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:'''Support per Rockstone''', but the death toll is still unclear so I would caution from explicitly saying that at least 50 died. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 20:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
:'''Support per Rockstone''', but the death toll is still unclear so I would caution from explicitly saying that at least 50 died. [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 20:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{Comment}} Could "mass shooting and bomb attack" be changed to something simpler such as "attack" or "massacre"? [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 20:11, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
:{{Comment}} Could "mass shooting and bomb attack" be changed to something simpler such as "attack" or "massacre"? [[User:Dunutubble|Dunutubble]] ([[User talk:Dunutubble|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Dunutubble|Contributions]]) 20:11, 5 June 2022 (UTC)
*'''Tentative/weak support''' so far. This [https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-61697409 BBC piece] makes this event sound like it does not stand out against the broader backdrop of recent violence there, but it does not have the death toll. The unconfirmed 50+ strikes me as significant. It is hard to tell at this point whether this attack is part of some broader conflict, and which one. [[Insurgency in Southeastern Nigeria]] has casualties just over 100 people on one side of that conflict, so if it's that one, this would be a significant escalation.[[User:Chaser|Chaser]] ([[User talk:Chaser|talk]]) 20:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)


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Ondo church attack

Article: Ondo church attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: At least 50 people die and others are abducted in a mass shooting and bomb attack at a Roman Catholic church in Owo, Ondo State, Nigeria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Nigeria, at least 50 people die and others are abducted in a mass shooting and bomb attack at a Catholic church in Owo, Ondo State.
News source(s): Agence France-Presse, Reuters, The Guardian, Al-Jazeera, ABC News, VOA, BBC
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: Article needs expansion before posting, however please bear in mind this is very recent and new at the time of this nomination, more information is likely to be added soon. Abcmaxx (talk) 17:08, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support per Rockstone, but the death toll is still unclear so I would caution from explicitly saying that at least 50 died. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 20:10, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
 Comment: Could "mass shooting and bomb attack" be changed to something simpler such as "attack" or "massacre"? Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 20:11, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tentative/weak support so far. This BBC piece makes this event sound like it does not stand out against the broader backdrop of recent violence there, but it does not have the death toll. The unconfirmed 50+ strikes me as significant. It is hard to tell at this point whether this attack is part of some broader conflict, and which one. Insurgency in Southeastern Nigeria has casualties just over 100 people on one side of that conflict, so if it's that one, this would be a significant escalation.Chaser (talk) 20:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kazakh constitutional referendum

Article: 2022 Kazakh constitutional referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Kazakhstan votes in overhauling its constitution after facing deadliest unrest in history. (Post)
Alternative blurb: Kazakhstan holds a constitutional referendum in changing 56 amendments to constitution following the January 2022 unrest.
Alternative blurb II: ​ A constitutional referendum is held in Kazakhstan to democratize its political system following the violent civil unrest in January.
News source(s): France 24, Kazinform, News.com.au
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 ShadZ01 (talk) 05:56, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait - Needs at least the preliminary results. 4iamking (talk) 17:00, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Bangladesh fire

Article: 2022 Sitakunda fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 49 people are killed and over 400 wounded by an explosion and fire at a storage depot in Sitakunda, Chittagong District, Bangladesh. (Post)
News source(s): NDTV, BBC, Reuters, DW, AP
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Article updated
Nominator's comments: A huge fire in an container yard in Bangladesh with at least 40 deaths with hundreds more injured. Casualties may rise with time. Debjyoti Gorai (talk) 11:21, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Sophie Freud

Article: Sophie Freud (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): New York Times
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: Austrian American psychologist, educator, social scientist, and author. Died of pancreatic cancer. TJMSmith (talk) 13:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Larry Hillman

Article: Larry Hillman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CBC News (Canadian Press); National Post
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Article updated
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 Bloom6132 (talk) 07:56, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Ann Turner Cook

Article: Ann Turner Cook (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NYTimes
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: The original Gerber Baby. --PFHLai (talk) 16:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Agneta Klingspor

Article: Agneta Klingspor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dagens Nyheter
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First time doing this, please let me know any mistakes. A sad loss. Urve (talk) 18:57, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Kai Bumann

Article: Kai Bumann (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): kultura.trojmiasto.pl
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Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German conductor of Polish operas and orchestras, and of Swiss Youth Orchestra, no article in English yet, but German and Polish ..Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:47, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Alden Roche

Article: Alden Roche (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Green Bay Packers
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Article updated
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Nominator's comments: First reported today (June 2); died earlier this week (exact date unknown). —Bloom6132 (talk) 12:18, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: David Holford

Article: David Holford (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Cricinfo
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Article is barely more than a stub. A bit of work needs to be done.  Hamza Ali Shah  Talk 21:59, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Marion Barber III

Article: Marion Barber III (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CNN
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Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 The Kip (talk) 19:38, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth II

