Judge Richard Posner, in his 2009 book A Failure of Capitalism, criticizes the Bush administration's policies, and Posner moves away from his past advocacy of free-market capitalism?

Created by Bearian (talk). Self nom at 17:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• This checks out in terms of date, length and references. I've approved it accordingly but I have my concerns about the hook, which is a little too long, and is grammatically unclear (about whether it's Posner or Bush who's moved away from advocacy of free-market capitalism). I would recommend rephrasing the hook.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 17:32, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Done. Is that better, or should it be shorter? Bearian (talk) 17:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I think I'd prefer shorter, if possible.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 19:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I much prefer the revised hook, thanks.—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 20:28, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but I for one find the phrase a bit disjointed. How about:
• ... that, in his 2009 book A Failure of Capitalism, Judge Richard Posner criticizes the Bush administration's policies and moves away from his past advocacy of free-market capitalism? Dahn (talk) 10:37, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Great suggestion: I would go along with that one, thanks. Bearian (talk) 22:20, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• ... that Judge Richard Posner's 2009 book A Failure of Capitalism moves away from his past advocacy of free-market capitalism and criticizes the Bush administration's policies? This would be my version. Is Posner the judge from the custody battle over Anna Nicole Smith's baby? ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:30, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
• Please resolve the POV issues raised at the talk page. Shubinator (talk) 03:19, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Flickinger Center for Performing Arts

• ... that the owners of the Flickinger Center for Performing Arts in Alamogordo, New Mexico, gave the building away to local government so that state funding could be used to renovate the building?

Created by Uncia (talk). Self nom at 14:52, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Source offline but seems to be reliable. Reworded the hook a bit to make it more understandable. Pmlineditor  Talk 18:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Headway

• ... that the spacing between vehicles, or headway, is a key determinant of passenger capacity of a public transit system?

5x expanded by Maury Markowitz (talk). Self nom at 12:07, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I appears that the hook fact is not directly cited inline. Could you please do so, or point out to me where it is? Thanks! The V-Man ^{(Said · Done)} 14:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Anderson covers it in detail. It is reffed as #9, in the para that claims that hook. Maury Markowitz (talk) 21:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The citation should be right after the claim. And you should know this by now; we've asked you several times with various noms to add sufficient inline citations. Again, add more inline citations. Shubinator (talk) 03:23, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ferdinand Richard, En Avant

• ... that the songs on Ferdinand Richard's solo album En Avant are sung in eight different languages?

5x expanded by Bruce1ee (talk). Self nom at 09:53, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Ferdinand Richard sings in eight different languages on his album En Avant? LargoLarry (talk) 14:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for that. ALT1 does read better, although it's not quite correct – he only sings on seven of the eight songs. --Bruce1ee^talk 15:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Dark shyshark, puffadder shyshark, brown shyshark, Natal shyshark, Haploblepharus

• ... that the dark, puffadder, brown, and Natal shysharks (puffadder shyshark pictured) of South Africa are so named because they curl into a ring when threatened and "shyly" cover their eyes with their tails?

5x expanded by Yzx (talk). Self nom at 06:47, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• The hook is not clear on its face that these are different types of shyshark. Suggest ".. that the dark, puffadder, brown, and Natal breeds species of shysharks (puffadder shyshark pictured), native to South Africa, are so named because they curl into a ring when threatened and "shyly" cover their eyes with their tails?" Otto4711 (talk) 16:44, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• "Species" would be the correct term, not "breed". Otherwise I've no objections. -- Yzx (talk) 17:42, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date and age check out on all articles. Brown shyshark and Haploblepharus need an inline citation directly after the fact. Otto4711 (talk) 18:49, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Changed. -- Yzx (talk) 21:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Good to go. Otto4711 (talk) 21:46, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I improved the grammar and removed "of" repetition. -- Yzx (talk) 05:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Nevin Saroya

• ... that semi-professional football player Nevin Saroya featured in the football-themed film Mean Machine?

Created by Jimbo online (talk). Self nom at 01:21, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on August 31

Beverly Hills Oil Field

• ... that Beverly Hills, Los Angeles, California, produces more than 874,000 barrels of oil a year, with approximately 11 million barrels in reserve and has oil wells on campus at the local high school?

Created by Antandrus (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 16:03, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• According to the article, the hook's production numbers are from 2008 yet the reference used to source this number is from 2007. Article needs sources recent enough to supported the material they provide. --Allen3 ^talk 00:30, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Fixed -- I added a cite to the preliminary 2008 report -- sorry, I seem to have neglected to add it when I wrote it (the final report for 2008 isn't available yet). Antandrus (talk) 01:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Doodle Jump

• ... that iPod Touch/iPhone game Doodle Jump has been the top paid downloaded app in five countries including the US?

Created/expanded by Secret Saturdays (talk), Wikisergiowiki (talk), Freaky Face Films (talk). Self nom at 17:24, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• 1374 characters of prose. Please expand to at least 1500. Also, please add more inline citations. (I've removed the icon since non-free images are not allowed on the Main Page.) Shubinator (talk) 03:29, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Russian annexation of Eastern Galicia, 1914-1915

• ... that in 1914 Russian Empire captured and attempted to annex Eastern Galicia, the last significant territory of the medieval state of Kievan Rus?

