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here we go again, someone making publicity for itself on wikipediaGenesisPRO (talk) 09:58, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

This statement Also, an additional reference was added which clearly desmontrates that the university did not follow its own rules, recruited complainants and leaked to story to media. It is explained in the reference added to the story. The investivation was never completed as the subject resigned because the investigation went public. It is clearly cited in references used for this story inbtroduced by JANVEZ has no background, no sources linked

Still have to delete it GenesisPRO (talk) 10:56, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

In this https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/high-profile-dal-dean-sylvain-charlebois-stepping-down-1.4796909

there Brian Leadbetter, a spokesperson for the university, said the investigation into Charlebois has now concluded and no further action will be taken. It has action taken, They accepted resignation GenesisPRO (talk) 10:59, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

JANVEZ keep introducing personnal view on article, with any evidence, sources, citations. It has to stop.

souces are clear

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/high-profile-dal-business-dean-stepping-down-1.4796909

The announcement comes following an investigation the university began in May into complaints of bullying and harassment against Charlebois. GenesisPRO (talk) 11:15, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

019282abc keep adding an interview of Charlebois speaking... No journalistic proof, only personnal view--GenesisPRO (talk) 10:00, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Consumer Advocacy

Users are making claims that aren't verifiable. Cannot say consumers were dismayed without citing it. Cannot claim that Charlebois coined the term buttergate without citing it - it's actually not true, the first person to use the term in association with the issue was journalist Denise Wong well before Charlebois did ( https://twitter.com/DeniseTWong/status/1344049936975851522 ). Cannot claim farmers are feeding their cattle palm oil without citing it, that is misleading as the issue actually concerns small amounts of a feed supplement that contains a palm by-product - it's not like they are feeding them pure palm oil. Cannot claim there exists a social contract without citing it. Foodprofessor (talk) 01:47, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

I am watching this article to see if administrative action might be needed. Edits must improve an article. Your recent changes to remove advertorial text are good, but leaving it at "Charlebois wrote an op-ed on 21 February 2021" is not. It is fine to note attributed claims in the op-ed without the flowery language. The npr.org report seems to be suitable for that. Please strive to fix the article rather than taking it to the opposite of how you found it. Johnuniq (talk) 04:32, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Purpose of talk pages

I have removed a comment here that seemed to be speculation about the identity of another editor. At Wikipedia, that is known as WP:OUTING and repetition will result in an indefinite block. It is clear that some off-wiki coordination has led to people with a variety of conflicts of interest arriving here. You must understand that article talk pages are available to discuss actionable proposals to improve the article, based on reliable sources. If anyone attempts to mock living people on this page or in the article ("amazing", "brilliant") they will also be indefinitely blocked. Please pay attention to my previous comment at #Consumer Advocacy above: edits should improve the article; it is fine to use npr.org to briefly describe advocacy using neutral terms. Edit warring over that will lead to questions about whether those involved are here to help the encyclopedia or are here to settle an off-wiki squabble (in the latter case, indefinite blocks would be required). Questions can be asked here or at WP:Teahouse. Johnuniq (talk) 23:00, 2 March 2021 (UTC)

Johnuniq Can you check if there's a probably link between Janvez and Foodprofessor? Janvez is blocked on French Wikipedia. It should be blocked here and probably Foodprofessor also. Thank you.

DALalumni is also reverted and GenesisPRO suspicious too on French Wikipedia.--Pastelli (talk) 17:57, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

Conflict of interest

Continued edits by accounts already flagged for conflict of interest including 24.89.229.255. User's edit history includes SC and SC-related topics, likely COI with SC.— Preceding unsigned comment added by SchoonersFan (talk • contribs)

Anything to declare, SchoonersFan?--- Possibly (talk) 02:09, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

For years multiple accounts have been allowed to contribute puffery and whitewash particular elements of the subject's background and advance the subject's narrative. If Wikipedia is to be taken seriously as a source... SchoonersFan (talk) 13:05, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

