Talk:British Rail 18000

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> It was painted in BR black livery, with a silver stripe around the middle of the body and silver numbers.

This locomotive was at Didcot on one day in the 1950s in a glossy dark green livery. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.142.50.200 (talk) 17:59, August 24, 2007 (UTC)

Locomotive 18000

This was last seen on Monday 21st July being taken,I presume,to J.26 of the M1 by 'Heanor Haulage' to be stored at their depot in Langley Mill,and then taken on susequently for restortion....I know not where! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.107.209.200 (talk) 20:27, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Ownership

Who currently owns 18000? Biscuittin (talk) 14:20, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Found out, it's Pete Waterman. Biscuittin (talk) 18:14, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Order/Build Date makes no sense

The article states that the loco was ordered in 1946, but that the construction was delayed by WWII. Last I heard, WWII ended in 1945, so how was the construction delayed by the war? Needs clarification or correction.Resinguy (talk) 06:09, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

The war caused a general delay to thoughts of innovative new power choices, but there's no real indication that either loco was seriously considered (and certainly not ordered) before the end of the war. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:13, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

Very often, the ordering of a new loco design comes quite late in proceedings. It could be that all sorts of design ideas had been kicked about for years, but no formal order was placed because it was known that no financial authority could be given. Once the situation eased after the war, a case could be made for building a prototype; and with financial authority came permission to order. So, WWII almost certainly delayed the placing of the order, and therefore delayed construction, because construction could not take place without an order.

The late ordering is borne out by the Lot number issued by Swindon, which if placed in context with the five either side shows that once the order had been placed, construction was slightly delayed, but not appreciably so:

Lot	Numbers	Type	Years
367	7008-27	4-6-0 4073 Class	1948-49
368	6991-9, 7900-19	4-6-0 6959 Class	1948-50
369	4160-79	2-6-2T 5101 Class	1948-49
370	9662-72	0-6-0PT 5700 Class	1948
371	7430-9	0-6-0PT 7400 Class	1948
372	18000	A1A-A1A 18000	1950
373	1500-9	0-6-0PT 1500 Class	1949
374	6760-9	0-6-0PT 5700 Class	1948-49
375	7028-37	4-6-0 4073 Class	1950
376	7920-9	4-6-0 6959 Class	1950
377	7820-9	4-6-0 7800 Class	1950

--Redrose64 (talk) 13:37, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

I know of no indication that Swindon was even thinking of these gas turbines before the end of the war - it's in none of my sources on these locos, they're not mentioned in c. 1945 gas turbine books (although other Brown Boveri locos are). In 1940 the Hawksworth Pacific seemed more likely as their next motive power development. Andy Dingley (talk) 14:05, 4 May 2012 (UTC)

18000 in a 1951 film

18000 is shown, in motion, pulling a coach, for a few seconds in a 1951 British Transport film, just after one minute into the film.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QquUikuHf9M&t=70s