Talk:Zack Snyder's Justice League

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Movie vs. Mini-series: Rise of Edit Wars

I thought I'd try and pre-empt the innevitable edit warring due to occur as a result of Zack Snyder's recent comment that the ZSJL will release as a "one shot" movie. This may well be how Zack Snyder is filming it, and is undoubtedly his preferred style of release, but as far as we're aware HBO max's plan to release it as a four-part mini-series (and then a four-hour movie afterward) has not changed. As such, and until this changes, I believe the article should continue to refer to ZSJL as a mini-series primarily. Of course, this is one man's POV; I would like to see if there is a consensus for this position, or one for changing the article? -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 15:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

I think your logic here is sound, this is all based on an off-hand social media comment that Zack may not have intended to spread online the way that it has. Zack made similar off-hand social media comments about the complete-ness of his cut that turned out to be false or misleading ("just needs a few CGI tweaks" for example, and here we are tens of millions of dollars and one year later). It's best to assume that what we know is true and hasn't changed, and wait and see how things play out as things become more clear. Fezmar9 (talk) 18:16, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

While you have a fair point, there isn’t any proof that what Zack Snyder said is untrue. Plus, there’s also the fact that many major online news publications like Collider and IGN have been reporting the fact that it will be a movie, because that was the way it was intended to be seen. FilmLover72 (talk) 19:51, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

There actually isn't any proof either way. The direct quote from Snyder that everyone is using as evidence that the TV show has been scrapped is just two words in a Vero comment: "one-shot". Per IGN's coverage: "While many have interpreted this to mean that the four-part miniseries has been scrapped in favour of a four-hour movie, it's possible Snyder is indicating that all four hour-long episodes will drop simultaneously, giving viewers the option to watch the Snyder Cut in one continuous block rather than splitting it up and releasing the 'episodes' one-by-one as part of a schedule. We've contacted Warner Bros. for clarification." Fezmar9 (talk) 20:07, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

The onus isn't on us to prove that [the production coming out only as a single movie] isn't what Snyder meant, it's on us to prove that it is. It is next to impossible to prove a negative–I can't prove Bigfoot doesn't exist; I only prove that I don't know how to find Bigfoot–and without further context or information, an off-hand, ambiguous-in-meaning comment doesn't cut it. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 10:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

The HBO Max communications team has confirmed on their official Twitter that it's being released as a full-length original feature film here. WhoKnew99 (talk) 15:11, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

I was just about to say the same thing. So, does this mean we can change the infobox now? FilmLover72 (talk) 15:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

As we've mentioned before, HBO Max's working plan (as far as we know it) has always been to release ZSJL as a feature-length movie at some point – this is not news. To the best of my knowledge it was planned to release as a four-part miniseries first, and then a feature-length cut later; nothing in the linked-to tweet precludes this as still being the case. That said, despite my personal belief that ZSJL will release as a mini-series first, the print media is reporting, incorrectly or not, that it is releasing solely as a movie.

At this point, I would be inclined to have the article use {{Infobox Film}} until either release date, or we have solid confirmation that HBO Max's original dual-release plan has not changed (whichever comes first). Either way, we'll know for certain on March 18th. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 12:08, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Making half of the section about the petioners being "toxic" and harassers is WP:UNDUE

Right now every mention of their movement in the article is associated with harassment or vitrol, but this isn't the general sentiment from WP:RS, aside from very few articles written before the release was confirmed. One of the sources of these statements is "Pajiba", a website that appears to be a gossip blog and doesn't even have a Wiki page, so I'm pretty certain it's not a reliable source. This needs to be heavily trimmed down Loganmac (talk) 13:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

I reviewed the content and do not find it undue. Most of the sources are reliable, though I do agree that Pajiba is likely unreliable. Still, without that, there are still other sources. Furthermore, Rehak's commentary at the end of the section puts the behavior in context. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 14:52, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Robin Wright?