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Article: Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth II (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Seventy-one nations, territories, and dependencies celebrate the Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth II (Brisbane pictured). (Post)
News source(s): AP, BBC, Guardian, France24 (AFP)
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Nominator's comments: Added the number of places at the start because these kinds of blurbs would usually otherwise say "In X", but a more generic label may work better. Kingsif (talk) 11:46, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: – Surely a more on-topic photo could be found. – Sca (talk) 13:49, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Especially from someone who routinely supports daily events like mass shootings in Amurica. Jesus, get some contextual thinking. This is an encyclopedia. How many monarchs (whether you like them or not, and yeah, try hurling "Boston Tea Party" at us and we'll all just shrug and most of us will say "never heard of it") have reigned an Empire/Commonwealth/even a nation, for 70 years? Nah, not newsworthy. But yet another prick with a legal AR-15 shooting up kids is significant? Get a grip. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 22:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Celebrating her reign is not newsworthy in the same way that the brutal murders of 19 children is, and you know this. Mass shootings that kill more than 8+ people remain rare in America. This is just blurbing a celebration of a 96 year old woman who's only accomplishment is being birthed by someone whose ancestors many generations earlier had murdered their way to the throne. Would you support blurbing celebrations of the 250th anniversary of American independence come 2026? That's about the same level. --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:04, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The comments here and above are excessively disparaging. Not sure why this has turned into a this not that discussion, ITN is not bound to only specific types of items. And sure we can have articles for other jubilees as well, if they are well written and have coverage et al, but we will look into it when the time comes and shouldn't be a holdback now. Gotitbro (talk) 23:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh dear. America as an entity supports the mass murder of people through its reluctance to do anything about gun control. That's absolutely nothing to do with a monarch reigning for 70 years. I love that you have caveat your "mass shootings" with "kill more than 8+" is rare! Just utterly bizarre. Point me to the mass shootings in any other first world country with 8+ killings ever. Happy to support Yank independence 2026 as that's meaningful. Mass shootings which happen every single day in America, utterly pointless. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:13, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, at least you're intellectually consistent, I'll give you that. Other first world countries have had mass shootings of more than 8+ deaths; the one that comes to mind immediately is the 2020 Nova Scotia attacks, which killed 22. It's certainly far more common here in the US. My apologies for being a bit of a dick. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:17, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull. Not a long term significant event, and we're not a news ticker. I'm glad of the extra day holiday and all, but it's a bit absurd to post fluff like this when we also regularly bypass news items that actually have a real effect on people's lives.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:31, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You got a holiday, which means it's already had more of an effect on your life than a rickety airplane crashing in the mountains of Nepal. --LaserLegs (talk) 22:57, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(ec) It is probably by far the most significant monarchist event in recent history. And it's certainly all over the news. And it's relevant to hundreds of millions of people on English language Wikipedia. And it's 100% more relevant and longer lasting than the most recent mass shooting in the US. No problem at all with this, and I'm the opposite of a Royalist btw. I'm like a Democrat voting for "thoughts and prayers". The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:00, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Pull In the same category as trivia or celebrity news, and it's certainly misleading and inaccurate to portray this as something all commonwealth countries celebrate in any significant way.Abcmaxx (talk) 21:52, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I share concerns about the wording of the blurb. The "celebrations" are almost exclusively limited to the Commonwealth realms not the larger Commonwealth of Nations. Indeed the celebrations, especially things such as street parties, will be a very British affair. It was only this week the Australian PM appointed a new minister to oversee the country becoming a republic. AusLondonder (talk) 22:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not to send you down a process rabbit-hole, but, please take blurb refinement recommendations to WP:ERRORS. They are handled in a time-judicious manner there. Ktin (talk) 22:26, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • PP weak support It's getting a lot of attention and it doesn't have a body count. The Queen's article is also FA. Realistically the next time she makes it onto this page will be with her passing. -Ad Orientem (talk) 22:39, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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  • If this is your metric, then you should have supported the blurbing of the mass shootings... --RockstoneSend me a message! 23:05, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Why? The most recent mass shooting is just dust now. No-one cares. Kids are dead, no-one did anything, Ted Cruz is telling everyone the solution is more guns, and the mass populace in Amurica believe it all. Fucking stupid beyond belief. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:09, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The mass shooting is still headline news, even on the BBC's website, I'm looking at it now. And no, the "mass populace" doesn't believe what Ted Cruz is selling, he's a hack, but that's neither here nor there. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The most recent mass shooting is just dust now If you're talking about Uvalde, you clearly don't know what is happening in that story. Here's some coverage from the past 24 hours.[1][2][3][4] – Muboshgu (talk) 23:12, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You guys. You've had multiple mass shootings since Uvalde. Get a grip. This is a disgusting argument and utterly irrelevant to the Jubilee observations. Legal mass slaughter in Amurica is a way of life. We all know that. The monarch of hundreds of millions of people getting to 70 years? That's unique. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:15, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    We have had multiple mass shootings, and most of those haven't killed anyone, or were related to gang violence. It's the same way that a mass stabbing attack which kills no one won't make the news. And no, mass slaughter is not "legal", stop with the hyperbole. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:27, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Bizarre, you have children who can't buy a beer yet can buy an AR-15 and slaughter kids. You have "security staff" who just watch it all go on. It's all part of the narrative. Buy more guns, only good guys with guns can stop the bad guys with guns, etc etc. Madness. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Doesn't mean it's legal to slaughter kids. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:48, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I suggest a suitably competent admin closes this down as it's pretty clear that the Boston Tea Party is looking likely for a revival right now and it's both irrelevant and unseemly to continue this line of bollocks. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 23:25, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I can read the timestamps too; you brought up mass shootings first, on 22:56, I then responded to your comment in a later message. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 23:56, 2 June 2022 (UTC)
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RD: Uri Zohar

