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Plip!

In the light of this I feel the above is the strongest admonishment that could possibly be justified. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Precious again

kindness and constancy
Thank you for being the reliable source in person, trusting your friends even if people say they deceive you, teaching me vocabulary ("impervious to advice") and abbreviations (you know what I mean). Thank you for your faithful presence, - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (5 October 2009)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:27, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Three years ago, you were the 25th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, repeated in br'erly style, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:39, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks For that Deletion of PORN Page

		A beer on me!
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Glad I could help. — Ched :  ?  12:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Ched, if you check out the WP:ANI threads, you can see that this user is creating problems as they are on some sort of campaign. Did the user page really warrant deletion? If it did contain an image gallery, were the images offensive? If so, couldn't the gallery simply be removed without deleting the entire page? —Farix (t | c) 16:27, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

The images were of anal beads, BDSM, spreading, etc. and those all qualify as sexually provocative to a reasonable person. The user page guideline is clear that sexually provocative images do not belong on user pages. All the user pages are connected by edits to each other pages and even mentioning the other's page on one. Please stop with the personal insults questioning editors motives FAX. If you are going to insist on attacking at least be specific. Try to at least identify the campaign as some sort of sounds weak and indecisive. There is nothing worse than a poorly done attack. 172.56.8.170 (talk) 18:14, 25 February 2015 (UTC) P.S. CHED Thanks another beer is on the way.

		A beer on me!
		Something to wash down the bitter taste of drama, soon you will be drunk enough to not notice it!

Some of the illustrations are fine, others might make me want to wretch. But that's my problem, not the pictures' problem. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

In fact, it would be better to restore that user page and its history, make sure the user page looks like a normal user page, and then fully-protect it to keep someone from reverting back, which seems to be the IP's fear. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 20:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@TheFarix:. No, I haven't had a chance yet to look at ANI. The page I deleted I did feel was a valid "Web Host" deletion. The page was just a gallery of pictures of porn, and even half of those had been deleted from "Commons" (which is notorious for accepting such stuff). I suppose I could have just blanked the page, but - given the nature of the page, the abandonment by the user, I'm comfortable with the deletion. If another admin wants to revert, that's fine too. I'm not a prude, and I even enjoy an attractive woman in all her splendor. Still, this is an encyclopedia - and while I know we need diagrams and pictures to enhance various biological and medical articles - I think being the inside of a teenagers gym locker is a bit lame for our project. My guess is that the user made it through puberty, became a bit more mature, and moved on.

Yea, ... I remember the great "WebHamster / no bush" debate of '08. The Sanger purge at commons in 2012, and even that perverted penis painting promoter (say that 3 times fast) who was an admin on commons, and was finally banned by the WMF. As far as the IP? ... Yea, they've been around for a few days. We all march to the tune of our own drummer, and while some folks may be up in arms about some of it: Personally? I've got better things to do with my time than play wack-a-mole with someone who simply wants to be heard.

@Baseball Bugs: BUGS!!! How the hell ya doin buddy? Hope you're staying out of trouble. I did say hey in a thread a while back, ... but I never got back to see if ya responded. Anyway. Well ... me? I'm not going to "restore" it, and it's really not copacetic for someone else to "make their page look normal". And full protection? Naaa - that wouldn't work - what if they came back and wanted to change something? Not being an admin, they wouldn't even be able to edit their own user page. Maybe blanking rather than deleting would have been better (and if another admin makes those moves, I won't say a word) - but meh - I made my call, I'll live with it. And hey - I'll drop by the first chance I get. Take care. — Ched :  ?  00:40, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Copycat

Could you please look at the user page of (new) User:Warior Within? It is an assembly of various user pages, including my own, which seems odd. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:32, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Gerda, I'm getting ready to leave for the day, and won't be home til late tonight. (east coast USA); so I don't really have time to follow through on this at the moment. I will look when I get back online (likely tomorrow). Perhaps one of the following good folks could lend a hand: @Drmies:, @Bishonen:, @Floquenbeam:, @Dreadstar:, @LadyofShalott:, @Diannaa:, @Salvidrim!: @Mark Arsten: (that should be more than enough pings, one of those folks should be around and willing to help)

It does indeed look like he's impersonating various other user pages - but I'm not sure what the procedure and policy is for this. (and regretfully I don't have time to look). I will check back in the first chance I get. Best of luck. — Ched :  ?  12:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the useful list of pings ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

• I've blanked the userpage and written a friendly explanatory note to the user. Bishonen | talk 13:49, 25 February 2015 (UTC).

