Talk:Jimmy Wales

If you need to contact Jimbo about something, please do so at User_talk:Jimbo Wales, not here. As Jimbo himself explains...

People who are trying to leave messages for me will likely be more satisfied if they leave messages on my user talk page than if they leave them here. This is the talk page for the article about me, not a place to talk to me. I rarely read this. --Jimbo Wales 06:05, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

About this article

I have dropped my opposition to a page about me, but I think we're going to have to watch it carefully for trolling. It might even need to be generally protected, I don't know. Jimbo Wales 02:51, 9 Sep 2004 (UTC)

After a long history of reverts this article started containing only one sentence: "Jimmy Wales is a person.". This very short form of an article is called a "stub" among Wikipedians. The usefulness of such stubs is disputed within Wikipedia. In this case the article start is an allusion to the 50,000th French article, which was "La nèfle est un fruit." and whose background was described in a beautiful posting by Anthere [1].

Political Party Donations

Is it true that Jimmy Wales is a substantial party donor?

No, it is not true. I can't recall ever making any political donations. --Jimbo Wales 05:48, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

NPOV

This article really walks the line between neutrality and hero-worship, that nonsense about "god king" et.c. really doesn't provide any useful information. The continuation on that theme, noting that the "god king" drives a hyundai is also completely pointless. He's a corporate officer, not a messiah.

Anyhow I don't recall anyone ever calling me the "God King" of Wikipedia, except for Raul being quoted to that effect in Wired.--Jimbo Wales 05:50, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Jimbos Personal Blog

In the link section of the articel, there is still Jimbos personal blog as a reference. The blog has not been updated since early April of this year. Does anyone know if it has been disbanded? In this case, I think the link could be removed. Cheers,--84.165.244.214 08:33, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

It is still live, I'm just a terrible blogger.--Jimbo Wales 05:53, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Pompadour Hairstyle

What's with this pompadour high hairstyle of Jimbo Wales ?

Is he trying to look Victorian ??

Congrats to the writers

I truly am amazed that an article about our founder could possibly be NPOV, but it is! Congrats my co-editors Redwolf24 22:21, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Picture of Jimbo

Apologies in advance to anyone who likes that picture of Jimbo (standing), but I think it is awful (and I don't mean it fills me full of awe). Paul August ☎ 16:11, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

That's funny, I think the majority of people who have commented on it think it's very classic and benevolently dictatorial. — Dan | Talk 16:43, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

OK, if it was meant to be humorous, then yes I can see it that way. But I'm not sure humor is appropriate here, certainly not for the lead picture. Paul August ☎ 16:53, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, by "funny" I meant that I thought your opinion was unusual. I don't think the picture is funny so much as it is awesome. :-) — Dan | Talk 17:31, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Well perhaps we see the picture differently. In the picture, in my opinion, he looks like someone who has struck some kind of mock expression. (I don't know if this was intentional or not, if it was unintentional (i.e. not posed), then it is an unfortunate accident) I think such a picture makes him and us look less serious than he and we deserve. Paul August ☎ 18:17, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

There are tons of pictures of Jimbo lying around. commons:Jimbo Wales has some, and there are quite a few on Wikipedia:meetup (just make sure it has an acceptable license). →Raul654 02:12, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Personally, this has always been one of my favorites. It's Jimbo holding up the Christmas present we gave him - 'Jimbo in Purgatory', but it wouldn't be good for the article. →Raul654 02:14, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

It's a very weird picture. Sort of like a cult might have on the wall, of their leader. Funny though.

A really, really stupid question

In the interests of full disclosure, might the article be tagged with a disclaimer like this?

This wouldn't apply just to Jimbo (and I don't mean to pick on him...), but to any Wikipedia editor or admin who also is the subject of a biographical article.

--EngineerScotty 22:51, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Solution looking for a problem, IMO. Pcb21| Pete 15:41, 1 September 2005 (UTC)

I have added this template (w/ the Wikipedia logo). I've also added it to the top of this Talk Page. Discussion please. Nippoo 23:09, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

Cite source, please

I removed the text: Jimbo is an advocate of libertarianism and is strongly opposed to taxation, which he claims is akin to fascism. In a telephone interview conducted on September 2, 2005, Jimbo stated that although he is not outraged by taxpayer money being used to aid the victims of Hurricane Katrina, he is opposed to such government action.

