User talk:Apteva

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RE : username

my username will remain the same so please do not send me another spam message about it Wickedangry (talk) 19:41, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

No need to get angry about it though. It just is not what I would call an appropriate username. Apteva (talk) 21:56, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

well what's wrong with my username ? i'm just sick of seeing messages on my talk page saying "check out the tea house, change your settings, change your username ect. Wickedangry (talk) 00:11, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

To me it indicates that the editor might be wicked and angry. But that is just me, others may find it to be a perfectly acceptable username. If you like it I would wait to see if anyone else complains and then think about changing it then. I see that you are a valuable contributor - but have already attracted a block history. I would recommend thinking about asking for a mentor - someone who can help you personally. See WP:Mentor and Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user if you are interested. You can request adoption by simply adding {{subst:dated adoptme}} to your user page, User:Wickedangry, or you can go to Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user/Adoptee's Area/Adopters and pick anyone there. There is also a button at the bottom of that page that launches a widget that helps edit your user page and not only add the request but fill in information that would be helpful. No one wants anyone to be frustrated, and not be able to be as productive as they can. A mentor gives you a single point contact who can help you. Apteva (talk) 00:34, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Beyond dashes

I am seeing more evidence that "opposing dashes" causes people to attack, so the plan is to proceed cautiously. Meanwhile, the pro-dash obsession has shoved dashes into articles where many problems still exist, such as lack of content, lack of measurement conversions, and even comma errors despite being another issue which wp:MOS fans should have fixed. Anyway, I agree with you to focus on "fixing 4 million" articles, such as during the January 2013 wp:GOCE drive. Otherwise, some leads to follow (which you might already know) include:

• RfA/KTC shows can be admin with "21 Opposes" (even 35) when enough friends via UK show Support (no SNOW-close).
• User:Pmanderson style expert was blocked 9 February 2012 for wp:SOCK after a hyphen/dash topic ban led to talking as another username.
• User:Pmanderson was the first to put "no consensus" in wp:CON, which could lead to contentious rules removed as truly no-consensus footing to push rule.
• Reversed names in astronomy refer to different objects, as User:Enric_Naval noted, where formal name "Nunam-Sila" would not be "Sila-Nunam" unlike "Juliet-Romeo story" being the same story.
• Talk:Mexican-American_War/Archive_4 (redirect) has hounding of admin who "dared" discuss dashes after closing prior RM; also quip of "dash debate longer" than Mexican+American War.
• Enric will contact IAU if they have plans to use dashes
• Timing is everything, as the Zeitgeist to stop the pro-dash Anschluss might be mid-2013
• Some survivors include: "McGraw-Hill" or "Julia Louis-Dreyfuss" but might be next re-victims

In general, the dashification has been massive, and now, thanks to your vigilance, I even cringe when I see Google Search show WP's peculiar endashed titles while 95% of the real world uses hyphens (99% have not endashed "hand-eye coordination" as 4x more common than all UK "eye~hand coordination"). I hope to find a better month to discuss dashes without getting blocked, but meanwhile, use quick ways to bypass dashes to fix numerous other problems "while Nero fiddli-dashed" to thwart progress. -Wikid77 (talk) 18:41, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Administrator's noticeboard, fyi

There is a discussion of sorts involving you: here. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 16:47, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that Erik. I didn't, because I considered it to be a mere administrative request for something already notified rather than a discussion about an editor.

Since Apteva has not come to terms with the consensual view endorsed at the RFC/U, it would now seem reasonable to obtain an ArbCom motion (not a full case, I think).