Article: Uri Zohar (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, Haaretz, Times of Israel, National Post
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Probably the most well-known figure of Israeli cinema. Generally notable actor. Dunutubble (talk) (Contributions) 12:58, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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RD: Barry Sussman

Article: Barry Sussman (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Thriley (talk) 07:40, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Andrée Geulen

Article: Andrée Geulen (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): RTBF, De Morgen, Times of Israel
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Member of the Belgian resistance and the last surviving member of the Committee for the Defence of Jews which was active in hiding Jewish children during the Holocaust. —Brigade Piron (talk) 09:34, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Tulsa shooting

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Article: Warren Clinic shooting (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ 5 people die in a mass shooting at a hospital in Tulsa, Oklahoma. (Post)
News source(s): CNN, NBC, BBC, ABC, CBS, AP
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Nominator's comments: I'm actually pretty surprised that no one brought this up yet. Oh well, at least I did it, you're welcome. ;) BubbaDaAmogus (Shoot me a message, I'm free!) 21:43, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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RD: Gerard Brennan

Article: Gerard Brennan (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Pelly, Michael (1 June 2022). "Former High Court chief justice Gerard Brennan dies". Australian Financial Review. Retrieved 2 June 2022.
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 {{u|Sdkb}}talk 04:42, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Chinese name part needs to be cited or removed. After that, we're good to go. Cheers! Support Article is well cited, long enough, and generally issue free. Fakescientist8000 11:33, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Fakescientist8000, commented out, since I couldn't find a source. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 14:29, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think he has a sufficiently interesting career to have such a short biography...I think it could be expanded more. There are some tags to fix, yet. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:24, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Alsoriano97, at 2500 characters of prose, it's well over the 1500-character standard often used at DYK. I wish it were longer, too, but this is ITN, not GAN/FAC. On tags, there was only one ill-placed clarify tag, which I removed. Please remember the salient question: not, "Is it as good as it can be?" but rather, "Is it in decent enough shape that we can present it widely to readers without embarrassing ourselves?" If the answer to the latter question is yes, we should get it up while it's still timely. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 18:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    What is clear is that you still do not respectfully assume constructive opinions. But beyond that, don't you think the article should talk about what he did as a High Court justice or even as Chief Justice? At least briefly? _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:29, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You're welcome to expand on the information about his term as High Court justice/Chief Justice already present in the article. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 19:48, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I guess that, since you are the nominator, there is no better person to do so. ;) _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 20:06, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Immediately after "Early life and education", we jump to "After retirement"? Where is the "Career" section? That's three decades of his life, often in prominent positions. These things establish notability and should not be missing from anyone's biography. Please fill this glaring gap (e.g. his legal training? what he did as a lawyer before becoming a judge? his appointment to the High Court and subsequently becoming Chief Justice? Perhaps a line of two about the Mabo case? Don't forget that he was also president of two Bar Associations and the founding president of the Administrative Appeals Tribunal before he "retired"... What a career!) --PFHLai (talk) 00:43, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Danish EU Opt out Referendum

Article: 2022 Danish European Union opt-out referendum (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Denmark votes to eliminate its opt-out of the EU's Common Security and Defence Policy. (Post)
News source(s): DR, FT, Politico, BBC, France24, DW, AP
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Nominator's comments: Has pretty big implications for the EU as a whole, Denmark was the only country with such an opt-out, and it is the first time any opt-out is scrapped without leaving the EU entirely (#Brexit). Charts need updating, slowly plugging away at it but its a lot of data. 4iamking (talk) 22:11, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I updated the results table now, full results are in article. 4iamking (talk) 00:12, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmn, no. The UK ending it's opt out on the social chapter came first. 3142 (talk) 16:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, corrected. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 17:21, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The article could use some more work, particularly a reactions/aftermatch section. In addition, we don't just include all national referendums here, and I don't think the referendum is of such worldwide importance that it ought to be included. Gust Justice (talk) 07:12, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This is just a change in the position of a member state regarding the participation in one particular policy area with no immediate implications. If the country had an opt-out that was abolished for the first time is only symbolic and the method of direct democracy doesn’t really give any additional weight here. The opt-out they had didn’t veto the implementation of policies in that area, so this is really a marginal change by a relatively small member state. I’d have perhaps considered supporting had Denmark abolished its opt-out regarding membership in the Eurozone and subsequently announced adoption of the euro.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 08:02, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support This is a fairly significant development especially given Denmark's history of euroscepticism and another consequence of Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I would argue that a nationwide referendum would almost always be of ITN significance. AusLondonder (talk) 11:34, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs some prose in the results/reactions section, otherwise this is an ITN story. --Tone 11:53, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ... in principle, pending article development. Widely covered as a foreign policy sea-change occasioned by the Russian invasion of Ukraine. – Sca (talk) 13:21, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose doesn't seem that significant in the grand scheme of things.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:10, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I had a read-through of the article and it looks to be in postable shape. The results and reactions sections look to be fleshed out, everything seems to be well-sourced and it's certainly noteworthy. -- Tavix (talk) 15:24, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support article is in good shape and it's unquestionably ITN-worthy. _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 16:05, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Is this really in the news? I stay pretty well informed, and the only mention I've seen of this is in this thread. Looking at this week's (June 4) and last week's Economist there is no mention of this - even in the summary of various issues in the front section. Looking at the references in the articles, they all appear to be Danish, except for a Tweet from Emmanuel Macron. This seems to be a very local issue. Nfitz (talk) 18:51, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The Guardian, the ABC, CNN, and the BBC all covered this, as did many overs. BilledMammal (talk) 06:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd think that the BBC article being 7 years old, say a lot. That said - media coverage of something doesn't make it ITN. There's been similar media coverage of numerous Swiss or California referendums over the years. The way the other articles are written, it looks to be more part of the ongoing Ukraine fallout than anything else. Nfitz (talk) 13:42, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Are you really comparing the referendums in Switzerland and California with the one held in Denmark, whereby a country, historically less subject to EU law, becomes subject to EU defense and security policies? Lol. And the fact that some news are not widely covered doesn't make them non-ITNR (look at the finals of sports competitions that are ITNR, for example). _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:09, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Or the entry into operation of the Elizabeth line whose nomination you supported... _-_Alsoriano97 (talk) 18:12, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Most Swiss/California referendums concern local laws and happen with way greater frequency, a referendum on a local tax or budgetary issue is going to be way less significant than one that concerns the exercising of provisions in international treaties. 4iamking (talk) 19:53, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Significant event that affects the entire EU, and a significant change of policy for Denmark. In addition, the result is unusual - Denmark usually votes no in EU referendums. BilledMammal (talk) 06:38, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Closed) Depp v. Heard verdict