Created by Faustian (talk). Nominated by Piotrus (talk) at 20:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• "the last significant territory" is unclear. Materialscientist (talk) 06:07, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Viggo Widerøe

• ... that Mount Widerøe, Antarctica, is named for Viggo Widerøe, who flew aerial photography planes to map 80,000 km² (31,000 sq mi) of the continent's coast?

• ALT1:... that in 1934, Viggo Widerøe became the first person to fly a domestic, scheduled flight in Norway?

Created by Arsenikk (talk), Geschichte (talk). Self nom at 18:17, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Helicopter Interdiction Tactical Squadron

• ... that the U.S. Coast Guard's Helicopter Interdiction Tactical Squadron uses .50-caliber rifles to shoot out the engines of fleeing drug runners?

Created by New Hampshirite (talk). Self nom at 15:44, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• You need to work the article into the hook somehow. You also need to find an interesting fact from the article that is directly supported by an inline reference. Lampman (talk) 16:02, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• • • Changed it to be more specific and to work the article into the hook. The little-known and interesting fact is HITRON's existence and it's purpose. The citations apply to the entire paragraphs as will be seen if you look at the page cited. New Hampshirite (talk) 02:44, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

• That's fine, but if you read the rules, you'll see that "The hook fact must have an inline citation right after it since the fact is an extraordinary claim; citing the hook fact at the end of the paragraph is not acceptable." Lampman (talk) 03:44, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Norman Luxton

• ... that Norman Luxton (pictured) sailed across the Pacific Ocean in a 100-year old Nootka dugout canoe for five months before being forced to stop from injuries?

Created by ELHF (talk) and Oreo Priest (talk). Self nom at 04:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Two issues: (i) I believe the article is covered by the provided refs, but visually it does not looks so. Could you provide in-line refs covering each paragraph? (ii) Tilikum (boat) was a 12-m something which I can't call a canoe, though I admit I have only basic knowledge of canoes. Materialscientist (talk) 05:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Raonaid Murray

• ... that one suspect in the unsolved murder of 17-year-old Raonaid Murray is said to resemble the former Oasis member Noel Gallagher?

Created by User:GainLine (talk), expanded to requirements by Candlewicke (talk). Nominated by Candlewicke (talk) at 02:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Not with this hook: (i) "one suspect is said to resemble" - too vague for a fact. Said by whom? (RS ?) (ii) the hook does read as Gallagher might be involved (iii) refs said his hair style resembled that of Gallagher, not he resembled. Materialscientist (talk) 05:13, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Mieczysław Domaradzki

• ... that Polish archaeologist Mieczysław Domaradzki, who was based in Bulgaria for 22 years studying the archaeology of Thrace, discovered the ancient market centre Pistiros?

Created by Jingiby (talk). Nominated by TodorBozhinov (talk) at 06:38, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• You may want to re-organize the info in your hook, perhaps put the main verb of the sentence with the discovery. Working at the same place for many years is not interesting/hooky enough, imo. --74.14.21.211 (talk) 10:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Good point, done. Todor→Bozhinov 14:53, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Everett Strupper

• ... that Georgia Tech halfback and College Football Hall of Fame inductee "Stroop" Strupper (pictured) used lip-reading to overcome deafness?

5x expanded by Cbl62 (talk). Self nom at 06:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• I don't think this fact is particularly remarkable or interesting. Many hearing-impaired people do that. If he used this to his advantage in a football game, then you have a hook. --74.14.21.211 (talk) 10:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• I disagree. I've written and read extensively about American football, and I'm not aware of any other deaf person who has risen to this level of accomplishment (College Football Hall of Fame) in the sport. Bear in mind that he played in the 1910s. At the time, his deafness was a major issue, and his coach John Heisman wrote a lengthy article about the efforts they undertook to help Strupper overcome the impairment. Cbl62 (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

The loss of hearing doesn't affect one's ability to catch/throw/run with the ball. If no one has written about it, maybe it's not relevant? Furthermore, just by reading the hook, no one would know if Strupper lost his hearing before or after his football career. (Hall-of-Famers are usually old people, and old people losing their hearing and than learning lip-reading is common.) Using lip-reading to overcome deafness, accomplished by many hearing-impaired people, is not the same as using lip-reading to overcome the difficulties related to playing a team sport that requires hearing what other people on the field are saying. Please put more "football-ness" into the hook. --74.13.126.87 (talk) 20:41, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Villa Armira

• ... that the gorgon Medusa is a common theme in the mosaic decoration of Villa Armira, a Roman villa near modern Ivaylovgrad, Bulgaria?

Created by TodorBozhinov (talk). Self nom at 18:22, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Dates, lengths and sources all check out (Thank God for web-based translation tools). --Allen3 ^talk 00:40, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Les Grandes Misères de la guerre

• ... that Jacques Callot's series of etchings The Large Miseries of War ("The Hanging" pictured) were so called to distinguish them from a smaller set of Miseries?

Created by Outriggr and Johnbod. Self nom at 10:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date and hook ok. One little thing: I'd suggest using a larger picture in the article; this one doesn't really show anything. There's this one on Commons, but that's not very good quality. You could of course just find one on the internet, like this one; it's all public domain anyway. Lampman (talk) 14:43, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I had just added this one as the best quality I could find on the internet, though I agree size is an issue. Johnbod (talk) 17:44, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but I just gave you a better one. Lampman (talk) 04:32, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

That's debatable - it's wonky, & probably worse at thumb size. But i'll link to it on bthe picture file. Johnbod (talk) 04:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Karen Platou, Anna Rogstad

• ... that even though Karen Platou in 1921 was the first woman elected to the Norwegian Parliament, the first woman to sit in that assembly was Anna Rogstad, ten years earlier?

