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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 01:44, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Cristian Marchi

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The article was marked in 2013 as requiring better citation, and has not progressed with citations nor with clear information about activity in the field. Nothing exists in native language wiki for the person and would appear to have been deleted on multiple occasions. One should seriously question the notability in a case like this. — billinghurst sDrewth 01:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator‎. (non-admin closure) ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 13:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

P.E.E.

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does not meet any of WP:BAND or WP:SIGCOV. the article has 4 sources: a link to YouTube for an interview, a page of the band and East Bay Express. when you do some research about the band, the only think you get is about urinating Withdrawn .. FuzzyMagma (talk) 16:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep This is where there isn't much sources on the internet due to many emo bands being poorly archived. You're gonna find most of these sources on zines. I found a bunch of reviews online from zines like Maximum Rocknroll and Tape Op. These should be reliable
  1. A review of Now, More Charm and More Tender in Maximum Rocknroll [1]
  2. A review of Now, More Charm and More Tender from AllMusic [2]
  3. Another review of The Roaring Mechanism from Maximum Rocknroll [3]
  4. A extremely short review of a Pee song in a compilation (see V/A-4 Bands, 2x7”) on Punk Planet. [4]
  5. Another review of The Roaring Mechanism from Tape Op [5]
  6. P.E.E. - The Roaring Mechanism listed at #20 on Fecking Bahamas (a digital math-rock magazine) as "100 Great Math Rock Albums You've Never Heard" [6]
  7. Yet again, another Maximum Rocknroll review on Miracle Research Center Staff. [7]
I only put sources of reviews, but these should be at least enough for a page (they are all independent from the band). The band also released their second album on Absolutely Kosher Records, which has its own page. The drummer, Andee Connors, is also debatedly notable. He was a drummer in other bands (J Church (band) and A Minor Forest) and I could find a bunch of sources pertaining to that and his overall music career. I would also say this case of "being no sources online" about an emo band is easily similar to the AfD of Strictly Ballroom (band), which had a decision of "Keep" 49p (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per the reasons @49p mentioned. The band follows Wikipedia's notability guide as they have enough informational sources independent from the group. The page also now has 12 sources (thanks to 49p). OurAfternoonMalady (talk) 04:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Withdraw nom: I see now after the page being updated that I have made a mistake. I hereby withdraw my nom. Not sure what is normal procedure for that but I will leave to more experienced users to advise on this FuzzyMagma (talk) 09:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. Withdrawn by nominator (non-admin closure) Zingarese talk · contribs (please Reply to icon mention me on reply; thanks!) 15:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Chiel Meijering

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Zero sources and nothing in a Before. Maybe notable for 117 bassoon concertos though. (Was BLPPRODed but removed because there were apparently sources though actually there was nothing but the composer's own sites and those not used as sources.) — Iadmc♫talk  14:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

WP:CREATIVE is very clear: This guideline applies to authors, editors, journalists, filmmakers, photographers, artists, architects, and other creative professionals. Composers are other creative professionals. There's no exclusion for good reasons. Furthermore, this argument is also a non-argument in the sense that Meijering passes WP:NMUSIC just as well. This not a this or that but rather it is a this and that situation. There's an any easy pass of NMUSIC just as well. gidonb (talk) 18:31, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Never knew about that alternative spelling. The reviews under that spelling all seem to be about recordings rather than him or his music but that may not matter. If no one objects (I'll withdraw and see if the article can be expanded and better sourced. — Iadmc♫talk  19:24, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No objection. The article is already expanded and better sourced. Ernst Vermeulen is one of the Dutch prime contemporary classical music critics of all times. Nlwiki carries his entry. Please become a bit selective with nominations in the future. Especially with prods. AfD should not be used as a method to force others to reference articles. You can reference these just as well. All Wikipedians should be equal. gidonb (talk) 19:40, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Dclemens1971@Wcquidditch Do you object to my withdrawing? The article has been expanded and sourced and looks to be set for further work. — Iadmc♫talk  20:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
No objection. Dclemens1971 (talk) 20:56, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Withdrawn by nominator — Iadmc♫talk  01:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was redirect‎ to Leon Thomas III. Liz Read! Talk! 03:17, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Rascals (producers)

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Could not find substantial coverage of the duo or recognition of their work, so no apparent notability by our standards. This should probably be redirected to Leon Thomas III since his article mentions the group multiple times and includes all the same credits. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 10:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. There is a consensus to Keep this article and that sources in the article and those that have been brought up are sufficient. Liz Read! Talk! 03:33, 30 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rojda Aykoç

