User talk:Ched

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just a note...

I wish you all the very best. — Ched :  ?  06:51, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

"and also with you", --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:28, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

(>**)> hugzies. Pesky (talk) 13:37, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

you know what, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:16, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Comments, please!

On this :D Pesky (talk) 09:55, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

C'mon, let's have you!

(>**)> Granny-hugz! I've ported some ideas from your civility sandbox over to WT:CIV, where we're having a good discussion. Come and join in! Pesky (talk) 10:21, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

luv them hugs. :-). I'll get over there as soon as I can. Just taking care of some real life stuff is all. hugz returned. — Ched :  ?  23:13, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Megahugglesnugglecuddles to you! Lots of cuddly hugz ;P We seem to have achieved some real improvements in the civility policy; not everything I'd like to get there is there yet, but an awful lot has stuck, which I'm really pleased about. I think one of the things most conspicuous by its absence earlier was things to do before jumping straight to dispute resolution; the other thing highly conspicuous by its absence was the {{dispute-resolution}} box, which has links to all sorts of ideas which should always be borne in mind. I really do feel, at the moment, that we have achieved some [cringe in preparation for PosThink phrase] "meaningful progression". Ahem. Sorry, those awful jargonistic things do stick in the mind! Pesky (talk) 12:03, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Culinary education

	ANI-related snack
	Ched, while we appreciate your contributions, we are saddened by your lack of knowledge in certain areas. Here's a crumpet; savor it and let its tasty bubbles expand your mind. BTW, you get double points if you refer to Pesky or me on one of the noticeboards as "thinking man's crumpet". Drmies (talk) 16:06, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

LOL .. now that's MY kind of "crumpet" ... :D — Ched :  ?  15:56, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I would be delighted to be the thinking man's crumpet, but sadly I don't think I have the looks required for that description! Pesky (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

Building bridges

As someone who has talent for building bridges I think you may enjoy to look at two of them on one page even if you don't understand the language (or do you?) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:47, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

I can use the "translate" feature. Sadly, no - I don't speak German, although given my family heritage - that's a bit ironic. I'll certainly have a look through it though. Did PS work on this article too? 28bytes? ... You takin all our best content editors over to "de" Gerda? LOL. — Ched :  ?  15:58, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Well, even if you don't read German, you can interpret a Versionsgeschichte (history). No, PS didn't touch it, someone else translated it a while ago (probably looking at the stats with the nice picture), the Baluarte Bridge went the same way. Then that one got blocked, I nominated, and here it is. I nominated for 28bytes now, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

18,756 hits, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:00, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

update second day: + 5,414, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:46, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

talkback

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IRC

Hi Ched,

Just seen your message. Of course, you are welcome any time. Leaky Caldron 09:43, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Hi LC,

I'll drop over soon. I'm thinking of some sort of RfC on IRC at the moment, but right now it's just a placeholder in my sandbox until I get an idea on how to proceed. I'd be interested in your views (along with a few other folks). Have a great day. ttys. — Ched :  ?  15:56, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

There will be a lot of cynicism to overcome to gain universal acceptance of IRC in its current form. If there is a clear, indisputable & valid justification for using unlogged real-time chat for en-WP, it must be clearly distinguished from the social networking sub-culture tag that it has (fairly or unfairly) acquired. My basic philosophy is that if it isn't in writing it doesn't exist, which is obviously a major pitfall since nothing appears to be logged in a way that can be readily shared on-wiki. As far as Mabdul was concerned, even if his IRC stuff was acceptable or disregarded, I'm afraid his April Foolery was the ultimate determinant. In fact, if it had occurred a day earlier, he would probably have faced a highly embarrassing snow close or withdrawal which would have done his future prospects no good at all. Leaky Caldron 20:24, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I think I remember a couple times that I haven't agreed with your views on something or other, (then again, it would probably be tough to find many folks at all that don't think I'm an idiot :-)) but in this case - yes, I agree with you 100%. I'm not even sure the RfC could accomplish anything, but I think it's worth a try. If nothing else it would give a central place for folks to air out their thoughts. I did start the placeholder page at User talk:Ched Davis/RfC on IRC, but I think others could likely provide a better insight than me (at least at the start). I haven't published the link anywhere yet really - but I would like to see some discussion on the subject. I know that I've seen a LOT of RfAs tank because of IRC - probably some are justified, and some aren't. Like you, I think a lot has to do with how IRC is used. — Ched :  ?  23:35, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes

Cross-page talk page stalking: WP:PLURALS gives a decent explanation. Essentially, "[band name] is an American band" and "[band name] are an English band" to comply with WP:ENGVAR. 28bytes (talk) 16:40, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

