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Millenium Development Goals

And in 2007 also 7 years after the in 2000 by the United Nations and its member states adopted Millennium Development Goals (MDG):

• 1 - Stop extrame hunger en poverty
• 2 - All boys and girls go to school
• 3 - Men and women have equal rights
• 4 - Childdeath has decreased
• 5 - Less women die during pregnanacy
• 6 - Spreading of diseases like Aids, maleria has stopped
• 7 - More people life in a sustainable environment
• 8 - More honest trade, reduction of debts and more aid

In 2007 it is also halfway the 2000-2015 period to implement these goals worldwide.

Are these all the locations?

There was a Live Earth concert in Romania where Robert Plant had a concert. Blakut

-It was probalbly a "friend of live earth" concert.

The Live Earth event in DC wasn't officially on the National Mall It was at the Smithsonian Museum of the American Indian. which is on the mall. But the event was Not a Park service event ( Runs things on the mall) but a Smithsonian event that spilled over onto the mall

Concept

Early 2007 Al Gore among others came up with the concept of Live Earth. But other organisations and people had adopted earlier likewise idea's/concept to organise worldwide something on July 7th 2007.

Well, I say give credit where credit's due. AH, HA HA HA HA HA! But seriously. In the spirit of NPOV, it seems that mentioning who thought of concepts for other similar events is a bit obscure, and the relevance to this article questionable. Only related events that've had provable influence in the architecture of this event should warrant mention. Also, if you could, please sign your post. Zebraic 06:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

21World Festival

21World Festival (' to one world '): concept originally of 21World, which had already in 2005/2006 the idea to organise a worldwide festival on July 7th, 2007 in 7 stadiums on 7 continents for One World without Poverty and Prosperity problems: 21World Festival.

Trivia

"One should spend 7% of one's money or of one's time on sustainable development and/or international co-operation!"

Live Earth Alert (NL)

Live Earth Alert: in the Netherlands had a unique character because of its length and total concept and in addtion to 'Live Earth'. They presented and broadcasted live a 24hour program Live Earth Alert ca. saturday-morning 08:00-08:00hrs sunday-morning (local time, W.E.T.) including live-streams from all 7 continents and stadiums (in sequential other) on Nederland 3 (='public television station TV Netherlands 3') by BNN, NOS, LLink and 3FM (='public radio station Radio 3FM') < ref > BNN: Live Earth on Nederland 3 (TV) and Radio 3FM Template:Nl, partly in English < /ref >. It has been included worldwide reports from Dutch correspondents stationed in all 7 seven continents and also from the home-location Westerpark in Amsterdam (capital of the Netherlands): (Live Earth Alert) < ref > Live Earth Alert.nl Template:Nl icon, partly in English < /ref >, where as part of the total concept, a parallel concert-program on stage produced by the Dutch run from 12:00-23:00hrs (W.E.T) as well as various side-events. - ( Wereld 22:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC))

I'm confused :-s Should the Westerpark location in Amsterdam to be, or not to be included on this page? It wasn't one of the official locations at first, but it became during the concerts. This article doesn't make things easier; the Westerpark isn't included in the list above on this article's page (in the right), but it is included in the location's section (number 2) in the article itself. What would be the best thing to do? --Robster1983 17:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I removed every mention of it. It seemed the best thing to do, since the official Live Earth page never mentioned it - or the events in Montreal and Portugal, for that matter. If you went there yesterday, you saw links for Australia, China, Japan, Hamburg, London, South Africa, Brazil, DC and New York. Therefore, I think these should be considered Live Earth events, not any of the others. Having the others mentioned is confusing, so I took the liberty of removing those mentions. Cheers. JimboB 19:44, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I think that indeed is the best thing to do. However, perhaps it is an idea to include a section in this article about the concerts not part of Live Earth, but very much inspired by the concept? The only one I knew was the one in Amsterdam, I didn't even know that there were also comparable concerts in Montreal and Portugal (in which city?). Perhaps, if more people agree with me, that someone who knows about these concerts, could create a modest section about it? --Robster1983 21:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

N.B. a few things come together in the topics above:

• originally there was in 2005/2006 the idea for a 21World Festival on 07/07/07 with concerts in 7 stadiums in 7 continents for 'One World without Poverty and Prosperity'. This concept had connenctions with the Netherlands and the stadium in Rotterdam (NL) should have been one of the event-locations.
• as Live Earth came up in 2007 with a likewise concept, but climate as main-theme; the 21World-Festival had been cancelled
• as alternative Live Earth Alert had been the Dutch contribution to the real Live Earth on 07/07/07. Therefore in Amsterdam (NL) a parallel-event had been organised which included almost 24hour-live-broadcastprogram of live-streams from Live Earth-events and reports from 7 continents as well as an almost 12hour-side-event with performances, artists and side-activities. Some parts of this Dutch program have been taken over by the official Live Earth-streams and broadcasted worldwide.