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Article: Depp v. Heard (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Actor Johnny Depp wins a defamation lawsuit against actress and ex-wife Amber Heard. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Actors Johnny Depp and Amber Heard are both found liable in a defamation lawsuit.
News source(s): The New York Times
Credits:

Article updated
 Andise1 (talk) 19:52, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If any of the opposes thinks the story lacks encyclopedic value, then I suggest WP:AFD and if you're not willing to put in the effort I'd suggest your oppose is without merit. --LaserLegs (talk) 20:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I know this is going to go down in flames Then there's no point in reopening it - you're just wasting everyone's time.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 20:28, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Stories can be of encyclopedic value dye to broad coverage, but at the same time, utterly fail for they type of stories that ITN is meant for. The legal tribulations of formerly married people is definitely of this sort. --Masem (t) 20:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While I know this is very polarizing, it disheartens me to see so many editors providing a vote without presenting rationale that comments as to why (particularly in relation to article quality or notability). I'd like to encourage anyone reading this comment to do so, regardless of the vote. —Sirdog (talk) 21:43, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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(Posted) RD: Jim Parks (cricketer, born 1931)

Article: Jim Parks (cricketer, born 1931) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC News; ESPN; The Daily Telegraph; Sussex County CC
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Bloom6132 (talk) 08:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Victor von Halem

Article: Victor von Halem (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WDR
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Internationally known operatic bass, article was fine thanks to Voceditenore. He died 28 May but the news came around today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:41, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: KK (singer)

Article: KK (singer) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NDTV
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: C class article. 😭 Venkat TL (talk) 18:35, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Article needs ref work and the lead could be beefed up to mention more about his career (such as why is he regarded the "most versatile singers of his generation") because it only mentions the languages his songs were in. such as the career section and his album/awards section contain no sources. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 18:55, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Will try to update in some time. As a fan, very sad due to his untimely passing. 😭 Venkat TL (talk) 19:18, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, Seems to be an important figure to Indians. Prodrummer619 (talk) 19:31, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    @Prodrummer619: It's not about if the person is important, the main criteria is if the article is in good state (good sources, good info, etc.) TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:43, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment will try and assist folks on adding more sources to the article. Other than that, it has my Support. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 03:39, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Early life: "graduated from Kirori Mal College" in what?; two uncited statements: "This song featured members of the Indian Cricket Team.", "KK also has a daughter named Tamara Kunnath." Career: a lot of cn tags along with an additional refs banner. Awards and honors: completely uncited.
Also, related article List of songs recorded by KK contains three wholly uncited sections (and subsections): Film Songs in other languages, Albums, TV Title Songs, TV Performances, Other Non-Film Songs; and uncited 2020, 2022, 2023 sub-sections. Gotitbro (talk) 07:23, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Miangul Adnan Aurangzeb

Article: Miangul Adnan Aurangzeb (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Dawn, The News, 24 News
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Needs improvement Ainty Painty (talk) 07:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 monkeypox outbreak

Article: 2022 monkeypox outbreak (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: 500 cases have been confirmed since the beginning of the outbreak of monkeypox three weeks ago. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ The number of confirmed cases in the 2022 monkeypox outbreak has doubled to around 700 over the past week.

Nominator's comment: Check the chart from OurWorldInData (local version linked to on the right):

Chart of worldwide casenumbers in the ongoing monkeypox outbreak

Disclaimer - I am an involved editor in the article.

Notes: I had read some of the comments on the previous nomination. For all the epidemiological points, I'd like to point out that, as of now, there is too much unclear about the outbreak to be able to say whether this will go "pandemic" or not (even if due to the nature of transmission, a pandemic would be quite different to that of COVID-19 in any case). Also, I'd like to point out that - rather than being "hypersensitive" to the subject, my impression is that opposite - I think this would have been making more headlines before the pandemic (70 new cases of a disease - in one day in the UK - that was previously restricted to West Africa?).

