Talk:2024 Indian general election

Use Indian numeric system instead of US System

Example 30,00,000 instead of 3,000,000 HKChakladar (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

we on are us wikipeida Eldaniay (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

No, this is English Wikipedia, not USA Wikipedia. We usually use regional variants of English when the article is relevant to that region. For instance, an article about British politics will use British English. This article even says, at the top of the talk page, that it uses "Indian English". So, in principle, @HKChakladar is right. The only issue with their suggestion might be readability. No other variant of English uses this sort of numeric system, so it would be more confusing to readers than simple spelling differences like labor/labour. Pecopteris (talk) 19:54, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I know it's Indian English, therefore use the Indian numerical system (Crore, lakhs). Indians learn the number as crore, lakh not million, billion. So they relate and visualise crore lakh easily and billion million become confusing. HKChakladar (talk) 23:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Well, @HKChakladar, I looked at the Manual of Style to see if it gives any guidance on this.

It says here "Sometimes, the variety of English used in an article may suggest the use of a numbering system other than the Western thousands-based system. For example, the Indian numbering system is conventionally used for certain things (especially monetary amounts) in South Asian English. This is discouraged in Wikipedia articles by WP:Manual of Style § Opportunities for commonality."

It also says "An article's variety of English does not uniquely determine its formatting of numbers. Other considerations – such as conventions used in mathematics, science, and engineering – may also apply. In general, choice and order of formats and conversions is a matter of editorial discretion and consensus at the article."

In the "opportunities for commonality" section, it says "Use universally accepted terms rather than those less widely distributed, especially in titles. For example, glasses is preferred to the national varieties spectacles (British English) and eyeglasses (American English); ten million is preferable to one crore (Indian English)."

So, it appears that adopting the Indian numeric system is generally discouraged, but is a matter of editorial discretion and local consensus.

I have to confess my ignorance here: do most folks in India learn the standard numeric system of "millions" and "billions"? If a reader from India reads this article and sees the term "ten million", will they understand what that means with little trouble, or will they be scratching their head, wondering "how many crore is that?" Pecopteris (talk) 18:51, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Manmohan Singh remark presented by Modi is not misinformation.

Ex-PM Manmohan Singh indeed said Muslims Have ‘First Right’. "

We will have to devise Innovative plans to ensure that minorities particularly the Muslim minority are empowered to share equitably in the fruits of development they must they must have the first claim on our resources

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6Bsz97lRsU?si=sDlDlko4tD9QNqRz&t=53— Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.210.37.75 (talk)

Wikipedia doesn't interpret or analyze who said what and what someone meant. We only report what reliable sources say in their own voice. — hako9 (talk) 21:15, 5 June 2024 (UTC)

It should not be under Misinformation then. Because if you, as Wikipedia, do not interpret or analyze what someone meant, then you most certainly have no right to conclude your opinion that it is Misinformation. Maybe put it under Statements made during the election. 77.183.135.185 (talk) 20:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

INC increased seat level to 100

INC got total of 100 seats as of now. 59.182.113.188 (talk) 14:24, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source for that (like a link to a newspaper report saying that).-Harman42 (talk) 17:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)

Actually it is 101, bcz Rakesh Ranjan aka Pappu Yadav joined INC before election and Independent MP Vishal Patil joined after election

source: https://www.daijiworld.com/index.php/news/newsDisplay?newsID=1197693

https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/pune/independent-mp-vishal-patil-meets-rahul-gandhi-extends-support-to-congress-9376555/ Redmyname31 (talk) 13:56, 7 June 2024 (UTC)

"Extending support" by Independent does not mean that it can be counted as INC seat, but more likely it can be counted towards INDIA alliance. But, it has to be clarified that this is post-election support. RogerYg (talk) 22:41, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 8 June 2024

Replace 'Sangli independent MP Vishal Patil extended support to the Congress after the election, in effect increasing the Congress tally to 100. with 'Sangli independent MP Vishal Patil extended support to the Congress after the election. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A2024_Indian_general_election&action=edit&wvprov=sticky-headerPappu Yadav, who had filed his nominations as an independent candidate from Purnea had joined the Congress on March, during the election procedure. Thus the Congress tally in Lok Sabha ultimately reached 101. 2409:4060:2D89:3629:0:0:AA09:DF0D (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2024 (UTC)

The Official Election Commision of India website still shows Congress seats as 99. "Extending support to Congress " may not be same as official Congress seat. Post-poll support by Independents may not change official Congress seats, untill it is updated by Election commission. Probably we need to wait. RogerYg (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2024

