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Your GA nomination of Ashford, Kent

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I got a second review which found far more issues (most of which will improve the article), so I've put it back on review for the minute. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:26, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

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Eric Lee

Not finding much on the guy, and it's tricky since there are at least two other musicians named Eric Lee. His official website's dead, and I'm only finding places that sell his CD. Also, most of the page appears to be copied from here. Ten Pound Hammer • ^{(What did I screw up now?)} 18:26, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, thanks for looking. I thought if anyone would have an idea about him, you would. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:30, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Denmark Street

Sorry, had to decline. http://www.denmarkstreet.fr/DS/History.html has a web page date of 12 April 2014 17:50:35 - the en-wiki page has all that data before that date. Cannot check for earlier versions of that site as there is no Web Archive - which is a bit suspect with an alleged year of 2011 at the bottom. Suspect {{backwardscopy}}  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 00:50, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Okay, not a problem. There's definitely some copying going on, and after I noticed the fire date did not match a book source, I was suspicious about the other content. There has been some copying going on, that's for sure. In any case, hopefully I can largely rewrite the article so this point will become moot. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:29, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

My complaint

I do not agree with you. I am absolutely certain that "Jesus Christ, you are angry, don't get you bowels etc etc etc," was intended to be offensive. Suggesting that it was "light-hearted" shows a certain disregard for common courtesy? Where are you coming from?

At what point are people sanctioned? If I use the word "nigger" as an insult, does someone take action? If I use the name of the prophet of Islam as a profanity, does someone take action? If I state that I fucked your mother, does someone take action? You closed the discussion while I was in the middle of writing a reply. I want the people who responded to read my reply and pay some attention to it. Amandajm (talk) 08:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I responded to the thread in the hope that the conversation would die down and people would get back to improving articles. As this essay rightly says, conflict can be addictive and should be avoided at all costs where it interferes with writing articles.

I tend to follow Jon Postel's mantra of "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send" - that applies to computer programs, but it works well with written conversation. This means I personally won't use the "f" word in discussions (there are exceptions in articles) but if somebody else used it, I would look at the context and not immediately assume offence. At the end of the day, you're a highly experienced editor, as are all the other editors who've commented at ANI. Why fall out with them? It won't benefit the encyclopaedia.

Take some time away from Wikipedia (not long, half a day should be enough) and have a look at some of the off-wiki essays I linked to. You should feel much better as a result. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:17, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK hook

The reason why I wish to maintain the reference to "gender" rather than simply say "because she was a woman" is that the word "gender" in itself has connotations that go far beyond simply saying "she can't be ordained because she is a woman". The Roman Catholic Church doesn't ordain women, and up to this point in time, the ordination of women hasn't been a really big issue, except on a limited scale and without a great deal of publicity. So the fact that women are not ordained seems natural to any Roman Catholic.

In the Anglican Communion it is another matter. Women have been ordained in most countries since about 1994 and earlier in New Zealand and the Episcopal Church in the US. In the 1980s there was a very powerful Movement for the Ordination of Women in Sydney, of which Dr Patricia Brennan, another very significant woman who is recently deceased, was the president. The Sydney Diocese maintained their strong opposition. They were the richest and most populous diocese in the world, and they put their money, and the young men that they trained at Moore Theological College behind there efforts to make sure that it didn't happen in Australia. There efforts included taking another diocese to the high court. They lost the fight in the UK, and over most of Australia, but maintained influence in some Australian diocese, as well as parts of Africa.

