User talk:Nedim Ardoğa/Archive 6

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Courcelles (talk) 00:42, 16 June 2010 (UTC) Barnstar Ottoman Empire Barnstar Awarded for valuable contributions to WikiProject Ottoman Empire, although the project sadly seems to be dead. Nevertheless, your numerous contributions on the field of Ottoman history are valuable and worthy of recognition. Keep it up! Constantine ✍ 02:03, 27 June 2010 (UTC) Award The Tireless Contributor Barnstar Merhaba! I, Darwinek, hereby award you this barnstar for your tireless contribution to Türkiye-related articles on Wikipedia. Keep up the good work. Kendine iyi bak. Darwinek (talk) 13:27, 21 December 2010 (UTC) List of scientists whose names are used as SI units and non-SI units As you are the primary contributor for these articles, I thought I should let you know: I have reverted both articles into redirects to the single page List of scientists whose names are used as SI units and non SI units. However, do not worry about copy-and-paste vandalism; I have requested that the histories of the original articles be merged into the new one, so that you will still be credited in the page's history. If history merging proves too complicated to do, {{Copied}} can be used. At least while this is being sorted out, please leave the two pages as redirects. Thank you. 155.33.172.164 (talk) 22:51, 17 January 2011 (UTC) Everybody can edit in Wikipedia. You can add relevant data, improve the language (after all I am not a native speaker of English), find new categories or link to other articles. These are all perfectly alright and I'd be grateful for these. But emptying two articles after copying the contents to a third article is definitely another thing and it is next to vandalism. You are perfectly free the copy the contents if you wish so. But please don't empty the articles. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:02, 18 January 2011 (UTC) I cannot history-merge BOTH List of scientists whose names are used as SI units AND List of scientists whose names are used as non SI units into List of scientists whose names are used as SI units and non SI units, for reason explained at WP:Parallel histories. And, someone has re-reverted the 2 pages to their texts. Please decide here whether to text-merge these 2 pages or to keep them separate. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 11:52, 19 January 2011 (UTC) No I don't want to text-merge the two articles. I prefer to keep them apart. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:31, 19 January 2011 (UTC) Why keep them separate? It seems to me that the subjects are similar enough to not warrant separate pages. Also, what about units named after non-scientists? Where should they go? They don't fit in either article, and it is not worth making a third page for. 155.33.172.164 (talk) 18:44, 19 January 2011 (UTC) Very well, you can create a page about the other scientists. But please don't empty the two articles. I am looking forward to read the article about the other scientists. Happy editting. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 20:11, 19 January 2011 (UTC) The article about the other scientists already exists. Also, my goal is not to copy information, but to consolidate it in one article. I have written why I believe the two articles should be merged and changed to redirects; what is your rationale for keeping them separate? 155.33.172.164 (talk) 00:34, 20 January 2011 (UTC) Talk:Alat (tribe) Please see my reply on the Talk:Alat page. I want to add that the Chinese Boma were mystifying generations of scholars, giving rise to most wild speculations, while the subject was wide open and exposed to the naked eye. The fate of that tribe could easily create a 2-pound monograph, but I know of no compilation specifically about them. Barefact (talk) 00:24, 23 January 2011 (UTC) Quote Hello. Could you please translate Atatürk's quote in this photo? Thank you. - Darwinek (talk) 22:12, 31 January 2011 (UTC) Such epic addresses are hard to translate. But the following statement seems to convey the meaning:"Our army is the unshakable expression of Turkish unity, patriotism, might and ingenuity". (The actual wording for unshakable is steeled) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:53, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Thank you very much. Atatürk's words are always truly powerful and inspirational. - Darwinek (talk) 09:55, 1 February 2011 (UTC) Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:Ottoman Land Code of 1858. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Template_talk:Major_Ottoman_sieges. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. HotCat Edit On 20 January 2011 you changed the Date of Birth category on Süleyman Çelebi to 1410. According to the article he was born in 1377 and died in 1410. Was your error due to a problem with HotCat? How many other changes have you made such as that? JimCubb (talk) 21:14, 4 February 2011 (UTC) Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:14, 5 February 2011 (UTC) peterwardein 1716 hello nedim, do you have some sources from ottoman/turkish literature about battle at peterwaradien on 5th august 1716? nenad fortress.info"gmail.