- ( Wereld 23:46, 8 July 2007 (UTC) )

To make it even more complicated a 'Dutch rock-group' called Seven got also a record according to/in the new Guiness Book of Records. On 07/07/07 they have performed 7 times in 7 different locations in 24hrs; on 7 stages they song each time 7 songs.

So Live Earth Alert is a bit of a total-concept / Dutch alternative + contribution / includes Live Earth as well had its own dynamic. Solution can be perhaps: Make a remark/section on the official Live Earth-wikipage about the concept and/or history. Include there a remark + reference on the 'Live Earth Alert'-event as well give a sign like 'see also or see further' to and let it have its own wiki-page (Live Earth Alert) for more information/background.

- ( Wereld 00:12, 9 July 2007 (UTC) )

Nuclear

I saw on tv today that "Blue King Brown" appeared wearing tshirts with large block lettering: "SAY NO TO NUCLEAR POWER" (or something along those lines.) I think that's highly controversial (and upsetting at a venue that claims to be anti global warming... sigh...). Anyone care to follow up?

One of the performers did talk about nuclear energy in a negative light in the middle of their set

Other bands displayed the same message when they performed so it was surely not controversial? Farsouth 13:00, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Because other bands displayed the same know-nothing message, that makes it non-controversial? Post hoc, ergo propter hoc, I suppose that it's too much to ask for 1) a logical argument from a envirofanatic who believes that the carbon footprint from these concerts is not as important as the message they send and 2) an understanding of nuclear power before bashing it as a way out of the perceived "global warming crisis." Get2djnow 05:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

No one cares whether you found it controversial & this is not the place to soapbox. Unless you can find a reliable source which mentions the controversy surrounding the tshirt then there is no call to mention it in the article Nil Einne 07:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Australian foxtel broadcast

What i saw on foxtel was coverage on V and MAX from 11 am and coverage on Fox8 from 6pm. so it's not quite accurate what is there now. But I am not sure how I would rewrite it. Farsouth 12:58, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Nunatak info

The performance can be found at http://www.antarctica.ac.uk/indepth/nunatak/video/index.php .

Website

Is it worth mentioning that the official websites are run by MSN? Whether intentional or not, they're not usable under any non-Internet Explorer browser. Try and see any running orders in Firefox - it doesn't work. Cpc464 14:05, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Works fine here. Farsouth 14:32, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Works for me too, and I'm running Camino on a Mac no less.--RobNS 18:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I had an article on the main page at the begining of the concert. I could not get anything to work with Opera and only limited video for Firefox and less capabilities. A screen would come up telling me to use Internet Explorer.

yes the live streams were IE/MS biased. firefox only had quicktime streams, and not the "fancy" all-in-one deal IE had. I could not access anything from my ubuntu box, had to switch over to XP, This is worth mentioning. --espo111 04:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Live Earth Category

Suggest that a new category be formed linking all the performers and venues. --Hourick 14:39, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

• Maybe good idea for the venues, but it'll def. be deleted as overcat. if performers are added. Lugnuts 19:41, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it might prove relevant if the performers and presenters were put in there as well. Especially now that it's ongoing, it'll be easier to update. --Hourick 00:14, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

See also section

Why has the documentary The Great Global Warming Swindle been included in Live Earth#See also? While it would be relevant in an article on global warming and climate change, I don't see how it pertains to Live Earth. And why have Bon Jovi and The Eagles been included in the See also? Bon Jovi will perform at one gig, but that would mean we would have to include each and every single band and singer. The Eagles aren't mentioned anywhere else in the article. Aecis^Brievenbus 18:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Aecis, why on earth is 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' listed here at all? The site is not meant as a debate forum. It should be listed in the Global Warming Sceptics or some area.--RobNS 18:50, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

cleaned up--Svetovid 20:12, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Criticism section edits and edit conflicts

Statement that Republicans criticized Gore as using event to furter presidential ambitions, is undocumented. But since it is included, Gore's response needs to be as well, which includes his statement that he's involved in a campaign to solve the climate crisis, not a presidential campaign. Also, I can only find instances in which "Gore Aid" is used as a headline, including in the article cited in Wikipedia. Since writers frequently do not write their own headlines, and there is no citation to a place where a person actually referred to Gore Aid, the reference was deleted as it is not accurate. Atsiki 00:19, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I got caught up in an edit conflict and wasn't able to salvage my extensive edits to the presidential and celebrity sections. With so many edits going on and previous comments about cleaning up after the rush, I decided to leave the links here for consideration or come back when things calm down and see if they add anything.