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Her notability cannot be proven by independent and reliable sources. Only IFEX source is good, but it is not adequate for passing GNG. As a result of the research conducted on the person, it was not possible to find independent and reliable sources. Considering there are not enough resources, deletion is appropriate. Kadı Message 20:39, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Keep She is a notable singer, mostly known for musical performances in Kurdish. More than enough sources are available, from reliable news outlets like Rudaw, Evrensel, NTV, Hurriyet, Gazete Duvar
TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 04:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These are promotional content for promote her new album. These sources do not contribute for passing notability criterias. You can read trwiki discussion by translating in order to see the analysis. Best wishes. Kadı Message 09:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Keep as the references in the article and listed in the first AfD at the top left of this listing shows a pass of WP:GNG in my view, including a 25 minute radio programme about her. Also she still has an article on the Kurdish wikipedia, and the deletion on the Turkey wikipedia may have a political context, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 19:05, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV per the sources above and those given in the first AFD. The claims that the sources are promotional are entirely spurious. These are independent mainstream media sources, not all of which are positive (such as the first source given above). The deletion on the Turkish Wikipedia does appear to have been politically motivated and based in a flawed and unethical argument not rooted in Wikipedia’s policies. That is concerning, and hopefully an admin on that wiki will do an AFD review on the Turkish wiki page. That article should be restored.4meter4 (talk) 14:11, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep‎. (non-admin closure) Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:56, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hilco (musician)

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An article about a musician that doesn't meet WP:GNG and WP:NMUSICIAN. I sat down for a while trying to find good sources for the individual but to no avail. There is also a close paraphrasing of copied content from a blog here. To crown it all, the article is a run-of-mill. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 16:30, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Subject passes GNG. In 2019 here or here subject was nominated for being "Best Female Artist of the Year" in the UMP Awards. In 2017 here again, subject was nominated in " Best Afro Pop Category of the Year" in the Nyasa Music Awards. Again, in 2018 here she was nominated for being "Best Female Artist of the Year" in Nyasa Awards. I also found this published in 2018, in Nyasa Times, here too, and more here, here, here, another here, by Nthanda Times, again here by The Nation, which can be used to sustain an article (WP:NEXIST)-- Tumbuka Arch (talk) 17:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I may bear or consider the awards though they seem not to be a major musical award. The sources you cited doesn't meet WP:SIRS; they appear to be quotations of the singer or about a releasee of song, which normally gets handled by a PR. I will wait for more participation though. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 18:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@SafariScribe I don't think you really did a Google search properly because you said subject has no GNG. Now you say the awards mentioned are not the major awards, can you mention any of major award found in this country? Because those are the only major awards, among others. Again, you might wanna consider checking this for sources about the country. If you find sources that are not reliable there, please post them here for the community's input. Claiming that the awards (or something) is not major without researching is a big turn off as a new page reviewer. Again, some sources provided above such as The Nation here are considered reliable as the source (site) is one of the physical newspapers that started in early 1990s, and this is its online version. Tumbuka Arch (talk) 18:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Commenting on what's already out there, I don't see any awards listed in the article whatsoever. The use of tone, formatting, MOS, and writing is very poor and kind of promotional, meaning the article does not state how and why the subject is notable. "She was born on 14 February 1995 in a family of six children in Blantyre." that is really not necessary and the statement is cited to a non-reliable source. "Hilco has been featured by different artists in the country such as Saint on a track "wanga (mine)" and "Usanapite (Don't go) that features the voice of Dan Lufani." She may be featured by Jesus but still not be notable as notability is not inherent. The "See also" section is also unnecessary.
    Now looking at the notability of the subject, I don't see anything claiming that she meets any of the criteria listed at WP:NSINGER and for what it's worth, the article is not convincing that they meet WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. And looking at WP:WikiProject Malawi/Malawian sources, there is no claim that the listed sources are reliable as there is a goal to review the sources. The website may be notable but not its content, for example Sportskeeda, Sputnik and so on at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Frankly, I do not blame the reviewer for seeking consensus here as there's not much in this article. dxneo (talk) 19:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Come to think of it, Tumbuka Arch, you are that guy I pleaded with to make sure their articles are cited to reliable sources before moving them to mainspace on this AfD. We can't keep discussing the same problem over and over and then you later decide to improve the article when it's on AfD. Please refrain from doing this and if there are more of your articles like this one and the aforementioned, please work on them before they get here too. dxneo (talk) 11:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep per recent improvements. dxneo (talk) 11:14, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    @Dxneo, what improvement? Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 00:26, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    SafariScribe, the article was not like that when I first saw it. Honestly, it was a mess, but it is well formatted now. And the subject pass WP:MUSICBIO. Doesn't she? dxneo (talk) 01:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. withdrawn as keep per WP:HEY. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 09:51, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 19:58, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bogo Blay