Is there any studio confirmation as to whether Robin Wright will reprise her role as Antiope in the Snyder Cut? She's listed in the cast on the movie's IMDb page, and some fans online have claimed to see her in the trailer. I'm wondering if there's a more official source for it, or if we just need to wait a couple weeks when we can watch the actual movie's credits to confirm. Moloch dhalgren (talk) 22:34, 5 March 2021 (UTC)

Additional Details & Sources

So, recently Zack revealed during a March 2021 issue of Total Film that the additional photography lasted from October 6 to October 8 and is an additional 8-10 minutes of the movie. He also revealed that Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, and Justice League (his version that is), are exist within their own continuity and that this was set to be primer for two more Justice League films that might not even happen. But, I don’t know how to source print media and I was wondering if someone could help me out on that front. FilmLover72 (talk) 21:17, 6 March 2021 (UTC)

Reception

There was an edit war going on before but there does need to be some information on the film's reception in the opening of the article. It looks strange as it is as there is no information about the actual reception to the film other than its comparative status to 2017. We should form a consensus on what the heading reception should be, for now at least. Per RT: "Zack Snyder's Justice League lives up to its title with a sprawling cut that expands to fit the director's vision -- and should satisfy the fans who willed it into existence. CRITICS SAY THE "SNYDER CUT" IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OVER ITS THEATRICAL PREDECESSOR, WITH SMARTER STORYTELLING, MORE COMPELLING CHARACTERS, AND A BETTER GRASP OF WHAT IT'S TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH."

Move soundtrack album to new page now that they have been released

I think we should move the soundtrack album to a new page seeing that this is one of the biggest list, (for example Star Wars Soundtrack) and they need a seperate page rather than cluttering an already cluttered page. 103.118.35.209 (talk) 10:01, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

There's a difference between the Star Wars soundtracks, which covers 9+ films, and a long list of music pieces for a single film. To my knowledge, splitting the soundtrack off into a new article based purely on a section being long isn't valid grounds. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 10:06, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Martian Manhunter description contains an error

In the "Cast" section, when it gets to Martian Manhunter, the second sentence says: "The Lennix alter-ego is revealed to have been the Martian Manhunter all along." This is incorrect, as "Lennix" is the actor who plays the character. The sentence should read "The Swanwick alter-ego is revealed to have been the Martian Manhunter all along." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.152.106.131 (talk) 12:20, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

 Done -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 12:33, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Budget

The movie's budget is deceptive since the $70 million was just to finish this cut and does NOT include the original costs to make the film from its production in 2017. It should include a note saying the original production cost $300 million to make, and the $70 million was to complete the film. I'd give an estimate this film cost $350-370 million dollars all up. Colliric (talk) 13:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

There used to be a note covering exactly this point, but it was clearly removed at some point. I've put it back in. -- JascaDucato (talk | contributions) 15:30, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2021

I would like to edit the page because they missed out a very pivotal detail in the plot 70.29.44.178 (talk) 16:36, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Please detail the exact edit you'd like made, or request a lowering of protection at WP:RFPP ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)

Runtime

The movie was released in streaming version with a 232 min runtime, so I'm guessing the IMDB listed 242min official runtime is for the planned IMAX/cinema limited release version(which will probably be the Blu-ray version too) which includes the 10mins of Intermission music?

Since Intermission music officially counts towards a film's official runtime.

Can someone confirm that though? Colliric (talk) 03:47, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Variety reports a 242-minute runtime in their review ([1]), so I guess we'll have to go with that until there's a better RS for the alleged 232-minute runtime. Nincompoopian (talk) 09:54, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh no don't worry mate I had it cleared up. Someone told me there was the 10 mins "Thank you" video which was included in the US version but it was omitted in the overseas version.

So we all got to see the same film. Lol.

Maybe should be a note on that?? Colliric (talk) 06:01, 20 March 2021 (UTC)

The 232 run time is because of the different encoding used as explained by hbo europe. ntsc vs pal. the movie is exactly the same (credits + movie), but the 232min run is running at different frame rate thus it is shorter (1 frame less per seconds over 4 hours result in significant time difference). -119.74.220.3 (talk) 07:41, 20 March 2021 (UTC)