Thank you, noticed! My criminal status in my infobox is unique! Try that: be admonished by the arbitration committee without a single warning ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Not so unique — happened to Bishzilla.[1] (On magnificent scale: admonished for blocking little arbitrator. Lèse majesté!) bishzilla _ROARR!! 16:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC).

'Zilla, is it the action of blocking an arb that you're calling lèse-majesté, or the action of admonishing you? Bishonen | talk 16:32, 25 February 2015 (UTC).

Chortle. Question left as exercise for little reader! bishzilla _ROARR!! 16:33, 25 February 2015 (UTC).

(*sniff .. opens one eye ... tail slowly moves side to side*) 'Zilla? That you? Time to come out of hibernation? Brrrr ... still so cold. Me bring food, and pretty trees? And what mean "lèse-majesté" — ChedZILLA 00:50, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

NO Zilla, it's not time to come out of hibernation yet. You would know that we still have a couple more weeks of winter if you hadn't made a snack of poor Phil. And "lèse-majesté" just means that honorable 'Zilla was smart enough, and brave enough to stomp on one of the so-called "big boys" when they deserved it. Ms. Shonen wasn't looking, and 'Zilla protect the 'pedia. Silly arbs then make funny fools of themselves. Now go back to sleep, and I'll wake you in a few weeks. — Ched :  ?  00:58, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

And thank you very much Ms. Bish, very much appreciated. — Ched :  ?  01:01, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Majestätsbeleidigung! German has the more pompous words! - As far as I understand, in your case, 'zilla, the case was declined. In my case, it was a torture of weeks, with banning (not of me but a friend) as a goal of some who almost won, finally a "decision" of majestic proportions. I understand disruptive as a way to progress, was always happy when it was applied to me, which was not often ;) - the arbs don't like me asking where exactly I was disruptive - or my friend ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:27, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Es ist Majestätsbeleidigung, die majestätischen Bishzilla zu admonishieren! Durch Motion, noch nicht! [Great Bishzilla is excellent linguist. Ignorant Bishonen merely stares.] bishzilla _ROARR!! 21:05, 26 February 2015 (UTC).

Is Bishzilla a plural, majesties? Awfully sorry that I always thought singular. (If not, and female, "die majestätische Bishzilla".) - Do you know that when I was in my one and hopefully only arb case, I thought that "motion" meant to set something in motion, so suggested an infobox for Verdi, in a case called infoboxes, - took me a while that it wasn't about infoboxes. Did you know that Laurence Olivier had an infobox in 2006? I will have to understand why that is now a new featured article without one. Strange that info got lost, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

ps: German should adopt "admonischieren", - we have only "ermahnen", nothing seriuz. Has 'zilla been restricted NOT to add info to article someone else started? - I once believed anybody can edit ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:35, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Duh

[2] Actually, it's obvious (at least to those that listen as much as they yak). NE Ent 13:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

thanks buddy. How the hell ya doin? Hope life is treating you well. — Ched :  ?  14:01, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

And to be honest? .. I will eschew the WP:TLA stuff ... I just don't give a fuck anymore. Wikipedia should have its own TV show to rival Jackass. — Ched :  ?  14:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Life is good. Life is busy. What would we need Jackass when we have ANI etc .... NE Ent 02:25, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I think one could make a solid argument that Wikipedia IS Jackass. Intothatdarkness 16:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Lightbreather

Hi Ched, I saw your note to Lightbreather. I'd like to ask that you leave admin action to someone who hasn't expressed a view on her position and is completely uninvolved. I'm sorry to ask this, but it's better that way. All the best, Sarah (SV) ^(talk) 01:54, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Please tell the same to GorillaWarfare, Slim. She keeps getting involved in ArbCom decisions where she has a previously expressed political view. You tried this tactic with me and failed: it's odd to see you again doing this iron fist/velvet glove routine in circumstances where it affects your own politics. - Sitush (talk) 17:55, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