• Comment: Pick the least scary image.

Created by Lampman (talk). Self nom at 23:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• Couple of minor issues, the first article is not quite 1500 chars, could you add a sentence or two please? Also, second article describes the subject as the "the first woman in Norwegian history" which I'm sure is not what you intended to say, so I think you need to fix that too :)

Other than that, would you mind if I cropped that first image a bit to remove some of the border? It doesn't look very neat as it is. Gatoclass (talk) 08:19, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I got it to 1,513, which should be enough. Anyway, I've added a couple of sentences, and it should be over 1,700 now. As for Rogstad, I call her "the first woman in Norwegian history to meet in Parliament", which should be correct?

I'm not to crazy about cropping the image permanently, since I believe it contains important information (I'm pretty sure it says "1912", mirrored, in the upper right-hand corner. This makes sense, as she would be 58 at the time, and the picture would have been taken while she was an MP). If you want to make a second, cropped, version for use in the DYK, however, I have no problem with that. Lampman (talk) 09:06, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes, agree with Lampman, please don't crop away information from original images, make a cropped version and crosslink them so the original is easily found. Thanks! ++Lar: t/c 18:20, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I changed "meet" to "sit", as I assume that's what you meant. Articles now verified. Gatoclass (talk) 16:17, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks. I uploaded a cropped photo and put that up instead, though I'm not sure if there's any special kind of procedure involved for these cases. Lampman (talk) 14:58, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Allen Walker

• ... that Katsura Hoshino based Allen Walker off of a female character, only altering the hair length?

5x expanded by Itzjustdrama (talk). Self nom at 20:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• ALT1: ... that Katsura Hoshino based her male manga and anime character Allen Walker on the female protagonist of the D.Gray-man one-shot Zone? LargoLarry (talk) 14:45, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

I like that one a lot better! :) ~Itzjustdrama ^{? C} 19:41, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Takashima Shūhan

• ... that Takashima Shūhan (pictured) was the first major proponent of Western firearms at the end of Japan's Seclusion period in the 19th century?

Created by PHG (talk). Self nom at 19:56, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Tropical Storm Wendy (1999)

• ... that this Tropical Storm Wendy of 1999 (pictured) was monitored by three agencies in the West Pacific, of which all reported Wendy having a different peak intensity?

Created by Anhamirak (talk). Self nom at 16:30, 31 August 2009 (UTC) This is the basic DYK hook, I can't think of how to write it better. --Anhamirak 16:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• The problem is that is wasnt monitored by just 3 warning agencys (JMA, JTWC, PAGASA.) The HKO, CWB, CMA, would off monitored it aswell. so it has to be a unless you can find a better hook. Jason Rees (talk) 16:44, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• ALT 1 ... that even though Tropical Storm Wendy of 1999 was officially a tropical storm for only 12 hours, it killed 133 people? (The official agency for the West Pacific is the JMA) --Anhamirak 18:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• I don't think this fact is particularly remarkable or interesting. Many Category 4 and Category 5 cyclones kill no-one, and many short-lived tropical storms kill thousand. The strength and duration of a tropical cyclone may have very little to do with its effects. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• I have to say per the above comments. Pmlineditor  Talk 18:14, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Guptakashi

• ... that according to Hindu mythology, god Shiva hid in the form of a bull at Guptakashi (hidden Kashi), avoiding the Pandava brothers, earning the place its name?

• ALT1:... that according to Hindu mythology, god Shiva proposed to his consort Parvati at Guptakashi?

Created by Nvvchar (talk), Redtigerxyz (talk). Self nom at 14:32, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Constanţa South Container Terminal

• ... that the CSCT is the largest container terminal in the Black Sea basin having an annual traffic capacity of 1,500,000 twenty-foot equivalent unit (TEUs)?

Created by Mario1987 (talk). Self nom at 14:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Ashokan Edicts (Delhi)

• ... that of the two formats of Ashokan Edicts (Delhi) (pictured) namely, rock edicts and stone pillar edicts, the in-situ rock edict found in 1966 links Delhi’s history with the Ashokan era (273–236 BC)?

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 13:33, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• Looks great. Nice job! NW (Talk) 18:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks.--Nvvchar (talk) 05:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Clarence P. Cazalot, Jr.

• ... that Clarence Cazalot worked for almost twenty years in oil exploration, but went on to quadruple Marathon Oil's net income during his first year as chief executive?

5x expanded by Ottre (talk). Self nom at 18:05, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 30

Wild Kids

• ... that the Swedish reality show Wild Kids has been described as a children's version of Survivor?