Per the connection between live earth and presidential ambitions: Gore was in the media a lot this past week, and questions about the 2008 race came up a lot (especially since another Tennessean is a potential candidate). Here's the link to the transcript of the Larry King show where Gore says he's "fallen out of love with politics" and found something he likes better (i.e. Live Earth+ projects)

"I'm involved in a different kind of campaign not for myself, not as a candidate, but to change people's minds about the most dangerous crisis we've ever faced and the greatest set of opportunities we've ever confronted to solve this climate crisis," Gore said. "And it feels to me like that's the right thing for me to be doing."

Gore also addresses some of the criticisms--he clearly states the goals, discusses his footprint, commercial flights, and the decision to hold a concert in China.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0707/05/lkl.01.html

Patrick Michaels: Yahoo news links sometimes don't stay up long, and if the source is just a distribution copy of a press release and not a real article (I had not checked it yet), here's the original press release of the quote at the Cato website: http://www.cato.org/new/pressrelease.php?id=103

If the Daily Mail is a reliable source, this article at http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/femail/article.html?in_article_id=466775&in_page_id=1879&ICO=FEMAIL&ICL=TOPART is a better source for Madonna's footprint than the blog, and has a great deal of statistics the paper compiled with the help of experts (I had been checking them out)...the Madonna bit in the article is snarky, but my edit just to get the link in ended up just looking mean. My people will be sending her people flowers and a hybrid Hummer tomorrow, I guess.

Could we also dump some of the overly long quotes (i.e. Geldof) and the block quote styles? The Daily Mail quote of the Muse singer was more succinct...and more coherent. Flowanda 00:23, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

I added the London phase plus the criticism thereat.

--Florentino floro 12:57, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Carbon footprint discussion

It seems to me that there should be more nuanced discussion in the carbon footprint criticism section. Simply stating the amount of carbon released by the event, or by event participants is not a criticism in and of itself. The unstated assumption (which I happen to disagree with) is that an event to raise awareness of climate change must emit low or no carbon (to not be hypocritical). Unfortunately, given the current state of the economy, any event of this magnitude is going to have GHG emissions associated with it, and no climate change activists seriously present "no carbon" as a viable solution in the short term. This section should therefore be deleted, or appended to elucidate the assumptions. If no one takes this on, I'll do it after work today. -- Autumninjersey 17:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Sugar coating the conservative estimates on the environmental impact of the Live Earth Participants is slanting the section contrary to the manner in which it should be presented. There are plenty of adolations within this article, allowing a relatively small section to somewhat balance the discussion seems merited. I know that some liberal progressives will disagree, but that is beside the problem.Mister Fax 23:52, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey I heard the admission fee went to a good cause, so I added it.

I saw it on t.v. Zephead999 03:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

Other Key Players

I added information on what I thought were the other key players in the production of Live Earth (Other than Wall and Gore). Aaron grosky was in charge of all Talent and Programming worldwide, and Lily sobhani was head of all events worldwide (both of these are from the official program credits).

Trivia

None of the items in the Trivia section seem relevant. Are there any arguments for keeping the section? Gdarklighter 07:05, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The fact that it is a trivia section itself requires removal. If the material is of any use it could be moved elsewhere or the section renamed. 130.216.191.182 07:40, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Date in first line

Is there any relevance in the 07/07/07 date in the first line to this event? Seems pretty pointless to have this up just because it was on July 7th, 2007.Smoothy 12:56, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Figures

"The concerts brought together more than 150 of the world's most popular music acts and drew an estimated worldwide audience of 2 billion people, making it one of the largest global events in history."

2 Billion people seems like a heavily overestimated amount of viewers and listeners. This would mean that alomost 1 out of 3 people on earth must have seen it! 194.78.199.56 13:23, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Not even 5 million out of 50 in the UK watched it, so i doubt it. Cm619 17:17, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

It would probably be wise to make the distinction that it was made available to 2 billion people, but not viewed by anywhere near that many. ~ S0CO^{(talk|contribs)} 02:08, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

US BROADCAST

Can someone add a criticism to the article. What I am talking about is during the US BROADCAST on Bravo(BRAVO CHANNEL) I didnt have a clue what act was live or what. I think the US BROADCAST of Live Earth was tape delayed by at least 20 min/per act I think. I think THE following should be added to the article

Criticism-

The US BROADCAST of LIVE EARTH 2007 was not "live" but tape delayed by a few minutes then shown on the television channel BRAVO. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.254.71.26 (talk) 17:43, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

...and a source to back that up is where? (→vishwin60 - review) 17:49, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

When I watched the US feed on Bravo Channel I didnt know if it was live or not.

Source of electricity for the concerts

Where did the electricity come from to power the concerts? From some sort of combustable energy? I think if the source of the electricity wasn't from a "clean" source, then there's a sort of double-standard there. -- 12.116.162.162 18:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Antarctic first being ignored?

I have noticed that the Antarctic section has no mention of the fact that this was the first time ever that a concert was broadcast worldwide from that location. Trivial, but it should be mentioned somehow. It is also overall the first event to utilize all 7 continents as "venues."