So anyway, even if its not in the news that heavily anymore, I think this is warranted to presentation here on Wikipedia. (Also - I think it would be a shame not to showcase an article that many editors have put good work into - and which might be substantially out of date within a couple weeks though). Regards Sean Heron (talk) 11:18, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"not ruling out that this might...: is the sloppiest reason to post. HiLo48 (talk) 23:24, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Blurb, Support Ongoing The only news about 500 cases I'm seeing is about Nigeria's 500 cases since 2017 and Sankuru's 500 cases since January. In a non-African context, it's just apparently some number. But the broader outbreak keeps chugging along in general, with however many new cases (article says 568). InedibleHulk (talk) 11:54, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing it's an ongoing event with ongoing news coverage. However, there is no single event so far that meets the threshold for an ITN blurb. And once again, there is no rule that something has to be a blurb before being added to ongoing, contrary to people that will inevitably argue this. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait It is fair game that this potentially can be a pandemic or the like, but we're still talking 500 cases out of 7 billion people, compared to COVID that by the time we posted was in the high thousands. Feels too premature at this point for ongoing. --Masem (t) 12:09, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    You can't go the rest of your life comparing everything to COVID. Apples and oranges. How long did the Russian invasion take? InedibleHulk (talk) 12:21, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Exactly! From creation, 19 days, 18 hours and 42 minutes of continual news and article updates. God knows how many seconds. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:18, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    For the record, this article is now precisely 13 days, 14 hours and 50 minutes old. InedibleHulk (talk) 13:28, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Without checking for sure, we didn't add Covid as ongoing until about 3 to 4 months after its first major news of spread. I am pretty confident our first articles on Covic were created that December before the pandemic declaration. Masem (t) 18:34, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Again, everything about that storyline is weird. The bards in charge had to whip up an entirely new and never-before-seen word just to describe its twists and turns. The "fight against monkeypox" is also not combat in the traditional sense, but as this enemy is selectively targeting gay men through physical contact and turning them red, it's closer in spirit to Russian barbarism than some ethereal indiscriminate upper respiratory threat. The simplest choice, of course, is to treat it on its own merits. Its incremental updates are novel, unique and original, after all. InedibleHulk (talk) 08:20, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing - A COVID-19 comes along only once in a lifetime. All other pandemics in this generation will pale in comparison to it. But this is still newsworthy despite its limited impact thus far.--WaltCip-(talk) 12:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ongoing. The blurb would happen if a pandemic is declared. Jehochman Talk 13:03, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Ongoing ... oppose blurb, since the situation doesn't appear to have changed markedly since the blurb nom. last week failed to fly, and because as Walt notes impact has been limited. – Sca (talk) 13:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb first - unusual outbreak. I would hold off on ongoing until the blurb sinks down though, within the week or so in which that happens we should know for sure whether it's Ongoing-worthy or not. Either way, hopefully it wouldn't be. Juxlos (talk) 13:47, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb or ongoing Either or should be fine, but this should 100% be on the main page ITN section ASAP. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 16:27, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wait Still 0 deaths; it has also largely rolled off of the front page at most news organizations. The last blurb was nominated during peak media hysteria about a new potential public health crisis 47.176.81.182 (talk) 18:00, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless WHO declares this a pandemic. -- RockstoneSend me a message! 20:42, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Honestly, not yet a pandemic, and with HIV/AIDS not posted, even that bar alone is not an auto-inclusion in my mind. 500 cases of a disease - and none of which yet fatal - in a span of a few weeks is notable, but not quite seismic in impact, nor unique. DarkSide830 (talk) 04:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Clarification question - is this opposition to a "blurb" or inclusion as "ongoing" ? (Just going by the current "ongoing" events, I could understand your seismic comment - for the blurb, I'm not sure how eg the winner of a Sports event would qualify as "seismic") Sean Heron (talk) 06:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    P.S. Actually, bar SARS and COVID, and to an extent the 2003 US monkeypox outbreak (which was zoonotic though) - this outbreak is in fact unique, as far as I can tell (happy to be pointed to other examples though!) Sean Heron (talk) 06:02, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm not sure where in the ITN guidelines it says that a public health issue has to be declared a pandemic before it reaches sufficient newsworthiness. The Rambling Man (Keep wearing the mask...) 06:17, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Good point. -- Sca (talk) 12:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Last major outbreak was in 2003, looks significant. Gotitbro (talk) 07:25, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose unless it's declared a pandemic. This disease is also endemic to some parts of Africa already, so to suddenly highlight it just because it's moved to the "western" world is not a good look IMHO.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:34, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    its not that it's moved to the western world, its that the disease has moved to countries where it shouldn't be found in. 4iamking (talk) 10:54, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but Ongoing its getting alot of news coverage, and its not going away anytime soon. There is no requirement for it to be anther pandemic to be featured in ITN, it just has to take up a lot of oxygen in the news.4iamking (talk) 10:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – Why isn't this nom. using the standard template? – Sca (talk) 12:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose ZERO deaths. I don't think natural disasters with zilch fatalities get posted. At least bother to nominate this once the first fatality is confirmed. I personally have a hard time finding differences between this and a panic-obsessed media complex trying to generate clicks. It's like the media complex has become habituated about posting every incremental update about possible but unconfirmed health condition that might or might not have an economic impact. 81.181.130.106 (talk) 14:13, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Blaming 'the media' is always a good ploy. -- Sca (talk) 15:05, 1 June 2022 (UTC) [reply]
Support ongoing - Ongoing event with continuous coverage. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ) 06:43, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose There has not even been 1,000 confirmed cases yet and no reported deaths. This can perhaps be renominated in a few weeks if the reported number of cases explodes. Thriley (talk) 23:44, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because it's easily important enough & the article is good enough. It doesn't need to be an epidemic/pandemic to be important enough to post. Jim Michael 2 (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support blurb or ongoing. It's in the news, article quality is good enough. There are no rules about it having to be declared a pandemic, or having to kill a certain number of people, or having to be in the news in the place where editors live... all of these are oppose rationales that should be discounted. Levivich 22:17, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Actually, in regards to "having be declared a pandemic", we do not want to post the same story multiple times to ITN so we want to be at a point where we move out of speculation into when it is a proven event (eg high-profile criminal convictions, business merger announcements). There's a potential for this to be a pandemic, so ideally we don't want to post the story before it reached that turning point. Masem (t) 22:21, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    but then, with the absence of the pandemic hook, wouldn't the logical thing be to add this to ongoing (given that it is receiving a lot of attention in the news and has been for a few weeks now), and when it actually gets declared a pandemic if that ever happens, then we would blurb it? 4iamking (talk) 23:18, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In the spirit of WP:NOTCRYSTALBALL, we shouldn't not post an ITN blurb about an outbreak because we think it will become a pandemic later. Also there really is no problem with posting a story twice, it's not like we don't have room or we have too many blurbs rolling off too soon; in fact the problem is the opposite, ITN blurbs are perpetually stale... mostly because good blurb candidates are voted down by a myriad of new and inventive reasons like "might become a pandemic later". Also also, posting it to ongoing avoids this issue entirely. Levivich 01:22, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support ongoing. There's no major recent development that would warrant a blurb, but this has been in the news enough at a high enough sustained frequency, with regular gradual developments, that ongoing makes sense. -- King of ♥ 01:30, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Questions (by nominator):