AHHHHH ... VERY cool. Thank you 28, that's exactly what I was looking for. I just had no idea it had been documented like that. Thanks. — Ched :  ?  16:46, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL, didnya know there's a WP: link for everything? :) 28bytes (talk) 16:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL .. yep, I should know that by now. Thank goodness for MOS eh? ... ;-) — Ched :  ?  20:23, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

Passion

He was despised --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:47, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

I would so much love to hear you and your choir perform some of that stuff over the Easter holiday. It's a great article by the way .. I really enjoyed reading it. — Ched :  ?  23:43, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Agnus Dei was great! Barnby in the Easter Vigil and Mozart Mass K 194 tomorrow (the other choir). See also, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:22, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Maybe if I hang around long enough, a little of that culture will rub off on me too. :) — Ched :  ?  12:28, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Do me a favour, hang around! Sometimes it's not easy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:44, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution survey

Dispute Resolution – Survey Invite Hello Ched. I am currently conducting a study on the dispute resolution processes on the English Wikipedia, in the hope that the results will help improve these processes in the future. Whether you have used dispute resolution a little or a lot, now we need to know about your experience. The survey takes around five minutes, and the information you provide will not be shared with third parties other than to assist in analyzing the results of the survey. No personally identifiable information will be released. Please click HERE to participate. Many thanks in advance for your comments and thoughts. You are receiving this invitation because you have had some activity in dispute resolution over the past year. For more information, please see the associated research page. Steven Zhang DR goes to Wikimania! 23:51, 5 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done — Ched :  ?  02:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Feedback

The cabal is pleased with your work today. You've earned this. Von Restorff (talk) 21:00, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

lol .. ok, that really made me smile. TY. Well done. — Ched :  ?  21:37, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Cheers Ched. Drmies (talk) 22:45, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Ahhhhhh ... you know me so well. Love it. :-) — Ched :  ?  22:59, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

I'm reading over all the MF discussions. "You're brainless" is what the PA boiled down to. Is that really blockable? So much ado about nothing. The target on the back comment (can't remember who said it) was very appropriate. What could have happened if nothing had happened? Two people might, *might*, have yelled at one another some more. What did happen? The usual drama. And MF might not be back this time. Can't blame him. BTW, it must be irritating to have all these people (including me) fawn over you, at the same time that you're getting blocked over some nonsense. I'd like for all of us to leave him alone but he's such a roadside attraction...everyone wants in...and next up is the complaints from his detractors about the group of friends that comes to defend him. And they're right, and so are we, the defenders. It's all such a waste of time. I could have made rice pudding instead of reading all that. Sorry, I'm venting. Now back to Chopped. Drmies (talk) 02:18, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

I agree 100% with everything you've said. Don't get me wrong, I think VERY highly of Courcelles, but I think he screwed up big time with this one. I know for Malleus it's not just this "one of", but the conglomeration of all the BS he's had to endure. It's not often you run across someone that is so open and honest on the Internet. Malleus is so outright pure in everything he's done, it almost defies belief. I remember one time that I went and asked him about how to phrase a sentence. And I'm hardly one that he thinks very much of. But .. he not only offered top quality advice ... but the man actually went to the article and spent 3 or 4 HOURS of his life to improve it. They should rename the site Malleuspedia. So many great folks that have been beat upon here. Good people trying to do the right things, add content, improve a project that offers knowledge for free to the public - and they get beat upon for no damn good reason. OK .. now I'm venting ... Happy Easter Drmies, I hope you have a great one. — Ched :  ?  18:07, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Message

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Jimbo'sTalk: E-Mail thread

Re: Comments by other editors about my reply to User:Bates. I really don't care how other editors "feel" about me. That is except for a few editors that I hold in esteem. You being one of a dozen or so. I won't get into a long rant defending my response to his "maybe I'm doing this wrong" banter. But just so you know, only moments after my reply to him on Jimbo's page, I visited his talk and made an attempt to soften my perhaps "perceived to be too harsh" comment. So...before anyone chastized me I reached out to the newbie to make sure his heart wasn't broken by the rejection. I have welcomed Hundreds of Newbies and have strived to do what I can to combat incivility. Nothing has changed. Bates just mis-understood where I was coming from. I came here because wanted to be clean with you. ```Buster Seven Talk 18:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Actually I did notice that. I was somewhat surprised that ANYone would think you were being unkind or harsh. Your efforts here have to be some of the kindest and most understanding posts I'm aware of. I saw that you also dropped a friendly welcome at his page - well done. I probably should have dropped by your page and applauded you for that. Cheers Buster, hope all is well in your neck of the woods. — Ched :  ?  18:09, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Spiderman film