The situation on fr-wp

Hello, apologies because English is not my mother tongue. FYI I blocked editors on fr-wp. The article about Charlebois attracts many SPA. Janvez kept writing promotional content + deleted any criticism + used edit warring + sock-puppets in a debate. See RCU. On the opposite side (people writing criticism), there are also sockpuppets and edit war: DALalumni = GenesisPRO see RCU. So... there are people creating fake accounts on each side to fight about Charlebois: this is getting ridiculous. The page is now under ECP. Maybe fr-wp sysop should just kick any SPA who writes about Charlebois. Best regards, - Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 10:18, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Bédévore: Thanks for that. I will post your comment content, up to coin. scope_creep^Talk 12:01, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Scope creep: Janvez = Yaskyask See RCU. What a surprise, another sockpuppet! Best regards, - Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 12:21, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, Bédévore and scope creep. I have added extended-confirmed protection to the page for three months and I have indef blocked Janvez, Yaskyask, DALalumni, and GenesisPRO based on the evidence from French Wikipedia sockpuppet investigations and their behaviour here. Foodprofessor is already username-softblocked. Fences&Windows 13:25, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, there's another suckpuppet on fr-wiki : Guruledled check. The Professor should have mercy on that great fan of his and send them a signed copy of all his books, it will be the ultimate gift for the sockpuppeter. Anyway there's a page on the Janvez's sockpuppets fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/Janvez. Best regards, - Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 17:15, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Bédévore: Yip, another one. The pace of change on the article has stopped now, which is good. I did a search for that editor and couldn't see it, so perhaps they have given up the ghost, although I suspect somebody will be in, in the next 2-3 months to update it. Maybe the CU guys will check on it, if it flairs up again. I will keep an eye on it. scope_creep^Talk 17:51, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi scope_creep FYI Janvez = 24.138.40.15 = Atkcp fr:Wikipédia:Vérificateur d'adresses IP/Requêtes/juin 2021#Janvez, 24.138.40.15, Atkcp - 5 juin - fr:Wikipédia:Faux-nez/Janvez. Now the extended protection runs for 2 years on fr-wp. Best regards, - Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 09:14, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

Bédévore I requested the same protection here to Fences and windows, the situation is back here too.--CAQeux (talk) 23:18, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

CAQeux = ConsumersDistributingonline: see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/ConsumersDistributingonline--Jean-Mahmood (talk) 19:34, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Recurrent vandalism

This page is constantly vandalized by dairy farmers with the intent to damage Charlebois' reputation. It happened again yesterday. This page needs to be deleted or fully protected. 2605:B100:B25:7274:1D39:87D:A274:4B3F (talk) 16:04, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

I was the one who did the edits this page. I am not from the dairy industry (in fact, lactose intolerant).

There is no agenda from my part. I simply reinstated a story from Sylvain Charlebois, which was highly publicized, and factual. I provided news sources and properly referenced the page. This is ultimately an important story that gained national attention and led to the stepping down of a dean from a high-profile university. However, this story was completely removed.

I believe there is an agenda to whitewash Sylvain Charlebois' name and completely erase this story. I don't believe that Sylvain Charlebois should be demonized for the bullying investigation done against him. I simply think it's important to prevent this story from being completely removed from his bio (as has been attempted multiple times). Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 16:28, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

There's actually been editors with agendas both pro- and con-Charlebois, both here and on the French Wikipedia (see #The situation on fr-wp above). This is why I treated you with suspicion initially, Ariel. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 16:30, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you jekse, and I actually agree that maybe I did a bit of overemphasis on the investigation scandal, which is why I think the current version in the Charlebois article is a happy unbiased medium.