Created by Theleftorium (talk). Self nom at 17:01, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Oslo Airport, Fornebu

• ... that a Lufthansa Junkers Ju 52 was the first plane to land at Oslo Airport, Fornebu of Norway, nine months before it opened?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 21:33, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• Sorry, I'm missing two points: what is unusual or remarkable in this hook? Why runways are struck through in the infobox of the article? Materialscientist (talk) 04:29, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• Is it usual procedure for airliners on scheduled routes to make detours to unfinished, unopened airports? I guess the runways are struck through because they no longer exist, don't know if that's the way to do it or not. Manxruler (talk) 21:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

  No it is not, but. The article states in this regard "The plane had flown a scheduled route to Kjeller, and the captain had taken the plane onward to Fornebu to try out the new airport." (?!?) which does need clarification and reference(s). I also do not believe striking out is a proper way to cancel anything in a mainframe article. Materialscientist (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• I agree. We'll have to wait for the creator to respond to the issues in question. Manxruler (talk) 13:16, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• If someone has a good idea how to rephrase this, feel free. The hook is referenced at the bottom of the paragraph and is from a book about the history of the airport. I am sorry, but this makes perfect sense to me, so I am not quite sure how to be more specific. According to the source, the pilot just decided to take a trip to the new airport to test it out, long before it was finished—back then aviation was a bit wilder business. As for the striking out, that was not me; I have seen it in other articles as well, but I have never come across it in the MOS. Arsenikk ^(talk) 23:24, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

  I don't understand whether the pilot flew (nearly) alone or it was a part of improvised passenger flight. If second then it is remarkable, if first then the hook sounds like "the first car to park at White House was a brown Ford". Then I would search for another hook in the article rather than rewrite this one. Materialscientist (talk) 01:50, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I think I understand your point, and to follow your metaphor: it was like eight months before the parking lot at the White House opened, some random brown Ford owner decided to try out the parking lot to see if it worked... But I can see if I can find some other hook. Arsenikk ^(talk) 20:53, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, then maybe something like ALT1 ... that the first plane landed at Oslo Airport, Fornebu nine months before it was officially opened? ("was officially" added only to avoid confusion on what had opened) Materialscientist (talk) 23:19, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 29

Speleonectes atlantida

• ... that the recently discovered Speleonectes atlantida is the only crustacean known to be poisonous?

• ALT 1 ... that the eyeless species Speleonectes atlantida is the only crustacean known to be poisonous?
• ALT 2 ... that <the recently discovered> Speleonectes atlantida is an eyeless crustacean equipped with powerful prehensile limbs and poisonous fangs that function as hypodermic needles?

Created by ZooFari (talk). Self nom at 01:46, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• The reference doesn't support "the only crustacean known to be poisonous", but rather says "Aside from members of the Remipedia group, no other venomous crustaceans are known", suggesting that this particular one belongs to the only known family of poisonous crustaceans, rather than this exact species being the only one. Arakunem^Talk 18:30, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

• Misread. I listed an alt above, but probably won't be as unique as the other false positive. The phrase in brackets just indicates it would be fine without it. ZooFari 22:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Internationales Maritimes Museum Hamburg

• ... that Peter Tamm's collection, starting the International Maritime Museum Hamburg, was severely criticized in Germany?

• Comment: Mostly based on German sources.

5x expanded by Sebastian scha. (talk). Self nom at 23:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that most of the exhibits at the International Maritime Museum Hamburg are from the private collection of Peter Tamm, who started collecting when he was six years old?

• Comment: With the one and only English source.

• ALT2:... that the International Maritime Museum Hamburg was opened in 2008 in a former warehouse, which was used as a grain elevator and ground storage for packaged goods?

• Comment: Based on German sources, but my favourite. Sebastian scha. (talk) 23:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Comment If you insist on translating the name into English for the hooks, please note that's it "maritime", not "maritim". Dahn (talk) 10:37, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

No, I don't insist about this. changed it anyway because it's translated. If you choose to use the German name, that's okay for me. Sebastian scha. (talk) 11:15, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Jiabiangou

• ... that 2500 out of 3000 prisoners at the Chinese Jiabiangou labor camp died within three years, mostly from starvation?

Created by Addyson Smith (talk). Self nom at 14:37, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Need better refs. We can't use several recently published reviews of one recently published book as the source for such an article about a labour camp without any further supporting refs. The book in question is not even used as the ref. Instead, we have the webpage of a book retailer selling the book. At best, the 4 refs in the article right now can only be used to support the fact that the book has such contents, but they cannot validate the contents of the book. --74.13.125.201 (talk) 15:14, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Only the translation of the book is recent, the Chinese version has been out for many years - long enough to expose any fraud. What we have are secondary sources: reviews by some of the most reliable newspapers in the world (NY Times, Washington Post) of survivor stories written down in an acclaimed book (still counts as a primary source in my opinion). The cited description of the events at Jiabianguo by the book's translator is even closer to the events. The fact that the book is reviewed in the NY Times adds to its credibility and is consistent with Wikipedia's policy to usually rely on material from secondary sources. Addyson Smith (talk) 18:37, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Do you have any other independent refs unrelated to this one book? News articles about the closing of the camp and about the investigations, perhaps? --74.13.130.88 (talk) 10:41, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• As of now the article cites 2 books "Woman from Shanghai" and "The Tragedy at Jiabiangou" about Jiabianguo, both based on independent sets of survivor interviews and the book "New ghosts, old ghosts: prisons and labor reform camps in China" that also mentions the camp and a statement on the death toll by a survivor (90%, the other sources that the article follows are closer to 80%) in a footnote. News articles from the period are unlikely to exist, since this happened China in the early 1960's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Addyson Smith (talk • contribs) 12:27, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the new refs. --74.13.126.87 (talk) 20:50, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Gates of Delhi

• ... that after William Finch described Delhi in 1611 as a city of seven forts and fifty two gates, more Gates of Delhi were built by the Mughals and British but now only 13 gates exist in good shape?