I'm not understanding some things here (and have doubts I would understand better by reading the policies on ITN in more detail). So:

  • Will an administrator be looking over the nomination and bringing it to a conclusion, or not? I'm asking, because the first nomination was "simply" auto-archived from what I can tell.
  • What criteria are used to decide on inclusion for ITN - is it whether the Wikipedia article has been updated (and of high enough quality)? Or whether the subject matter / article is being reported on in big (international) media outlets? Or if the news item some passes some kind of notability criteria? What guides notability? (For the Outbreak, notability has been dismissed with arguments ranging from "no deaths yet" to "when it is declared a pandemic")
    • -> My feeling right now (and looking at other nominations, eg for the Texas elemenary school shooting), is its some kind of amalgation of all of those, (but then in certain cases, the question of how many people take one view or another is not deemed relevant?)
  • In general - people weighing in, on both sides for the Monkeypox outbreak, seem mostly to be strongly swayed by their personal opinion. Is that the general idea of how ITN nominations are to be resoved? Put differently, my impression is the process is pretty badly broken, or at least could be considerably improved (to make for more structured discussions, along more objective and deliminated criteria).

Sorry if there are answers to these questions somewhere already, or if there is a better forum to pose the questions - I'm happy to be pointed there! Regards, Sean Heron (talk) 23:05, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Your observation about the process is a valid one. See this discussion. --RockstoneSend me a message! 00:20, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The main concern is if this has passed a threshold that is recognized as a key point. Eg: We don't post on arrests or the like until the person is convicted in a court of law, etc. When the best time to report a potential epidemic/pandemic is unclear but we do know there are points like when WHO officially names it as such. Hence the hesitation for posting this now when we don't have that, and thus harming if we have to post again when the WHO make their assessment. --Masem (t) 00:44, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sean shouldn't stress about ITN's manifest flaws because the monkeypox topics are actually doing fine. Here's how they compare in recent readership with the current bold entries in the ITN blurbs:
Recent readership (30 days)
Topic Readers
Elizabeth II
2,289,203
Monkeypox
1,755,887
2022 monkeypox outbreak
706,368
Platinum Jubilee of Elizabeth II
356,113
Tara Air Flight 197
55,502
2022 Port Harcourt stampede
31,182
2022 Indian Premier League Final
11,898
It's clear from this that ITN is driving few readers to the topics in question. Our readers mostly decide for themselves what's important and go straight there. That includes monkeypox and so Sean's efforts have not been in vain. Well done.
Andrew🐉(talk) 09:45, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the friendly comments, and the pointers :) . Sean Heron (talk) 10:29, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) RD: Costen Shockley

Article: Costen Shockley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The News Journal, Cape Gazette
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 BeanieFan11 (talk) 01:17, 5 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RD: Boris Pahor

Article: Boris Pahor (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): DW, France 24
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable Slovene Holocaust survivor and novelist. NovumChase (talk) 01:26, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Friedrich Christian Delius

Article: Friedrich Christian Delius (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Der Spiegel and many others
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: German Novelist who wrote as a great observer of Germans from pre-Nazi to present time, received highest German literary award, novels translated into English and other languages, - article was decent, slightly expanded, more possible if someone has more time. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:30, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Sean Thackrey

Article: Sean Thackrey (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
 Bloom6132 (talk) 00:48, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @PFHLai: done – citation needed tags addressed and unsourced statement removed. I removed one CN tag (first para. of "Early life") because it is an uncontroversial statement re. his university prof that was already verified by ref 7 at the end of the paragraph. —Bloom6132 (talk) 16:30, 4 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ramses Ohee

