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Cakes striking

File:Cakes, 1963.jpg

Think and be nice. Hafspajen (talk) 22:09, 21 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[/me stares, round-eyed, at the sumptuous display.] And here I thought I had a good collection of sweets on my userpage! For once, there's enough so I can actually invite the naughty socks to tuck in. No, not you, Bishzilla! Maybe kind Hafspajen will post a really big cake just for you on your own page, wait and see..! If I want to leave all those on my page (and I do, you know!) I suppose I'd better archive the stuff above them, so the poor unfortunate Americans with crappy slow connections can load the page. Oh, and the poor dear Chinese network sharing devices likewise. Bishonen | talk 10:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

AW, thanks for your kind words. IT IS A DEEP HONOR AND FRIVILEGE TO OFFER YOU ALL THESE NICE CAKES. Please make sure that you are not eating everything at the same time. And edit please Alexander Roslin. These are beautiful cake they all look like they were delicious. The lovely cakes are inspiring. Do you offer training? please reply Hafspajen (talk) 10:22, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Training in cake eating? Yes, I do. I give a small class in Bishzilla's pocket on Saturdays. Bishonen | talk 10:37, 22 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

P.S. Bishzilla has now posted the study materials (=your inspirational cake gallery) for the course in a new fridge in Poet's Corner, and the class is underway in this cosy venue as we speak.[1][2] Everybody welcome! Bishonen | talk 19:24, 22 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Sumptuous, pictured, thanks for the offer, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:38, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. Reall nice. I might make a corner like that for myself. Gerda Arendt what on earth is somebody commenting on our jokes on your talkpage (userbox-whatewer?) Hafspajen (talk) 21:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

'Ha, all this cakes and have some Pumpkinpie. This is the Pumpkinpie this is the dog. Hafspajen (talk) 01:17, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

fogeyisms

Good afternoon; how pleasant to find an old acquaintance in my dovecot. How have you been these months or years?

For fogeyism, that was small potatoes. Try this œuvre (and my comment or perhaps fogeyish counterfogeyism).

Toodle pip! -- Hoary (talk) 13:59, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it bizarre what strange folks Wikipedia is comprised of, and what pet peeves they have? NE Ent 14:31, 22 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Ha. What could be more enjoyable than eradicating "comprised of" from the face of the earth?? (Except in quotes, of course. But that was just a mistake.) Go, go, Giraffe! Anyway, I like Joefromrandb, I hope he took that in the spirit it was offered. I like old fogeys altogether, if it comes to that. Dear talkpage stalkers, let's not start a thread about linguistic pet peeves, it can get murderously dull very fast. Please have some cake instead, and note your opinions of Hafspajen's offerings here! Bishonen | talk 14:38, 22 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

my reason

Not all who think the behemoth was a dinosaur are young earth creationists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 107.199.68.228 (talk) 20:03, 24 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

OK, then I understand better why you changed "some creationists" to "some humans". But such a minimal change of one word makes the sentence absurd, you know. You'd need to recast the whole sentence, because with the small change you made it sounds more like some humans, as opposed to some howler monkeys or some earthworms, believe the biblical Behemoth to be a sauropod. Bishonen | talk 20:21, 24 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

No offense to 107, but the "some humans" got me chuckling; it's like something our wikipedical Behemoth might say while expounding her expertise on the matter. In fact this whole thing looks like a setup for a Bishzilla-related joke, possibly including the Bishapod/Sauropod connection. I'll wait to see how this unfolds. vzaak 00:38, 25 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(Darwinbish goes to create her own long-heralded sock, little User:Behemoth). Pretty baby! (Tickles it under the chin.) Eat the humans! darwinbish ^BITE ☠ 18:14, 25 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