Created/expanded by Nvvchar (talk). Self nom at 07:10, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• English merchant William Finch is not otherwise known: should be "William Finch" at least--Wetman (talk) 17:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for the additions.--Nvvchar (talk) 01:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
• Dates, lengths, and sources all look good. --Allen3 ^talk 19:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Ixcateopan de Cuauhtémoc

• ... that in Ixcateopan de Cuauhtémoc the mortal remains (pictured) of the last Aztec emperor are on public display?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:59, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Wikified several words including nomination entry--Chanaka L (talk) 03:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 28

Rancho Cañada de Pogolimi

• ... that Rancho Cañada de Pogolimi, a fertile California ranch exceeding 8,780 acres (35.5 km²), was granted in 1844 to María Antonia Cazares who was married at 14 and widowed at 17?

Created by Emargie (talk). Nominated by Binksternet (talk) at 17:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Mela shikar

• ... that before 1977, hundreds of wild elephants in North-East India were captured each year by mela shikar, a traditional method involving a lasso?

Created by Xeteli (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:48, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• "unreliable sources and plagiarism"? See NW's misplaced comments one section below. --74.14.21.211 (talk) 01:03, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• I found major issues here, including unreliable sources (Facebook) and plagiarism. Several paragraphs are written in the matter of a newspaper report, and look to be copyright violations. No go unless these are fixed. NW (Talk) 18:11, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• As the first poster said all refs were offline unless facebook is some sort of code for a book not sure what you're talking about. I haven't contributed to the content of this article but if all the sources are offline how are you able to prove they're plagiarized? -- Esemono (talk) 01:29, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

NW put his comments for another DYKnom one section too low. --74.14.21.211 (talk) 00:48, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Note that the above comments were originally placed in the section below accidentally. NW (Talk) 19:59, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

This appears to be a fixable problem. But I don't have access to the off-line sources, so I can't do the fixing. I've left a note on the author's usertalkpage. Hopefully, (s)he can fix the text accordingly. --PFHLai (talk) 20:21, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Letchworth Corset Riot

• ... that the opening of a corset factory in 1914 led to a riot in Letchworth Garden City, England?

Created by Jspearmint (talk). Nominated by PFHLai (talk) at 12:06, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: All refs currently in this article are off-line. I can't find alternate sources about this riot by googling. This is a totally AGF nom. But, can someone familiar with the history of Letchworth / Hertfordshire / early 20th century England confirm this, please? Thanks. --PFHLai (talk) 20:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• Think this guy might be a hoaxster? It's certainly a possibility. His other article, Garden City (album) seems even more unlikely. The fact that he has only made about 20 edits but created two articles which conform perfectly to MOS is another red flag, as is the fact that every live link he has left that I have clicked on comes up blank. Gatoclass (talk) 16:27, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Subject is proving extremely resistant to independent confirmation. In addition to a simple search engine test I have performed news archive searches through both Google News and The Times (closest big city newspaper) and have been unable to find any mention of this event while using search terms such as "Letchworth corset" "Letchworth riot" and "corset riot". A search for an online presence by the museum listed as the source of several of the article's photographs only turned up information dealing with the Second World War.[3] As for the referenced offline sources, most are local interest books providing no online access. Exceptions are the Valerie Steele book which is available through Google Books via limited preview (referenced pages are however unavailable online) and Charles Purdom book which is available via snippet view. A search through the Steele book for the words "Letchworth" and "riot" both failed to generate any matches.[4] The Purdom book also failed to match these terms along with "Wilbury Road" (a name in the sentence for which this book is used as a source).[5] --Allen3 ^talk 18:31, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Comment: In the absence of hard evidence of wrongdoing, I want to AGF. But I'd rather err on the side of caution. I'll have no problem letting this nom sit here on T:TDYK and eventually scroll off due to old age. I don't want to see iffy materials sneak onto MainPage. --PFHLai (talk) 20:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

But it would be great if someone familiar with the history of Letchworth can look into this article. Thanks in advance. --PFHLai (talk) 05:50, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Bara (genre)

• ... that the work of Tom of Finland was published in a Japanese bara magazine?

Created by SykoSilver (talk). Nominated by Malkinann (talk) at 00:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• ALT1:... that bara has been called "the next big porn wave coming out of Japan?" —Preceding unsigned comment added by SykoSilver (talk • contribs) 03:30, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Article has some problem tags. Please try to fix the issues. ≈ Chamal (sock) ^{Master · talk} 06:15, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Would fixing the orange tag be enough? The additional rules for DYK seem to indicate that only the orange tags are problematic? --Malkinann (talk) 12:36, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• In general all section tags should be addressed. Expansion tags also fall under D6; the article should appear to be complete and not some sort of work in progress. Shubinator (talk) 15:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The Disasters of War

• ... that the final etching in Francisco Goya's series The Disasters of War shows a female figure, possibly intended as a personification of Spain, besieged by a mob of baying animals?

Created by Ceoil (talk) and Johnbod (talk). Self nom at 20:09, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• The article says it might be a personification of Spain, or Truth, or the Constitution of 1812. So this hook is a little problematic. The image of the plate isn't all that good either. Perhaps you could submit a hook about a different plate? Gatoclass (talk) 16:05, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

You are right; the article developed after I nomed. I need to sleep now; alt hook to follow. Thanks for the look. Ceoil (talk) 02:57, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

U.S. Post Office (Nyack, New York)

• ... that the Nyack, New York, post office (pictured) has been renamed in memory of two local police offcers and a security guard slain in the 1981 Brinks robbery?