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.2.185.142 (talk) 21:49, 8 February 2011 (UTC) I have some Turkish language sources. In fact, I have started the article Battle of Petrovaradin in tr-Wiki.(tr: Petrovaradin Meydan Muharebesi) and Silahdar Damat Ali Pasha (who lost his life in the battle) in en-Wiki. But the sources are not specific, that is to say, the battle has been given within the scope of general history. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:26, 9 February 2011 (UTC) Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:Ili river treaty. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:Ili river treaty. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:Ili river treaty. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Circassian Ottomans Category:Circassian Ottomans, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 15:12, 20 February 2011 (UTC) user:Kansas Bear we know he supported PKK and ASALA with his contributions. his edits like converting Turkish city and folkloric names to the Armenian just his style. is there any undergoing work to stop his anti-Turkish propaganda? --Cupcaker (talk) 16:35, 22 February 2011 (UTC) look here. he has banned. Are those the owners of Wikipedia? --Cupcaker (talk) 21:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC) D 400 D 400 karayolu'nun maddesi, açtığın Datça-Mersin yolu maddesi'nin içeriğini de kapsıyor. Az önce iki maddeyi de birleştirdim. Ayrıca, Antalyalı olarak ileride birkaç fotoğrafımı maddeye ekleyebilirim. OnurT 03:51, 25 February 2011 (UTC) İnkar etme, TARAFLISIN! OnurT 22:18, 23 March 2011 (UTC) Talk:Hunnic_language Dear Nedim, would you be interested to chip in on Hunnic phrase discussion at Talk:Hunnic_language, I believe that the citation of a number of imminent scholars on teconstruction of the Jie Huns phrase belongs to the Hunnic_language article, and the deletion is not warranted. As far as I know, the Hunnic phrase was successfully reconstructed only with the Turkic language, by a number of independent scholars, and its presence in the article undermines all other hypotheses. Maybe you can advise me how to better defend it. Barefact (talk) 06:53, 27 February 2011 (UTC) Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Architecture in Turkey Category:Architecture in Turkey, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 13:03, 1 March 2011 (UTC) Turkic what? Is it Turkic migration or expansion? Many books use Turkic expansion. [1], here is the link for discussion: [2]. Kavas (talk) 18:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC) Infobox settlement Hi! I responded on my talk page. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 14:31, 3 March 2011 (UTC) Aynı dosyadan 3 tane yüklemişiniz bu yüzden diğer ikisi silinecek. Esas dosyaya birşey olmadı o silinmeyecek. Birde Türkçe yazarsanız daha rahat anlaşırız İngilizce'yi biraz unuttum.--Reality006 (talk) 08:56, 7 March 2011 (UTC) OK, Happy editting Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC) Campaigns of Suleiman I Hi Nedim Ardoğa! As you may noted, I have expanded and renamed the article List of campaigns of Suleiman I, which you have created. I hope that you agree with most of my edits. I would like to have the article fully referenced with reliable sources, and your help would be appreciated. Especially since I don't understand Turkish language, and lots of good sources are in Turkish. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 12:20, 8 March 2011 (UTC) I fixed some of your edits since I added a request at Peer review. So, geting some advice from more experienced editors will help us to determine what is missing in the article, and what is redundant (maybe Treaty of Karlowitz, as you think). I would like to see the article as FL, so any help is appreciated. Please, when adding new content, cite it with inline citation. If by any chance you have a citation for Campaign 8 (Moldavia or Kara Bogdan), than would be great. I can't find anything so far. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 09:40, 15 March 2011 (UTC) Veli Mahmud Pasha Hello! I've fixed my error at Veli Mahmud Pasha, and added some extra info. However, I also think the article ought to be moved to Mahmud Pasha Angelović per WP:COMMONNAME. Constantine ✍ 17:18, 8 March 2011 (UTC) women's library and information centre foundation Hallo Nedim Ardoğa, I need help for article "the women's library and information centre foundation". I will try to add new references and sources for verification. I want to improve this article. Can you help me? Birsentalay (talk) 08:31, 9 March 2011 (UTC) women's library and information centre foundation Hello, Thank you for your suggestions. I will try to do . How can I upload the logo and the photo of the library? I sent a mail to permissions-commons@wikimedia.org for the visual materials. Is it sufficient or not? Again I need help. 178.233.6.209 (talk) 11:18, 10 March 2011 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Birsentalay" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.233.6.209 (talk) 11:20, 10 March 2011 (UTC) Hallo Nedim Ardoğa, I need help for article "the women's library and information centre foundation". I will try to add new references and sources for verification. I want to improve this article. Can you help me? Birsentalay (talk) 08:54, 9 March 2011 (UTC) Hello, That's great!! I have some references about the library. I want to add these on the page. Is it OK? www.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-0424.00191/abstract muse.jhu.edu/journals/jmw/summary/v005/5.3.james.html www.highbeam.com/doc/162-344602874.html Thank you very very much for your help...Birsentalay (talk) 15:28, 9 March 2011 (UTC) NewArtBot Sorry nothing to do with me I'm afraid. Alex (talk) 13:04, 15 March 2011 (UTC) Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:Göktürks. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Malta'ya gönderilen şehla Ahmet Paşa İyi günler, Türkçe Wiki'ye girme hakkım yok. O sebeple size buradan yazıyorum. Lütfen katkıda bulunhduğunuz Nişancı Şehla Hacı Ahmed Paşa maddesinin son haline bakınız. 1753 de ölen vezir 1919 da Malta'ya sürgüne gönderilmiş ! Selamlar Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:16, 21 March 2011 (UTC) Merhaba, hatalı değişikliği geri aldım. Hoşcakalın...Vikiçizer (talk) 10:40, 21 March 2011 (UTC) Attribution Several times I saw that the article created by me has been copied to another article. (For example whole text of Akkuyu Nuclear Power Plant proposal has been copied from Büyükeceli , there are other examples as well.) I know that this is permitted in Wikipedia. But all the same the author(s) of the original article must be given credit per Copyright policy Although I warned the author no attribution has been made up to now. What should I do now ? Thanks. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 11:35, 23 March 2011 (UTC) Refer the author to Wikipedia:Copying within Wikipedia for future notice. For articles where the copying already occurred, you can either note your contribution at the top of the discussion page or make a small edit to the article and put it in your edit summary. Dcoetzee 11:46, 23 March 2011 (UTC) Categories for discussion nomination of Category:Ottoman diplomacy Category:Ottoman diplomacy, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 15:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC) thanks Thank you so much for adding my river in the template of turkish rivers (didn't know it was so important).--Sweetcorn (talk) 14:31, 28 March 2011 (UTC) Cumans/Volga Tatars Do you know anything about the Cumans or Volga Tatars? I am looking for other editors for a wider perspective on these two articles. --Kansas Bear (talk) 17:25, 28 March 2011 (UTC) Tr.wiki mesajı Merhaba Nedim, En son Reality006 sana bir "oluşturduğunuz falan sayfa uyarısı göndermiş", Twinkle da bunu kullanıcı mesaj sayfadan kullanıcı sayfana giden yönlendirme ile karıştırmış nasıl yapmışsa. Ardından Reality'nin kendi kullanıcı sayfasını sildirmeye yönelik talebiyle sayfası silinince Twinkle yönlendirmeleri temizliyorum derken seninkini de silmiş. Bu silme işlemi ile ilgili bir mesaj geldi sanıyorum sana, şimdi gerekli düzeltmeleri yaptım. Sevgiler Vito Genovese 17:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC) Ottoman Family Selam Nedim Bey I do not understand why the descendants of the Ottoman dynasty will be deleted, but the deposed European descendants are not deleted. I've posted resources that are not recognized. In Facebook, some princes and princesses, as well as relatives of the Ottoman dynasty to find. Dilek2 (talk) 14:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC) Canvassing on Tenedos I can't help noticing that you've been canvassing on the aforementioned subject trying to influence the discussion. Please desist or you will be reported to the administrators' noticeboard. Thank you.