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:My assumption when adding this feature was that if one needed to add a comma, it should probably be treated as a proper translation, not a gloss. It turns out I never use this formatting, so I could very plausibly disable it. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 05:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
:My assumption when adding this feature was that if one needed to add a comma, it should probably be treated as a proper translation, not a gloss. It turns out I never use this formatting, so I could very plausibly disable it. [[User:Remsense|<span style="border-radius:2px 0 0 2px;padding:3px;background:#1E816F;color:#fff">'''Remsense'''</span>]][[User talk:Remsense|<span lang="zh" style="border:1px solid #1E816F;border-radius:0 2px 2px 0;padding:1px 3px;color:#000">诉</span>]] 05:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC) |
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::Ah, that makes sense! I’ll convert it to a translation. Thanks. [[User:Pacificboy|pacificboy]] ([[User talk:Pacificboy|talk]]) 02:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC) |
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Template-protected edit request on 5 February 2024
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This may be politically inclined, but I am highly unsure if Tongyong Pinyin should be our generic zh-Latn
, as the mainland Pinyin wins by a very large margin in users.
I propose the following changes:
--- Module:Lang-zh
+++ Module:Lang-zh
@@ -54,8 +54,8 @@ local ISOlang = {
["c"] = "zh",
["t"] = "zh-Hant",
["s"] = "zh-Hans",
- ["p"] = "zh-Latn-pinyin",
- ["tp"] = "zh-Latn",
+ ["p"] = "zh-Latn",
+ ["tp"] = "zh-Latn-tongyong",
["w"] = "zh-Latn-wadegile",
["j"] = "yue-Latn-jyutping",
["cy"] = "yue-Latn",
Alternatively, if Pinyin is not a suitable generic zh-Latn
, we should still add variant tags for Tongyong Pinyin:
--- Module:Lang-zh
+++ Module:Lang-zh
@@ -55,7 +55,7 @@ local ISOlang = {
["t"] = "zh-Hant",
["s"] = "zh-Hans",
["p"] = "zh-Latn-pinyin",
- ["tp"] = "zh-Latn",
+ ["tp"] = "zh-Latn-tongyong",
["w"] = "zh-Latn-wadegile",
["j"] = "yue-Latn-jyutping",
["cy"] = "yue-Latn",
NasssaNsertalk 11:01, 5 February 2024 (UTC)
- This seems sensible to me – hanyu pinyin is more widely used than tongyong pinyin, and indeed MOS:PINYIN mentions that hanyu pinyin is the default romanization we use. What would the effect of this change be from the reader's perspective? —Mx. Granger (talk · contribs) 15:30, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Like the rest of the language metadata, it adds specificity for screenreaders, as well as other possible presentations of articles. Remsense诉 23:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
- Agree – I double-checked, and IANA added Tongyong as a valid language subtag variant in 2020. Remsense诉 23:20, 10 February 2024 (UTC)
Template-protected edit request on 5 April 2024
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I would like to enable the option "first=poj" analogously to "first=j". The "first=j" option allows Cantonese romanisations to be given before Mandarin romanisations, in articles where Cantonese is more relevant. The proposed "first=poj" option would allow Hokkien romanisation (POJ) to be given first, in articles where Hokkien more relevant, e.g. for Bukit Ho Swee, Hong-Gah Museum, Tamsui District.
I believe this could be achieved by adding the following:
From line 114, after:
local j1 = false -- whether Cantonese Romanisations go first
insert:
local poj1 = false -- whether Hokkien Romanisations go first
From line 121, after:
if (testChar == "j") then j1 = true end
insert:
if (testChar == "poj") then poj1 = true end
(The variable is named "testChar" but it is defined by the regular expression "%a+", which will match not only a single character but also longer strings.)
(On a separate note, there seems to be a superfluous space before "end" on lines 120 and 123.)
From line 137, after:
if (j1) then orderlist[4] = "j" orderlist[5] = "cy" orderlist[6] = "sl" orderlist[7] = "p" orderlist[8] = "tp" orderlist[9] = "w" end
insert:
if (poj1) then orderlist[4] = "poj" orderlist[5] = "p" orderlist[6] = "tp" orderlist[7] = "w" orderlist[8] = "j" orderlist[9] = "cy" orderlist[10] = "sl" end
This puts POJ before the Mandarin and Cantonese romanisations. Freelance Intellectual (talk) 08:49, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Double-quotes around glosses
Is there a reason we use double-quotes rather than single-quotes to show the output of |tr=
? MOS:SIMPLEGLOSS suggests we should prefer singles. — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 17:37, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Because
|l=
is used for literal translations & glosses, and|tr=
is (much more rarely) used for non-literal translations. Remsense诉 17:39, 18 June 2024 (UTC)- Aha, that makes sense. So I have probably been misusing
|tr=
when I should have been using|l=
. Thank you! — OwenBlacker (he/him; Talk) 18:03, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
- Aha, that makes sense. So I have probably been misusing
Commas within literal glosses
What should we do if there needs to be a comma within a literal translation? I noticed this on Yi Jian Mei (song), where the quotes should be placed around the whole comma-separated phrase, not individually around each side of the comma. pacificboy (talk) 03:56, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- My assumption when adding this feature was that if one needed to add a comma, it should probably be treated as a proper translation, not a gloss. It turns out I never use this formatting, so I could very plausibly disable it. Remsense诉 05:49, 11 July 2024 (UTC)
- Ah, that makes sense! I’ll convert it to a translation. Thanks. pacificboy (talk) 02:45, 12 July 2024 (UTC)
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