• ALT1:... that the Nyack, New York, post office (pictured) is a rare use of the Classical Revival style for a U.S. post office built after World War I?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 05:42, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• The first is better, as classicising post-World War I post offices are commonplace.--Wetman (talk) 17:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Try ALT2: ... that the Nyack, New York, post office (pictured) is a rare use of the Classical Revival style for an interbellum U.S. post office? That seems more in line with what the article says. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 19:29, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

That's actually more accurate (although I think the first hook is more eye-catching). Daniel Case (talk) 22:07, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

New Jersey Route 64

• ... that the alignment of New Jersey Route 64 consists entirely of a bridge over railroad tracks maintained by Amtrak?

5x expanded by Mitchazenia (talk). Self nom at 02:56, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

• Approve...even though it is quite honestly one of the most boring hooks I have ever read. Is there anything else you haven't included in the article that could be used as the hook instead? NW (Talk) 03:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Better?Mitch32^{(Want help? See here!)} 04:50, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. And I apologize for my tone earlier; it really wasn't necessary. NW (Talk) 04:53, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

How about (ALT 1) "... that only 0.32-mile (0.51 km) long, New Jersey Route 64 is a state highway that consists entirely of a bridge over railroad tracks maintained by Amtrak?" which emphasizes the extreme shortness of the highway. Alansohn (talk) 22:35, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

This is untrue - NJ 64 is not only the bridge but a section of surface road on either side. Also, the article says it's state-maintained, not Amtrak-maintained. --NE2 00:01, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Its barely anything else. The route goes up in bridge form at its beginning, and the bridge ends at the CR 526/571/615 intersection, where 64 ends. Also, its the tracks maintained by Amtrak. That's pretty clear. I can probably clarify on the alignment, but look at the road itself.Mitch32^{(Want help? See here!)} 15:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

How about (ALT 2) "... that only 0.32-mile (0.51 km) long, New Jersey Route 64 is a state highway that consists primarily of a bridge over Amtrak-maintained railroad tracks?" which addresses the issues of a portion that is non-bridge and clarifies the Amtrak role as track maintenance (not of the highway). Alansohn (talk) 15:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• That seems fine to me. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 18:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

List of Pittsburgh Pirates Opening Day starting pitchers

• ... that United States senator Jim Bunning (pictured) was the Pittsburgh Pirates' Opening Day starting pitcher in 1966 1968?

5x expanded by Rlendog (talk). Self nom at 02:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

• The hook as written can be read that Bunning pitched for the Pirates while he was a U.S. Senator. Can I suggest (ALT 1) "... that Jim Bunning (pictured), who was later elected to the U.S. Senate, was the Pittsburgh Pirates' Opening Day starting pitcher in 1966 1968?" Alansohn (talk) 02:55, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Your article says "1968", not "1966". --74.13.125.201 (talk) 03:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

• ALT2: ... that Jim Bunning (pictured), currently a U.S. Senator from Kentucky, was the Pittsburgh Pirates' Opening Day starting pitcher in 1968? --74.13.125.201 (talk) 03:47, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

• The original hook is far more interesting to read than either ALT so how about just adding the word "future" to the original hook? "... that future United States senator Jim Bunning (pictured) was the Pittsburgh Pirates' Opening Day starting pitcher in 1966 1968?" Otto4711 (talk) 11:26, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

The original hook is factually incorrect. It has the wrong year. ALT2 (now shortened) has the correct year. And it's better wikified. --74.13.125.201 (talk) 15:29, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the typo in the hook(s) and I am fine with any of the ALTs. Rlendog (talk) 20:49, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Just as an aside: it would be very interesting to show Jim Bunning as a baseball player and as a senator. There is a great picture in his article which is also used in List of Philadelphia Phillies no-hitters; I think it would be great to show both together if that's possible. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 23:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree. I added that image (hopefully correctly) in case both can be used. Rlendog (talk) 20:00, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 27

Yokomo

• ... that all but one of Masami Hirosaka's IFMAR titles was won driving cars by Yokomo and Associated Electrics, for whom it distributes in its home market?

Created by Donnie Park (talk). Self nom at 16:37, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

• The hook and part in the article with the hook fact are worded weirdly and show some difference between the two, please fix this.--Giants27 (c|s) 02:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Fixed it to be more in line with each other, I hope that it is acceptable. Donnie Park (talk) 10:04, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Good to go.--Giants27 (c|s) 16:12, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• Perhaps I'm dense, but I don't seem to understand the phrase "for whom it distributes in its home market" in this context. Although it might be perfectly legitimate, if I was confused, others are likely to be as well. Please reword? Thanks. NW (Talk) 21:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• how is... that that all but one of Masami Hirosaka's IFMAR titles was won driving cars by Yokomo and their home market distributor Associated Electrics?--kelapstick (talk) 23:07, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• I will go for that as I found it tricky to put this into words. Donnie Park (talk) 23:49, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

• "all but one of [...] the titles [...] was won"? Am I the only one to see something wrong here? Dahn (talk) 10:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

"were won" I think. This hook, with that tweak, is better than the original and this nom is good to go. ++Lar: t/c 15:52, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Aoyagi Metals Company

• ... that within a year of entering the radio-controlled car market in 1979, ayk Racing won its first of its three consecutive JMRCA national championship?