If you want a picture of the situation, this is very telling [1] and really worth watching as it gives a clear image of the sort of situation under which Margaret Rodgers succeeded in functioning, and makes her success all the more remarkable. If you look at the right hand menu, you can fast-forward to "Marriage and Submission". Don't miss the question from the young gay man and the cunning avoidance of answering it by the continued repetition of how important the question is and how much it deserves discussion.. Amandajm (talk) 11:56, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

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Alright my little bot, requested move time it is. If there is an equally significant Hyde Park in the US or elsewhere, I will have learned something. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:59, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Reculver FAC

Hello Ritchie333, could I trouble you for a revisit of the issue of sources at the Reculver FAC? Things have moved on a bit, and Ian Rose has asked for further input from you.[2] As things stand, hamiltonstone supports, Hchc2009 opposes, and I'm baffled! But there remain a couple of ways I can take things forward, and I'd very much appreciate it if you'd review developments since you last commented (per the first diff above, here it is again) and give your view, which I think I'd better take as final. This would help me decide how to proceed, and I'd be very grateful for it. Of course, if you'd rather not, then I apologise for the intrusion! Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 13:08, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi - I'll see what I can do, but to be honest I need to read through the whole article and spot check sources (where I can), which is likely to take two full evenings that I just don't have. Anyway, I do realise you're frustrated about lack of feedback, and from a brief look through it does look to be a good and thorough article about Reculver. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:49, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Well it looks like this evening's out for sure, happy birthday! Obviously you can only do what you have time for, and I appreciate the kind words – I hope you don't mind, but I think I might drop a note on the FAC to say I've asked you, so that things don't start to look too stale. I mean to put absolutely zero pressure on you by doing that – just, if you find time to have a look, great, if not I'll have to decide what to do at some point anyway. Have a great evening! Cheers. Nortonius (talk) 18:14, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Denmark Street

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Happy birthday

Additional candles not pictured

This way for pipe and slippers

Yes, talk page stalkers, I am now officially a grizzled old fart. Where's the cake? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 17:53, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Denmark Street

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DYK for Brewmeister (brewery)

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Poker Face?

FOR SALE : Unwanted gift. One careful owner

Quite informative (and even amusing): [3]. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I confess I am generally ignorant of the modern pop world, having grown up in the late 80s where you could buy Made in Japan and Thick as a Brick on vinyl for less money than the typical Rolf Harris work is now being sold for. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:39, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

ah ... just didgeridon't. "...stretching those rock and roll barriers" (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 12:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

No Stairway to Heaven? Denied! On a serious note, can you imagine what would happen if The Sun found all those pictures of bell ends over on Commons and decided it was a bad thing? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Family Days Out near to Bell End? Am more worried about the bell ends over at The Sun. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:01, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. ([4]) Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:17, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

LMAO. I have a theory that eventually all of my childhood TV heroes of the 70s and 80s will eventually all turn out to be "kiddy tamperers". Even Timmy Mallet's Pinky Punky will be in court before long!! Superb work Ritchie on Denmark Street BTW, amazing how much it's come long in such a short space of time, Most impressed! Hopefully it'll pass GA tomorrow.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:02, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Hopefully if we can just iron out a few wrinkles in the sources it will, yes. It's come a long way in the last week and a bit. Just look at where we were back then. Hurrah for the power of collaborative editing! And also the line "Many properties on Denmark Street will be demolished" has been comprehensively debunked to be completely wrong. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:06, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

Sadly most wiki articles are like the way it was. I was just browsing through some of the London tube stations, major ones like Piccadilly and Leicester Square and could not believe they weren't decent. Given how much traffic the articles must get you'd think "somebody" would care.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:13, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I think most people who read Wikipedia don't know what a GA is, let alone why it's important. Most people don't care that you've got proper book sources with perfectly formatted ISBNs, even though if you pick up any history book worth reading, you'll find that's exactly what they do. And I've certainly seen arguments re sourcing where the response has been akin to "oh come on, it's an article about an album, not the bloody Israeli-Palestine conflict" and people are against proper sourcing and inline citations. Mind you, I've never really bought into the whole em/en dash issue or the intricacies of inbox formatting.