Please cite a reputable source for this telephone interview. See WP:NOR. FreplySpang (talk) 00:52, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Someone did in fact call me last night while I was having dinner. He did not identify himself although I asked several times. He did, in fact, ask me if I am outraged about the $10 billion Congress approved for FEMA. It is true that I said that I'm not outraged, and also that I am generally opposed to taxation. It seemed that we were about to get into a more nuanced discussion of my position, but he hung up on me.

Based on the voice and extrapolating from a prior phone call, my 'interviewer' was Lir. Probably a check of the ip numbers could confirm the location sufficient to prove this. (He is or was a student in Iowa.) Based further on the sound of the voice, he was either drunk or on drugs.

It's really a shame that he hung up on me, because I do enjoy talking to Lir.

In case anyone is wondering what I think about taxation and emergency aid: emergency aid in a time of disaster is a tricky thing -- at some point it moves beyond legitimate use of existing (military, emergency management) resources and becomes a bailout for wealthy or upper middle class (and politically influential) landowners who have chosen to locate valuable buildings in precarious places. A perfect example of this would be my own house, which is located in a neighborhood only 5 feet above sea level, and which will certainly be disastrously flooded in any direct hurricane strike. It would be extremely expensive to buy flood insurance at market rates, but no matter -- flood insurance is heavily subsidized. Thanks, tax payers! I oppose this type of government intervention into the economy, and one reason that I do is that it distorts prices in such a way which leads to disaster eventually.

I do not think my position on such matters is particularly interesting or noteworthy for the article about me. I have positions on all sorts of political topics. "Libertarian" is not accurate except in the broadest sense to describe my political views. In particular, I gladly disassociate myself from the US Libertarian party, and from the libertarian movement surrounding it. --Jimbo Wales 12:36, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

"Based further on the sound of the voice, he was either drunk or on drugs." He might have been, but I would (if it were me) simply say he sounded like he was under the influence:

A person's own body can produce hormones, drugs, & other chemicals as a result of stress -either extrenal or "internal" stress.--GordonWattsDotCom 14:48, 3 September 2005 (UTC)

So Lir really is male? He has always tried to pass himself off as female. User:Zoe|^(talk) 07:30, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

adult content

The correct terminology is 'adult content'. If this is pornography, then so is much of mainstream culture. I do not think we should adopt the definitions of the Taliban or the Southern Baptist Convention. --Jimbo Wales 17:08, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

This sounds rather like a lame euphemism to me. The Bomis article uses the word "pornography", anyway, and the ones for toilet paper and coffins mostly call them by those names, as opposed to "bath tissue" and "casket". As a compromise, I changed "adult-content" to "erotica". —Saric (Talk) 20:12, September 7, 2005 (UTC)

Pornography is not actually a pejorative term, though, it has a fairly well-defined meaning which fits the purpose of that site. 'Adult content' could mean anything. Rsynnott 03:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Why should the word "adult" mean explotiation and degradation. Things should be called what they are - not glossed with mealy-mouthed euphemisims.

What contribution to the Wales independent wealth has porn sales made ? (seenext section on wealth of Wales which is silent on this point)

Esp as internet porn is 8o-90 % of all webuse and the largest by far money maker of the internet.

Will Wales fess up to this point ?

independently wealthy?