Created by Donnie Park (talk). Self nom at 15:55, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

• Is there an article about the championships? Double-hook? --74.13.125.201 (talk) 15:51, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

• Thanks for point it out, although I didn't intend to create an article, I created a stub article especially for the hook. Donnie Park (talk) 11:08, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Hook information conflicts with the article. While the hook claims three consecutive championships, the article states four. This difference needs to be rectified. --Allen3 ^talk 12:01, 5 September 2009 (UTC)
• References are in a poor state: all 3 in-line refs originate from a site with the frontpage "Welcome to my AYK showroom ... -Alex, www.InetRC.com". Other refs are not in-lined. Materialscientist (talk) 04:43, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Taxco

• ... that in Taxco during Holy Week some perform penance by carrying large crosses or bundles in procession in the town?

5x expanded by Thelmadatter (talk). Self nom at 01:56, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

• Expansion, refs, dates Ok, but the hook is too plain for this large article. Materialscientist (talk) 03:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

ALT1:... that in Taxco during Holy Week some perform penance by walking in procession with 40–50 kilo bundles of thorned blackberry canes on their backs for hours? (Id mention the other two brotherhood who carry 50kilo crosses and whip themselves periodically and those who walk for hours stooped over but that would make this too long.)AlejandroLinaresGarcia (talk) 14:27, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 25

SL95

• ... that due to technical malfunctions, it took nine years from the date SL95 trams (pictured) of Oslo, Norway, were ordered until all units were delivered?

5x expanded by Arsenikk (talk). Self nom at 21:36, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

• Article bolded, hook tweaked and wikilinked. Mjroots (talk) 18:51, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

• This may be controversial but I am going to give this a ... The article length and date check out, it's a major expansion and easily passes that test. The hook is in the article, and the facts that make up the hook are sourced. But the hook isn't in there in a nice soundbite. You have to actually read the whole article, note the date of the order, and the date of the last delivery, read about all the technical problems encountered, and do the math yourself, and you will draw the conclusion that the hook does. All that said, it's in there and it's a fascinating article. I bet the city fathers of Oslo are all pretty annoyed with the tram vendor by now. :) Pass. ++Lar: t/c 01:35, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

After reading the article, I've got a few questions about this:

• The only place the year the order was placed is in the lede, with no citation.
• The original order was for 17 trams, and an option was later exercised for 15 more (total of 32). When was the option exercised?
• By November 2002 27 trams were delivered, which fulfilled the original order and part of the add-on order.

I guess my concern is, assuming the original order was made in 1995 (uncited), it was fulfilled by November 2002, and possibily sooner (article doesn't say). We aren't told when the add-on order was made, and so it's impossible to judge how long it took to fill. If these concerns can be addressed, this will be a great DYK. Thanks, cmadler (talk) 15:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

How about "placed in service" instead of "delivered" ??? There's a hook in there somewhere, this particular tram had a lot of problems, it appears. ++Lar: t/c 20:45, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Yummy Dough

• ... that two German girls thought about creating edible dough?

• ALT1:... that two German girls thought about creating edible dough after tasting ordinary dough and finding it horrible?

• ALT2:... that Yummy Dough is the first commercially distributed dough that has been designed to be eaten as well as played with?
• Comment: Previously incorrectly deleted at AFD (one of too many examples where WP:BEFORE was ignored). Recreated and expanded with multiple reliable sources. SoWhy 10:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Created by Jiashwu (talk), SoWhy (talk). Self nom at 10:37, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• First two suggested hooks make no sense as dough is normally edible. Third one is okay, and in regards to the former AFD, the article appears to have sufficient sourcing to justify its existence now. However, the article currently reads a little like an advertisement, and I'm a bit reluctant to approve. Anyone else have an opinion? Gatoclass (talk) 13:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• (edit conflict) Yeah, you know, I'll use that "not a native speaker" excuse here. I wanted to point out the fact that dough is usually not meant to be eaten nor tastes good when someone does. As for the advertising part, I can assure you I am not an evil spammer but with that "not a native speaker" thing again it's of course possible that parts of it sound more spammy than intended. It's a wiki, you are all welcome to fix it ;-) Regards SoWhy 13:29, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• I concur. The article reads like a press release issued by the company that created the product. Just because references exist and can be cited doesn't necessarily make a subject notable enough to warrant an article. MovieMadness (talk) 13:25, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• I think that, for "dough", read modelling clay. Play-Doh pretty much made the use of the word dough a standard for substances that children play with (but not eat!). Referring to an edible modelling clay could make for a more interesting hook, too. Maedin\^talk 13:27, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• ALT 2 seems wrong - dough is normally for eating (after cooking), not playing with - that is modelling clay. In the UK we have Play-Doh, but that has not affected the meaning of "dough". After reading the article I'm unclear whether the product is essentially for eating or playing with. Perhaps:
• ALT 3:  :... that Yummy Dough is the first commercially distributed modelling clay that has been designed to be eaten as well as played with? Johnbod (talk) 16:39, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 24

Dorcheat Bayou

• ... that the 122-mile-long Dorcheat Bayou in Arkansas and Louisiana was once navigable for several months a year to the Red River but is now known for fishing, canoeing, and scenic beauty?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 18:58, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• Length, date, and hook reference all verified. A nice little article!—S Marshall ^Talk/_Cont 17:35, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

• Some issues with the hook here, I would t hink. The part about it being navigable to the Red River is not in contradiction to what it is now known for. Also, it is not explicitly stated that Bayou is no longer connected with the Red River. NW (Talk) 23:13, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

It is my understanding that the bayou connects to the Red River through Lake Bistineau and then Loggy Bayou. It never had a direct connection.Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• Close wording. For example,

Article: One of the first white settlers about Dorcheat was Isaac Alden, who arrived from New Orleans about 1811 and settled some eight miles east of Minden.

