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in section 2002 of the timeline talking about the Arab peace deal the final line states "...endorsed by Arafat, but virtually ignoring by Israel" this should be "ignored by Israel" or "virtually ignoring Israel" [[Special:Contributions/185.108.171.62|185.108.171.62]] ([[User talk:185.108.171.62|talk]]) 12:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
in section 2002 of the timeline talking about the Arab peace deal the final line states "...endorsed by Arafat, but virtually ignoring by Israel" this should be "ignored by Israel" or "virtually ignoring Israel" [[Special:Contributions/185.108.171.62|185.108.171.62]] ([[User talk:185.108.171.62|talk]]) 12:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC) |
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== The name in Arabic == |
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''Al-Intifāḍat aṯ-Ṯāniyya'' is incorrect: the ''t'' at the end of the first word is not pronounced, and the second word does not have a double ''yy''. It should be ''Al-Intifāḍa al-Ṯāniya'' (according to the Strict Transliteration at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Arabic, '''ISO 233''') or ''Al-Intifāḍah al-Thāniyah'' (ALA-LC romanization, approved at the same Wikipedia Manual of Style page). [[User:Linguistatlunch|Linguistatlunch]] ([[User talk:Linguistatlunch|talk]]) 18:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC) |
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"Outbreaks of violence began in September 2000, after Ariel Sharon, then the Israeli opposition leader, made a provocative visit to the Temple Mount in Jerusalem;[14][13] The visit itself was peaceful, but, as anticipated, sparked protests and riots that Israeli police put down with rubber bullets and tear gas.[15]"
The word "the" should not be capitalised, or a full stop should be placed after "Jerusalem". I think the sentence could also be re-worded to very briefly explain why violence or protests were anticipated, for the benefit of readers. – MrGnocci (talk) 22:18, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
- Done: Changed to lowercase. If you want the sentence reworded, you'll have to write it out exactly as you want it, and either reopen this edit request or start a new one. Xan747 (talk) 00:05, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
Ambiguous Phrasing
This is one of those moments of "the English language sucks sometimes", but this sentence is misleading/badly phrased: "They switched to live ammunition after the chief of Jerusalem's police force was knocked unconscious by a stone and killed four Palestinian youths."
It makes it sound like the police chief got conked on the head by a rock and as a result started spraying live ammo as he went down. I would recommend rephrasing it as: "After the chief of Jerusalem's police force was knocked unconscious by a stone, they switched to live ammunition and killed four Palestinian youths." 143.59.120.103 (talk) 22:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Well spotted. Dodgy syntax indeed. That's fixed now. Thanks. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:56, 11 October 2023 (UTC)
Sources not correct
The sources used for “graph of reduced bombings” and “suicide bombings” are both non available on servers. These are the Only claims that defend preemptive sanctions on Gaza as effective counter terrorism. Please update 2601:404:D600:B0D0:A90B:2E7F:A406:819 (talk) 11:38, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Infobox picture NPOV
@Dovidroth: Two pictures about Israel in the lede does not satisfy NPOV, especially when you have removed a picture that has been described by many as iconic in the context of the second intifada. Makeandtoss (talk) 08:40, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Not to mention that the bus image illustrates little. There's plenty of choice. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:24, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am with the Faris Odeh picture which has been described by many as iconic. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- True. That is probably the single-most iconic Second Intifada image. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- It's not so iconic to begin with. Stone-throwing, unlike the First Intifada, was not so characteristic of the Second Intifada, which was more focused on shootings and suicide bombings. And the image is already in the proper section anyway, where it belongs. Dovidroth (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Opinion this is not.
"The photo of Faris Odeh, a boy standing alone in front of a tank while he throws a rock at it, has become an iconic image of the second intifada"
Clark, J. E. (2018). 9 Pawns, Martyrs, Fighters, and Innocents. War Experience and Memory in Global Cultures Since 1914. Routledge. And Faris Odeh is not actually mentioned in the section that you have linked, so the image is in no way beholden to that. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:20, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- Opinion this is not.
- It's not so iconic to begin with. Stone-throwing, unlike the First Intifada, was not so characteristic of the Second Intifada, which was more focused on shootings and suicide bombings. And the image is already in the proper section anyway, where it belongs. Dovidroth (talk) 13:39, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- True. That is probably the single-most iconic Second Intifada image. Iskandar323 (talk) 09:35, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- I am with the Faris Odeh picture which has been described by many as iconic. Makeandtoss (talk) 09:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
So the Faris Odeh image has been clearly established as an iconic image reflecting the Palestinian side of the conflict; now what's the single-most iconic image from the Israeli side that might be best used to complement it? Iskandar323 (talk) 14:25, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
- The image is from December 2000 and is in the section dealing with events of November/December 2000. Dovidroth (talk) 14:30, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
I reverted. The idea that the infobox on an event in which 3,000+ Palestinians were killed should only feature images of Israeli casualties and/or Israeli soldiers is absurd. nableezy - 15:03, 7 November 2023 (UTC)
Where is the pictures from the Intifada ?
This was a Palestinian uprising. Yet most of the photos are from an Israeli perspective. It's even worse on Commons. Ezzex (talk) 16:22, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
- If you have other photos that are allowed by Wikipedia's copyright policies, feel free to add them. --OuroborosCobra (talk) 16:26, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
grammar error
in section 2002 of the timeline talking about the Arab peace deal the final line states "...endorsed by Arafat, but virtually ignoring by Israel" this should be "ignored by Israel" or "virtually ignoring Israel" 185.108.171.62 (talk) 12:09, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
The name in Arabic
Al-Intifāḍat aṯ-Ṯāniyya is incorrect: the t at the end of the first word is not pronounced, and the second word does not have a double yy. It should be Al-Intifāḍa al-Ṯāniya (according to the Strict Transliteration at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Arabic, ISO 233) or Al-Intifāḍah al-Thāniyah (ALA-LC romanization, approved at the same Wikipedia Manual of Style page). Linguistatlunch (talk) 18:26, 13 March 2024 (UTC)
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