One more thing. You reinstated the "consumer advocacy" subsection on his page. But note that this "consumer advocacy" subsection is redundant with two paragraphs on his "studies" section. Should I go ahead and try to remove this section again? Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 16:38, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Yes, please do. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 16:41, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Nosfer ariel65 is overstating what happened 4 years ago. It was not an highly publicized "scandal". I'M at Dalhousie, the university funded his Lab. No point adding irrelevant information about him as Dean, since this page is about him as a scholar. Ariel is attempting to vandalize the page as a few others did in the past. --CFPR2021 (talk) 16:54, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Neutrality cuts both ways. You can't 86 a claim that has reliable sourcing (the CBC) to back it up. And unlike the source that was pushed in the past, this CBC source is explicit that it was due to the investigation, where the prior source merely implied it - something I explained to Ariel last time, so good on them for taking the criticism to heart. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

This page should either be deleted or protected even further. CFPR2021 (talk) 16:56, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

There is no over stating. It is mentioned in one sentence. It is history, and whether it happened ffour years ago or last week has no relevance over the matter. The fact is that Sylvain Charlebois quit his position as dean, partly because of an investigation against him for bullying (Charlebois admits himself that the investigation played a role in the resignation). There are seven national media sources mentioning the story, and the page count on this story is the largest from all sources about Charlebois in google news. So it is perhaps the largest news story about him (by google news page count metrics).

Why is a one-clause mention an overstatement? No one is accussing charlebois of being guilty, nor there is mention of wrong-doing rom his part.

Going to such length at erasing this event is quite suspicious, though. Especially since CFPR2021 belongs to the same institution as Charlebois belongs. It does show that there are private interests in erasing this story about an scandal involving him. Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 18:55, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not about celebrating people; it is about providing a reliable bio. Fact of the matter is that this is Charlebois' most read news piece on google news (by hit count).

I am not here to celebrate nor demonize Charlebois. I know nothing about him, not I am aware about his off-wiki fights. I am, however, against arbitrary attempts to control information about him—be it positive or negative. There is a clear attempt to erase a big controversial story about him, on the basis that it is irrelevant information. Let the reader decide whether his story is relevant or not.

There is information control and censuring to advance a living person's cause, and I am against this. Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 19:42, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Nosfer, I'm going to tell you the same thing I just told CFPR - do NOT play at guessing at anything involving a user's real life identity. We take it seriously enough to the point that even incorrect guesses are met with indefinite blocks. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 21:14, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

NOSFER ariel65 is in brochure of the living person policy. Should be removed.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Uuughhhh (talk • contribs) 19:18, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Keep this up, and you'll be the one facing sanctions. Nosfer's edits have been by-the-book. Even when I did revert him it was mainly over WP:COATRACK concerns, not for want of sourcing. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

With respect to the recent edits

Here's my take on everything thus far, coloured through the lens of WP:Biographies of living persons and WP:Neutral point of view:

• The investigation should be in the article - but it should only be a one-sentence mention, be sourced, and it cannot be in the lede section. This edit was not acceptable.
• The biographical claims which are sourced almost entirely to his writings need to be removed unless no reasonable person could feasibly contest them.
• The neologism-related claims need to stay out unless there's evidence people other than him are using them.
• Timeframe for any given claims is irrelevant. Saying something was "4 years ago" completely misses the point of an encyclopaedia article. All that matters is that it is (1) sourced and (2) given appropriate weight.
• Editorialising in edits should be avoided, full fucking stop. This edit is a good example, as it blatantly assumes the position that Charlebois' assertions are correct.

I would rather not have to start handing out discretionary sanctions warnings or open an Arbitration case because the factions here refuse to talk and listen. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 23:53, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Thank you jéské and I apologize for any wrongdoing in any of my edits or in the talk page. I’m learning about how to edit biographies and want to make sure that this page (like any other biography) is accurately represented.

I agree to abide over the rules you have set, and will make edits in accordance to them (not only here but extrapolating these rules to any other page). Likewise, I will watch out for any edit violating the rules set above.

