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2023 Nablus attack

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WP:NOTNEWS Not important enough to merit an article on its own. Compare with 2023 Nablus incursion (11 deaths). Selfstudier (talk) 18:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Palestine-related deletion discussions. Selfstudier (talk) 18:28, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Delete: Recent event of no visible significant lasting impact. WP:NOTNEWS (If the article survives, there is much scraping to be done, with unsourced material, use of a Twitter video as a source, far too much quoting.) --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:42, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• Keep This event is important enough to merit an article. This event has been reported on by notable major media outlets in at least 13 countries (Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Pakistan, Germany, US, Belgium, Israel, Mexico, Argentina, France, Italy, Uruguay, Guatemala, Singapore and Namibia), including BILD, Spiegel, RTL, ZDF, Al Arabiya, the Times of Israel, Jerusalem Post, Barron's, KAN News, L'Orient, The Straits Times, among others. I have 40 references for this attack and I will add more. This attack has caused a international incident between the Palestinian Authority and the German government, and while it is far from the first attack on a civilian vehicle in the West Bank, it is the first reported attack on a civilian vehicle driven by German tourists/and non-Jewish nationals of European country as far as I am aware. This is very peculiar incident that has received significant attention due to the origin of the victims, as well as the attack itself. (Redacted) I would be happy to discuss this article with any other editor, and listen to their input and take their feedback to heart in order to work to create the best version of this article possible.Yallayallaletsgo (talk) 19:12, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Comment I am not sure if it should be kept or removed. However, I think the article needs some improvement though if it is kept, for example all the references are piled up next to each other at the end of the introduction.

Vamsi20 (talk) 19:48, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I appreciate your comment, and your helpful suggestion that some improvements be made. I would be happy to make improvements to the article, regarding the references being piled up- do you think it would look better if I pile them up further down in the article? Or maybe there some other way to make it look better? Because I agree with you, I honestly don’t like the way the end of the introduction looks either, so I would be interested in whatever you suggest to do to make it look better. Thank you so much for your time and I appreciate your help with this. :)Yallayallaletsgo (talk) 20:01, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Delete - obvious notnews failure, also many of the claims of "attempted lynching" are based on incredibly poor sources like Yoseph Haddad's twitter account and the Israellycool blog. The actual reliable sources say nothing of the sort. nableezy - 20:46, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  I respect your opinion, however I dispute your assertion that this is an obvious notnews failure, because there are approximately 40 references, the bulk of which are major news outlets including BILD, Spiegel, RTL, ZDF, Al Arabiya, the Times of Israel, Jerusalem Post, Barron's, KAN News, L'Orient, The Straits Times, among others. Are these incredibly poor sources? The Israellycool reference is an article containing the English language interview with one of the victims of the attempted lynching, and it mostly just quotes what the victim himself stated in the embedded video, and also quotes the German ambassador. The video shared by Yoseph Haddad (who is a Palestinian Arab), was taken by Palestinian witnesses of the attempted lynching. I have references containing this same video from major news outlets such as BILD (a well respected German news outlet). I can also reference excellent Palestinian sources with the same video and/or that corroborate the information I have posted from other international sources, such as WAFA News Agency and other official Palestinian Authority sources if you would like?Yallayallaletsgo (talk) 21:07, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

  Those list of sources boils down to one source, an AFP story carried in a number of outlets. Its amazing to see somebody give a list of 20 references to the same story and pretend like they have 20 sources. And the funniest thing about is that none of them call it an attempted lynching lol. nableezy - 21:14, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Crime and Events. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 21:49, 20 March 2023 (UTC)
• snowball delete, At a time, when there is hardly a day when a young Palestinian isn't killed, it is absurd to have an article about this incidence. Also, someone apparently has mind-reading capabilities, "knowing" that this was an "attempted lynching". And Israellycool is as far from RS as you can get, Huldra (talk) 23:05, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I understand you are voting to delete this article only because of your POV. It is sad to see you insert your own POV violating WP:POV and make an inflammatory statement which is not factual and not backed up by any references, and it also irrelevant to this article and the discussion surrounding it. I have always greatly respected both you and Nableezy, both for your expertise and professionalism and I am very disappointed by your comment, Hilda. If the issue was something more substantive with the actual article, ok, but the only problem you could find was that Israellycool is one of the more than 30 references listed in the article. It is not listed on the unreliable source list, and the source linked if you care to read it is an article containing the English language interview with one of the victims of the attempted lynching, and it is mostly just quotes what the victim himself stated in the embedded video, and also quotes the German ambassador. There are many articles about this attack from very excellent, reliable, esteemed and knowledgeable Palestinian sources such as WAFA News Agency, Shehaab News, Al-Quds News, Shehada News, and many others if you would like me to add them to the article? I have linked Al Arabiya to this article and I can also link Al Jazeera and Arab News (UAE) if you would like? The only issue you can find with the article (or at least the only that you mentioned) is that I linked to an Israeli blog (1 out of 30 sources) and literally nothing else was mentioned that has anything at all to do with the article.Yallayallaletsgo (talk) 00:58, 21 March 2023 (UTC)