Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Drag Race

Assessment categories

A bunch of articles have been tagged as part of this WikiProject, but (as evidenced by a few red links at the bottom of this article), I think all the assessment categories must be created manually. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:39, 15 February 2019 (UTC)

Does anyone know how this page can be created? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:33, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Hi. New to the project. I believe I got it working. Nikki♥311 13:21, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Nikki311, Thank you, and welcome! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:08, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

@Nikki311: Thanks again for all your assessment work on behalf of this project. I am curious, are you assessing season articles as high- or mid-class, and are all contestant articles low-importance? Any insight here would be helpful, and also give project members a chance to discuss the importance scale. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:29, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I thought I'd just give us a place to start, so I'm not opposed to reassessing anything. My thought process:

• RuPaul's Drag Race should be top-importance in Project RuPaul's Drag Race
• High-importance articles are articles that apply to most episodes (RuPaul, Michelle Visage, list of contestants, etc)
• Mid-importance articles are contestants that have more popularity or success outside of the show, etc.
• Low-importance articles are contestants really only known for their time on the show, seasons, etc.

Like I said, I'm not married to anything. For example, maybe seasons should be mid-importance since they cover quite a bit of info? Should winners automatically be a mid? Also, I think some of the articles might not accurately reflect a contestant's popularity or success outside of the show, so some might be currently under-assessed (but can obviously be changed later). What does everyone think? Nikki♥311 01:08, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

Nikki311, Thanks for sharing and for giving us a great place to start. I agree with making RuPaul's Drag Race top-importance. I am also fine with having the seasons, lists, and judges as high-importance, except I propose we have RuPaul's article top-importance as well. The whole RPDR industry is based around him. I think popularity can be a subjective thing, so I actually propose we have all contestants marked as mid-importance. This way we don't have to worry about how contestants differentiate from one another, popularity or otherwise. Then, maybe we can reserve low-importance for things like articles about contestants' albums and songs, and other tangentially related entries. What do you think? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:37, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

I'm open to promoting season winners to high-importance, if others prefer, but this is just one thing we'll have to remember. With WikiProject assessments, I think consistency is most helpful longterm. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:46, 23 March 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer: I agree RuPaul should be top-importance, that all contestants should be at least mid, and the tangentially related articles should be low. However, I don't think all contestants should be mid. Someone like Willam, Courtney Act, or Shangela is more notable than someone known mostly for their time on RPDR, and they are even more notable than some of the winners. I think we should mostly be consistent, but recognize that there are some exceptions and rate them accordingly. Nikki♥311 02:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Nikki311, I don't feel strongly either way, I'm just trying to be somewhat consistent. For now, I support you assessing as you see fit, taking this conversation into consideration. We can always make adjustments later. Thanks again for your help. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 04:18, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer: Sounds good, and I'll incorporate the changes we agreed on. Like you said, we can re-evaluate later if needed or if someone else chimes in with a strong opinion. Nikki♥311 00:29, 27 March 2019 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race#RfC on names of transgender contestants

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race#RfC on names of transgender contestants. Nihlus 21:22, 17 February 2019 (UTC)

Sasha Velour female at Wikidata?

Sasha Velour

I just started a new discussion at Talk:Sasha Velour re: Sasha Velour being marked as female at Wikidata. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 22:02, 7 March 2019 (UTC)

By the way, if you're curious to follow, this sparked further discussion at WikiProject LGBT studies and even Wikidata:

• Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_LGBT_studies#Gender_at_Wikidata_for_drag_queens
• https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Let's_talk_about_gender

Very interesting (and funny how a simple question can make things complicated). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:24, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

Musical episodes

"Trump: The Rusical"

Maybe I'm crazy but I feel like there might be enough content and coverage to justify creating an article specifically about "Trump: The Rusical". I invite project members to help create an article about this episode and musical, which is an opportunity for us to determine what an individual episode about RPDR might look like. Thanks! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 03:36, 22 March 2019 (UTC)

"Reality Stars: The Musical"

While we're on the topic of having articles about individual episodes, I've also created Reality Stars: The Musical. I invite project members to help improve, and I've shared plenty of sources on the article's talk page for future expansion. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 20:13, 26 March 2019 (UTC)

"The Unauthorized Rusical"

I've just started "The Unauthorized Rusical" as well. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:05, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Navigational box

I was playing around with making a navigational box for the project's subpages here. I don't particularly care about the design (font, color, size, etc), and I admit that I'm not an expert on how to do any of that anyway. Thoughts? Suggestions? Nikki♥311 00:15, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Drag Me Down the Aisle

Not sure if Drag Me Down the Aisle should be part of this project or not, but I've created a stub for now. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 19:08, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

Project scope

Should we include articles about contestants' projects as part of this WikiProject? Depends if we want this project to stick mostly to the television series, or if we're wanting to cover the RPDR industry as a whole. I don't want to see this project becoming too tangential, but I'm inclined to include contestants' projects because they are part of the RPDR legacy. To be clear, we're talking about the scope of this WikiProject; by taking on queens' projects, we're talking discography pages, album and song articles, and other forms of media (Drag Me Down the Aisle, The Trixie & Katya Show, books, etc). Thoughts? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:27, 29 March 2019 (UTC)

"Social Media Kings Into Queens"