A quick message of thanks

For protecting my talk page last night. You were indeed correct that I couldn't do it myself - I had enough difficulty writing the message I did. I do appreciate it. Worm^TT(talk) 11:13, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're very welcome, but what an asshole, huh? I recently got myself a tablet, and it's good for some stuff, but I'd hate to try to perform a protection from it. The touchscreen keeps pretending I've touched some erogenous zone or something, and does a flurry of stuff I didn't intend! And that, mark you, is good and big (10-inch screen) compared to a phone. It's made me love my huge desktop monitor and keyboard the size of Michigan (I got it for Bishzilla) even more. Bishonen | talk 11:44, 26 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Typing on this Dell XPS-10 is not as nice as a real keyboard, but when the interface is properly designed even a screen the size of a hand can work. Eventually the design work will be done. Sometimes I use a stylus. Jim.henderson (talk) 12:06, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A right pain in the arse. I was merrily checking my emails yesterday evening and someone mentioned that my talk page had exploded - was rather surprised. As for the phone, it's all well and good zooming in and out, but pretty difficult to get to the right place at times. The erogenous zone problem would explain all the buzzing at least! I've always wondered how Bishzilla types, with those tiny arms and habit of breathing fire when annoyed... Worm^TT(talk) 12:08, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Bishzilla? No, no. She's got the firebreathing under control nowadays and only breathes lightly on little users in a spirit of fun, to curl their hair or impart a tan. But it's a true pleasure to see the armless little darwinfishes dancing around from key to key on the family keyboards! Agile little buggers. (I use a stylus for the tablet nearly always, Jim.henderson. Darwinbish clearly wishes she could handle one too, but what can you do. She laughs too much to hold it in her mouth.) Bishonen | talk 17:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Hi

Hi Bishonen -

I wanted to point out that it may have been a good thing you were asleep when Ed removed Giano's TPA. After Ed did so, Roger redid the same block, and made it clear that it was still an arbcom block. Even in the case of bad arbcom blocks, if an arb has put in a place a block that removes TPA from someone, modifying it would've been grounds for problems. I'm not meaning to be antagonistic in stating this - a lot of arbcom's actions have confused me over the last week and plenty of them I wish I could've reversed myself - I just wanted to point it out, because I actively don't want to see you desysopped. Kevin Gorman (talk)

Nice of you to say so, but I regret being asleep. I've always figured I wouldn't mind being desysopped in a good cause, and this one would have worked for me. Anyway, I don't believe it. Ed17 removed tpa, not Roger. Roger merely made sure everybody knew it was still an arbcom block. The fact that he didn't actively revert Ed 17's action isn't quite like he, Roger, had taken ownership of removing tpa, because you don't see him saying "do not modify the block without arbcom's consent", do you? No, he says "do not unblock with ArbCom's consent" (... uh? Yes, he says with, lol, I only just noticed. But I won't pursue that red herring.) Anyway, we could all have had a field day arguing about my desysopworthiness. This farce needs another act, surely. I'm credibly informed that both you and Giano have invested in the popcorn concessions. Bishonen | talk 17:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

bzzt, Bish, it's pöpcørn --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Well, well. Hafspajen (talk) 20:23, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There's a real issue at stake here. We elect Arbitrators to resolve disputes, not to re-create themselves as super-admins. There was no reason whatsoever that the block on Giano should carry any greater weight than any other block to prevent edit-warring. What makes some of that crew so full of themselves that they think they get to impose blocks that may not be touched just "because-we-say-so". Sod 'em; they need their noses rubbing into their mess so they realise how inept their high-handed treatment of others has become. --RexxS (talk) 21:48, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Totally, Rex. I agree with you completely, so much so I most likely wouldn't have merely restored tps, but unblocked Giano, if I'd been around in time for it. That's what I meant when I wrote on Giano's page that the block was done in a provocative manner: it provoked probably not so much him (G is cooler than you may think) as me; it made my unblock finger itch retrospectively. If it had been made clear that GorillaWarfare meant to undo the block herself as soon as the case was closed, I guess I'd have left it alone even though the superadmin "consent" thing angered me; but it was, foolishly, made anything but clear. To quote myself: when the blocking admin doesn't let on what it'll take to be unblocked, "indefinite" doesn't in practice just mean "could be any time, who knows"; no, it smells to high heaven of "to be unblocked if and only if you apologise, admit your mistakes, agree to learn to avoid previous pitfalls, work to address all of the issues, pave the road, seek redemption, face the music, show that you understand why exactly you were blocked and how right it was that you should be, and show remorse". So I might have unblocked, being as I am well aware that Giano wouldn't care to do even one of those things. To no practical advantage, of course; G would have been re-blocked and I desysopped faster than you could say Jack Robinson and perhaps even faster than I'd have a chance to warn Floquenbeam that he must recuse in the matter of my desysopping, lest it be seen as prejudicial that my sock has cybered with his. (Oh, Bishzilla! Oh, Floquenstein's monster! Bad freaks!) Anyway. I slept and it's all speculative. I missed my chance to go out in a blaze of glory and to put poor Floq on the spot. By the way, GorillaWarfare hasn't so far taken her chance to respond to me where I addressed her directly on Giano's page, so maybe not to either you or me here, either. But then she hasn't edited today, so perhaps we shall see. Bishonen | talk 23:54, 26 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Is "to cyber with someone" really a verb now?