I appreciate your mediation and mentoring on this case. Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 01:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

You're welcome. And since I posted this, CFPR2021's been blocked as a sockpuppet, apparently based on technical evidence, of User:Janvez, who's the main "pro-Charlebois" sockmaster. Bear in mind that this is not a licence to bias the article in any way. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:46, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi. Another sockpuppet use by Janvez, that's hilarious. Always the same argument: "other people want to harm his reputation and they're paid by his opponents among agricultural producers". Janvez never admits that they're here to "enhance" Charlebois's reputation in every possible way and, of course, they never admit they use multiple accounts. - Bédévore ^{[knock knock]} 19:58, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

In my defence, I'm not as familiar with Janvez as I am with other sockmasters, since I generally don't edit in this topic area. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 20:05, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

An editor, swearing using the F-word. Classy. Just classy. Nosfer ariel65 knows Charlebois personally and doesn't like him, but uses Wikipedia as a forum for revenge. Trashing people just because you disagree with him is not ok. Mona merry Blue (talk) 11:48, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I just made two changes to clean some self-promotional content, abiding entirely by the rules set above. Jéské, I am doing my best to be unbiased and go by the book. I know it’s been a touchy topic lately, and I was in the midst of the debate. But i still see a lot of content violating your rules above, and I’m doing my best to clean it while being fair to Charlebois’ studies Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 01:23, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I wouldn't characterise it as "my" rules so much as it is my summary of Wikipedia policy as it applies here. I never intended it to be seen as my attempting to dictate article content and if I came across that way I apologise. Still, keep doing good work; the more we can bring this to a neutral, well-sourced state, the better. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 03:50, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Nosfer ariel65 has a personal vendetta against Charlebois, and you can't even see it. He's made countless changes in the last 5 days, clearly an obsession. Quite pathetic frankly. With your blessing, it appears Wikipedia can easily be morally bought. Shame on you. Mona merry Blue (talk) 11:36, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

What is your connexion to CFPR2021? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:52, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

How many of the lates edits are damaging Charlebois’ name?

The elimination of repeated sentences? The fact that I changed “100 published articles” to “multiple articles” based on evidence from google scholar and his own CV? Or was it the reorganization of his studies based on chronological order?

None of the multiple edits I made over the past few days, (after jenske sanction a suspected sock puppet) included a bad word about Charlebois. Quite the opposite, I cleaned the page, eliminated repeated passages, corrected grammar issues. I am not obsessed over Charlebois; I am simply ensuring this page is neutral and factual.

If you provide me a tangible example of a bad-faith edit from yesterday’s batch, I will personally revert the edit. I promise. But please give me an actual example.

I am simply cleaning the page from self-promoted references. Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 14:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I've filed a sockpuppet investigation. I don't think this is a disinterested new editor; I'm thinking it's another Janvez sockpuppet and if so they're not going to give you the time of day. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:55, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Instead of throwing personal attacks, Let’s make this constructive, Mona. Please tell me which edit(s) are you concerned about, other than the investigation clause. I am not an admin, but I will be proactive in correcting any of my own edits if you let me know the source of disagreement. Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 14:59, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

For example, Charlebois did indeed coined the term "shelflation". Just do one search on google scholar. He's first author of the first study that comes up: https://www.mdpi.com/2304-8158/11/14/2059. Also, he has over 200 publications, just on google scholar. Look it up. He's top in the world in food traceability, food value chains. Your 48 minimizes his work. Thirdly, the CWB did critic Charlebois' report on the Daily Price Contract, but they ended the program just weeks after Charlebois' publication came out. Source: https://www.producer.com/news/new-cwb-program-replaces-daily-price-contract/ Mona merry Blue (talk) 00:28, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

In fact Mona, I fact-checked every claim and source. for instance, I left the claim that mentioned the food price index bring one of the 50 greatest achievements at Guelph U over the past 50 years.

Indeed, this price index was recognized as one of the greatest achievements, and I left it untouched. Props to Charlebois for that.