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An article about a musician that doesn't meet WP:NMUSICIAN. The reality show he won wasn't notable as it would have been redirected there. After accessing the sources, I can say this article's context, and sourcing is not enough for our general notability guidelines. Safari ScribeEdits! Talk! 16:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Doczilla Ohhhhhh, no! 19:55, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The Hip Abduction

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Do not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:NMUSIC. Most sources available appears to be routine coverage. Two previous AfDs however no more recent sourcing appears to be out there. Mdann52 (talk) 11:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't think those are "significant" hence the nomination (and I would argue those sources are routine, but that's open for debate I guess!) Mdann52 (talk) 07:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as well as the feature articles mentioned above they also have an AllMusic staff written bio here although it is on the short side. Haven't done a full search yet. There is also the claim that they had a release chart on a specialist Billboard Regae chart. Atlantic306 (talk) 21:58, 20 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - I've noticed many past users have tried to add this article to Wikipedia several times, and it definitely has enough sources to prove its notability. I've seen articles on the site with far less sources that are significant enough to keep. BeatBro (talk) 00:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The two articles mentioned by Doomsdayer [9][10] show sigcov. Footnote 5 [11], although an interview, has a decently long intro. I'd argue that these meet the GNG. The other two footnotes don't count, as one is a show announcement and the other is way too short. The News Herald source mentions that "The Hip Abduction has embarked on a national tour that began in early March." Since that was 2020, I'm not sure how the tour ended up going, but it should meet item 4 of NBAND: Has received non-trivial coverage in independent reliable sources of [...] a national concert tour in at least one sovereign country. Toadspike [Talk] 18:45, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. Reading Vladimir Anisimoff, it certainly seems like there should be an abundance of sources on this subject. But given that there aren't, I'm closing this as Delete. Should sources be located in the future, this AFD closure can be revisited. Liz Read! Talk! 00:16, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimir Anisimoff

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Appears to be built on no reliable/secondary/independent sources and I'm unable to find any myself. Aza24 (talk) 00:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Humberto Bruni Lamanna

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Non-notable per WP:MUSICBIO, and article is a WP:BLP apparently unsourced since its creation in 2007. The only confirmation I could find in reliable sources that he exists is a passing mention in this paper about his father, and no confirmation of any of the claims made of his performances and inventions. His father es: Blas Bruni Celli seems notable, but on Wikipedia, notability is not inherited. Wikishovel (talk) 19:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 16:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jay Orpin

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I believe this to be a hoax article. It claims that its subject collaborated with a number of highly popular artists across many different genres of music throughout the 2000s. If this were true, one would expect there to be a sizable amount of information about such an accomplished music industry professional. Unfortunately, very little such information can be found. The only sources I could find about this person that weren't user-generated were a website about names that may post-date the Wikipedia article and a citation from a book published in 2013 that definitely does post-date the article, which was created in 2007. Its creator was a sockpuppet of someone who was indefinitely blocked for "insertion of deliberate misinformation". Suspiciously, the page seems to make an effort to conveniently explain away the lack of documentation on Orpin's existence, asserting that Orpin refused to be credited for the tracks he wrote or produced. Although I am confident that this article is a hoax, I listed it at AfD rather than adding a CSD or PROD tag because Orpin is mentioned on a number of other articles as well, making the article's deletion potentially controversial. SwineHerd (talk/contribs) 16:06, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. I was also unable to find any evidence that this is even a real person. I removed mentions of "Jay Orpin" from articles. toweli (talk) 16:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Also, the first two references in the article can't be found online and aren't even mentioned anywhere on the Internet. The third points to a 404 page now, and looking at archived versions of the webpage on the Wayback Machine reveals it to be a collection of articles about someone named Shane Drake. Orpin is not mentioned. SwineHerd (talk/contribs) 19:05, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was no consensus‎. Star Mississippi 02:11, 3 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Carlos Malcolm (composer)

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Two different Carlos Malcolms, the other of whom invented Ska music, make it hard to source this one. Doesn't seem very notable though. — Iadmc♫talk  18:29, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Owen× ☎ 21:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Carlos Figueiras

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Seems non-notable. I didn't PROD as I'm finding some stuff in Spanish. Only fair to allow people to debate this. — Iadmc♫talk  17:53, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:29, 6 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Melody & Harmony

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Not yet notable per WP:BAND, with no significant coverage in reliable secondary sources, just a few album reviews on music blogs. Wikishovel (talk) 05:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Draftify: One look at their Spotify page will show you they have 2 monthly listeners, clearly not WP:N. However, I don't want to be too rash when arguing for delete, and in this case, I think we could draftify the article so it can be improved, and inevitably apply for submission if/when the band becomes more notable. —Mjks28 (talk) 11:05, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. ✗plicit 14:49, 8 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yasmin Lucas

