Talk:Pakistan

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Kindly update the map of Pakistan

Pakistan has claimed the entire region of Jammu and Kashmir stretching all the way to the edge of Ladakh; former Princely States of Junagarh and Manavadar and the entire territory and water bodies that fall in the Sir Creek region in the westernmost part of India in its new political map released in 2020. Kindly update this map and add these 'claimed' regions. Peter Ormond (talk) 14:59, 19 January 2021 (UTC)

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Talking on basis of ground reality, In india the official concensus is that the land given to pakistan is on rental basis , so pakistan map should be updated to show that the land on which pakistan stands doesnt beling to pakistan. Zmalqp0043 (talk) 10:10, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Peter just to clarify The statement above was sarcasm. Also I think you should take into account the unpredictability and sanity of Imran Khan( on a very serious note) the man has made a few very questionable statements. His word even as a world leader cannot be taken seriously. Zmalqp0043 (talk) 10:14, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

As opposed to Modi who is a bastion of humanity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by INGoNitE (talk • contribs) 02:31, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

The only country that has been created for Islam??

Pakistan isn’t the only country that has been creating for Islam come on; there is an ocean full of Islamic states. Israel for Jewish yes only one but not Islam Nlivataye (talk) 07:29, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

Nlivataye, Perhaps the only one in the 20th century? Krok6kola (talk) 14:06, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

They should clarify that; but either way Saudi Arabia officially came into being in 1932. Islamic republic of Iran in 1979. It’s just not true about Pakistan being the only one. It should be removed. Nlivataye (talk) 16:55, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@Nlivataye and Krok6kola: As both of you say though statement "Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam." though has references neither can be called accurate nor Islamic enough,

1) rather it would count as soft blasphemy in Islamic definition itself, since technically first state created in the name of Islam would be Medina around 1400 years back.

2) While Pakistan calls itself Islamic, in some interpretations it can be called Islamic enough while in some of more conservative interpretations it won't count Islamic enough

3) Why such confusions do occur? 3.1) Basically it is kind of going overboard to prove legitimacy behind creation of separate state Pakistan by boasting about it.

3.2) Most people do not get nuanced differentiation between what is Muslim and what is Islamic, driven by an inaccurate definition of what is Islamic? According to [1] Muslim is purely someone who practices Islam and Islamic is anything influenced by Islam or produced by Muslims.

3.3) But some academicians have challenged that definition by alternate view According to M.M. Knight, when one does not speak for real Islam (i.e.'an abstracted ideal' that floats above, Muslim, human cultures but speaks for 'lived traditions') it is preferable to use the term Muslim instead of the term Islam or Islamic.

M.M. Knight further says,terms 'Islam/ Islamic' imposes claim of normativity, which is distinct with lived experiences hence need not be conflated. (My emphasis)

With this definition it can be apparent Pakistan in reality is a Muslim state not an Islamic enough state in practical sense. That is why most Muslim majority countries state their state religion to be Muslim but do not call themselves Islamic because actually word 'Islamic' puts very heavy demands which in modern times not remained practical enough.

4) Article Islamic state attempts to give better definition of Islamic state with that definition Muslim world#Islamic states informs of 7 countries to be Islamic state and Pakistan is just one of them. Then by which standard the semi blasphemous statement Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam. is accurate? Muslim world#Islamic states provides refs for Pakistan being constitutionally calls itself as an Islamic state but those references don't justify Pakistan's Islamicness enough.

5) We will come refs given along with factually incorrect statement Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam.

We have seen above Hussain, Rizwan's ref saying ""Pakistan is unique among Muslim countries in its relationship with Islam: it is the only country to have been established in the name of Islam" is incorrect from all sides.

The second reference Talbot, Ian says "As British rule there drew to an end, many Muslims demanded, in the name of Islam, the creation of a separate Pakistan state."

Talbot's statement does not have any sense of being 'only Islamic state' What the statement is saying is just established in the name of Islam.

Instead of Pakistan is the only country to have been created in the name of Islam. most probably better way of writing would be Pakistan is one of the country to have been created in the name of Islam. to avoid overstatement of "the only country"

Bookku (talk) 16:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I am sending discussion invitations to active contributors from top contributors to the article and last five who might have added reasonable non reverted content. mentioning this note to avoid misunderstanding. Bookku (talk) 16:08, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

I was invited to comment here. Pakistan was not created in the name of Islam, not by a long shot. It was created because in the 1946 provincial elections of British India, the Muslim League, a party that had hitherto only claimed to represent the Muslims of British India, won all the seats in the provincial legislatures reserved for Muslims. (The League was of the view that in a united independent India, the Muslims would become relatively powerless politically.) The British took the election results to mean that the League did have the mandate for a separate state, and British Raj (commonly called India) was partitioned into a (geographically reduced) India and Pakistan in August 1947. That Pakistan gave itself an Islamic Constitution later in the mid-1950s is a different matter. It has nothing to do with its creation. India's own constitution was changed in the late 1960s to describe itself as a sovereign democratic secular socialist republic (instead of simply "sovereign democratic republic" as it was in the original version of 1950). It does not mean that India was created as a socialist state. The Islam of Iqbal, in any case, is very different from that of Saudi Arabia, much more nuanced, much more sensitive and many-sided, however much the Pakistanis of today, or their Indian detractors, might claim otherwise. Fowler&fowler«Talk» 19:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Actually, I think you are misunderstanding this. Pakistan’s rallying cry during the independence struggle was “Pakistan ka Nara kya? La illaha illalah” which translates to “What is Pakistan’s motto? There is no god but Allah. Further, it was chiefly promoted by the Muslim league, and the partition of Pakistan and India was along religious lines, so I think these factors mean Pakistan WAS created in the name of Islam. Indeed, it is considered so by much of the Islamic world. Yes, other Islamic states exist, but they were not created for Islam or in the name of Islam, they were just created and made Islamic, not chiefly made for the name of Islam (yes, not even Saudi Arabia).RealKnockout (talk) 22:24, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

