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*'''Keep, for now''' As others have noted, it is a significant event in and of itself, dominating news in the UK and recieving coverage from elsewhere. There is too much content to realistically make it a section of another article without losing some of the detail and depth. Others have compared it to other articles, such as the one about Evita, pointing out that they have less detail, as some sort of justification that there should be less here. Just because we do not have the information to document something else, it does not mean that coverage of this even should suffer. If, as many commentators claim, it will not seem significant in years to come, it can always be merged in future, but it is likely to reduce the level of detail of new information contributors add if it is merged now. It may turn out to be the right decision to merge it eventually, but even if so, keeping it until that is clear is a safer bet, and it is certainly of interest at the moment. [[User:Sipos0|Sipos0]] ([[User talk:Sipos0|talk]]) 17:29, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
*'''Keep, for now''' As others have noted, it is a significant event in and of itself, dominating news in the UK and recieving coverage from elsewhere. There is too much content to realistically make it a section of another article without losing some of the detail and depth. Others have compared it to other articles, such as the one about Evita, pointing out that they have less detail, as some sort of justification that there should be less here. Just because we do not have the information to document something else, it does not mean that coverage of this even should suffer. If, as many commentators claim, it will not seem significant in years to come, it can always be merged in future, but it is likely to reduce the level of detail of new information contributors add if it is merged now. It may turn out to be the right decision to merge it eventually, but even if so, keeping it until that is clear is a safer bet, and it is certainly of interest at the moment. [[User:Sipos0|Sipos0]] ([[User talk:Sipos0|talk]]) 17:29, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' It clearly is a resonabily significant media event in its own right with a decent amount of coverage. The name will probably have to be clarified at some point in the future.--[[User:Llewee|Llewee]] ([[User talk:Llewee|talk]]) 18:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' It clearly is a resonabily significant media event in its own right with a decent amount of coverage. The name will probably have to be clarified at some point in the future.--[[User:Llewee|Llewee]] ([[User talk:Llewee|talk]]) 18:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' I've seen articles for much more obscure events than this. It has received news coverage in international media like [[ABS-CBN Corporation |ABS-CBN News]] [https://news.abs-cbn.com/amp/classified-odd/09/17/22/britain-draws-pride-from-the-queue-for-its-queen here] in the Philippines. [[User:HolaQuetzalcoatl|HolaQuetzalcoatl]] ([[User talk:HolaQuetzalcoatl|talk]]) 19:57, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

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This event fails WP:NEVENT, as this is neither something with WP:LASTING significance nor an event with wide geographical scope and could frankly be deleted under WP:DEL-REASON#8. Any content here can be appropriately covered within the article on Elizabeth II's death, Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II, which is a more appropriate location to describe this article's subject. As such, I am proposing that we blank-and-redirect this article, as this is a non-notable event where any coverage would be better placed in the proper context of the death article. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 21:49, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Popular culture, Christianity, Geography, England, and Islands. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 21:49, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - extremely broad international coverage, not all feeding from local sources certainly gives a reasonable indication that it is notable. Additionally, not all the available content could reasonably be included in the Death and state funeral of Elizabeth II article, so it would also act as a reasonable spinoff article. The BLAR didn't merge the then present content (already shorter than the current level) into that article, additionally. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:56, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Per WP:NOPAGE, There are other times when it is better to cover notable topics, that clearly should be included in Wikipedia, as part of a larger page about a broader topic, with more context. I think this is clearly one of those times; we're covering the line to see the queen in this article. Even for Evita, the article describes the fact that 3 million Argentine mourners (one-sixth of all Argentina at the time) queued up for two weeks to see her or attend her funeral in a single section in her biographical article. I see no reason why the queue itself is expected to have lasting coverage that is better situated in its own article rather than in the broader context of the article on Elizabeth's death and state funeral. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 22:15, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    the article describes the fact that 3 million Argentine mourners (one-sixth of all Argentina at the time) queued up for two weeks to see her. -- What you claim here isn't reflected in the text of the article. 3 million people gathered. But a gathering is not the same as a queue. Seddon talk 03:36, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why is this considered for deletion? "The Queue" is a cultural phenomenon and a historic event which is being reported on in newspapers and news channels around the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Princessdawn (talkcontribs) 22:16, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    This is considered for deletion per the rationale presented in the nomination. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:24, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Death_and_state_funeral_of_Elizabeth_II#Lying in state and the Queue; obviously does not need a separate article. The international coverage and wildly premature "cultural phenomenon" claim is not independent of the broader news around the death and funeral, and the content does not warrant a split. Reywas92Talk 22:23, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. It's certainly worth mentioning The Queue (and I do enjoy the capitalisation), but the information here belongs in the main article., A.D.Hope (talk) 22:56, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to Death_and_state_funeral_of_Elizabeth_II#Lying in state and the Queue, pending a couple days to see if there's sustained coverage. Rather humored this made it to the Christianity AFD sorting, but I suppose it is actually appropriate. ~ Pbritti (talk) 00:58, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge as above. There's already a more notable queue in British culture, it's the queue for Wimbledon tickets and it has appeared every year since 1922, yet only gets a mention in Wimbledon Championships#Tickets 141.143.213.47 (talk) 02:19, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (updated) per WP:NEVENT I disagree the nominators assessment here. The second criteria in NEVENT Events are also very likely to be notable if they have widespread (national or international) impact and were very widely covered in diverse sources very clearly applies here. It has resulted in the hospitalisation of 45 people, is being assessed as being a potential world record, the coverage is only increasing and is also likely to be the focus of future scientific studies. In addition:
  • Meets WP:GEOSCOPE -- Coverage of an event nationally or internationally may make notability more likely)
  • Meets WP:DEPTH -- The general guideline is that coverage must be significant and not in passing. In-depth coverage includes analysis that puts events into context, such as is often found in books, feature length articles in major news magazines (like The Guardian, Times...
  • Meets WP:GNG -- gained sufficiently significant attention by the world at large and over a period of time, and are not outside the scope of Wikipedia. We consider evidence from reliable and independent sources to gauge this attention.
Unlike the generic queues for Wimbledon, this queue... THE Queue... is itself notable. Seddon talk 02:45, 16 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Have already voted but I think the article is in a much better place than it was when the AfD nomination was initiated XxLuckyCxX (talk) 12:14, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd concur that whilst a rename at some point in the future may be likely but for now, WP:COMMONNAME holds for "The Queue". Seddon talk 15:27, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]