A request to change the number of current seats for the Indian National Congress as they now have 101 seats in the Lok Sabha. Sintax01913 (talk) 03:12, 9 June 2024 (UTC) Please update the partywise vote share from the following table complied from eci website constitutency wise. Alliance Party Votes % Seats contested Seats +/– NDA Bharatiya Janata Party 23,59,73,935 37.08% 441 240 –63 NDA Telugu Desam Party 1,27,75,270 2.01% 17 16 13 NDA Janata Dal (United) 80,39,663 1.26% 16 12 –4 NDA Shiv Sena 74,01,447 1.16% 15 7 –11 NDA Pattali Makkal Katchi 18,79,689 0.30% 10 0 0 NDA Lok Janshakti Party (Ram Vilas) 28,10,250 0.44% 5 5 5 NDA Nationalist Congress Party 20,59,179 0.32% 5 1 –4 NDA Bharath Dharma Jana Sena 5,05,753 0.08% 4 0 0 NDA Janata Dal (Secular) 21,73,701 0.34% 3 2 1 NDA Tamil Maanila Congress 4,10,401 0.06% 3 0 0 NDA Amma Makkal Munnettra Kazhagam 3,93,415 0.06% 2 0 0 NDA Apna Dal (Soneylal) 8,08,245 0.13% 2 1 –1 NDA Jana Sena Party 14,54,158 0.23% 2 2 2 NDA National People's Party 4,17,930 0.07% 2 0 –1 NDA Rashtriya Lok Dal 8,93,460 0.14% 2 2 2 NDA All Jharkhand Students Union 4,58,677 0.07% 1 1 0 NDA Hindustani Awam Morcha 4,94,960 0.08% 1 1 1 NDA Naga People's Front 2,99,536 0.05% 1 0 –1 NDA Nationalist Democratic Progressive Party 3,50,967 0.06% 1 0 –1 NDA Sikkim Krantikari Morcha 1,64,396 0.03% 1 1 1 NDA United People's Party Liberal 4,88,995 0.08% 1 1 1 NDA Asom Gana Parishad 12,98,707 0.20% 2 1 1 NDA Independents 3,42,882 0.05% 1 0 –1 NDA Rashtriya Lok Morcha 2,53,876 0.04% 1 0 0 NDA Rashtriya Samaj Paksha 4,67,282 0.07% 1 0 0 NDA Suheldev Bharatiya Samaj Party 3,40,188 0.05% 1 0 0

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 18:59, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

The Official Election Commision of India website still shows Congress seats as 99. "Extending support to Congress " may not be same as official Congress seat. Post-poll support by Independents may not change official Congress seats, untill it is updated by Election commission. Probably we need to wait. RogerYg (talk) 02:20, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

Addition of Amit Shah's doctored video in the Misinformation section

A video of Amit Shah, a prominent political leader, surfaced that was later found to be doctored. This incident is significant within the context of electoral misinformation and merits inclusion in this section. Multiple WP:RSPSS have covered the topic during the course of the investigation, and the accused are associated with a political party. Hence it can be treated as one party's campaign against the other, thus highlighting the misinformation is necessary in context of the article. The Delhi court has since sent accused into judicial custody with respect to the misinformation case thus marking a judgement over the issue by a neutral third-party source. Xoocit (talk) 11:02, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Please provide some WP:RS sources for this. Thanks RogerYg (talk) 22:37, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your input in the discussion, here are some of the sources for said issue.

Amit Shah viral video: Delhi Police files FIR over doctored clips on reservation issue | Mint) (livemint.com)

Amit Shah: Share information on disseminator of fake video, will take action - The Hindu

Amit Shah doctored video case: Amit Shah fake video case: Delhi Police arrest Congress member Arun Reddy - The Economic Times (indiatimes.com)

Congress functionary arrested in Amit Shah’s doctored video case | India News - The Indian Express

Amit Shah doctored video case: Six more Congress social media handlers get notice (newindianexpress.com) Xoocit (talk) 23:52, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the WP:RS sources. This has been added to the Misinformation section. RogerYg (talk) 19:57, 11 June 2024 (UTC)

There are 100s of such individual incidents. Is there a reason why this one is more important than anything else? The concern in the note remains unaddressed. MrMkG (talk) 13:36, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

This incident has been covered widely in WP:RS national and international sources including BBC. Such WP:RS coverage including BBC has only reported on 2 or 3 incidents, not on 100 incidents, therefore it is WP:UNDUE does not apply. It has been reported over several weeks, so it is not a one time event, Concern has been addressed by the wide coverage in WP:RS national and international sources including BBC, and the discussion on TALK page. It can be brief, instead of full paragraph, but it needs to be included.