I've revised and in part rewritten the lead, made it NPOV, and removed the peacock claims, including the bit about the only country created as an Islamic one. It is patently untrue, inserted by the use of poor or obscure sources; I have added major sources, in some instances with quotes. I can't decide if pro-Pakistan-POV editors add these bits of pseudo-history out of misplaced pride or pro-India-POV editors do so with an aim to detract from Pakistan's rightful historical due, but either way, these claims are not encyclopedic. Not all claims are notable let alone encyclopedic. I thank the various editors for bringing this topic to a wider discussion. Best regards, Fowler&fowler«Talk» 21:47, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Pakistan is officially known as republic of pakistan. Kianaamhatumhara (talk) 14:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

No, it is known as the Islamic Republic of Pakistan officially. RealKnockout (talk) 22:20, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

Pakistan's official language

Pakistan's official language is not English. All Provence have own language. 94.174.204.64 (talk) 20:40, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:46, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 April 2021

Can someone update the religion figure in the infobox of the article based on the latest 2017 census?! The current figures are from the old 1998 census.

Religion in Pakistan (2017 Census)

  Islam (96.47%)

  Hinduism (2.14%)

  Christianity (1.27%)

  Ahmadiyya (0.09%)

  Other Religions (0.03%)

Regards.Bundestag1 (talk) 07:42, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Pinging ScottishFinnishRadish, @Lomrjyo:, Fowler&fowler, @Chipmunkdavis: for help as no one has replied. Bundestag1 (talk) 07:49, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 28 April 2021

Can someone update the religion figure in the infobox of the article based on the latest 2017 census?! The current figures are from the old 1998 census.

Religion in Pakistan (2017 Census)

  Islam (96.47%)

  Hinduism (2.14%)

  Christianity (1.27%)

  Ahmadiyya (0.09%)

  Other Religions (0.03%)

Regards. Bundestag1 (talk) 09:39, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:12, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 15 May 2021

I am a resident of Pakistan and here we have right as driving seat. so please change the driving seat from left to right. Thanks 182.187.7.114 (talk) 16:10, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 18:04, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 May 2021

To change the name of pakistan as republic of Pakistan Kianaamhatumhara (talk) 14:54, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: Run n Fly (talk) 14:59, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 16 May 2021 (2)

pakistan Kianaamhatumhara (talk) 14:55, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Run n Fly (talk) 15:01, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

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Pakistan know as a secular country

Pakistan is know gonna make secular country by Imran khan.Pakistan is a secular due to containing different religious population. Kianaamhatumhara (talk) 15:03, 16 May 2021 (UTC)

Pakistan is not a secular nation. Secularism is defined as a separation of the state and religion. Pakistan has a state religion (Islam). Having a state religion does not necessarily negate secularism but the influence of Islamic law, principles, teaching and jurisprudence is not minute. For example all laws must be in accordance with Islam and comply with the Quran and Sunnah. Imran Khan may implement change but including it in the article is just giving him free PR for potentially bogus political promises.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 23 May 2021

The per capita income in 2021 is 1543$ and the GDP is 296 Billion $. Stefan2702 (talk) 09:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

https://twitter.com/Asad_Umar/status/1395741372691492865?s=19 here is the source. Stefan2702 (talk) 09:51, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A tweet is not a sufficient source for this. Surely he's citing a report, we should cite that directly as opposed to his tweet about it. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:36, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

June 2021 Articles to be updated

• Hamid Mir
• Faiz Hameed
• Draft:Aroosa Alam
• Akleem Akhtar (General Rani)

Bookku (talk) 17:54, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Please update the religious demography of Pakistan

As per 2017 census, Muslims constituted 96.28% of the total population in 1998, but 19 years later the share of Muslims in total population increased to 96.47%.

Since overall population increased by 75.4 million persons, followers of all religions have grown in absolute terms.

The incidence of Hindu population increased from 1.6% to 1.73% or 3.593 million individuals. The population share of scheduled castes also increased from 0.25% to 0.41%, according to unofficial final results.

The share of Christian population, however, decreased from 1.59% of the total population in 1998 to 1.27% in 2017. Similarly, the population of Ahamdis also decreased from 0.22% to just 0.09%.

The population share of other religions also reduced from 0.07% to 0.02%.

Here is the reference: — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:41A2:C000:21FF:9668:47B8:3911 (talk • contribs)

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Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 June 2021

To edit Pakistan Ojochegbe amos (talk) 16:02, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Yes Ojochegbe amos (talk) 16:03, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 16:17, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Reverting edits by Aman.kumar.goel

The reference that is used to support the claim that a massacre on Hindus was conducted in 2005 is incorrect. The BBC article that the reference mentions shows that only one witness, "Nawab Akbar Bugti", gives the claim that a massacre took place. The article itself doesn't state it a fact, therefore, I removed the information along with its reference from the article.