Go ahead block me. I can't do anything anyway. My edit is erased on every time. Seems only a privileged can edit. Keep your aristocracy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.228.222.150 (talk) 21:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't think it's necessary to have the word "Spiderman" appear 4 times in the first 2 sentences, especially as the article is already about... Spiderman! ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:43, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks to which, I've got this running through my head now. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:45, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Have to say that it's not looking real good for them at the moment. I can go along with the idea that it's not outright vandalism, but perhaps a younger editor just trying his hand at editing our project. BUT .. as he's been given advice on how to proceed, then I suspect if he continues along a defiant path, then it will escalate into a block at some point. I'm more than willing to help anyone - but I'm not so sure he's going to find the rest of the project as forgiving as some have been so far. Not even sure what that particular article is such a big deal? Very curious. ... and thanks for that subliminal song implant .. LMAO. How's it going Bugs? — Ched :  ?  00:41, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

It just occurred to me that among its various little icons, wikipedia needs an illustration of an escalator to go along with repeat blocks. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Note

I've been watching some of this Malleus etc. soap opera. Is this all about some obscure British radio guy? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 22:05, 11 April 2012 (UTC)

Yep .. Jim Hawkins (radio presenter). Just a local over in the UK with a radio talk show. To be honest, ,my first inclination is to think it's more an effort to drum up some publicity and ratings game from the parts I saw. There's been nothing in the article at any point I've seen which was detrimental to him. He's asked for removal of information that he (or a publicist, agent, or webmaster) has posted on the Internet anyway. I don't understand what would be causing him such distress about having an article here. I don't know, maybe he's just in the wrong line of work for his own emotional well-being? But screaming about it on Facebook and Twitter certainly isn't going to help either. Just IMHO. Personally I couldn't care much less. I mean I do care about people and all - and can often agree we should remove the border-line BLP things upon request, but something just doesn't sit right with me on this one. — Ched :  ?  00:47, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

If he's distressed over his wikipedia article, the best advice we could give him is don't read it. Problem solved. :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:15, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

<chuckles> ... there ya go! I still think it's likely just a ploy to drum up some publicity .. but since I don't live there, perhaps I'll never know. — Ched :  ?  02:21, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

OTT

[1] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 00:55, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

LOL ... good one! — Ched :  ?  00:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Says October 1937, and is taken in Yankee Stadium before a capacity crowd of empty seats. Maybe the Jints figured they needed some extra BP. It didn't help, as the Yanks won 4 games to 1, although Ott did homer in the final game.[2] The Yankees were in the second round of winning four consecutive World Series. That record would eventually be broken - by the Yankees of 1949-1953. If you weren't a Yankees fan during those years, you might as well have taken up golf or horsehoes to fill your spare time. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:13, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

1937? .. well, I'm not quite that old. :) — Ched :  ?  02:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Nor I. "You" in the general sense. :) Note the presence of Gehrig and DiMaggio on those teams, and then DiMaggio and Mantle on the later teams. They suffered a little bit of a slump in the 1940s, winning the Series only 3 times. Poor babies. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:29, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

How were the Pirates in those days? ... and changing sports a bit .. The Penguins just lost to the Fliers in OT .. crap!!! — Ched :  ?  02:33, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

The Pirates had some good teams in the 20s, but ran into some hard luck for awhile (just like now). Their savior might have been Branch Rickey, whose last major GM job was at Pittsburgh. Although he had left the team by the time 1960 rolled around, they were set up for some pretty competitive years for awhile. I have to mention that Mel Ott was a legitimate slugger, thanks to his "windup" batting stance. 63 percent of his 511 home runs were hit in the Polo Grounds with its infamous short porch in right field. But he had double figures at most of the other ballparks - granted that many of them also had short right fields (Pittsburgh, for example).[3] ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:38, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Hmmm .. was just looking. Probably one of the first players I heard my grandmother speak of was Ralph Kiner, but that was a generation after Ott. Looks like Kiner came in as Ott was at the end of his career. Batted left, but threw right? ... isn't that a bit unusual? and he had like 6 batting titles? .. Doesn't that put him in like a Babe Ruth type category? I was never a fan of the Yankees to be honest - they won so many times. (and I've heard it said they simply had the money to afford the best players). Of course I'm sure people have felt that the Steelers won too many Superbowls too - so I'm sure a lot has to do with where one lives. Cool stuff no matter how you look at it though. — Ched :  ?  03:23, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