According to the article, I am 'independently wealthy'? Can someone cite a source for that? My point is equally valid for other 'facts' in the article.--Jimbo Wales 09:23, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

The Wired article; presumably you told them that yourself. What other facts do you think need a source? Gohn 12:12, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

After all the money you've poured into Wikipedia, may be it should be "independently poverty-striken" ;-). But seriously, that should be deleted and I am about to do so. Ideally we should replace it with a bit more detail on your trading career. E.g. who you worked for and what you traded... the current stocks and futures sounds a bit vague to those who know to what extend a trader specialises. Not sure if that information has been made public in the interviews you have done but worth having a quick scout around... Pcb21| Pete 12:16, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

Ok Gohn has pointed to the Wired article so I have quoted that. Also that article says Wales' worked in FX and interest rate derivatives whereas we are claiming equity derivatives and the (very generic) "futures". Which is correct? Pcb21| Pete 12:25, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

This is much better. "Independently wealthy" sounds to me like a loaded phrase, whereas the Wired quote is much milder. I'll take a look in a few days when I have time for other items that sound more like speculation or interpretation than citation. Of course the very strange thing for me is that even the citations depend on the accuracy of journalists, and I have been quite disappointed on average in those. I do recommend the Florida Trend article, it is the best one yet, because the reporter bothered to spend several days with me, and she fact checked the article herself before a fact checker from the magazine also fact checked it. Most reporters simply repeat what they are told.

I question whether it is common for anyone in the community actually wryly calls me "GodKing" -- I feel that this was a misunderstanding on the part of Dan Pink (or perhaps Raul, who I believe is quoted there) based on a lack of knowledge of the term in wiki culture. It's a bit of a shame for us to repeat something that I think is a journalistic error, but to adhere to our general rules of sourcing, I don't think you should cite what I say on this talk page.  :-) --Jimbo Wales 02:36, 6 September 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo, you talked about a lot of these issues on your recent on-the-record C-SPAN interview... and that is something we can cite ;). Pcb21| Pete 09:11, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

God-king

I call Jimbo -- a label I think extends beyond the man and into the myth -- the god-king of Wikipedia; but then I'm a polytheist and I don't have an excessive regard for any gods. Before I became heavily involved in WP, I used to apply the term "local god" to the sole founder of an online community, who pretty much wields absolute power, at least in the early days.

I have myself been the local god of more than one online community; at present, I am more of an absentee landlord. I think a time comes in the life of every online community -- wiki or otherwise -- when the child is grown to a man and the father must step aside. (I do not think that time has come here, unfortunately -- WP is in the throes of a troubled, delinquent adolescence.)

I suggest that the term "god-king" now is extremely troubling to all; as a Community, we seek to mature; as founder, Mr. Wales would like to reduce his responsibilities. These goals are of course compatible. The difficulty is that no respected authority has grown up to take Jimbo's place. Thus, to the detriment of all, he remains the god-king. — Xiong熊talk* 05:26, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

Long time no see Xiong; still taking things too seriously I see. Keep up the confusing work. - RoyBoy ⁸⁰⁰ 05:48, 17 September 2005 (UTC)

"Some consider Jimbo sole founder" vs. "Jimbo considers himself"

Someone made a change to the former saying that "Jimbo is not the one that thinks this". Well of course that's true. But to say "X thinks Y" doesn't mean that noone other than X thinks Y! We are talking about Jimbo's opinions here, not the opinions of others so the "Jimbo considers himself" formulation is a lot more informative than the woolly "some consider" formulation. Pcb21| Pete 13:08, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

"Jimbo considers himself" makes it clear that one person has this opinion. "Some consider" makes it clear that more than one person has this opinion. Since more than one person has this opinion, why not make it clear? --Rebroad 12:56, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Because, as I said above, we are talking about Jimbo's opinions here. Specific facts are better than vague "some people" weaselisms... who are "some people" and why do we care about them? Pcb21| Pete 13:03, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Why should the opinions be limited to those of Jimbo? This is an article about Jimmy Wales, not "Jimmy Wales' opinions". It should remain acturately factual within the subject of Jimmy Wales, and that includes other's opinions of him. --Rebroad 13:08, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

It doesn't have to be limited to Jimbo. Name some important peoples' opinions and maybe we should include them. Replacing a specific opinion with a "some people" weaselism is a retrograde step in terms of article quality. Pcb21| Pete 13:16, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

I agree with Pete; the "some" needs to be more concrete. — Dan | Talk 17:32, 25 September 2005 (UTC)

Image deletion

user:Zscout370 claims that he is deletely all non-tagged images (without informing uploaders) on your direct instructions. As a consequence, images I uploaded some time ago, before the present tagging system, marked as my personal photographs, have been deleted without any opportunity for me to add a PD or GFDL tag (I've never watchlisted images because I didn't anticipate this).