Noetica^Tea? 18:11, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

American Academy of Nurse Practitioners

Hello Apteva
I was trying to fix the RM for this page and a) didn't notice 'til now that you'd already fixed it, and b) managed to cock it up even worse. My apologies! Have you any idea how to fix it? Moonraker12 (talk) 12:14, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

See this diff[1]. There are hidden characters in the year that are messing up the bot but I have no idea what they are or how to avoid them. Apteva (talk) 19:28, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Ban sought

I have called for a ban at WP:AN#Proposal for topic ban for Apteva. I expect you'll want to respond. Dicklyon (talk) 21:24, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Regarding all the commotion

Well, we've all watched as the hubbub at the RfC concluded, with the process now moving into other forums. At any rate, I'd like to express a view that I would guess many other editors share at the moment. While sympathetic to your views regarding the appropriateness of dash and hyphen forms, I think that a consensus has been reached regarding the matter. Despite the diversity of opinions regarding the matter, one particular interpretation has been determined here. It is possible that you are indeed correct; however, things have deescalated on both sides to a point where the debate over dash use has become a distraction and something of a problem. I sincerely hope that you would be willing to give in on this one. Even if you continue advocating for your opinions on the matter, and even if the edits you've done aren't necessarily disruptions or inappropriate actions, things have really gotten out of hand. If you would be willing to abide by some of the requests made at the RfC, I think many editors would be able to focus their energies elsewhere, and, perhaps, there might be a more receptive forum to your ideas at some point in the future. dci | TALK 23:59, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

All of the drama is a direct result of the lack of civility at the MOS. Hopefully that will change. Apteva (talk) 00:19, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Perhaps things haven't been ideal all around; I think, however, that quieting things down regarding this dispute would be in everyone's best interests right now. dci | TALK 00:21, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Could not agree more. I was joking that if I wanted to make sure that someone failed their RfA, all I had to do was support it, and there would be at least 28 editors who I can think of who would automatically oppose, just because of not wanting to agree with me on anything. Apteva (talk) 00:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

I hope I'm not being an annoyance here, but I guess I have one last thing to say. Would you possibly consider the option of voluntarily abstaining from these discussions for a time; during that period, you could devote yourself to your content development work. That way, things can relax, and you would be able to withdraw from this issue without the baggage of a topic ban, which might be inevitable given how discussion has been going. At any rate, I wish you the best during this problem, and hope that you consider moving away from the issue of dashes for a while. dci | TALK 01:14, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

That sounds fair enough. Apteva (talk) 01:23, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

By the way, my talk page is always open, and I always take criticism seriously. Nothing is ever deleted, other than conversations started on another user's talk page or any talkback messages. I may be missing something else, but that has always been my policy. Apteva (talk) 01:27, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your openness and for considering this; again, best of luck in the future. dci | TALK 01:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, you too. Apteva (talk) 02:03, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Voluntary step aside, for a time

Would you be willing to do that temporary "recusal" from the dash-or-hyphen dispute? If you are, I'd suggest putting your response at the admins' noticeboard; that way, the problem can be resolved sans sanctions and sans more drama. Cheers, and a Happy New Year, dci | TALK 04:47, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

It already is there, but I will take a look. Apteva (talk) 04:58, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Apteva, I would really advise avoiding further conversation within the topic ban discussion over at the Administrator's noticeboard. There are some editors who will support a topic ban just because they see you are defending yourself in the debate. And I do think the "Alternate Proposal" section is shooting yourself in the foot. You brought up the incivility on MOS debates in a discussion about topic banning you. Some editors will view that as attempting to deflect the conversation, so you may wish to consider striking the proposal.

As for defending you, right now there are enough editors opposed to the topic ban that you don't need to worry about it. The best thing you can do right now is to go back to improving articles. You have waded into a small portion of a much larger Manual of Style debate. My second suggestion would be to stop trying to get the policy changed regarding em dashes and dashes. Yes, it is silly having titles using em dash when every reader on the planet is going to type in a dash, but is it really worth getting blocks or bans over a few extra pixels? The policy is never going to change due to the widespread use, you need to accept that and move on. Now I don't mean to be blunt, but if you continue this it isn't going to end well. Best wishes, Alpha_Quadrant (talk) 10:56, 5 January 2013 (UTC)