The trouble is, just getting an article to GA status can be a lot of work. Denmark Street was very quick to get close to it. I've been slogging through The White Album and it's taking forever to get even close - I look at all the completely uncited stuff about variations of Canadian cassette reissues and just want to bang my head against a desk and cry. And then there's Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs - one of my favourite albums ever, languishing with uncited or questionably cited quotations and tags. I feel an essay coming on.... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:05, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm happy to help you promote The White Album. I don't actually think it needs much more to pass and you're being too self critical! Still, for such a major album it's got to be a decent article (which it looks to be).♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:25, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Since you're here, here's a pop quiz for you. Let's say you're stewarding one of these album articles, and in the space of 24 hours, four separate IPs add edits in good faith but make the article worse. Adding genres, changing track times, changing British to American spelling, adding non-notable unrelated trivia such as a fan recording. All totally unsourced, of course. Let's say you catch and revert all four of them. Now, at that point, you've broken WP:3RR. The IPs are long gone, their addresses recycled, and the talk page just has your one post pointing to a laundry list of policies. You can't discuss, and you may well feel the next IP edit merits reverting. So an admin can legitimately block you. How do you extract yourself from that situation? Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:10, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Report it and ask several other people to revert until the ips are blocked?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:02, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Denmark Street

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A hearty congratulations!!! Well done!!! Thanks for the award!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:55, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Ritchie, I noticed that you commented on the peer review for future-FAC Katy Perry. As you're an experienced editor aware of the FA criteria, I was wondering if you could copyedit or give me some suggestions on the "Writing and recording"/"Composition" sections of my sandbox, on which I'm restructuring Trouble (Natalia Kills album), an article which I've been improving since September 2013. I think your suggestions would greatly improve the chances of getting my first FA! Thank you in advance, and no worries if you don't want to. :) pedro | talk 19:44, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I find it ironic I'm being consulted on my FA skills when I've never actually put an article through FA myself (I did give it a go with Keith Moon last year and there were some supports, but hey ho - it's still a GA, and that'll do). I had a quick look and there's nothing immediately obvious that stands out in being wrong - the obvious thing is to check your non-free files (which I assume the album art and music samples are) and make sure the fair use rationales are watertight. For example, the cover art in the infobox should not be any larger anywhere on WP. I'll see if I can have a more in-depth look next week. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 19:53, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

I actually just want you to review those two sections I mentioned in the sandbox. (Text, obviously). But thank you pedro | talk 20:06, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Real Ale

Busy on the "wireless"....

Hi Ritchie, Kent's nearest meetup is next Sunday and we have real ale on tap. ϢereSpielChequers 11:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Yum. Unfortunately there is no possible way of me getting to a meetup in the forseeable future (assuming the London ones run on Sunday afternoons) due to my radio show and especially not next weekend as I've got to shuffle kids around from visiting other relatives before all that. Sorry. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:59, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Ah, well that's a good excuse. The London Meetups are on Sundays and seem to be immovable, though the following month has been expanded to a 72 hour event but we have other things going on in London on other days - hopefully listed here. ϢereSpielChequers 12:21, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

The principal problem - and this definitely isn't having a go at you or any other Wikipedians I've met - is that Rhonda and I like to do things together as a couple where possible. Gigs, radio shows, family days out etc. Unfortunately the general atmosphere of Wikimedia events ("Come to Wikimania! Pay money to sit in a room with a laptop!") and the Wikipedia community (or at least the more vocal flavour that turns up at ANI and noticeboards) is a complete and utter turn-off that scares her away. WP:BITE squared. She'd probably get on well with Natasha (they're both teachers) if she popped along to a meetup but otherwise it would be hit and miss. So, while I personally would quite like to pop along to another meetup, it has to go to the bottom of priorities. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:41, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

HiQ Easytyre and Autocentres

Hi Richie333,

Thanks for your note about HiQ Easy Tyre and Autocentres and there are a few points I want to raise with everyone.

Firstly, we are still building out the content as we learn so would appreciate a little bit of help and patience from everyone rather than just people saying delete pages.