Article: Ramses Ohee (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Liputan 6
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Incumbent member of parliament from Papua. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael 02:08, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Jeff Gladney

Article: Jeff Gladney (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Fort Worth Star-Telegram Former TCU teammate Jalen Reagor
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: American football cornerback who played for the Cardinals and Vikings. Unexpected and tragic death in a car accident. Only 25. KingOfAllThings (thou shalt chatter!) 18:45, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 IIHF World Championship

Article: 2022 IIHF World Championship (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the IIHF World Championship concludes with Finland defeating Canada in the final. (Post)
News source(s): CBC/The Canadian Press, National Post/Reuters
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
  • Oppose on quality there is no summary text in the article, either for explaining how this complicated tournament works, or any match summaries. These are standard issues with sports articles, and is why most of them don't get posted (see for example all the other ITNR sports things below that haven't been accepted). Joseph2302 (talk) 15:14, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I might be able to work on it tomorrow, can’t guarantee it however. The Kip (talk) 22:31, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Ronnie Hawkins

Article: Ronnie Hawkins (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News, New York Times
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: 1950s rock and roll / blues musician who contributed significantly to the early development of modern rock. Article needs substantive work, but hopefully this draws attention to that. Floydian τ ¢ 03:09, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Seems like it's meant to show the transition of The Hawks into The Band, but I don't see the point of including the portions after Hawkins left. I'm sure there's a biography out there that could source all this, but I have no qualm moving it to the talk page until sources can be found for it. - Floydian τ ¢ 11:35, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks for the removal. It seems like a good idea, but not yet ready for use with the sourcing thus far. This wikibio is more than long enough to qualify (2684 words of readable prose), has footnotes at expected spots, with no obvious formatting problems. Apart from a few quotes, Earwig has found no issues. This wikibio is READY for RD. --PFHLai (talk) 12:49, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Stan Rodger

Article: Stan Rodger (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff.co.nz, Otago Daily Times, NZ Herald
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable New Zealand unionist and politician. Currently C-Class article, well referenced. Kiwichris (talk) 01:15, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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(Posted) Indy 500

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Article: 2022 Indianapolis 500 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In auto racing, Marcus Ericsson (pictured) wins the Indianapolis 500, the second Swede to do so. (Post)
News source(s): Associated Press
Credits:
Article updated
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
 2600:1702:38D0:E70:452C:FB38:4B5A:A417 (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks it's pretty simple. If you don't want this on ITN/R head over to WT:ITN and propose a removal so I can oppose it. Your oppose in this nom is invalid. --LaserLegs (talk) 12:40, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Very bizarre that Monaco Grand Prix is not ITNR listed but this is given they both form part of the Triple Crown of Motorsport. I know what race attracts more international coverage and it isn't this one. AusLondonder (talk) 15:57, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah there is a secret WP:CABAL of US only motorsport enthusiasts who conspire to keep the whatever you linked to off the main page. When you re-enter the earths atmosphere and the radio blackout has ended I'll transmit instructions to you on how you can nominate your favorite events at ITN, then if successful nominate for inclusion at ITN/R. I'm not sure from which planet or other celestial body you're originating from, just call me when you make it to Earth. --LaserLegs (talk) 18:59, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your constructive, collaborative, insightful comments as usual. A real asset to the project, you are. AusLondonder (talk) 08:01, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose on quality there doesn't seem to be a summary of the actual Sunday race itself (just a results table). Joseph2302 (talk) 10:50, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think this needs to be codified somewhere: ITN/R is not a guideline and there are no exceptions. Any attempts to treat it as such by opposing an ITN/R item based on notability, usually with the accompanying argument of WP:IAR, should itself be ignored. Any consensus established on ITN/R supersedes any attempt to block a posting on such grounds, and in order to remove an item's ITN/R status, consensus needs to be established on WT:ITN.--WaltCip-(talk) 15:12, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:ITNR is a "generally accepted standard that editors should attempt to follow, though it is best treated with common sense, and occasional exceptions may apply" AusLondonder (talk) 15:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wikipedia:In_the_news#Sports_and_other_recurring_events " Items listed there are considered exempt from having to prove their notability through discussion on the candidates page" --LaserLegs (talk) 19:01, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Which is neither a policy nor a guideline. The guideline is WP:ITNR, and it says occasional exceptions may apply. BilledMammal (talk) 19:28, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What has more weight - a boilerplate template that is applied to every "guideline", or the wording of WP:ITNR itself which provides for NO exceptions? WaltCip-(talk) 11:50, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:5P5: "Wikipedia has no firm rules". People pretending otherwise sound at best like lawyers (not in a positive sense); and more likely just silly. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 22:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Tara Air Flight 197

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Article: Tara Air Flight 197 (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: Tara Air Flight 197 crashes with 22 people on board after going over some high mountains in Nepal (Post)
Alternative blurb: Tara Air Flight 197 crashes in Nepal, killing all 22 people on board.
News source(s): AP, Guardian, Reuters
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: A plane crash with 22 deaths, even though the plane is small, plane crash should be mentioned because they are not common now a days which results in causalities. Debjyoti Gorai (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) 2022 Indian Premier League Final