Source: One of the first permanent white settlers of the Dorcheat was Isaac Alden, who migrated from New Orleans in 1811 and occupied a site approximately eight miles east ... of Minden.

Shubinator (talk) 16:18, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Note: One could sail from New Orleans to eight miles east of Minden then (now two miles), but he had to go through Loggy Bayou and Lake Bistineau first.Billy Hathorn (talk) 20:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on August 23

Dorcheat Historical Association Museum

• The period at the end of the caption was removed, but WP:Captions#Wording specifies a period for a complete sentence. Art LaPella (talk) 06:13, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• ... that the Dorcheat Historical Association Museum preserves the history and culture of life in North Louisiana along the Dixie Overland Highway?

Created by Billy Hathorn (talk). Self nom at 19:19, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

• Article length: >1500 chars. Date: fine. But hook is 203 characters, which immediately brings out the big orange X. Worse, in my view, is that the inline citation for the hook comes from an invalid source, which violates WP:SELFPUB. A brochure printed by the subject of the article is a little sketchy for my tastes. Yes, self-published sources may be used as sources of information about themselves, but only so long as "the material is not unduly self-serving". The whole point of most brochures is that they are in fact advertisements, and therefore obviously self-serving.

Another question surrounds the basic information that the hook conveys. Is the most interesting thing about this topic a simple description of what the subject is? Surely there's something "hookier" to say about it. The article would greatly benefit of an injection of fresh, secondary sources. A Google search does reveal newspaper articles, which might be of benefit to the article. If the nominator is local to the area, he or she might also be able to find sources not on the internet.

I'm not saying that another hook couldn't be found, or that the article couldn't be improved in time for this DYK nomination to be reassessed, but the present hook is unsuitable both for reasons of length and attribution. CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 02:09, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Furthermore, I think that your nomination of Germantown Colony and Museum on the same day runs the risk of covering some of the same ground in too short of time. If the Germantown Colony article is approved for DYK, this one should, at least, not be approved for the same day's DYK, per WP:Did you know/Guide#Guidance for "prep area" editors. We should be trying to "include items from varied fields of interest, time periods, and parts of the world". CzechOut ☎ | ✍ 02:21, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know how to measure, but I think the article is above 1,500 characters.Billy Hathorn (talk) 19:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

CzechOut knows that, so please read his other objections. ">1500 chars" means "greater than 1500 characters" (see Greater than sign). If you want, I think I could install DYKcheck into your account. I've never done it before except for myself, but I believe I could just create User:Billy Hathorn/monobook.js with the line importScript('User:Shubinator/DYKcheck.js'); //DYKcheck tool

Art LaPella (talk) 07:35, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

How about this?

... that the Dorcheat Historical Association Museum in Minden, Louisiana, has a Coca Cola exhibit because the beverage was once bottled in smaller cities, some of which still serve as distribution centers?

OR

... that the Dorcheat Historical Association Museum in Minden, Louisiana, has a nostalgic movie theater exhibit highlighting entertainment of yesteryear? Billy Hathorn (talk) 03:55, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• References in the article are not up to scratch. A few references have only the homepage linked, so it's very tough to find the page with the necessary information (refs 2, 5, and 8). Ref 9 is simply an online map of the area. Refs 1 and 6 are published by the museum. Refs 5 and 8 are blogs. Ref 7 is to an online event calendar that (I think) anyone can add to. And ref 3 is mostly the museum President's message from the museum's newsletter. Shubinator (talk) 16:32, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Special occasion holding area

Note: Articles nominated for a special occasion should be nominated within five days of creation or expansion as usual (with the exception of April Fools'). Also, articles should be nominated at least five days before the occasion to give reviewers time to check the nomination.

Articles created/expanded for September 11

Peekskill Presbyterian Church

• ... that the same bell at New York's Peekskill Presbyterian Church (pictured) which probably tolled for the death of George Washington was rung in memory of the victims of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks?

Created by Daniel Case (talk). Self nom at 06:10, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

• "which probably"? Speculation or fact? --74.13.126.87 (talk) 20:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

The church's bell has not been replaced since (at least) its formal incorporation in 1826. The church began meeting in 1799, shortly before Washington's death and had a bell then. It seems, according to the centenary history cited in the NRHP nom, that it probably was tolled at Washington's death. Call it informed speculation ... I qualified it because I can't claim it as a black-and-white fact, and neither does the church's website. Daniel Case (talk) 05:39, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded for September 23

Roswell and Elizabeth Garst Farmstead Historic District

• ... that 50 years ago today, on an Iowa farm, farmer and hybrid corn salesman Roswell Garst hosted Soviet premier Nikita Khrushchev?

Created by Doncram (talk). Self nom at 08:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

This is preliminary, not yet meeting DYK standards in the article, but it will get there soon. doncram (talk) 08:27, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

I7 says "No redlinks in the hook." Art LaPella (talk) 04:21, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Added a link to Heterosis#Hybrid_corn. Otto4711 (talk) 10:33, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Pls don't make Iowa seem like an agricultural produce grown at a farm. It should be "a farm in Iowa, USA".--74.13.126.87 (talk) 20:47, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

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