Wikipedia:Help desk

Welcome—ask questions about how to use or edit Wikipedia! (Am I in the right place?)

• For other types of questions, use the search box, see the reference desk or Help:Contents. If you have comments about a specific article, use that article's talk page.
• Do not provide your email address or any other contact information. Answers will be provided on this page only.
• If your question is about a Wikipedia article, draft article, or other page on Wikipedia, tell us what it is!
• Check back on this page to see if your question has been answered.
• For real-time help, use our IRC help channel, #wikipedia-en-help.
• New editors may prefer the Teahouse, a help area for beginners (but please don't ask in both places).

Ask a question

November 7

Editing a headline

It was brought to my attention today that the article on me, Gay Hendricks, has a headline that says "Homosexual Hendricks". While my first name is Gay, I'm quite heterosexual and do not want to give hope to your homosexual readership or dash the hopes of your heterosexual ones. Needless to say, this headline also concerns my wife of 26 years. How do I/you fix the headline? Thanks, Gay Hendricks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.123.140.214 (talk) 00:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

A vandal moved it 4 days ago.[1] I have moved it back to Gay Hendricks. PrimeHunter 00:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Duplicating Information Already Available on Another Website

A few days ago I was editing the Wikipedia article on "PFIQ", tuning it up by reference to my collection of that publication.

I have since discovered that there is a webpage by the former proprietor of PFIQ, Jim Ward, at

http://www.bmezine.com/news/jimward/20041024.html

which covers the same ground, but has the great advantage of coming from the horse's mouth, as well as being more precise on certain details.

It seems to me that there is no point putting information on the Wikipedia that can be easily accessed via a link to an external site. However, I cannot find any clear statment one way or the other on this point.

Is there a standing policy on such situations? Should I cut the wikipedia article on PFIQ down so it complements the webpage urled above, or should I leave the redundant information in place.

It seems clear that either way, the addition of an external link is in order.

Note that the information on the existing wikipedia page is original, not copied from the other webpage, even though it is essentially the same.

PS: It's me again. There's another specific case with that presents the same type of problem. I subscribe to the Pacific Bulb Society mailing list; the PBS also operates a wiki devoted to bulbs. Generally speaking, the PBS wiki is exhaustive, so for most Wikipedia articles on cultivated bulbous plants, hardly anything more is needed than a link to the PBS wiki. I guess the issue is that (to my mind at least) the Wikipedia shouldn't waste time & resources duplicating information readily accessible elsewhere, but what's the actual policy (if there is one!)?

 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.216.27.140 (talk) 00:29, 7 November 2007 (UTC) 

Actually, according to WP:RS, Wikipedia consists precisely of (and only of) information that has already been published elsewhere in reliable sources. Wikipedia does not (should not) contain original research. Everything in an encyclopedia should merely summarize and restate what is already available elsewhere. The point of an encyclopedia is to have information available on a wide range of topics in a standard format, not to provide new findings, or information available nowhere else. Thus if a Wikipedia article appears to be a restatement of information you find elsewhere, that's exactly what we want. (I like the standard format of Wikipedia articles; almost every time I look up a topic that is unfamiliar to me, I find the Wikipedia article to be a better introduction than I can easily find from a general search of the Web. Many Web pages that are about some subject tend to pick up mid-conversation, as if the reader already knows what is going on, whereas most Wikipedia articles start off with a coherent lead section that lets the reader grasp the basics of the subject quickly.) For the question about external links, see WP:EL. Also have a look at the Editor's index to Wikipedia which has links to policy and guideline pages covering almost every conceivable issue that comes up in the building of our encyclopedia. On the issue of duplicating everything on a specialized wiki: we probably wouldn't do that, because Wikipedia requires topics to be notable, whereas a specialized wiki would probably tend toward comprehensiveness within its topic area. So, for example, a wiki specializing in music might cover a wider range of musical topics (such as very obscure musicians) than Wikipedia would. --Teratornis 06:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Fair Use Rationale

Can someone explain to me 10c of WP:NFCC#10c. I've uploaded several images with Fair Use Rationales, but each time I get a message about not having 10c. However, after reading it, I am unsure of what I need to actually do. -Zomic13 01:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

NFCC 10c in a nutshell is: "You must write separate fair use rationales for each article the image is used in". For example, if I use an image of the Ford Motor Co. logo in Car and Ford Motor Co., then I would have to write two fair use rationales: one for Car and one for Ford Motor Co. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:47, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

But what is the point if they are basically the same rationale? Also, for this particular image, it is only being used in a single article. -Zomic13 03:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The warnings you are getting are from BetacommandBot, which requires a very specific set of conditions in the fair-use rationale - basically, it has to appear in a section that includes a link to the article it's used in (this is, roughly speaking, so that you don't write the rationale for Car only to have the image removed from Car and added to Ford Motor Co., where the rationale may be different). I think making the section header read "Fair Use in (link to article title)" will get BCB off your back, or, failing that, make the first line read "It is claimed that this image is fair use in (link to article title) because:". Confusing Manifestation 06:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia policy advice