I truly think this is his greatest achievement in his career. If I had a personal vendetta against him, this would have been the first passage to be targeted. Instead, a corrected a typo on this passage to improve its readability.

Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

Following my promise, I fact-checked the two claims that Mona provided.

1) the first claim is Charlebois has over 200 academic articles: False. Charlebois’ own CV shows 74 publications. Google scholar does show over 100 publications, but the vast majority are op-Ed and magazine articles which are not peer reviewed. Removing non-peer-reviewed sources, the count falls below 100. Web of science shows 47. Still, we should go by Charlebois’ own CV, who is the one tracking his own academic citations diligently. If Charlebois himself doesn’t count more than 100 peer-reviewed articles on his own CV, why should we make that claim? I hardly see how going from “> 100” to “many” is an attempt to damage Charlebois.

https://cdn.dal.ca/content/dam/dalhousie/pdf/faculty/management/school-of-public-administration/SCharlebois.pdf

2) the second claim is that Charlebois coined the term shelflation: Mona referenced an academic article from 2022 to make the point. In Twitter, the term was first defined in 2021 by Matt Burgress. It was the first reported definition of Shelflation; months before Charlebois’ first tweet defining the word (and also before the referenced article).Though Burgress’ tweet was the first definition of shelflation, forums users used the term in Reddit in 2019 and 2021––far before Charlebois’ article appeared. It is fair to say Charlebois made the term popular. Still, virtually every use of the term shelflation is related to an interview or discussion involving Charlebois, and the term has under 1000 hits in Twitter. Thus, there is no evidence that people are massively using the term shelflation, and most of uses are in reference to Charlebois.

This is my response to Mona’s comments, withholding my promise. Though, I’m sure, it won’t make a dent to change the mind of any of the sockpuppets.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrMattBurgess/status/1437395662140751874 Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 13:08, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

It won't, but putting stuff like this down is still a good idea anyway, as it cuts off any wP:BLP-related shenanigans they try to pull. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 19:39, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 September 2022

Change

Charlebois holds degrees from the Royal Military College of Canada, the Université de Montréal and the Université de Sherbrooke.[2]

In 2011, he co-founded the University of Guelph's Food Institute, now known as the Arrell Food Institute.[3]

To

Charlebois holds degrees from the Royal Military College of Canada, the Université de Montréal and the Université de Sherbrooke.[2]

Charlebois was at the University of Regina and University of Saskatchewan as its Director of the Johnson-Shoyama Graduate School of Public Policy (https://www.perennia.ca/portfolio-items/dr-sylvain-charlebois/?portfolioCats=616%2C617)

In 2011, he co-founded the University of Guelph's Food Institute, now known as the Arrell Food Institute.[3] Mona merry Blue (talk) 11:43, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

I am unwilling to do this while there is an open question as to your connexion to User:CFPR2021 and by extension User:Janvez. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 18:54, 27 September 2022 (UTC)

There is no connection, but do whatever you want to do. Wikipedia is unbelievably bizarre. Mona merry Blue (talk) 00:29, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

And please, don't use the F-word while responding. Makes you look like an amateur. Mona merry Blue (talk) 00:32, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't see any F-word in Jeské Couriano's message. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 00:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

They're referring to #With respect to the recent edits above, is my best guess. That's the only time I've dropped a swear on this page, and it was in reference to an edit made by a proven Janvez sockpuppet. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:42, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, right. I just saw that. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 00:43, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

It was used yesterday. It was written: "Editorialising in edits should be avoided, full fucking stop.", by Jeské Couriano Mona merry Blue (talk) 00:47, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with CFPR2021 on one thing. This page should have been taken down a long time ago. Wikipedia is being weaponized and editors could not care less. Mona merry Blue (talk) 00:49, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

The weaponising cuts both ways. You don't get to enforce a pro-Charlebois page. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I think this page needs to be deleted, taken down, destroyed. How is that "pro-Charlebois"? He's not that famous, he's just an academic. Mona merry Blue (talk) 00:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Where have I heard this argument before? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Editors are accusing some to be "sockpuppets", whatever those are, when they are asking to take down the page. Makes total sense...not. Mona merry Blue (talk) 00:51, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Gee, I wonder why? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 00:53, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