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This article about a Brazilian singer covers the subject's early career as a child / teenage performer but not the later appearance as a contestant on The Voice Brasil, performing by then as Lais Yasmin. Although this article instance is sourced only to primary social media, its basic details are verifiable in this 2018 online article associated with The Voice appearance. However I don't see the evidence needed to meet the WP:MUSICBIO notability criteria. AllyD (talk) 09:30, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. RL0919 (talk) 21:43, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ace-Liam

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The subject of this article is only known for a single event. He isn't notable outside of this event and doesn't deserve a stand-alone article at this time.  Versace1608  Wanna Talk? 20:45, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Versace1608 How can you say his not notable and doesn't deserve a stand-alone article  ?
Notability is a criterion used to determine whether a subject warrants its own article or entry in reference works like Wikipedia. Generally, notability is defined by the subject's significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. It assesses whether the subject has received enough attention and acknowledgment from reputable sources to be considered of interest or importance to a broader audience. ok i just did
  • Significant Coverage: The subject must have received substantial coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent of the subject itself. This means in-depth articles, features, or stories that go beyond trivial mentions.
    • Independent and Reliable Sources: The sources providing coverage should be reputable and independent of the subject. This includes news organizations, academic publications, or other third-party sources that adhere to journalistic or scholarly standards.
    • Sustained Interest: Notability often includes sustained interest over time, not just fleeting or sensational coverage. This shows that the subject has ongoing relevance or impact.
    • Media Coverage: If a child, even as young as one year old, has been featured by several media powerhouses and notable platforms, it indicates significant coverage. This media attention shows that there is a broad interest and that the subject has made a notable impact, even if for a single event.
    • Notable Platforms: The involvement of prominent media outlets suggests that the coverage is not trivial. If respected news sources are discussing the child, it indicates that the subject meets the criteria of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources.
    • Age and Achievement: Expecting a one-year-old to achieve typical milestones such as scoring free kicks is unrealistic and irrelevant to notability criteria. What matters is the level of attention and the significance of the event or context in which the child is known. If the coverage highlights something extraordinary or widely recognized, it justifies notability regardless of age.
    • Precedents: There are precedents where individuals known for a single significant event have stand-alone articles. These cases show that notability can be achieved through a noteworthy impact, even if it is centered around one event. The key is the coverage's depth and the subject's impact, not the breadth of their accomplishments.
the child's notability is supported by the criteria of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources. The media attention from notable platforms demonstrates that the subject has captured public interest and has made a noteworthy impact. The argument against the child's notability due to being known for a single event does not hold when considering the quality and significance of the coverage. Therefore, the child deserves a stand-alone article based on the established criteria for notability.
There have been several media power house notable platforms talking about the same kid or what do you expect from a one-year-old??? to score freekicks? lol sorry if i sounded rude am just trying so hard to see how he fails meet WP:GNG or WP:ARTIST when they clearly stated that he has sold 26 piece of art and even got commisioned by the countries First lady common man
Also there have been other media coverage about him [13][14][15][16][17][18][19][20] Afrowriter (talk) 16:14, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. RL0919 (talk) 21:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mansur Toshmatov

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This is one of many Uzbekistan-related articles created by the now-blocked User:NotRealNameeee1 in violation of WP:MACHINE. I tried to salvage it, but the amount of work this article needs is too great IMO. As with WP:A2 deletions (or the old WP:X2 criterion), no real information is being lost with deletion, as it takes no real effort to put a foreign language article through Google translate, which is what this is. Mach61 18:41, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Complex/Rational 18:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of Zubeen Garg live performances

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While the addition of subsequent live performances since the deleted version keeps this from being a G4, Discographymen essentially created the same article that was deleted. The factors that led to the deletion do not appear to have changed as there's no indication the performances were notable. While I would not be opposed to a redirect (protected, to stop re-creation) I am opposed to a merge as this information isn't encyclopedic in addition to not being notable. Star Mississippi 17:43, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your concern. Give me some time to reconstruct the article with better citations and removing social media links. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. Discographymen (talk) 20:11, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. This reflects opinions outside of AI generated comments which are word salad. Liz Read! Talk! 05:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Luno (band)