I've been on the edges of all the Lightbreather drama with the Eric Corbett GGTF stuff, and I have to comment that Ched gave Lightbreather some wise advice; she's creating a hostile environment where none exists, and I say this as both a woman and a feminist. Ched is a voice of calm, quiet reasoned wisdom on WP and if he's issuing a caution, it is well worth listening to. JMO. Montanabw^(talk) 23:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Sarah Sorry I haven't been up to getting online, but the whole thing seems moot now anyway. [3] [4]. Perhaps when I'm feeling a bit more up to it we can discuss a few of the things you've brought up in a rhetorical sense; or not - up to you. Thank you all for the comments. Best. — Ched :  ?  23:43, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ched, yes, that's sound good. Give me a ping if and when. Sarah (SV) ^(talk) 02:02, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

• Hello again Sarah. OK - directly to your original post: Had there not been the changes and a degree of closure, then almost certainly I would have bowed to your request as I consider you one of our most respected wikipedians here. I would however feel the need to comment on a few things:
• I think my admin. log would verify that I don't enjoy blocking people, and much prefer to "warn" when I see that as an option. (actually I prefer the unblock end of it.)
• It was actually my hope that adding a warning would help avoid a block or perhaps even a ban. It's easy to see that there are a number of people calling for "indef" and/or "bans" in this area. It would be nice if we could avoid that.
• I think we need to be careful with these types of requests. There's plenty of ambiguity and gray areas of WP:INVOLVED as it is; and suggesting that an administrator who comments in a thread on an administrator notice board is then prohibited from taking administrative action seems rather a lot to ask. Although I must also say that I am grateful for the kind and professional tone with which you approached me.
• One thing that does concern me greatly is this. When I see someone rattle off "list" like that, it all to easily resembles a list of intended targets. Especially given the fact that she has already actively sought sanctions and/or restrictions of multiple editors who have disagreed with her in a short period of time.

TL;DR

(the following isn't required reading - just some thoughts)

First let me share some personal background. I became a single father to a wonderful baby girl when my ex left after my daughter's first birthday. Excepting a few friends, family, and the occasional romantic relationships - I raised that little girl ON .. MY .. OWN. I suspect this gives me a somewhat rare, albeit not entirely unique, view of feminism and gender related issues. My daughter has gone on to become extremely successful both in her professional and personal life, and I'm also very proud of both my grandchildren (who have grown entirely too quickly). Now all this isn't to say that my "view" should be given an ounce of preference over any other view - but I do wish to offer my thoughts for at the very least, consideration.

Admittedly, I am old-school, and I will hold a door, or help a lady on with her coat. It's not meant to be dismissive, it's a gentleman's way of showing respect.

re: "gender": In just the last few months we've had 2 directly related and protracted Arb cases, repeated threads at WP:AE and WP:ARCA, and an untold number of threads at the various drama boards. It needs to come to a stop.

Personally I fully support equality and equal opportunity 100%. Whereas "feminism" is used to promote those goals, I will embrace that. When it's used as a tool to divide, then I must oppose that. When a "goal" becomes an "agenda", we need to think long and hard about what actually benefits the project.

There are editors on both sides which continue to bait, and those who rise to said bait. There's more than enough blame to go around on both/all sides. When you add the increasingly likely possibility of trolling by accounts who are not at all what they appear to be, I think it becomes cause for concern. There are more than enough people out there looking for ways to discredit this project, and I'd prefer to not give them the ammunition.

At this point we've likely reached the chicken/egg syndrome, so I think it behooves the project to simply stop further disruption by restricting further efforts to prolong a distasteful situation.

Sarah, you're perfectly welcome to comment on anything and everything here. You're also more than welcome to ignore any of it. I know I can get a bit verbose, so I won't be offended in any way no matter your choice.

Now, having run my mouth (fingers) for more than enough - I'll try to get back to my other stuff for a bit. I think Bonny Hicks was the last thing I was working on. Anyone is welcome to join me. (note: that doesn't mean I'll be ignoring the rest of the 'pedia) — Ched :  ?  16:29, 4 March 2015 (UTC)