Whilst I understand that copyright can be an issue, it seems crazy to give this schoolkid and others the authority to delete other's photographs, clearly marked as such, without checking that they are active contibutors (nearly 20,000 edits in my case) or asking the uploaders to add a formal tag as well as a "my image" or similar. If you look at Zscout's talk page, you will see the resentment that the high-handed implementation of your dictat is causing.

Surely it is not asking too much to require your underlings to follow these steps if an image is marked as my photo or similar (or are clearly likely to be):

1. check that the contributor is active
2. if so warn the contributor that the image needs tagging
3. only after a decent period of time to delete personal images.

I should add that there are admins who have behave much more flexibly than just following your orders. Some have tagged images for me, and others have put a message on my talk page to warn of problems - and I've never uploaded an image that I didn't believe to fit the Wikipedia requirements. jimfbleak 12:15, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

Jim, I sympathise. Please copy this to User_talk:Jimbo Wales to make sure he sees your complaint (you are not the only long-standing contributor to complain there but every little helps). Pcb21| Pete 12:41, 26 September 2005 (UTC)

"James"?

Isn't Jimbo Wales's real name actually "James", or certainly "Jim"? AFAIK, the names "Jim" and "Jimmy" are nicknames. --Matjlav^(talk) 00:08, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

As I'm sure the archives of this page will reveal, his real name is in fact Jimmy. — Dan | Talk 00:41, 27 September 2005 (UTC)

Like, his birth certificate says that? -- user:zanimum

zanimum, yes. I'm from Alabama. My real name is Jimmy. Strange, perhaps, but true.--Jimbo Wales 09:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Question about past websites

Wasn't Wales once a pornograper himself? Wikipedia seems fairly free of erotic content which is commendable, though it is not too accurate when it comes to content. Some of the articles need to be researched and cleaned up. Some of them are also quite useless such as who might be principle of some high school somewhere such as the one I found last night. When it comes to factual information one might be best to pick up a book or check out their local library.-61.24.85.136 14:41, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

As noted further up in the Talk page, pornography itself has numerous definitions. In the C-Span interview, he noted that the Bomis content would be considered "pornographic" along the same lines that magazines such a Maxim or Details are considered pornographic. As far as the principles of a given high school, they seem to be there mostly to educate, and I'm not sure what kind of high schools have a single person that embodies their principles... I suppose your point in gathering factual information from a collection of sources is true, as most libraries and reference books have errors in them. Some might even confuse a title for a person of authority over an educational establishment with a statement of meaning and/or purpose. :O) Ronabop 08:03, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

A few notes

1. The Bomis Babe Report was a blog, and was based on slashcode.

2. I do reject the terms 'benevolent dictator' and 'GodKing' and so does the community. The only place these ever come up are outside the community, in the press, and often because our article has been so wrong on this point at times.

3. The bit about me retaining "effective control" is ludicrous. I have no control whatsoever over the other board members, including Michael and Tim. As best, this is POV speculation. --Jimbo Wales 09:42, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo, I'm surprised you edited here. I thought you didn't want to do this, as in general it tends to be frowned upon when an article subject edits his own article. You are certainly free to ignore this based on your position, but that would rather confirm what you seem to deny above, i.e. that you are the one who's "more equal than others", wouldn't it? Anyway, to respond to your points:

1. It may have been a blog based on Slashcode, but that makes it sound like some pure technological thing and seems to obfuscate what it was actually about. Surely people did not go there for the text or for some geek stuff which the Slashcode reference may suggest, but for the pictures. Which blog technology it used seems to be the least relevant thing, actually. Why did you remove the word "erotica"? This can not be concluded with certainty from the title "Bomis Babes", which could just as well be a humorous title for anything else.

The blog was not about pornography. It was not about erotica. It covered all manner of topics under the general topic of 'babes', including mainstream actresses, etc.