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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. Not notable in any way. FromCzech (talk) 05:05, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Delete: After careful consideration of the article on Luno (band), the appropriate action according to Wikipedia's guidelines is deletion. The subject does not meet the notability criteria outlined in the General Notability Guideline (GNG) or the Music Notability Guideline (MUSIC). Despite a detailed history and discography, the band lacks significant coverage in reliable, independent sources to establish its lasting impact or significance in the music industry. The sources cited primarily consist of routine coverage such as local newspapers and self-published content, failing to demonstrate the widespread recognition required for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Therefore, deletion is recommended to maintain Wikipedia's standards of verifiability, neutrality, and notability. This decision aligns with ensuring the integrity and quality of content available to Wikipedia's readership. Yakov-kobi (talk) 15:23, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Numeer

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Article about a musician, not properly sourced as passing WP:NMUSIC. The main notability claim on offer here is that his music exists, which is not automatically enough in and of itself -- but the referencing is entirely to primary sources, such as his music metaverifying itself on streaming platforms or iTunes or Genius, and/or unreliable celebrity gossip blogs like Celebuzz, which are not support for notability.
Nothing stated here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt him from having to be referenced much, much better than this. Bearcat (talk) 13:36, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Star Mississippi 12:44, 4 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

TwoTiime

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO. No discography or chart activity, and no third-party independent coverage. Sources are all primary, consisting of promotional interviews, press releases, and subject's hometown publication (Ottawa Citizen). 💥Casualty • Hop along. • 04:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 22:26, 26 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanasis Kaproulias

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Unsourced BLP with no claim to notability — Iadmc♫talk  17:51, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Further info Note that he goes by Novi_sad so don't confuse with the city in Serbia. Still little under this moniker though. Also note the two sources in the article are either dead or fail verification. I forgot to PROD this article. Sorry about that! Sources do exist for Novi-sad: Sedition Art, again, Bandcamp, Discogs, eBay, lpdr, Horizons Music. But these are really promo sites or sites for selling the music. This is about the only thing that might help with nobility as all other sites for "Thanasis Kaproulias" are bios on IMDb, Discogs, AllMusic or the like. Not enough coverage in truly reliable sources so fails WP:GNG (especially WP:SPIP), WP:SINGER and WP:NBLP. — Iadmc♫talk  04:04, 18 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 00:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Toyen (band)

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Does not meet WP:BAND criteria. The article is also long-time unsourced and has other issues. FromCzech (talk) 07:39, 12 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. I'm choosing to close this discussion as the nominator is a sock and the only participant here after a relisting is very new and has made only 20 edits. Any editor in good standing can refile a new AFD. Liz Read! Talk! 00:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ursula Münzner-Linder

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Delete: Fails NMUSICIAN and reliable sourcing to confirm notability. Tkaras1 (talk) 02:03, 12 June 2024 (UTC) [reply]

Only reliable and accessible sourcing I could find by Google search was this link, which alone does not seem sufficient. Her name is apparently not even spelled correctly! Tkaras1 (talk) 02:06, 12 June 2024 (UTC) WP:SOCKSTRIKE. ✗plicit 14:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz Read! Talk! 00:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rap Rakesh Sethulingam

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Barely meets WP:MUSICBIO, a non-notable music artist. I can't find any notable works or significant coverage about the subject. 𝓡𝔂𝓭𝓮𝔁 17:10, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Liz Read! Talk! 03:11, 2 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rheji Burrell

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I am not sure how this article looked back in 2012 when the first AfD came about, but now the article is confusing because it doesn't seem to know whether it wants to be about Mr. Burrell alone or about him and his brother. At any rate, the article discusses a non-notable production team(?) whose own discography hasn't seen them ever having charted; and the list of albums that they supposedly produced for other artists isn't sourced. It doesn't help that the article reads like the brothers themselves wrote it. Erpert blah, blah, blah... 04:53, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 01:58, 22 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Senya Son

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Russian pianist and composer. Compliance with WP:MUSIC has not been demonstrated. Some of it looks like a hoax. The article was deleted in Russian Wikipedia [36].--Анатолий Росдашин (talk) 13:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. – Joe (talk) 10:09, 1 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Troy Stetina