I was about to go all NYB on you, and talk about how I would talk about things in the general case but didn't want to get into specifics about a fellow Arb's actions. But GW seems capable of handling constructive criticism, she already knows that, contra Giano, I generally respect her judgment, and I dislike the thin blue line theory of Arb'ing. So, since you've pinged me (or is it pung me?), I'll comment and constructively criticize.

I'm not going to argue with a block of some kind; I wouldn't have done it, nor would I have tried to redact one insult out of the 50 that are still there, but I think I understand why she did it (out of a feeling of fairness, I presume), and it wasn't out and out wrong. If you edit war with an Arb, on an Arbitration page, you can't realistically expect not to get blocked (although there are apparently no consequences when you block one?). However, I would really have liked to see it made clear at the time that the block was intended to be temporary, and intended to be lifted as soon as the case was closed. That would have been de-escalating, whereas the simple "indef block" approach was escalating. But so many people were escalating things yesterday, it seems unfair to single out one person. For example, "stupid woman" was pretty disappointing.

I go back and forth about the benefit of "don't unblock without ArbCom's permission". It's hard to know what would be the bigger risk of escalation, adding that phrase, or omitting it and dealing with the drama if someone had unblocked immediately. Maybe the sting of that phrase would have been taken out if it had been made clear it was a temporary block. I don't know. I'm pretty sure that even if I weren't an Arb, I'd take the position that maintaining order on an Arb page is ultimately an Arb's call.

I'm more concerned about ed's revocation of talk page access, seeing as how involved he was in the case (I can't bring myself to do the time-honored ALLCAPS version of involved). But contrary to Kevin's comment above, I'm fairly sure that even at the time he did it, ed said somewhere that another admin could undo that, so just undoing the protection wouldn't have been undoing an ArbCom-only sanction.

My recusal on this may have been a mistake, but "taking back" the recusal would have (if possible) made things even worse. I would, of course, have supported a desysop of Bishonen ... so that the tools could be given to Bishzilla instead. --Floquenbeam (talk) 00:34, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

But only because Floquenstein's monster would have made you do it, I know. "Is it a verb now?" [/me imitates the squeaky voice of young master Floquenbeam. ] You'll make the monster ashamed of your ignorance. Even Wiktionary has it. Cyber: Verb: cyber (third-person singular simple present cybers, present participle cybering, simple past and past participle cybered) (slang) To engage in cybersex. "Wanna cyber?" Anyway, congratulations, the Bradspeak is coming along nicely. Bishonen | talk 01:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Oh. That's disappointing. I was trying not to Bradspeak. --Floquenbeam (talk) 01:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Take comfort, you're far from perfect at it (yet!). I was thinking of one particular sentence. Never mind. I've taken onboard your comment about GorillaWarfare; clearly you know her better than I do. Maybe she's not having a really good day today, because I'm a little underwhelmed by what I see of the "handling constructive criticism" thing on Giano's page. As I've just said there. But it's always easier to carp from the sidelines, and she's in a difficult position. As will you be if we continue this line of talk. Take it to e-mail if you prefer. Or, well, not, because I'm pretty much talked out on the subject. Bishonen | talk 17:55, 27 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