Secondly, the HiQ brand is owned by Goodyear Dunlop but operates under a number of regional sub brands - HiQ is the national brand a Easy Tyre is the sub brand. So it is comparable with the likes of Kwik Fit.

Thirdly, it is slightly against the idea behind Wikipedia to only focus on the 'big brands' especially when we have a lot of local interest content that is being built into the pages with external references.

It is also worth noting that we are getting a lot of issues with people taking over the digital presence of Easy Tyre & Autocentres who do not actually own the brand - this is happening on a lot of social networks and obviously Wikipedia is something where people can get the right information on the brand, ownership and other important information.

Always happy to talk and love feedback on how to improve things.

TG — Preceding unsigned comment added by TerraceGent (talk • contribs) 13:52, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

The CEO of Wal-Mart doesn't like this picture, but it's within Wikipedia policies and guidelines

@TerraceGent: Hi. I think it's important to make a couple of points. Firstly, despite what a lot of companies think, the presence or absence of a Wikipedia article really doesn't make too much of a difference to its success. For example, D&D Autos, a local repair company to me, have a strong turnover and financial success, yet they do not have a Wikipedia article. The best place to put correct factual information about yourself is on your own website - people will believe you are telling "your" side of the story.

Secondly, once you are considered important and significant enough to have a Wikipedia article, you are stuck with it. If, in the future, a BBC Midlands news report states that the business has failed, has been bought out by a competitor, or a company director has been arrested and charged for dangerous driving, that can be used as a reliable source and the negative information can go in the article for anyone to see at the end of a Google search. An article about your business is nothing to be proud of - so think twice and ask yourself if you really want one!

Thirdly, I don't think anyone deletes pages that are created in good faith by new editors for fun. It's a really difficult balance, and if it seems unfair, it is at least supposed to be consistently unfair across the board for everybody. Creating a new article is a popular way into editing Wikipedia regularly, and trying to find a way of staying within established policies, while trying not to scare new users away is one of the toughest challenges we face. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 14:07, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the feedback you sent over and I have made the changes you suggested --TerraceGent (talk) 16:09, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Joyce Green Hospital

I've added an infobox and done a few tweaks. The website in the EL section looks useful for expanding the article. Do you have access to The Times archive online? Mjroots (talk) 21:34, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Afraid I don't. I wish I did as some other Wikipedians do. As I'm doing more and more research these days, maybe I should see what some of the Highbeam and other online research offers are, so I can take advantage of. This article was pretty easy to get off the ground with some Google Books research. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:49, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I take it that you are in the UK. I get access via Kent County Council's website with my library card. Mjroots (talk) 08:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'm in Kent, but my sources are generally either online via Google Books or Newspapers (which seem to be getting better year on year), or by physically buying "dead-tree" versions - Ashford, Kent used a bunch of history books I picked up in a local bookshop cheaply. I have been meaning to pop along to Kent County Archives at some point and have a look - my dad has been done family and local history for decades and knows archive facilities inside out. I last saw my library card in about 2007, so who knows where it is now :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:50, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Looks like you'll need to get a new card then. Mjroots (talk) 10:00, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

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Do you ever get the feeling that some days nothing you do goes right?  :-/ Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Dartford Crossing

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Hyde Park and Kensington Gardens

Would be great I think to get both to GA. I think Hyde Park would be the tougher of the two and has a great deal more material to cover. Obviously Hyde Park is a key article not only for London but for UK music too. Probably easier to do Kensington first.♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