The Misinformation section has included an isolated one-time AAP allegation (against BJP), which is not WP:DUE,

https://www.livemint.com/news/phd-in-running-doctored-video-aap-hits-out-at-bjp-s-amit-malviya-after-fir-over-amit-shahs-fake-video-11714456371770.html

Shah's video incident which has been reported widely, so WP:DUE is being misused to hide this information. We need to be WP:NPOV. Thanks. RogerYg (talk) 19:42, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

This incident is more important than the others because of direct involvement by a party's social media unit. High value individuals including the CM of Telangana have been summoned to join the investigation which makes it more notable incident and isolates itself from the 100s of individual incident which were not done by party-sponsered individuals.

AAP's reply to the FIR filed by Amit Malviya is missing context as the FIR was filed over the original doctored video which is missing from the article. WP:BALANCE and WP:MAJORASPECT should be applied to do away with the WP:FALSEBALANCE as the AAP's statements is a minor view and is not covered by multiple WP:RS in topics which are independent of the subject. Xoocit (talk) 02:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree, major incident like Amit Shah's doctored video has been wrongly deleted from Misinformation section by misusing WP:UNDUE argument without any strong reasons. RogerYg (talk) 04:04, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Party's social media organisations, and even MPs, CMs, Ministers, etc are all involved in the 100s of other incidents, usually with impunity. You have not said anything that makes it more important. AAP's statement is removed too. MrMkG (talk) 04:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Also agree, it's not as if the CM of Telangana was a puny village chief. Borgenland (talk) 04:16, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Here is one by CM of Uttar Pradesh.

https://www.altnews.in/cm-yogi-adityanath-falsely-claim-that-up-first-to-have-cyber-police-station-in-every-dist/

Here is one by CM of Assam.

https://www.altnews.in/fact-check-rahul-gandhi-is-holding-the-indian-constitution-in-image-shared-by-himanta-biswa-sarma/

There is nothing spectacular about this. MrMkG (talk) 04:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

We cannot compare isolated one time reported incidents with Amit Shah's doctored video incident, which has been widely reported multiple times in reliable WP:RS national and international sources such as The Hindu, Indian Express, BBC..

WP:UNDUE cannot be misued to hide a major widely reported incident.

I agree with Xoocit (talk) that Amit Shah incident needs to be included. Please read WP:BALANCE and WP:MAJORASPECT. Please avoid making WP:FALSEBALANCE RogerYg (talk) 04:34, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

They are all widely reported. This is a national election and there are international eyes on a lot of things. One thing can't become "isolated one time" and another thing "super major very important" according to your convenience.

The election was rife with disinformation. https://www.france24.com/en/asia-pacific/20240603-india-awaits-the-result-of-a-general-election-marred-by-disinformation MrMkG (talk) 04:46, 13 June 2024 (UTC)

Lede - Election results

The lede first paragraph needs to include briefly the results, as that is among the most notable aspects of this Wiki page per WP: Firstparagraph.RogerYg (talk) 21:48, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Added summarized results in lede as per WP:Lede and WP:First paragraph. RogerYg (talk) 22:35, 10 June 2024 (UTC)

Voter turnout for Jharkhand and Bihar

Please update overall Voter turnout for Jharkhand and Bihar in the Voter turnout table (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Indian_general_election#Voter_turnout) IndoPakAfgh (talk) 14:45, 12 June 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 14 June 2024

Need to add to election campaign promises by political parties which had an impact on election results. Source: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/lok-sabha-elections-2024-rahul-gandhis-taunt-over-rs-1-lakh-to-women-promise-5610230 Rishabh1724 (talk) 00:45, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

Infobox

The election infobox includes "first party" and "second party" at the top of the images of party leaders. It seems to be an edit to the template on its page but feels outlandish and out of format. Can we change this? Ok123l (talk) 17:29, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

It has appeared as a result of this edit by Jdlrobson. I've asked if they can sorti it out. Cheers, Number 57 22:44, 14 June 2024 (UTC)

This should be fixed now for all skins. Apparently this has been showing for mobile users (more than 50% of our traffic!) like this for many years without anyone noticed 😔.

You may need to purge the page to see the results. Let me know if I missed anything. 🐸 Jdlrobson (talk) 23:07, 14 June 2024 (UTC)