Do we have a policy regarding external links to sources of media of dubious copyright status? For example, in an article on a TV show which is not available to buy on DVD, can editors provide a link to a bit torrent containing an illegal copy? Astronaut 03:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Quoting from WP:EL: "Sites that violate the copyrights of others per contributors' rights and obligations should not be linked. Linking to websites that display copyrighted works is acceptable as long as the website has licensed the work. Knowingly directing others to a site that violates copyright may be considered contributory infringement."--Fuhghettaboutit 03:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I thought that would be the case. So I would be in the right by removing just such a link that someone has added :-) Astronaut 03:14, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

help please

hello, I was in the process of making an article about a minor league baseball player. What happened was when i was going to save it, it was deleted for "not having importance". Number 7 of why articles would deleted. I had no problems last time making an article about a minor league player. Thank you to whom ever responds —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cruzin93 (talk • contribs) 03:17, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

The administrator who deleted it was User:Tijuana Brass. Go to User talk:Tijuana Brass and explain why you think the player meets Wikipedia:Notability (people). The problem is, you didn't include any sources to establish notability, and minor leaguers are usually not fully professional; they tend to have another job to support themselves financially. But you can try and find sources to back up your belief that he is notable. Leebo ^T/C 03:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

reflist? How to add a reference.

24.5.197.240 04:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Check out Help:Footnotes. Hope this helps! GlassCobra 05:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

To explain what that page says better, you can add <ref> and </ref> html tags. Between these tags, whatever you place will be put at the bottom when you click on the number in brackets. To create the list at the bottom, you can use the template {{reflist}}. If you want to create a more standardized reference, you can use the citation templates. I (talk) 05:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I found that Help:Footnotes wasn't all that helpful so I wrote up my own short and easy explanation of how to do it. Sbowers3 12:49, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

How to submit first article?

Hi,

I am new to Wikipedia and would like to start writing my first article in my account. Does it mean that my work will mean to be 'submitted' or 'launched' on wikipedia after I click 'Save changes' for my first article? Or do I need to go somewhere else to submit it? Pls help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aedas (talk • contribs) 05:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, you're going to want to check out Wikipedia:Your first article. Hope this helps! GlassCobra 05:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Communicating with other users

How do I communicate with other Wikipedians without using their accounts and leaving a message on their talk pages. I did that once and I got in trouble for it! Nelsondog 7.11.07 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nelsondog (talk • contribs) 08:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi! The main way to communicate with other users is through their talk pages or on the talk page of a specific article when you wish to discuss it. You shouldn't "get in trouble" for leaving a message on someone's talk page, but make sure you don't put the message on their user page by accident! If you would like to contact a user privately, you can go to their user or talk pages and click the "Email this user" link on the left column. However, this will only work if they have provided an email address to Wikipedia. --Kateshortforbob 11:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

It could seem from the above post and [2] that somebody else used the account of Nelsondog to leave a message for Nelsondog. It is not allowed for two people two share an account, and accounts can be permanently blocked for that. If you are not the "real" Nelsondog then you must either create your own account, or edit without logging in (or log out before editing if you have access to Nelsondog's already logged in computer). You can edit any users talk page, except a few which are protected. PrimeHunter 14:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Belkin fax machine

what are the facts about belin's portable fax machine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.187.229.231 (talk) 10:26, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

This page is for questions related to Wikipedia. You may wish to try the Reference desk, which specialises in factual questions in future - make sure you provide details on what you are looking for. Wikipedia has an article on Belkin; although it is short, there are links to the company's website, which may provide the information you are looking for. --Kateshortforbob 11:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Lübeck Airport

I note that since my recent communication, the entry in respect of the above has been changed. However, it is still unsatisfactory insofar as the word "misleading" in relation to the use of the name "Hamburg". By comparison to Frankfurt Hahn which wiki state as 120km from Frankfurt, Lübeck is only 54km from Hamburg; one could therefore expect the article to be more positive about this aspect. I would also point out that London Stansted Airport is over 60km from Central London by road but there is no criticism of that distance in the relevant wiki entry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tmwilson (talk • contribs) 10:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

What is your question?--SJP wishes you a happy Veterans Day 11:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

When you feel an article needs improvement, please feel free to make those changes. Wikipedia is a wiki, so anyone can edit almost any article by simply following the Edit this page link at the top. Be bold in updating pages but please make your changes with citation to reliable sources that verify the information added or changed. This place is not really suitable for commenting on specific factual changes to the content of one article. If you don't wish to change the information yourself, your best bet is to make specific suggestions on the article's talk page. Don't worry too much about making honest mistakes — they're likely to be found and corrected quickly. If you're not sure how editing works, check out how to edit a page, or use the sandbox to try out your editing skills. New contributors are always welcome.--Fuhghettaboutit 12:51, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• Someone should look up the earlier answer. I seem to remember someone explaining why the article was as it was and it sounded reasonable. - 131.211.161.123 13:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Table