There are significant consequences to blocking a sitting arbitrator [3] -- worse than an ANI thread, RFC/U, and desysopping combined -- we elect you to a future committee! sucker NE Ent 02:05, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) I don't get the outrage, is it because this happened to Giano or the circumstances of his block? Because I see regular editors indefinitely blocked every day, sometimes with no justification at all. I see IPs declared to be "socks" and indefinitely blocked even though they aren't submitted to an SPI and it's based only on suspicion (and it doesn't seem like it takes much evidence to meet WP:DUCK standards). It boggles my mind when I edit on a daily basis and see the amount of indefinite blocks given out, without warning, without a limited block first, they are given out casually every day without a second thought, sometimes with no block notice or explanation of how to get the block lifted. It goes 0>90 mph, sometimes within a few hours. I can only imagine how dazed and confused the editor is when they return to Wikipedia and find that they can no longer log in.

This is where someone else on your talk page says these are damnable statements and I must present diffs or retract my comments. But I'm not saying any particular admin is responsible, it's the environment of WP that these blocks happen without comment or objection. The editor must have done something heinous, right, or they would never have been blocked...such is the circular reasoning on Wikipedia.

I'm not saying being an admin is easy, you all have to make some hard calls. But I think the impact on a person when you shut down their ability to contribute to WP is severely underestimated. It's being silenced. Admins have that power and don't even have to be accountable to anyone. I'm not crying "admin abuse", I just find it puzzling how appalled some folks are with arbitrators when I'm sure every admin has made some bad calls that had much more impact on the affected editors than this temporary block had on Giano. Sorry for this tangent, Bish, but this is where I found the conversation happening. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:48, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe this is just me, but here's what I find to be the hardest part of being an admin. About 80% of the criticism you get is poorly thought out, abusive, or divorced from objective reality. But 20% is genuinely useful constructive criticism—people calling you out for mistakes you've made. The problem is finding the signal in the noise, and taking on board the genuinely thoughtful criticism while ignoring the nonsense and not letting it get under your skin. I think a lot of admins eventually take the very human shortcut of just dismissing 100% of criticism. (After all, they're right 80% of the time, which is passable in some lines of work). Anyway, that tendency may partially explain the atmosphere to which you allude.

Here's another thing that's hard, at least for me. I feel like Wikipedia is a bubble and I'm a visitor from another planet. The way people talk on this website absolutely reeks of a total lack of perspective. If I spend too long here, it starts to seem like the greatest injustice that can possibly befall a human being is to be prevented from contributing to one of the several million websites on the Internet. I mean, most of my problems are first-world problems, but even I recognize this attitude as ridiculous. I can't walk out of my door onto the street without seeing a dozen injustices more profound, and more worthy of our time and passion, than anything that happens on Wikipedia. I will never, ever understand people who spend weeks or months (or years) of their lives and their discretionary time fighting to restore the editing privileges of some incoherent axe-grinder. Surely there are more productive ways to satisfy the universal urge to feel self-righteous. If we could harness a fraction of the effort that people devote to griping about administrative decisions on this website, and redirect it to—I dunno, name a worthy cause that actually addresses a societal need in real peoples' lives—the world would be a significantly better place. MastCell ^Talk 08:03, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I think if you are open-minded and prepared to change your mind when presented with new evidence, then you should pick up a fair bit of the other 20% of criticism. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 08:51, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Liz - here is something to put this into perspective. There is a cohort of people here who spend more time at AN/I and arbitration boards and do little editing. That in and of itself I have no problem with. I do have more of a problem when people who don't do much content work try and dictate to how those that do. Furthermore, many who dictate the Fifth Pillar (as if a Commandment handed down on Mount Sinai) are themselves not following the First ~~Commandment~~ Pillar. What is even more frustrating is folks who are unable to extricate a view of the 'pedia outside these pages, and them assume to opine loudly and repeatedly on what would be Good For Wikipedia. There is a lot of background here that will bring on reams of argument if we go into too much specifics. I don't really have the free time or energy to go into it ATM..... Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 09:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The concern wasn't the block so much as an arbitrator declaring special status for the block in the absence of any committee action supporting the block. NE Ent 10:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting tired of watching everyone going around and around in circles. Has ever so much been written across many pages on two sites? No change will come from any of this. The arbcom is never going to condemn or censure one of their own. All criticism is neatly deflected. for example: a piece of satire (pointing out that GW is a clever, tough cookie who uses enablers to achieve her much applauded ends) questioned why it took two Arbs and an Admin to make the block; that was turned into apparent sexual abuse - ridiculous. They are just going to protect each other constantly and fight dirty; so be aware and either ignore or laugh at it. I shall continue to laugh at them and point out their foibles Giano (talk) 10:54, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