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Article: 2022 Indian Premier League Final (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In cricket, Gujarat Titans win the Indian Premier League, defeating Rajasthan Royals in the final. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In cricket, Gujarat Titans win the Indian Premier League, defeating Rajasthan Royals in the final (player of the final Hardik Pandya pictured).
News source(s): Cricbuzz
Credits:

Article needs updating
The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.
Nominator's comments: Will be done in 1.5 hours. Prose is there. Good refs needed Sherenk1 (talk) 16:39, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Irrelevant and immaterial.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

[Attention needed] Madjoari massacre

Article: May 2022 Madjoari massacre (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: At least 50 people are killed by armed assailants in a rural commune of eastern Burkina Faso. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Kompienga Province, Burkina Faso, over 50 civilians are massacred by an armed group believed to be linked to the jihadist insurgency in the country.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over 50 civilians are killed in Kompienga Province, Burkina Faso.
News source(s): France 24, Reuters, CNN, DW
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Mass casualty incident with international coverage. Article requires significant expansion. Most details surrounding event remain unclear (perpetrators, exact death toll, motives...) Mooonswimmer 15:27, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Map of ongoing armed conflicts (number of combat-related deaths in current or past year):
  Major wars (10,000 or more)
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  Skirmishes and clashes (10–99)

(Posted) RD: Sidhu Moose Wala

Article: Sidhu Moose Wala (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express, NDTV
Credits:

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: C class. good sourcing. Venkat TL (talk) 14:18, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't make any difference, per the RFC linked in the nomination. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 18:02, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also disturbingly false - I've seen multiple news stories here in Canada. Nfitz (talk) 03:15, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please be reminded that for RD noms, "recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD." PFHLai (talk) 18:05, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - He is well known person among the Punjabi community around the world specially in India, Canada and the UK. He is most well known among the Sikhs. His membership with the INC and participation in the 2020-2021 Farmers' protest also makes him known even more. Debjyoti Gorai 18:28, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Strong Support- Well known subject and notable event. -Tow (talk) 20:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Looks fine for an RD. And as Lai/the ITN template above notes, notability is not a factor for RD noms, only the article quality (prose et al) should be discussed here. Gotitbro (talk) 22:52, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Thryduulf (talk) 23:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) Port Harcourt stampede

Article: 2022 Port Harcourt stampede (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: At least 31 people die at a church charity event in a stampede in Port Harcourt, southern Nigeria. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Over 30 people are killed in a stampede in Port Harcourt, Nigeria.
News source(s): AP, BBC, DW, CNN, Al Jazeera, Vanguard, The Guardian (Nigeria)
Credits:

Article needs updating
Nominator's comments: Made world news as significant disaster, article however is a stub and needs major expansion. Nominating in order to draw attention to it. Abcmaxx (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(Posted) RD: Lester Piggott

Article: Lester Piggott (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Guardian, Bloomberg, BBC, Sky Sports
Credits:

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.
Nominator's comments: Notable British jockey. "In popular culture" section has issues, rest of article OK. Mjroots (talk) 08:49, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose as stands 19 citation needed tags, not including the whole of his extensive honours section. I'm unsure as to whether blurb could be a possibility, as he was the record Derby winner with nine, and competed for nearly a half century. I would say the average person on the street in the UK knows only him and Frankie Dettori, though I can't speak for the rest of the world. Horse racing can hardly be called a niche due to the millions (billions?) put into it by the richest people in the world in order to get winners. Unknown Temptation (talk) 11:21, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    9 tags now. I guess you mean "Major wins" which is wholly unsourced (although many of the horses have their own articles. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Sourcing needs to be fixed, content appears alright otherwise. Can be considered for a blurb but as it stands, no. Gotitbro (talk) 16:46, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • support - lots of unsourced information, CN tags and quite a few MOS issues, such as flags in the competition victories section. Also, the shirts under the infobox take up about 8 pages on mobile view. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 17:24, 29 May 2022 (UTC) Supporting now, have made some changes for MOS. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 08:30, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Refs now added (citation needed tags removed).SethWhales talk 19:23, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comments: The green boxes of jerseys placed just under the infobox, presumably not added there just as pretty decorations, need to be explained and sourced. --PFHLai (talk) 19:56, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On that, I've opened a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Horse racing.Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 20:46, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They should never have been included in the article relating to Lester Piggott, they should only be in a specific horse race, such as 1983 Epsom Derby. They include also include second and third place finishes too, I have therefore removed them. I have been bold. SethWhales talk 21:09, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The reason I started a topic is because this isn't restrained to only this item - see Walter Swinburn for instance. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 21:14, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, they should also be removed too.SethWhales talk 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have removed the Cite banner Unreferenced section too, as each race win does not need to be referenced as this information is widely available such as Willie Carson, Pat Eddery, Eddie Delahoussaye etc. SethWhales talk 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- how does that source this information? These victories are uncited. Lee Vilenski (talkcontribs) 21:45, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty sure that this would all have been covered in major UK newspapers at the time, such at The Times. Mjroots (talk) 05:23, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have added an archived reference as a source at bottom of the "Major wins" section from racingbase.com. Is it now good to go? SethWhales talk 06:20, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Posted. Issues mentioned above, including citation of Major wins section and the disruptive list of jersey pictures, appear to have been resolved satisfactorily.  — Amakuru (talk) 10:53, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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