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I nominated this before but it was closed as no consensus since there were no other participates. Same reasoning as before applies: fails WP:MUSICBIO and quite promotional. Can’t find any in-depth sources on the subject. The cited Washington Post article [37] is about the subject’s father, Wayne Stetina. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:43, 8 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Comment Strong Delete. I suggest that, if nobody comes to support it, it should be considered as a prod. Xxanthippe (talk) 03:03, 9 June 2024 (UTC).[reply]
  • Delete. This subject is not notable enough for an article. Qflib (talk) 03:16, 9 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. To be notable through publishing works on how to play guitar, we would need in-depth published reviews of those works, and I don't see them. —David Eppstein (talk) 17:30, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very Weak Keep on a hunch (i.e., easily overruled). Coverage is basically blog and genre-magazine style, which needs a lot to add up to notability, but there is a lot out there (even discounting some that seem more like PR/Press-release interview type). Head of department (conservatories often don't have traditional academic ranks) but of a small department. Each part of his career adds up to slightly less than the relevant notability guideline, but together they peek just over the edge for me. -- Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert (talk) 21:28, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Any non-blog, non-PR sources you would like to share? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:58, 10 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. He is well known in the guitar community and among musicians for his instruction releases. The problem is that this article is poorly sourced so I can see why it attracts a deletion nom. I know that his Left-Handed Guitar: The Complete Method by Stetina, Troy (2001) is quite popular. Yes of course, it takes more than good sales. His Fretboard Mastery was very popular too. He's had articles about him in various guitar mags both paper and online. The Guitarist magazine March 1993 is one. He had article beside Dominic Miller and Tony Zemaitis as you can see. The Guitar Noise website which is a huge go-to source for axmen and axeladies refers to Stetina as an "internationally recognized guitarist and music educator". There's others too but I don't want to get too caught up with this one. Further info below
    * This is from the magazine, Modern Drummer, September 1993 - Page 106 SPEED AND THRASH METAL DRUM METHOD by Troy Stetina and Charlie Busher.
    * And there's an article by Stetina published in Guitar One, Volume 9, No 2 February 2006 - Page 176 RETURN OF THE SHRED Come Together Two Essential Hybrid Scales
    There's more but searching gets flooded with the dozens of releases he has had put out. Karl Twist (talk) 12:58, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Those two books on Amazon have about 200 reviews each. This one is ranked 16,000+ in Music Instruction & Study. By no stretch of the imagination are these "popular" books and they don't contribute to notability.
    • Is this an article he wrote?
    • 1) The Guitar Noise website seems to be just a group blog about how to play the guitar. 2) The link you gave is just him responding to someone else's comment. That "internationally recognized" line is a promotional line he wrote himself (as per his own website).
    • The two articles in Modern Drummer and Guitar one are articles written by Stetina not articles about Stetina. They don't contribute to notability. You would need to find in-depth articles about Stetina.
    Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Well, the Amazon books have more reviews than releases by so-called main-stream artists. They do appear to be quite popular! And I wasn't trying to use them as proof of notability. Just to give an idea of what the guy's exposure is. Somebody in Germany must have heard of him, there's a German Wikipedia article (needs work) See here.
    Forget the Guitar Noise one, that wasn't the one I meant to put in. Sorry. It was another online music news source. I have to try and remember. There was also a reliable source good size review on that I thought I had put in but for the life of me it's vanished. I went back though the page history and it isn't there. Maybe I thought I did. Perhaps it was on notepad, and I closed it before I had edited it in. It was similar to the Fret 12 review but not related to the sale of the product. The Modern Drummer (if it isn't about him) and Guitar One still show his profile. They are well-respected and notable publications. Well, there's no article page for Guitar One yet.

    The articles below are relaible,

    Karl Twist (talk) 11:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry but almost all of those sources are interviews with the subject. Interviews are considered primary sources and they don’t contribute to notability. The only non-interview source in there is the Journal Times article. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hello again Dr. Swag Lord . Well actually the first part of the OnMilwaukee article is not interview. The subject was researched (as it's the normal procedure) before the interview was conducted. And if considered primary, it's not like it's from the subject's own site anyway. Yes, I understand that primary sources and sources related to the subject themselves cannot be used to support content in a page. By that's not what we're looking at. We're looking at the status of the subject and the reliable sources that support the assertion that he is a notable person. The Maximum Ink is similar. Well, the first 196 worlds / 15 sentences (not including the title) are about him and not by him. The interview is secondary. There are two Journal Times articles. Then there's the Modern Drummer article by Matt Pieken about his book-cd combo, Speed and Thrash Metal Drum Method that he did with Charlie Bushor. It's about his work, not written by him.

    Going on what user Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert said earlier with "together they peek just over the edge", well with what I've come up with, the interviews by respected news sources etc., his contributions to major music magazines etc., collectively they well and truly sit on top of the table. And the Modern Drummer review proves it more. And this below, a C&P of what I edited into the article page,

    According to La Scena Musicale, Stetina was booked along with Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, and Jonathan Kreisberg to appear at the Wilson Center Guitar Competition & Festival which ran from August 13 to 15, 2015, at the Sharon Lynne Wilson Center for the Arts. La Scena Musicale, 3 August 2015 - International Guitar Legends Headlining Wilson Center Guitar Competition & Festival: 2015 Artists include Leo Kottke, Antoine Dufour, Ana Vidovic, Jonathan Kreisberg, Troy Stetina

    It's obvious when Stetina is mentioned in the same headline such as these premier artists, he's well and widely known in various fields and notable. His volume of work speaks for itself, especially when artists such as Mark Tremonti, Michael Angelo Batio, Bill Peck, and Eric Friedman appear on Troy Stetina: The Sound and the Story etc. etc.. For him not to be notable would be an exception to the rule.