--Anothroskon (talk) 07:40, 13 April 2011 (UTC) I will look up to this,i hope we can do something about that also for Anti Turkist-Turkophobic mentality--Kamuran Ötükenli (talk) 07:25, 20 April 2011 (UTC) Datça Mersin highway Please participate in the discussion on Talk:State road D400 (Turkey) about this. Since both articles are clearly about the same exact road, we only need one article to cover this topic. In addition, I didn't just redirect it, I merged it over. All of the information is covered in the single article. You appear to be in a slow-moving edit war with with User:Ont, so you should not just revert the merger, but rather you should discuss why you feel that we need two articles. Until then, one article is sufficient. Imzadi 1979 → 08:20, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Nomination for deletion of Template:Cities of Turkey Template:Cities of Turkey has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 19:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Tortum I have reverted the article about Tortum to a readable stub. Thanks ;)--Alperen (talk) 17:03, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Categories Dear Nedim, I have noticed that WP does not have categories Turkic history, Turkic archeology, related to Turkic history subjects. Would you please initiate these categories, there is plenty of material in WP to categorize. Thank you, Barefact (talk) 09:44, 7 May 2011 (UTC) List of Ottoman battles in which Sultans participated Nedim, Thank you for you feedback on my edit of List of the Ottoman battles in which the sultan participated. Hi, you have reassessed List of the Ottoman battles in which the sultan participated in Project Military History as class=start. Wouldn't class=list be more appropriate. Happy editting. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 3:07 am, Today (UTC−6) While I agree that a List-class would normally be the appropriate categorization of the the article in question, however as the Military History WikiProject uses a less orthodox assessment scale. Specifically, the project makes no distinction between lists and articles, rating them along the same scale. Assessments performed in this manner by the MILHIST project because the project sets a goals for itself concerning a overall quality of List-class pages as articles. More information regarding the MILHIST assessment system can be found here. I hope that clarifies the issue. As an aside, I have to say responding to your feedback was a nice change of pace from copy-editing. Best Regards, LeonidasSpartan (talk) 09:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC) Bapheus Hello Nedim. The Byzantine general at Bapheus is variously given as simply Mouzalon or George Mouzalon. The first name may well be correct, although IIRC it is not certain. He is certainly however not the same as the better-known regent George Mouzalon, which the list linked to. IIRC, I did not uncover much info on the later Mouzalon when I was researching for the Bapheus article, but I'll have another look. Cheers, Constantine ✍ 16:55, 8 May 2011 (UTC) Overlap Hello, I noticed you are trying to populate a category by the name of "Turkic history". Isn't there an overlap with the already existing "Category:History of the Turkic people"? Should they be merged? Dimadick (talk) 09:52, 12 May 2011 (UTC) Thanks for the warning. Most people prefer to redirect without even trying to discuss. I started the category on the suggestion of another contributor. (See the section Categories above.) Anyway, when I started the category I had no idea of the existence of the other one. But after seeing the other category I compared them. Turkic history has a wider scope than the History of the people. Two categories at the same article may be redundant. But there are cases (like politics) when Turkic history may be more relevant. So I don't think merge is a good idea. But the category Turkic History may be deleted wherever the other one also exists.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 10:19, 12 May 2011 (UTC) White Clipper I think there is some confusion here. The white clipper is used in professional and broadcast video equipment. It is primarily a video circuit used within a camera or other video source. I know of no situation where sound buzz or interference is caused by peak white levels. If you were arguing the case for sound buzz due to carrier frequencies particularly NTSC colour subcarrier then I would agree with you. It is vital to distuinguish between video signals and TV signals. What are you discussing - baseband video or transmitter protection? On a low cost CRT TV receiver you will often get sound buzzing and whistling due to poor PSU regulation or loosely wound deflection coils. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Robjlocke (talk • contribs) 23:05, 12 May 2011 (UTC) White limitter is used both in studio equipment and in TV transmitters. In analog transmitters, aural signal is superimposed on visual signal and whenever the visual signal exceeds a certain level the aural signal is interrupted, the result being an irritating sound in receivers. You can see that in the white scenes transmitted by the poorly adjusted transmitters. In Wikipedia all editors can edit. But it is advisable to discuss before deleting a sentence. I added the sentence which you have previously deleted. But I was careful not to delete any material editted by you, except the following: I repaired the link to composite video signal. (which was linked to an empty page), and I changed the format of the reference (which had a title warning.