I think to start off we need a good source or two. I can dig up travel guides and a basic introduction, but for a GA quality article, using those for major amounts of the facts just sounds, well, wrong. I did start doing sourcing for both and realised how little I know about either. If you want to concentrate on Kensington, I'll give Hyde Park a go, as Stones in the Park (the only article I started and got to GA) and related festivals mean I have a bit more of an idea about it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 21:12, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hyde Park is more of a priority I think. Perhaps do that first?♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:01, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I'll start working through that. I'm always a little wary of putting up a GA that I don't have a reasonable working knowledge of, everything I've put up so far is something I feel I have a good handle on the subject. As I said, I'll want to arm myself with at least two well respected books. That will probably result in an explosion of content, after which we can use online / Google Books sources to finesse the details. For light relief, I may break off and quickly take You Never Give Me Your Money to GA status, which I can probably do in an evening (I've cobbled together an eight track composite of the song from stuff online and am using it as a test to teach myself Logic / Pro Tools mixing). Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:05, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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I have looked at the article and cannot see any coverage in reliable sources, so I'm afraid I've had no choice but to nominate it for deletion. I'm sorry you think I don't improve articles, which is disappointing to hear as I have taken over to 20 articles to good article status and am in the middle of improving several others at the moment. Chill. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 16:46, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you!

	The Special Barnstar
	For your considerable efforts to promote articles like Denmark Street and Dartford Crossing, having the ability to get poor quality articles up to GA status in a short period of time. Most impressed! Keep up the great work! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:23, 12 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of University of Michigan Men's Glee Club

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That's grrrrrrrreat! Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:46, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

John Dewey School

Schools count as organizations, which is covered under A7. Not sure where the A1 came from though; Twinkle on tiny phone screen isn't the best... Ansh666

According to the criteria for A7, the guidelines explicitly say "with the exception of educational institutions", which a school is. I think this is generally because a legitimate school can be redirected to somewhere else in the worst instance. You'll have to wait for the AfD to close, or PROD it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 08:48, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

AAAAh, didn't remember that part, and the Twinkle summary doesn't include that, as far as I can recall. Sorry! (BTW, the AfD discussion doesn't exist...) Ansh666 11:20, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I generally prefer manually adding the {{db-meta}} derived tags and leaving a personalised message. Anyway, I've procedurally completed the AfD, as I assumed the editor who tagged it wanted it to go there. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:43, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I guess that works...I usually don't complete incomplete nominations with no rationale given, as they're generally closed under WP:SK#1. Looks like this one was bad enough, though! Thanks, Ansh666 01:11, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Dartford Crossing

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Hi Ritchie, congratulations on such a high profile GA. I have nominated it for DYK, here-any alternative hooks are welcome. Thanks, Matty.007 13:00, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Hmmm. The hook you've given isn't really that "gosh, I never knew that" (Not Guilty had almost three times as many takes) and I can't think of an obvious alternative at the mo. I'll leave the DYK nomination for somebody else. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:03, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, I'll know what to hook Not Guilty with if you get it to GA... 36 seems a lot to me as more of a lay person regarding music, is the alt any better? Thanks, Matty.007 13:07, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Let me ping @EEng: and his "rib-tickling hooks for all the family" service and see if he can spin a yarn out of it. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:39, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm flattered -- see nom page. Not really a family rib-tickler, but I think it should grab the attention of aging Beatles fans, and maybe rope in a few new ones. EEng (talk) 15:05, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of The Beatles (album)

The article The Beatles (album) you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needing to be addressed. If these are fixed within 7 days, the article will pass; otherwise it may fail. See Talk:The Beatles (album) for things which need to be addressed. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of SNUGGUMS -- SNUGGUMS (talk) 03:40, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Congrats on getting this to GA :)! SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 01:05, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for a great review. This article has been a long slog to get to GA, so it's good to finally make it. Paging @Matty.007: for the DYK... Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 06:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Would you suggest crediting SNUGGUMS and Dan56? I've got some hooks here, but I suspect you can think of something better. Thanks, Matty.007 10:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

It was my pleasure, sir. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 13:30, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Long-term abuse report