    Karl Twist (talk) 06:26, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • The Modern Drummer article is a short review of one of Stetina’s books. It has no in-depth content of the subject’s life or activities.
    • Please note, the article in La Scena Musicale is an example of WP:SPONSORED content. At the bottom of the article it states: “LSM Newswire is La Scena's Newswire service. Organizations can post a press release on our website for a fee. See the media kit at our advertising page at https://myscena.org/advertising”. Since that is an ad paid for by the band it is not RS and does not add to notability.
    • You say there’s two Journal Times articles, but you linked to the same one twice.
    • Please take a look at WP:NOTINHERITED. Just because the subject has been associated with notable individuals does not make him notable himself.
    Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:54, 14 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    On a further note, “metalshockfinland.com” and “guitariste-metal.fris” are certainly not RSs (obviously blog sources). Also, Maximum Ink seems WP:QS at best. There’s no published editorial board, no published editorial policies. Additionally, it’s quite suspicious that the article links to the Wikipedia page of Tony Stetina and links to places where you can purchase Stetina’s CD (seems pretty promotional to me). Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 00:59, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, the Modern Drummer review isn't what I would call short. It's an acceptable size. It's not supposed to be about an "in-depth content of the subject’s life or activities". It's a review of his work.
    • Ok if one of them such as La Scena Musicale is an example of WP:SPONSORED content. There's enough of the other! And as I mentioned with Michael Scott Asato Cuthbert saying "but together they peek just over the edge for me", I go further and say there's enough reliable stuff to sit him on top of the table!
    • Sorry my bad about the Journal Times. Yes, it was one article. There was the additional updated page.
    • Well the WP:NOTINHERITED would be the card to pull out if there were no other good supporting info about him. But thankfully there is! The point I made about him being associated with notable individuals was that he is regarded as prominent.
    • “metalshockfinland.com” and “guitariste-metal.fris” are possibly blog type in format. But the first one has been used to reference around fifty+ pages here, (most of them about heavy metal no surprise) and is a respected source of info.
    • Nothing suspicious or promotional about the German page for Troy Stetina. Because he's been so prolific with his published works, the searches get flooded with them and for someone who has German as a first language and English as second, this is how a page would be likely to add up. I'm not going to make any assertions about lazy editing because I'm not going to judge an editor's ability. I'd just go with the language thing.
      Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 09:56, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      Well since the topic of this article is Troy Stetina, the Modern Dummer review fails WP:SIGCOV. There’s no material about Stetina specifically. If you really think metal shock Finland is an RS, then I think I’ll open up a discussion on RSN. Also, I never mentioned the German Wikipedia page—I was referencing the Maximum Ink article that has a link at the bottom directing us to Stetina’s en WP page. Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 16:57, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      I opened a RSN discussion on the above source: Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard#metalshockfinland Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 22:58, 15 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      The Modern Drummer article doesn't fail anything! It's just a good review of a release of his. A review in a well-respected publication. Actually, you said earlier (18:29, 11 June 2024) that it was written by him. It was actually written by Matt Pieken. And actually, I believe that somewhere here someone said that there were no reviews of his work. Well there's the Matt Pieken review in Modern Drummer and another which I have to re-find. Incidentally, Pieken has done reviews for artists such as Jane's Addiction. And OK, minus one Metal Shock by Mohsen Fayyazi if it be so. Well, we still have good enough on him to support the Keep status.

      Yes, I see that you've opened an RSN discussion on Metal Shock. OK, what can I say.

      The fact that Stetina has written for two of the two of the biggest selling guitar mags is additional proof of his status. He was employed by Guitar One and wrote for Guitar World. Just a quick grab of the Ozwinds site where it says, "Go inside the mind of one of the most accomplished guitar instructors in history", you said something previously that this was copied from his website. Well, perhaps one or two others may have done this, or he has copied on to his website what has been said about him. Most to the majority of sites refer to him as something similar, I guess this is because this is what he is!

      To tell the truth I'm not that keen on heavy metal or this type of music. I had heard of Stetina in the past but didn't know that much about him. If I didn't think he was notable I would have just gone for a re-direct or maybe wouldn't have bothered at all.