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC) Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:List of campaigns of Suleyman I. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Help request A very interesting problem. I want to use File:CevdetSunay.jpg on Wiki commons (a portrait) But it seems there is another File:CevdetSunay.jpg on English Wikipedia (a photo of the same person, but not a portrait) How can I import the image on Wiki commons to English Wikipedia ? Thanks Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:58, 19 May 2011 (UTC) I'm going to refer you over to Magog the Ogre. He's pretty good at sorting out image problems. – AJLtalk 08:50, 19 May 2011 (UTC) Y Done image moved, file on commons visible. Magog the Ogre (talk) 14:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC) Barnstar Ottoman Empire Barnstar Awarded for valuable contributions to WikiProject Ottoman Empire, I have noticed your edits and appreciated them greatly. Thank you for your contributions to WikiProject Ottoman Empire. Keep up the good work. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 11:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC) Improper use of CSD Hello. Your recent attempts to blank and/or list the redirect Şemsi Pasha as a WP:CSD did not follow CSD guidelines. If you have an issue with this redirect, please post to Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion (RFD) with your rationale. (If you want an article moved over the redirect, please make a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves.) I will note that it is certainly NOT a cross-namespace redirect as you claimed, and the destination article Chamsi-Pasha clearly indicates "Şemsi Pasha" as an alternate spelling. Moreover, the incoming links to the article support this. Please review the CSD and RFD procedures before editing Şemsi Pasha again. Thanks. -- Hadal (talk) 07:40, 1 June 2011 (UTC) I see that my db-r2 tagging was not a good choice. But I couldn't find a better alternative.The article Chamsi-Pasha is about a person. But as it is a proper noun, the title should be moved to Şemsi Pasha, the correct spelling of the name (Pasha is a title). But since it is already a redirect article, I can't move it. Well maybe not so important anyway. Have a nice day. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:50, 1 June 2011 (UTC) I had a feeling that's what you were trying to do. Upon closer inspection, I noted the edit histories of the two entries were in fact fragmented by a copy/paste move done ages ago. So I went ahead and moved the article for you, and merged the edit histories at the same time. If you do run into this situation again (where you'd like to move an article but a previous article or redirect at the destination is preventing you from doing so) don't hesitate to list it at Wikipedia:Requested moves. I know that page has quite the backlog lately, but I've been trying to hack my way through it as time permits. Cheers. --Hadal (talk) 09:18, 1 June 2011 (UTC) Assessments for WP:HWY We only used List-Class for lists of roads, things like List of Interstate Highways in Michigan. If the article is about a single road, even though it has the junction list table in the article, it's not a "list". It would get classified as either Stub-, Start-, C-, B-, GA-, A- or FA-Class. Basically, the idea is simple: if you would nominate a complete version of the article for Featured List, it's List-Class; otherwise if you'd nominate it for Featured Article, it uses the other scale. Imzadi 1979 → 10:34, 2 June 2011 (UTC) Çukurova motorway Anyway, deletion propose was not a good idea. But I strongly support the article, if it should be revamped as a disambig page. And, we should write something about Mersin-Esendere highway. :D OnurT 20:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC) Hürrem or Hürrem Sultan Click any one of these, you will get the article titled as "Roxelana", you can never get an article titled as Hürrem or Hürrem Sultan In addition, most of the titles are incorrectly written as well as their spellings. The Correct title is Hürrem Haseki Sultan. 193.255.108.20 (talk) 20:53, 4 June 2011 (UTC) Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:List of campaigns of Suleiman the Magnificent. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. Titles for the wives of the Ottoman Sultans The mother of the reigning Sovereign: Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) Validi Sultana 'Aliyat us-Shan Hazratlari, with the style of Her Majesty. The first four official wives of the Sovereign, according to Islamic law: Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) Bash Kadin Effendi Hazratlari, Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) 2nd Kadin Effendi Hazratlari, Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) 3rd Kadin Effendi Hazratlari, and Daulatlu Ismatlu (given name) 4th Kadin Effendi Hazratlari, with the style of Her Majesty. They were additionally styled Haseki Sultana if they had born a son to the Sultan, Haseki Kadin Effendi if they had only borne daughters. The next four favourite wives of the Sovereign: Daulatlu Bash Iqbal (given name) Khanum Effendi Hazratlari, Daulatlu 2nd Iqbal (given name) Khanum Effendi Hazratlari, Daulatlu 3rd Iqbal (given name) Khanum Effendi Hazratlari, and Daulatlu 4th Iqbal (given name) Khanum Effendi Hazratlari, with the style of Her Highness. Usually promoted to official wife (Kadin Effendi), on the death of one of the latter. Also borne by the mothers of sons of a Sovereign. The next four ladies of the Sovereign's harem: styled (given name) Bash Gozde, 2nd Gozde, 3rd Gozde, and 4th Gozde. The next four junior ladies of the Sovereign's harem: styled (given name) Bash Paik, 2nd Paik, 3rd Paik, and 4th Paik. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.255.108.20 (talk) 18:10, 5 June 2011 (UTC) Hello, Nedim Ardoğa. You have new messages at Talk:List of campaigns of Suleiman the Magnificent. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template. ANI notification Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.--Kebeta (talk) 14:44, 6 June 2011 (UTC) Haseki Sultan or Valide Sultan In case of Nükhet-Sedâ, the biological mother of Mustafa IV who died in 1850, she was BAŞ İKBAL and was not allowed to hold the title of Valide Sultan, instead the title of Valide Sultan was given to Ayşe Sine who was the Baş Kadınefendi for Abdülhamid I the father of Mustafa IV for a reason unknown to us. WHY? This means that all the biological mothers were being assigned the title of Haseki Sultan since the had given birth to a son, but when this son becomes a sultan was not automatically given the title of Valide Sultan as in the case of Nükhet-Sedâ. Because Nükhet-Sedâ was not in the status of Kadınefendi but an IQBAL, that's why she was not promoted to the level of Valide Sultan. When Abdülhamid I had died, he had already FOUR surviving Kadınefendis and Nükhet-Sedâ was just an IQBAL, she was unable to be promoted for the position of Valide Sultan, but the other FOUR surviving Kadınefendis had no sons, therefore Nükhet-Sedâ remained as an IQBAL as the biological mother of Mustafa IV. 193.255.108.20 (talk) 14:39, 6 June 2011 (UTC) Confusing or Incorrectly assigned titles in List of the mothers of the Ottoman Sultans My suggestion is this: Let's erase all titles as TITLES ERASED: Khātûn, Valide Khātûn, Sultâna, Second Haseki, Second Kadın Efendi, Fourth Kadın Efendi, Third Kadın Efendi in order not to be cause any furher confusion, but keep their full names. Your list have some of them named as Sultan or Hatun and some has no titles. Better to erase all titles. 193.255.108.20 (talk) 15:47, 6 June 2011 (UTC) I don't have a list of my own. These names are all from the articles. But I'll try to delete the titles. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 05:32, 7 June 2011 (UTC) List of campaigns of Suleiman the Magnificent Hi you were not around. Any problem in Turkish Wiki ? Anyway let me talk about your accusation of Ottomanphille. You were not sure if I were one. Well I am not. (Why to admire a monarch who killed his two sons and Piri Reis ) But this is an encyclopaedia and there is no point to follow feelings. I created the article and I never thought to classify the campaigns as Victory or defeat. That was Kebata's doing. But while defining defeat he used opinions. Lets look at the defeats . In 1529 Suleyman captured Buda, expelled all Austrians out of Hungary. He tasked a junior commander to enthrone Zapalya. Is this defeat ? Sure, he also tried to capture Vienna in vain. But still that was not a defeat. Because nobody chased him and he returned home with much booty. My two main sources Hammer and Iorga don't call this a defeat. Maybe unclear outcome at most. The same with the campaign of 1537. There although Corfu was not captured, many forts at the Adriatic cost were captured. While returning home nobody chased Suleyman. This is certainly not a defeat. (Please compare these campaigns with the campaign of 1683 which was certainly a defeat) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 16:30, 8 June 2011 (UTC) I didn't accuse you of Ottomanphille. You can read my message.. I said I don't Nedim is whether Ottomanphille or not. Many Ottomanphille fiends of mine are only reason to change the term "Suleiman's military defeat" to "Suleiman's military failure". As I've said before, you'd better edit (and discuss) with showing sources. Türkçe Bilgi Net is not identified reliable source. Like Wikipedia, Armenipedia, Konapedia. Thank you. Takabeg (talk) 16:44, 8 June 2011 (UTC) I propose that we invite some more experience editors from Military history WikiProject, or to open RfC, or a mediation to solve this problem (if this is a "Content dispute"). We will show our sources and community will resolve this. What do you say?--Kebeta (talk) 17:47, 8 June 2011 (UTC)