@SummerPhD:, @Ghmyrtle:, @Chaheel Riens:, @SchroCat:, @De728631:, @Bretonbanquet: - could you all take a look at User:Ritchie333/LTA report? It's a draft for what I'm going to call the "best known for IP", and you've all (AFAIK) had edits reverted by them. Please could you take a look and flesh out the report and make any corrections necessary. I've never filed a LTA report before (and I hope never to again), but this case has been going on-off for a good 18 months. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 11:23, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Famspear: has also had some less than happy dealings with this individual as well. - SchroCat (talk) 15:51, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I had no idea he'd annoyed so many people. I'll make my comment tomorrow, cheers. Bretonbanquet (talk) 02:07, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

You Never Give Me Your Money has been nominated for Did You Know

Oops, sorry about that. The bot apparently can't tell that [[Category:Passed DYK nominations from July 2014]] is a valid category. APerson (talk!) 14:48, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

APerson: is the bot running now, or still in trials? Thanks, Matty.007 14:49, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Still in trials, but all the bot's code is finished and I'm just ironing out this one bug. APerson (talk!) 14:50, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

That's good. Thanks, Matty.007 14:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for You Never Give Me Your Money

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 16:25, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Alex Rae Dyk

Thanks for your review of Template:Did you know nominations/Alex Rae (rugby union) but another editor has questioned your review. Can you amend it and reinstate the green tick please? The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 07:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I have replied. This is the third accusation I have seem from this editor regarding copyright violations without a shred of evidence, and it's getting disruptive now. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 07:37, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Dartford Crossing

Toll booths, yesterday

Hi,

You have reverted my corrections to the Dartford Crossing page for reasons I don't understand. You simply note "too much falsification of sources", whereas I was simply correcting relatively trivial errors. For example: "The crossing has always been tolled" - not correct; there has not been a toll at the crossing since 2003 "Charge for motorcycle w. Dart Tag - Free" - not correct, Motorcycles cannot use Dart Tag - the charge is not defined.

Could you explain what you disliked about my corrections?

Thanks, Dartfordian (talk) 09:03, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll give a fuller explanation on Talk:Dartford Crossing later, but a brief summary:

• "A toll was payable since the first tunnel opened" - should read "A toll has been payable since the first tunnel opened"
• "The charge collection booths" vs "The toll booth" - to the man in the street, a road you have to pay to drive over is a toll, a "charge collection" is legalese (several problems here)
• "regularly carries 160,000 vehicles or more" - the source does not say it regularly carries that level, but merely that it may do
• "Construction work on the free-flow scheme started in early 2014." - the source just said "preparation"
• "a daily average of 136,000 vehicles." - the source gave an exact figure
• "Officers may stop and direct traffic on the crossing and its approach roads, and must be in uniform to exercise their powers." - removed for no reason, given it was sourced Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 09:18, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for the response, and happy to continue on Talk: Dartford Crossing Page, but just to confirm:

• A toll has been payable since the first tunnel opened" - no, a toll was payable from 1960 to 2003. In 2003 the toll was converted to a road user charge
• "The charge collection booths" vs "The toll booth" - to the man in the street, a road you have to pay to drive over is a toll, a "charge collection" is legalese - I just disagree with this. There is a clear distinction between a congestion charge and a toll. No man in the street refers to London Congestion Charge as a toll. With the introduction of Dart Charge and C logo at Dartford continued reference toll is, I suggest, incorrect and misleading
• "regularly carries 160,000 vehicles or more" - the source does not say it regularly carries that level, but merely that it may do- the crossing carries >160,000 vehicles roughly once per week - I will find you a source. Clearly it may carry up to 180,000 as this is the maximum measured flow
• "Construction work on the free-flow scheme started in early 2014." - the source just said "preparation" - 'preparation' (however defined) clearly started long before 2014, as there was a consultation on the changes in 2012. However, construction work started in early 2014, so I tried to convey what I assumed the original author meant
• "a daily average of 136,000 vehicles." - the source gave an exact figure - I ameded 136,015 (which is simply the total divided by 365) to a round figure; this seemed the more accessible number for the man in the street you quote above
• "Officers may stop and direct traffic on the crossing and its approach roads, and must be in uniform to exercise their powers." - removed for no reason, given it was sourced - this is a reference to Highways Agency Traffic Officers in general (see Highways Agency Traffic Officer page) there is nothing unique to Dartford Crossing in this statement (it is comparable to saying that users of the crossing should drive on the left)