PS: Come to think of it, it has never has been adequately explained why Ms Warfare needed another Arb and an Admin to assist her in blocking one ordinary common garden editor (me) or why she had my talk page access removed. I do hope that she doesn't think I have forgotten about this because she will be labouring under a severe delusion if she does. Giano (talk) 18:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note from GorillaWarfare (moved by me)

Sorry, but it really doesn't fit well anywhere in the section above.

Hi Bishonen. I've responded to similar points as those you've mentioned above at Giano's talk page. GorillaWarfare (talk) 01:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You mean

You mean me in this editnotice ?

I am a flower.

Hafspajen (talk) 17:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Er.. what? You are a flower, The Hafspaj, but I wasn't thinking of you with the young mandarin tree, no. I took it from Penyulap's userpage. Bishonen | talk 17:32, 26 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Well good then. Hafspajen (talk) 17:38, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Top world news

Hi, could you salt this one as well: Top_world_news. I made an AIV report for six creations of the same promo article, but that may be the wrong place. vzaak 21:17, 26 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as JamesBWatson salted it a few minutes ago, it probably was the right place. :-) Me, I got the capitalized version from stalking your page. Useful place! Perhaps more to the point, I've indeffed the user. Just in case they think of more spellings, and more talkpage harassment. Bishonen | talk 21:28, 26 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Talkback message from Tito Dutta

Hello, Bishonen. You have new messages at User_talk:Bishonen/Clueless_complaints_about_Sitush_noticeboard.
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Tito☸Dutta 05:29, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Breeding gundogs

Lady Catherine's gillie teaching her out-of-control gundog to "sit"

Dearest little Mrs Bishonen, as I expect you know my gundogs are the talk of every estate from Sandringham to Garganta. Only on Boxing Day, Her Majesty's head keeper was heard to say that he had never seen a Labrador catch and eat a pheasant as fast as that of Lady Catherine. In fact the dear Queen often suggests I leave them at home, obviously knows they will put her own to shame. Now you are doubtless wondering why am I here, talking about aristocratic pursuits and skills that someone like you can only dream of. Well! it's like this, the breeding of superior pets if a fine and precise science; it requires great care, attention and genetic study; but I have heard that Mr Floquenbeam has not been as careful with his pet as he could be. In fact, it's been escaping for shocking nocturnal activities and while, naturally, my own well bred pets would never look at such a common and unrefined creature, the same cannot be said for yours. In fact, there's a very ugly rumour circulating that Bishzilla has not been as chaste as one would hope. I only tell you of these distressing rumours because I'm your very dearest, dearest friend and it gives me no pleasure at all; quite the reverse, but I know you'll want to deny them. Assuming, that is, you can? The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 11:52, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

[Evasively.] Who.. ? How dare you impugn Bishzilla's spotless reputation, you notorious old creature? Granted, she's playful.. [gathers confidence], but so are you, aren't you! Back in the day, and right now in your disgraceful old age! Bishzilla's little flirtation with Floquenstein's monster is hardly to be mentioned on the same day as your footman-chasing. Bishonen | talk 12:11, 27 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