      Karl Twist (talk) 06:56, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

      I really don’t think where he was employed or what magazines he written for are relevant for notability. Do you have any other sources to share? Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 18:32, 16 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note to closing admin, Even though I believe there's enough on Troy Stetina to warrant a keep, could I ask please that if the consensus eventually leans towards a deletion, you might consider redirecting rather than deleting? There are a number of possibilities. One would be Mark Tremonti who has a historical and ongoing musical association with Stetina. There was already a mention of him there on the page. I have also done a bit more. There's other content that would eventually go in there as per the normal growth of an article. This is regardless of a deletion or not. If in the event of a deletion consideration, that would probably be the best. Perhaps if the Guitar One article was created, that would be another one as Stetina was involved with the magazine for some time as a writer and contributor. Then there could be his brothers Dale and Wayne where a paragraph could be. They're only stubs at the moment. With a re-direct, the history can be preserved which IMO is always a good thing.
    I would like to do more to fix the subject's page as it is a mess. Sadly, my time is limited and I am neglecting other things. Thanks Karl Twist (talk) 07:26, 13 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Source assessment table:
Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Count source toward GNG?
Left-Handed Guitar: The Complete Method by Stetina, Troy No Book authored by Stetina Yes Yes ✘ No
Fretboard Mastery [With CD] by Troy Stetina No Book authored by Stetina Yes Yes ✘ No
Guitar Noise No Stetina is responding to a reader's comment No Appears to be a WP:BLOG No ✘ No
Modern Drummer Issue 166 Yes Yes ~ This is a review of one of Stetina's books. There is no mention/WP:SIGCOV of Stetina at all ~ Partial
Guitar One Magazine February 2006 No Article authored by Stetina Yes No ✘ No
OnMilwaukee Interview No WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject Yes Yes ✘ No
Metalshockfinland No WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject No Seems to be a randomWP:SPS Yes ✘ No
Maximum Ink Interview No WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject ? A non-notable, local music magazine. Can't find editorial polices, editorial board, etc.. The interview also contains a link to Stetina's Wikipedia page at the bottom and links to purchase the subject's CDs. Appears WP:QS and WP:PROMOTIONAL Yes ✘ No
guitariste-metal.fr No WP:PRIMARY-sourced interview with the subject No Appears to be a random WP:SPS Yes ✘ No
Ad in La Seine Musicale No WP:SPONSORED-content by the band No WP:SPONSORED-content by the band Yes ✘ No
The Journal Times Yes Yes Yes ✔ Yes
Billboard Jan 1995 Yes Yes No Single, passing mention of Stetina of a video he hosted ✘ No
www.ultimate-guitar.com ? Likely a press release No As per WP:MUSIC/SOURCES, Ultimate Guitar is only reliable for “articles written by the "UG Team" or any writer with reliable credentials elsewhere.” This particular reference has no bylined author so it likely a press release/WP:UGC. No ✘ No
Musicradar No Interview with one of Stetina's bandmates Yes ~ ✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Dr. Swag Lord (talk) 20:26, 17 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again Dr. Swag Lord, your created document isn't an official guide to follow! Also, it isn't accurate!
  • Actually, the OnMilwaukee Interview that you mention (properly named:"Despite impressive resume, Stetina lacks name recognition at home" By Bobby Tanzilo) is an article-interview combo. The article part is sufficient to support the page.
  • The Maximum Ink Interview (Properly named:"Second Soul
AN INTERVIEW WITH TROY STETINA OF SECOND SOUL" BY MIKE HUBERTY ) is an article and interview combo. The article section is sufficient to support the page

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The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 23:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Jerry Newton

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The article seems to attempt to inherit notability from Wayne Newton, Jerry's younger brother. WP:NOTINHERITED applies. Checking the references is challenging. Jerry does appear, generally with reference to the sibling, and as a passing reference to Jerry. The article seems to be more a tribute (WP:NOTMEMORIAL applies) than anything else. Jerry was obviously notable to those who loved and respected him, but the references do not show a pass of any of WP:BIO, WP:NMUSICIAN, nor WP:NACTOR. Releasing records does not mean notability, nor does a bit part in an episode of Bonanza where he is listed as a cast member, but his part was not a named character. 🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦 12:45, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Deletion rationale should be more specific on which notability guideline the nominator believes this article subject fails. Liz Read! Talk! 20:54, 21 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Dean Webb

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Doesn't meet the notability guideline. Knowledgegatherer23 (Say Hello) 21:01, 31 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Discarding canvassed votes and views not based on P&G, there is rough consensus to delete. Owen× ☎ 13:03, 29 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Salman Muqtadir

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Sources are trivial (included in a list of other youtubers) and non-independent. One significant coverage is about his investigation by the police. No other significant independent secondary source covering his popularity as a content creator. - AlbeitPK (talk) 01:51, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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