2. The term "benevolent dictator" may not be often used by Wikipedians in practice, but it is an existing term (we have an article about it) which seems to fit. You may reject the term as such, but how is it wrong in substance? Note that it said you are considered the benevolent dictator, not that you're called that. The point here being that you do have the final say on things.

It is not fitting at all. I am not "considered" the benevolent dictator nor "called" it. The entire community rejects the term. I do not have the final say on things, the board of directors of the Wikimedia Foundation does. Being the president of a nonprofit organization is nothing remotely like being a dictator. If you disagree, fine, but Wikipedia is not the place for your original research. --Jimbo Wales 12:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

3. It is not far-fetched speculation that Michael and Tim are just proxies for you. What else are they doing on the board? They are not active editors, nor is there any other evidence that they're interested in matters of Wikipedia policy. However, they happen to be in some business relationship with you. They can be expected to vote your way. If you want to dispell this appearance, can you explain why they had to be on the board, and why they and you together need to have a majority over the actual community representatives? Gohn 18:11, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Both Michael and Tim are active in the business matters of the foundation.--Jimbo Wales 12:17, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Gohn, not that it means very much, but the only article you edit is this one and yet when things change on it, you are quickly around to make a comment. Call it errant paranoia if you want, but do you have another account on Wikipedia? Pcb21| Pete 20:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Yes. I want to keep this separate. Some people are overdefensive against any criticism of Wikipedia policies or of Jimbo, and you're quickly labelled a troll etc. Gohn 20:56, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Larry Sanger and the creation of Wikipedia

I must say, it doesn't look good when Jimbo edits the article about himself, taking full credit for Wikipedia's founding. In my opinion, it is NPOV to say that Larry Sanger was involved in "setting up" Wikipedia. In my mind, "setting up" very much involves the technical as well as the business work. Jimmy, would you please motivate why you don't think it belongs there? We wouldn't want Wikipedia's article on (one of?) its founders to be perceived as vanity, now would we? — David Remahl 01:25, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

I was there, and I know the history. I set up Wikipedia. I fixed the broad outlines of early policy, and Larry worked under my direct supervision at every stage of the process. The current article, even with my edits, contains considerable incorrect editorialization, it's just that I don't even know where to begin in correcting it.--Jimbo Wales 07:23, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

You know your image of the history. Please allow me to direct you to the WP:NOR policy ;-). Does anyone else have input on this matter? Did you protest Wired's characterization of Larry Sanger as a "co-founder" of Wikipedia at the time of this article? I see tendencies towards revisionist history writing here. Since the the time you and Larry Sanger started diverging on a number of crucial points, it appears that you are trying to belittle his initial contributions. Before that point, I doubt you'd correct someone that said that he was involved in setting up Wikipedia. — David Remahl 00:45, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I am in no way trying to belittle his contributions. If anything I think it is a belittlement of him to be casual about what he did -- and did not -- do.--Jimbo Wales 05:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

I took a swing through, here are some points: Foundations are "founded", collaborative software projects are not. I switched "founded" with "started", as it makes sense to differentiate between the start of wikipedia, and the start of the wikipedia foundation. "Wales and several others set up" is replacing "Wales set up", as from the reading of the linked history article, it wasn't just Jimmy sitting there, all by himself, doing it all on the command line (a leader does not an army make). I changed the language from "sole founder" to "primary parent" in relation to WP's origins in an NPOV effort, and qualified the statement (Wales is thought by some to consider himself...). As far as the above Talk statement made by Jimmy that "I set up wikipedia", it's a bit problematic, for the same reason that it is problematic to state that Al Gore invented the internet, or even the actual Gore quote, "took the initiative in creating the Internet". While I don't know Jimmy, I somehow doubt that Jimmy hand-entered all the commands in the first servers, rewrote and debugged all the software involved, or (for an expanded view of "set up") seeded all the articles with their basic information. Ronabop 07:29, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Good points. I concur with the changes except for the slight "weasel" qualification ("thought by some"). It would be better to quote a newspaper article, mail message or edit by Wales (or, for that matter, some people that say that they believe that Wales ..., but that seems a round-about way of doing stuff).