Happy to be advised, but was simply trying to make the page factually correct. Dartfordian (talk) 10:02, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Normandy landings

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for University of Michigan Men's Glee Club

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:28, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Chilean IP

By the way, the blocks on that IP go back to 2010 not 2012 as you state in your report. I've provided links to 2011 reports but I'm sure it is older than that. WCM_email 10:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

White Album

Congrats! My apologies, I had 4 or 5 reviews to do and knew there was one missing!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:42, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Cheers Blofeld. Might do Yellow Submarine next. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if Did you know: ... that 'We all live in a yellow submarine? would get through? Thanks, Matty.007 13:27, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Let's not run before we can walk - there's a lot of completely uncited content about the cover that will need sorting first. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 13:38, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Help Please

Hello,

Will you please address my problem I've mentioned today (July 22) here => Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk?

Thanks!

Elmo Hope DYK

Thank you for your help with Template:Did you know nominations/Elmo Hope.

I took the problem with internal links to a Help page and got this answer – Help talk:Citation Style 1#sfn and page internal links. Implementing it appears to me to work and to be preferable to the {{rp}} solution. Any objection to using what is suggested on that page? EddieHugh (talk) 14:23, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

@EddieHugh: - not at all. I only know a few tricks on citation templates that I just learned through doing them again and again. If you can make the change, I'll have a look at the diff and see how it works for next time. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:34, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. I've made the changes; they work on my system. EddieHugh (talk) 15:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Aha - all becomes clear. I'm a "learn by doing" man and just can't get to grips with things unless I see practical examples in front of me. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 15:53, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

List of Hammond organ players

@Binksternet:, @Dr. Blofeld:, @SNUGGUMS:, @EddieHugh: and friends - I thnk List of Hammond organ players is finally getting close to being a featured list candidate. Could you check it over and spot any obvious mistakes, and if it all looks okay I will put it up for a nomination. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:03, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Added minor fixes. I'm not familiar with the FL criteria, but wish you all the best with it. EddieHugh (talk) 12:29, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks Eddie. I'm not either but hopefully someone I pinged is! I'll keep you posted. Ritchie333 ^{(talk) (cont)} 12:33, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

I've done some tweaking. Should be good now. SNUGGUMS (talk · contribs) 17:53, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

confused and a little offended over my message

I added two things to the Keith Moon page. Being that was my first time ever adding to a page i coudnt understand why my stuff kept getting deleted so that's why i kept putting it back. Im a huge Keith fan and i know the two things I put were 100% accurate, and i didnt know how to add the source. If you yourself googled my two contributions you would see that they are facts and not speculations. Zak Starkey was infact Keiths Godson and brought him his first drum kit when he was a kid, and taught him to play. Keith was actually closer with Zak than he was his own daughter due to Kim leaving him, Mandy Moon didnt know her father very well. Fact number two was Keith did infact pay a thug 200 pounds to break Ian McLagans fingers (To ruin his career, since he played the keyboard) because he hated the fact Ian took Kim from him, he always loved Kim. Pete Townsend heard what Keith done and paid the thug another 200 pounds not to carry it out. Ironically the "Thug" that was hired was the driver for the Small Faces so Ian knew him very well and was very grateful to Pete for helping him because Ian said the guy was a nut. Now like i said it could be googled and you can see it was all facts, i being new, and lastnight being the first time using it, i innocently kept putting it back because i thought my two things were great contributions and thought i was doing it wrong. I dont know where or how to put the references. I seen your message that im being watched and could be blocked, why? Bcause i was a misinformed, and an unsure user who was just trying to add cool peices of Info? I dont even no if i wrote this out right. Im sure theyll be a problem with this too im sure.