There are now several articles about specific RPDR episodes (see musicals section above), but "Social Media Kings Into Queens" is my first attempt at an article about a regular episode, but one featuring several notable guests. I invite project members to take a look and help improve -- it'd be nice to have a good example/template to use for other episode articles. (BTW, if you have a favorite episode you'd like to write about, be bold! There's always a chance editors will decide we should not have articles about specific RPDR episodes, but worth a shot!) ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:48, 31 March 2019 (UTC)

@Another Believer:I made a page on Queens Behind Bars, I don't know how good it is but it is one of my favourite episodes and thought there were enough sources. If you could check it over I would be really grateful, thanks! ECW03 (talk) 11:47, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

ECW03, Wonderful! Great work, and thank you. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:23, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Raven

Do we know Raven's pronoun preferences? Wondering over at Talk:Raven (drag queen). ---Another Believer _(Talk) 01:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)

Editorializing edits

There's been a problem in recent weeks with anonymous IPs and/or newly-registered users making edits to RPDR seasons, to editorialize about how certain queens were either ranked unfairly or robbed. For example, a queen's results in the stats table might be changed to the "shoulda been" ranking instead of the actual ranking, or might be colour-coded to a whole new key for "the contestant was robbed and got sent home even though she deserved to stay". Although the problem is obviously at its worst on RuPaul's Drag Race (season 11), given that that's the current season, I've also caught a couple of examples of it happening on past seasons as well but not getting detected promptly. Now, obviously I watch the show, but I'm not an expert Drag Race statistician with a good memory for who was high or low in one specific week three or four seasons ago — so for the most part I don't know how to properly verify whether an edit to the results table in a Drag Race article is correct or not, for any episode older than the past few weeks.

Are there one or more editors with more expertise, and/or knowledge of where more authoritative sources can be found, who are willing to review the RPDR seasons to ensure that all of the tables are actually accurate? Thanks. Bearcat (talk) 18:43, 14 April 2019 (UTC)

Update: the problem got so bad today that I had to temporarily escalate the existing protection on the page from semi to full. I obviously don't want to leave it that way for the entire month, and would prefer to drop it back down as soon as possible, so I requested some input at Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race (season 11) as to how we could move forward in a way that respected the need to drop the protection back down to a lower level while still acknowledging that semi isn't controlling the problem — but several hours after I posted my comment, there's been no response at all. Could somebody please offer some input one way or the other? Bearcat (talk) 03:26, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Still waiting for even one person to actually weigh in at all... Bearcat (talk) 22:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I believe Oath2order did this in the talk pages for the older seasons, and those are less likely to have been vandalized. Umimmak (talk) 03:31, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Did what? Oath2order (talk) 18:01, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

You went through seasons one through nine and recorded who was high/low etc in the talk page for each season, e.g., Talk:RuPaul's Drag Race (season 9)#Oath's tracking, thus providing a record which wouldn’t have been affected by recent vandalism. Umimmak (talk) 20:08, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Ohhhh yes yes I did Oath2order (talk) 20:36, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

The one I'm most concerned about at the moment is AS4, because I had to revert a change to that table yesterday and there have been anonymous IPs fiddling with it again today (including at least one who falsely edited it to claim that Trinity won it all by herself and didn't have to share the crown with Monet. I did say I'm not an expert on Drag Race stats, but I can definitely still attest to knowing who won the damn thing.) It's definitely true that much older seasons are less likely to have major problems, though I can't be 100 per cent certain that they don't, but AS4 is pretty recent (and...controversial, let's call it). Bearcat (talk) 22:43, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

List of reality television programs with LGBT cast members

The article List of reality television programs with LGBT cast members has rows for RuPaul's Drag Race, Drag U, and probably should for other shows relevant to this WikiProject (e.g., All Stars, Drag Race Thailand, The Switch, I guess people here might also care about Dancing Queen). A lot of them have been tagged with a [citation needed], though so if you know of a source which like explicitly talks about the contestants (or "professors" for Drag U) being LGBT that would be great, or if you know offhand if there are reliable sources for who is non-binary/trans, that would be great as well.

Also I just figured people here might want to keep eyes on this article in general.

Umimmak (talk) 22:26, 17 April 2019 (UTC)

Collaboration of the Month, May 2019: Ongina

	WikiProject RuPaul's Drag Race's Collaboration of the Month for May 2019: Ongina

Happy editing! ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:23, 30 April 2019 (UTC)

Season 5 of All Stars?

I did some research and I think that possible that there's an All-Stars Season 5 coming in the fall. Anyone disagree?-- Happypillsjr ✉ 11:09, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Happypillsjr, Sources? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:25, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/rupauls-drag-race-all-stars-season-5-premiere-date-possible-cast-and-more/ -- Happypillsjr ✉ 14:34, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Happypillsjr, Speculation. We need sources confirming filming/premiere date. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 14:36, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Snatch Game

Resolved

@The Blade of the Northern Lights: Can you explain why you deleted the Snatch Game article? Can you please restore so we can have an actual deletion discussion, or at least restore and move into the draft space? ---Another Believer _(Talk) 15:32, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

See related discussion at Draft talk:Snatch Game. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:05, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Update: The article has been restored to the main space. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 17:28, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

April Carrión at AfD

The April Carrión article has been nominated for deletion:

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/April Carrión (2nd nomination)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 16:03, 1 May 2019 (UTC)

Articles for deletion

• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Miz Cracker
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nina West
• Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vivacious (drag queen)

---Another Believer _(Talk) 13:34, 2 May 2019 (UTC)