If I'm allowed to continue my rambling for another paragraph, I think it is inevitable that Wikipedia will be scrutinized for self-interest sooner or later. It is especially important that the NPOV policy's light shines through especially bright in articles such as Wikipedia, Jimmy Wales and others that hit close to home. — David Remahl 07:43, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

What's this about setting up software? Really he just took some Bomis funds and downloaded some wiki software, the kind you see at places like the usemod wiki. This software we use now wasn't around in 01, it was written in 02 by one of our devs, but Jimmy didn't have an army working on the original stuff. He didn't even need a large server, it was nothing in the beginning and it started like any other wiki. Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 08:07, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Automatic logouts

There has been a problem with Wikipedia lately: it's been automatically logging me out of Wikipedia once every few user pages or so. What gives? User:Rickyrab — Rickyrab | Talk 20:15, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Hardly a question for the encyclopedic article about Jimmy Wales. Try the Village Pump. — David Remahl 20:34, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

NOR policy update needed

I think that photos, which are intended to make a specific point, should not be uploaded to Wikipedia unless they have been previously published by a disinterested, reputable 3rd party.

Flikr.com, weblogs, partisan political web sites (dailykos, freerepublic, etc) and such are not acceptable, but commercial news organizations and commericial publishers and to a lesser extent, non-profits would be ok. There is simply too much opportunity out there to stage photos, for example:

Supporters of Candidate A take Candidate B's signs and make a big mess in a parking lot with them and leave also a lot of trash like water bottles and sandwich wrappers.... the Wiki caption for this reads, "trash left behind after local rally for B".

Clearly it's a staged photo intended to make a point. If the control parameter of "intended to make a point" is not enforced, the excuse regarding the above scenario would be "I found the trash & signs in the parking lot and merely snapped the photo". Such assertions could not be disproved, opening a pandora's box of scheming opporunities.

Rex071404 ^{216.153.214.94} 06:27, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales and the Fall of Atlantis

Wales' increasingly authoritarian dictates, contrary to the freewheeling nature of the original incarnation, ironically led to the crashing downfall of the most popular Objectivist mailing-list/listserv, "Atlantis", which now persists in part as "Atlantis II" on a separate server with no input or control from Jimbo. This event caused quite a stir in the Objectivist online community. Perhaps it deserves a mention?

(It's also noteworthy that similar criticism has been drawn for recent encroachment against Wikipedia's original purpose in the form of authoritarian-seeming dictates relying on collectivism as their basis, such as the No Original Research policy.)

I don't think it caused a stir in the Objectivist community, but only in that list. Later Jimbo gained a lot of sympathy from the same listmembers who were upset about his policies, precisely because of Wikipedia, and most recently even more so because of the Seigenthaler episode. Michael Hardy 01:52, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Cousin Wales

Repeatedly, Jimbo Wales removes links to his ancestor memorilalized in the movie The Outlaw Josey Wales.

Please Please Jimbo Wales

All Bureaucrats and administrators in Japanese Wikipedia should be eliminated because they are not considered suitable for their official power and duty of Wikipedia. They are not only Wikipedians, but also so much insane(anti-social personality disorder)NEET that they don't tried to talk with Wikipedians about the problem that is made by themselves. They don't only achieve accountability but also eliminate Wikipedians who think "admin here is cruel or stupid". They are only mad fascists. Of course they don't try to hold election.

They are all mad fascists and continue to abuse their authority that was given only by Steward, not by japanese Wikipedian's community. Japanese community in 2 channel (that treats the problem of insane administrators of Japanese Wikipedia)have solid consensus that all bureaucrats and administrators in Japanese Wikipedia should go to psychiarists(mental hospital) before they carry out terrorist attacks in the real world, because they are all haunted by delusions that others are always abusing themseves unjustly and delusions of grandeur that they are perfect noble and , what is worse, they bear abnormal malice to society.