I hope you are not suggesting that I have ever behaved with the anything, but the utmost decorum. I can only say that I am disappointed, but not surprised by your unladylike reaction. I have long thought that you probably had never been properly finished. Funnily enough, you may be interested to know that I am thinking of running a course for Wikipedia's young ladies to teach them how to acquire a sophisticated polish (that's the shine a sparkle variety not that nice Mr Piotrus). I will teach a little embroidery, a little French conversation and of course my speciality, flower arranging - my greatest skill which darlingest Giano mentioned earlier today I expect there will be quite a few of our young ladies interested dear little Mrs Risker and that Ms Warfare too; so I would sign up early if I were you. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 12:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Offended

I can't believe I had to make this edit myself. Just because I'm not around doesn't mean I don't have feelings. I thought we were friends! Tex (talk) 15:18, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Dear Tex! Thanks for offering. I didn't dare ask it of you, what with your milling offspring. Hey, maybe the Tex Babies can curate my page also? Bishonen | talk 15:24, 27 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Ha! Baby 2 is in that stage that he will definitely tell you when he doesn't like something. He has an opinion and isn't afraid to voice that opinion even if he's not "talking" yet. Lot's of screaming and gnashing of gums, that's for sure. Hope all is well with the Bishpack! Tex (talk) 17:29, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oh what fun; I insist on being his Godmother; you must send them him to me for a little holiday. I've had endless (I can't remember quite how many) babies and what laughter we had with them; I remember when I accidently left Iolanthe on a train; Nanny was so cross with me, but it didn't matter because Nanny eventually found her in the abandoned luggage department at Aberdeen six weeks later, and she'd had a lovely time - we think. Then there was my eldest, Hugo; we used to love to play hide and seek together. He eventually won that game when I sent to boarding school, aged five, and forgot the name of the school. Anyway, my advice is to just enjoy you lovely children and don't employ a nanny - they just spend their entire lives complaining and looking sour at one. Just look at my children now - all very rounded individuals, apart from Muriel, but she was always an odd, nervous and ungrateful child. I just can't wait for Little Tex to come to and stay with me. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 17:49, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

An honor to speak to you, My Lady. However, I have heard stories about the debauchery that often occurs in your midst. While I respect you immensely, I would rather not have your manservants corrupting my children. With all due respect, of course. Tex (talk) 20:59, 27 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Pish posh, Tex. The manservants, especially dear Sven, are far too busy running away from Lady Catherine's lewd advances to be corrupting any nippers, so you don't have anything to worry about. Bishonen | talk 21:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC).[reply]

Mrs Bishonen, I do certainly hope when I become elderly I don't become as lewd as you in old age. The Lady Catherine de Burgh (talk) 12:57, 28 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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 :The concern wasn't the block so much as an arbitrator declaring special status for the block in the absence of any committee action supporting the block. <small>[[User talk:NE Ent|NE Ent]]</small> 10:29, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
 :::*I'm getting tired of watching everyone going around and around in circles. Has ever so much been written across many pages on two sites? No change will come from any of this. The arbcom is never going to condemn or censure one of their own. All criticism is neatly deflected. for example: a piece of satire (pointing out that [[User:GorillaWarfare|GW]] is a clever, tough cookie who uses enablers to achieve her much applauded ends) questioned why it took two Arbs and an Admin to make the block; that was turned into apparent sexual abuse - ridiculous. They are just going to protect each other constantly and fight dirty; so be aware and either ignore or laugh at it. I shall continue to laugh at them and point out their foibles <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Giano|<font color="blue">Giano</font>]]</span>   [[User talk:Giano|'''(talk)''']] 10:54, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
+::::*PS: Come to think of it, it has never has been adequately explained why [[User:GorillaWarfare|Ms Warfare]] needed another Arb and an Admin to assist her in blocking one ordinary common garden editor (me) or why she had my talk page access removed. I do hope that she doesn't think I have forgotten about this because she will be labouring under a severe delusion if she does. <span style="text-shadow:grey 0.2em 0.2em 0.1em; class=texhtml">[[User:Giano|<font color="blue">Giano</font>]]</span>   [[User talk:Giano|'''(talk)''']] 18:10, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
 ==Note from GorillaWarfare (moved by me)==