So you agree with yourself? I agree with myself that you should stop socking. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contribs)} 00:54, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Now moot with Mona merry Blue off the board as a Janvez sock. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{a little blue Bori} 02:21, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

We might have to be alert about the possibility that the page is vandalized by pro-Charlebois editors, to make the counterpart look bad. In fact, that was the reason I ended up getting involved in this page with such conviction.

While I don’t have resolute proof, I have strong suspicion that the “ anti-Charlebois vandalism” was a clever strategy from the pro-Charlebois sock puppets to increase the page protection level—immediately after the scandal story had been removed—and make it harder to reinstate the bullying scandal excerpt . In fact, I don’t believe there has ever been anti-Charlebois vandalism at all.

I apologize if I went off boundaries by sharing this theory. But I do want to alert that—given the late failures to enforce a pro-Charlebois page—the next strategy from the sock puppets will be to vandalize the page and make the opposite side look bad.

I will be alert to spot any vandalism against Charlebois, just as I’ll be watching for any pro-Charlebois agenda. It’s likely that the sock puppets won’t accept the status quo Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 05:45, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

I meant to say: The next strategy from the sock puppets *might* be Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 05:46, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

His greatest contribution was likely the Buttergate scandal. He instigated it and the story went viral, around the world. That was a real scandal affecting dairy farmers. They did not like it at all. They have been after Charlebois ever since. Yet, any reference to Buttergate is now all gone on the page. All of it. And Wikipedia thinks both Nosfer ariel65 and Jéské Couriano are neutral. So who are the puppets now? Not a dairy farmer (talk) 10:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Buttergate was mostly attributed to Julie Van Rosendaal; most of the hate social media messages target her—not Charlebois. Charlebois’ tweet related to Buttergate had only 12 replies.

Yet, I don’t see any vandalism against Julie Van Rosendaal Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 13:17, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/buttergate-goes-viral-putting-palm-oil-fat-supplements-in-spotlight-1.5927194?cmp=rss

Most read article about buttergate ^. The focus is on Van Roosendal’s investigation, only one mention of Charlebois, giving his opinion. Virtually every news Ericka focuses on Van Roosendal. Unless, of course, the media also has an agenda against Charlebois Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 13:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

News press* Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 13:35, 28 September 2022 (UTC)

Possibility of an increased protection level

It has been quite a ride over the past few weeks. Though I feel that the page still has a bit of pro-Charlebois sentiment—particularly the studies section, which overemphasizes hand-picked studies—I will avoid touching it further. I believe I have had enough influence on this bio (though with the honest intention of balancing matters).

I would like the admins to entertain the possibility of raising the pages’ protection level. There are two reasons behind this request:

1) the episode we experienced last week has been a recurrent event over the past five years, since Charlebois’ scandal first appeared on the wiki. Going back through the page history, I witnessed multiple editing wars with the intent of censuring the scandal story. It is likely, from the history, that the pro-Charlebois sockpuppets are waiting for things to calm down to launch a new editing spree on the page. This brings me to point 2.

2) At the moment, there are at least two suspected sockpuppets lurking on Charlebois’ related pages, accumulating ten edits to get back on the fight. The suspected sockpuppets are Dairy Collusion and Not a Dairy Farmer.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Dairy_collusion&action=view

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Not_a_dairy_farmer&redlink=1

Their strategy is the same that was adapted by Mona Merry Blue: slowly make edits until the sockpuppets get auto confirmed status, which grants them access to Charlebois’ page.

I hope the admins entertain my request for increased protection level.

Note that increasing the protection level will leave me incapacitated from further edits, so there is no personal editing power gained from this request. Nosfer ariel65 (talk) 17:51, 30 September 2022 (UTC)