Yesterday(November 12, 2005) one of them stupidly confessed that there are only one or two person using innumerable sockpuppets(multiaccounts) for illicit purposes. This one or two person (Suisui,KMT) have 31 sockpuppets for administrators and thousands of ones for general wikipedians, so that he or they have continued to fabricate the general consensus among all Wikipedians.

Apparently they are in the identical evil delusions, all of Wikipedians in Japan ignore them or sometimes protest against their cruel way and immediately get unreasonable block for a long long time. It's so absurd. Administrators in Japanese Wikipedia are not Wikipedians at all. It was a serious mistake to trust them as human beings in the first place.

Anyone have not wanted to run for administrator of Japanese Wikipedia, because Japanese Wikipedians use the word "administrator" as a synonym for cruel person ,e.g."mousou-afo-kanrisha(「妄想アフォ管理者」in Japanese)". Do you understand the state of Japanese Wikipedia?

You or the substitute who you appoint should overrule the decision of Steward and remove all bureaucrats and all administrators of Japanese Wikipedia permanently and manage fairly democratic election. Thank you. --LoveandPeace 08:02, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

In addition, i have to say the very important thing. Japanese Wikipedians' community in 2 channel(which has the most powerful influence to Japanese internet users) suggest bureaucrats and administrators of Japanese Wikipedia are obtaining contribution money fraudulently. In fact, the page that requires visiters to contribute to Japanese Wikipedia is very often unnaturally displayed after editting or a click. I think that the doubt as to whether they are the group of swindlers is very very natural. In any case they are too suspicious. Thank you again. --LoveandPeace 09:00, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

$100 computer

I suspect you're already aware of this project. I wasn't, until reading they'd rejected Steve Jobs' offer of free OS X in favor of open source software. I imagine it would be good for Wikipedia to see whether there is a role for us in this initiative. - Nunh-huh 03:26, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Joke?

http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

Is this a joke?

Nyikita 21:26, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

I sincerely hope so, it almost looks like Jimmy's trying to sell-out or something

Excuse me, but the simple English Wikipedia is a very important work. Not everyone has as clear a grasp of the English language as you both, clearly, do. I fully support the project, and wish to encourage all those who contribute to it: you are doing a great job! - Ta bu shi da yu 07:23, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

No it is far from a joke. I go there, and I work hard there, don't call it a joke. It's very helpful to people. I showed it to some of the people here in rehab and they use simple english wikipedia. You people are mean, its just for help with young children, and people like those that take part in ESOL. Quentin Pierce 22:32, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Sell out? Why would you say that? The simple English Wikipedia has great potential for people that have English as their second or third language. — David Remahl 01:09, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

Learning English should be a challenge and it is much better to learn with proper articles because then you are forced to look up words that you do not know. To cater for people in this way only limits their potential. English is English and Simple English isn't. BlueKangaroo 13:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

I work as a legal advocate (in the UK) and Simple English is becoming much used for helping people with learning disabilities and learning difficulties understand their rights and responsibilities. So why deny people the joys of Wikipedia? But this is hardly the page for this discussion Manmonkey 00:24, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

Sole founder

If we're going to present Jimmy Wales as the sole founder, or even that he considers himself a "sole founder", we should probably have links to media which state the same. Preferrably links that dictate that there are no other founders, parents, contributors, etc. Ronabop 08:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

Media sources interview the first sources, i.e. Jimbo himself. So this gets us nowhere. Quoting NOR here is going against NOR's purpose - we're underqualified to insert our own opinions or experiments into articles. Jimbo's the first source, so NOR isn't going against him, and any media would just interview him... Redwolf24 (talk) Attention Washingtonians! 08:57, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

self reference

Remind me again how a Wikipedia user page is an external link? And how is linking to another page a self-reference? I was going to change it until I saw the note requesting that we consider what's said here first. I don't see anything about it. Could someone clarify this for me? User:ACupOfCoffee/sig 01:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Links from articles to other namespaces on Wikipedia should be handled just like links to other web sites, i.e. as external links. — David Remahl 17:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Please support this claim

"However, in fact, Seigenthaler related that it took five months to get a response from Wales, and that his reputation was damaged in the interim and continued through the availability of history files." --JWSchmidt 01:12, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Please see the transcript as provided in the article. --AustinKnight 16:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Aslo this one:

• Wikipedia concerning admittedly libelous content regarding author John Seigenthaler Sr. that stated

I haven't seen where Wales directly admitted that the material was libellous. -Willmcw 16:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Simply review Wales' personal talk page (this is not it), using your browser's "Edit" "Find" feature to locate the word "libel." There are 2 examples where he uses it to refer to the recent Seigenthaler matter.--AustinKnight 16:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

another useful resource: User:WikiFanatic/Wales interview transcript --JWSchmidt 16:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

That's the source that I checked. Only the interviewer mentions libel. As for the talk page, A) that isn't a good source, B) I don't see where he says that the material on Seigenthaler was libellous. -Willmcw 17:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Please, get real. The remarks on Seigenthaler's page were clearly libelous, and Wales was correct (and intellectually honest) in describing them as such on his personal talk page...twice. --AustinKnight 17:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

P.S. You may be honestly confused by the fact that this page is about Jimmy Wales, but is not his personal talk page. See: User_talk:Jimbo Wales for Wales' 2 references to libel. --AustinKnight 17:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Can you please give us a citation for Wales admitting that the material was libellous? Thanks, -Willmcw 17:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I don't consider it an "admission". Whether or not it was or was not an act of libel by this ip number would be for a court to determine. In my opinion, this matters little. It should have been caught before it was anyway, and of course we should consider this a major mistake. I don't know what Austin Knight's deal is, he seems primarily interested in yelling at me. But I think, honestly, that's because he thought I was blowing him off or ignoring him. Presumably he doesn't know how busy I am such that I can't get around to every email promptly.--Jimbo Wales 00:27, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

Controversy/Criticisms

This article seriously needs a heading or a section with the title Controversy and/or Criticisms. As it is, there are already criticisms and controversial content on the page, but they are misallocated under the heading "Development of Wikipedia." I tried to make this change myself, but it was undone minutes later. Without that heading, the page appears too sanitized and biased by not calling attention to both sides of view, instead highlighting only the positive in the subheadings.

Maybe you could create a subsection within the existing section rather than change the name of the existing section. (and please sign your entries on talk pages with ~~~~) --JWSchmidt 15:11, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

Register shot at home comments

The diff is here. Read all about it on The Register. - Ta bu shi da yu 00:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

This only makes The Register look bad. It's a pity because they do have insightful contributions and the wonderful BOFH. Mark Hurd 05:32, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

And in what way does it make The Register look bad? The whole article is in jest. Coolsi 10:22, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Yes, that article was fairly clearly in jest, but what about this one? I think they're trying to make a point, but like I said above, for me it only reflects badly on The Reader. Mark Hurd 18:34, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Has the content actually been submitted yet - as Mr. Stern said he'd do? If not, my two cents is that we keep an eye out for it and when he does, give him a polite warning and a reminder of the policy that Wikipedia shouldn't be disrupted to illustrate a point. Remember, anything we do can be used against us. --Kizor 23:58, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Good Lord. Google News needs to try to not scare me like that. That Register article was on the front page. 69.156.206.82 17:57, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Haha. Likewise. --Kizor 18:29, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

How nice. One of my actions was on the news. I think I blocked that vandal. Titoxd^{(?!? - did you read this?)} 00:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Esquire Wikipedia test?

http://www.smartmoney.com/esquire/index.cfm?Story=20051215wikipedia - supposedly, they posted some sort of article, but I can't find it anywhere. --AySz88^-^ 06:19, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Jimmy Wales for Global Emperor

LOL, the resemblance is startling:

Jimmy Wales	Kane
File:Jimmy 'Jimbo' Wales, CIA mugshot.jpg
Jimmy Wales speaking at FOSDEM 2005 in Brussels, Belgium.

--Mistress Selina Kyle 16:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

• Shhh... it's a SIKRIT.
  • Jimbo = Wikipedia
  • Wikipedia = Knowledge
  • Knowledge = Power

Beware the Cabal. --CBD _☎ ^✉ 17:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)