And, yes, the Yanks won so often in part because they had owners who were willing to spend whatever was necessary in order to win. That doesn't always work. But they've had savvy baseball minds in the general manager spot over the years who knew how to build winners. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:53, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Ott batted left and threw right, which was fairly common, especially in those days. Kiner was a righty all the way. Both Ott and Kiner had several home run titles, not much if any batting titles. As a hitter, Ott was more like Roger Maris, in the sense that he was a good line drive hitter who took advantage of a close right field. If you know the ballparks Ott played in, you can see that his home run production for each is almost perfectly proportional to the proximity of right field. That contrasts with Ruth and Mantle, who although their home run totals were aided somewhat by short dimensions, were capable of hitting a baseball 450-500 feet, and often did. Kiner was a true slugger, maybe not like Ruth or Mantle, more along the lines of Hank Greenberg, both of whom were with the Pirates for awhile. Kiner was thought to be a guy who would challenge Ruth's home run records, but he was plagued with injuries and his numbers tailed off. (No steroids in those days.) Regarding the Steelers, I've always had a soft spot for them, as the former dregs of the NFL who exploded into contention during the 1970s and have maintained that many times since. I can still see the Franco Harris play against the hated Oakland Raiders like it was yesterday.[4] :) ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:44, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Well I do have to admit that I'm not nearly as knowledgeable on baseball topics as many others here. Thank you for the insight. And yep - I remember that Harris play like it was yesterday; it was the start of some great memories for Pittsburgh Steeler fans. — Ched :  ?  13:27, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

:)

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Yasht101 11:00, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

will look ASAP. — Ched :  ?  13:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

WP:AN Archive

Hi Ched,

Just a quick one really, I posted a question Re: Special:UnwatchedPages and you archived it yesterday. I don't feel that it was answered and wanted to draw some attention to an RfC I opened today, is it possible to un archive it?

Thanks

Mrlittleirish 10:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Sure Mr little irish .. I'll do so shortly. I didn't realize you still had questions. Give me a few moments as I've got much to respond to at the moment. — Ched :  ?  13:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks :) Mrlittleirish 13:54, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done - good luck. — Ched :  ?  13:57, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

permanentbans/indef blocks

Saw your note at Scottywong's talk page. I have a number of things on my to-do list, but one is somewhat cryptically labeled "Write an essay on my opinion of (non-technical) indef blocks". I'm making up a term "technical blocks" as a placeholder for a better term to apply to username blocks. I accept that we should indef, for example, "president of Google" as a username, but I want to take the position that we should never, ever, indef a human. I do understand that we make a distinction between indef and forever, so I will address that point. The recent issue involved bands, ratehr than blocks, so I need to think through whether my views on blocks apply to bans, mutatis mutandes, or if I need to a separate section.

It isn't at the top of my list, so it won't be immediate, but I'll try to let you know when I write it. Thanks for your interest.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 12:58, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you - greatly appreciated. — Ched :  ?  13:29, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for this. I just can't understand some people ... well quite a lot of people actually. Malleus Fatuorum 19:41, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

No problem - they were getting totally out of line. I know it's tough when consensus goes against you, but it happens. He's going to have to learn to just accept it when it does. BTW - you've got mail. and .. Thank YOU - I'm glad to see you follow through on this. Yea, it's one I saved. I can get pretty cynical and disgusted, but I try to remember the sage bits of advice when I run across them. :-) — Ched :  ?  19:47, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Do you really imagine that this is hard on me? Jswap (talk) 21:05, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

• The way you are going about things is very wrong, and not the way things work here. I absolutely HATE to deal with any type of sanctions as I think everyone has a right to do their best to improve articles. Hard or not, you need to stop taking the approach you are taking. Do NOT personalize content discussions. I can not stress this enough. Deal with the content - present your views or "case" if you will, but you can not know what another person thinks or what their motivations are. The article is at a FA level - that means that many people have put a lot of work into it. It's going to be difficult to make large changes. That is just a fact of this project. Discuss = yes. Personalize = NO. If you want my personal opinion, and even if you don't, then I would say that in regards to the changes you are pushing for you should read: WP:UNDUE - that's an outside observation as I have never edited the article. Please re-think your approach here. — Ched :  ?  21:13, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

• • Alright, Ched; I can see you are a reasonable person, and I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I admit that I have taken this too far. Some of it is an attempt to flush people out and try to understand what is happening. I have made dozens of edits to to wikipedia over the years (usually not logged in) and I do try to improve it. It's a great resource; we all know that. I've had a very small percentage of my edits reverted over the years and it never bothered me. To give a little history: I read the article and towards the bottom it mentions (2 sources, btw) how 2 Indians were shot, killed, and eaten. I thought to myself, "wow, that's pretty surprising; I had always heard that no one was murdered and they just ate people who had died naturally. I should probably try to emphasize this so other people see it too without having to read down 30 paragraphs." It seems to me that there is quite a difference between eating someone who's already dead, and killing someone to eat them. Call me crazy. Anyway, first I added a subheading and also put a mention in the opening paragraph. I acknowledge that adding it to the opening paragraph was probably overkill, but doesn't this incident at least deserve its own sub-heading? I challenge you to find the mention of the killings in the current article. It is very difficult to find without reading the entire article. And how many times in modern history have people in the USA been killed so they could be eaten? I suggest to you that this is a noteworthy and highly unusual event. Anyway, I will stop now. Thanks again.