Can someone improve this table User:Red/table - By making the widths of the cells more consistent. I have looked at the help and am unable to sort it out. Г^edʃtǁcɭ 13:22, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I modified the table on your page, so all the columns are the same width. You can change the 20% to another number if you want one to be wider or whatever; just be sure that they add to 100. Neier 13:32, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Г^edʃtǁcɭ 13:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

hate speech

Recently, a post to Talk:Media Bias in the United States was removed on the grounds that it was "hate speech", which it was. On the other hand, while such a post clearly should have been removed from an article, I am less certain about removing it from a talk page. What is the Wikipedia policy about hate speech (in this case, an accusation that Jews control US media)? Rick Norwood 13:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a controversial topic; some editors consider it unacceptable. --Orange Mike 13:58, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I am not sure I understand your answer. Some editors consider hate on talk pages unacceptable or some editors consider removing hate from talk pages unacceptable? Rick Norwood 14:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

That's why I gave you the wikilink to further discussion. Briefly: some editors consider the deletion of such material from talk pages unacceptable, as verging on censorship. --Orange Mike 14:41, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Cite error 3

When I tried to introduce a reference I received a red "cite error 3" message. Where can I find out what this means? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rhansler (talk • contribs) 14:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/References#Troubleshooting. If you still have problems then post the text here, or save the problem edit and post a link here, and somebody will fix it or say how to do it. PrimeHunter 14:31, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Article

How do I start a topic in Wikipedia?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by CIA-ROCKZ (talk • contribs) 14:38, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. -- kainaw™ 14:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Putting a new article into a category?

How do you put a new article into a category so that when viewing a list of those category's articles it is in the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bioevil087 (talk • contribs) 15:08, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

At the bottom of the article, add the line [[Category:The name of the category you want to add the article to]]. -- kainaw™ 15:12, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Tom Joyner vs. Tom Joyner

I added some information about Tom Joyner (a white man who happens to work in radio) to the WCMC-FM article. But I included a link in case anyone wants to write his article. I don't have the courage to attempt a biography because of all the requirements. And I have very little information on him. Every time I try to do a search, nearly everything that comes up is about the black morning host.

I can't even find another name such as Thomas Aquinas Joyner or Tommy Lee Joyner. So I don't know how to identify him in a red link someone can use for writing an article. Right now there is a blue link to the morning host simply because I don't know what else to do. Vchimpanzee 16:36, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

If the Tom Joyner you wrote about isn't notable, you don't need to link to him. You seem to be indicating a feeling that he's not notable. If he is, then you can make a red link by making it a piped link to some kind of disambiguation (Tom Joyner (WCMC-FM host) or something like that). Leebo ^T/C 16:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I think in Raleigh, N. C., the white Tom Joyner would be considered notable. I could call him Tom Joyner (WPTF host). Thanks.Vchimpanzee 17:06, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

"Local notability" is not really a determining factor. I've appeared in local newspapers, but I wouldn't be able to pass that off as notability through multiple sources. You need multiple non-trivial reliable sources. If such sources can be produced, an article could probably be sustained. But it sounds like there isn't much to say outside of what you've added to the article, so there isn't a real problem. Leebo ^T/C 17:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

If you appeared in multiple local newspapers you could claim "multiple independant reliable sources". The content of those articles would determine if the mention it is actually non-trivial. - Mgm|^(talk) 19:19, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding Album Covers

Hi,

I am new to editing Wikipedia. Record labels hire me to handle the online marketing of their projects and I often obtain information that I would like to add to Wikipedia. For instance, I was given the official cover art for the new Wu-Tang Clan album 8 Diagrams yesterday and attempted to upload it to the 8 Diagrams Wikipedia page this morning. I am confused by a few things.

1) I was unsure as to what/where to write the explanation of fair use.

2) I had clicked the "Click Here to upload cover image" link, but I noticed that the image is not linked to the 8 Diagrams Wikipedia page.

The image page is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wu8DiagramsCover.jpg#filelinks

The album page is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_Diagrams

--Scullynj 16:42, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello Scullynj, for the first part of your question you could refer to fair use criteria to see whether your image is acceptable. It would be also worth noting that if the image isn't provided with fair use or an acceptabe form of licensing, or an orphan (not linked to any page) then it can be speedily deleted. (See:Speedy deletion criteria for images). Thanks for coming here for advice. Regards, Rudget _{Contributions} 16:57, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Scullynj's fair use rationale at Image:Wu8DiagramsCover.jpg looks correct, to me. Corvus cornix 17:44, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I added in the rationale for you and added the image into the article. I think it would be good if you noted the source in the summary on the image page. Woodym555 18:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Problem of vandalism

How rife is vandalism on Wikipedia? Is it going up or down? --212.204.150.105 19:05, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Check out Template:Wdefcon. It gives you a brief summary of the amount of vandalism on Wikipedia, and is updated every few hours (as the situation warrants; sometimes the amount of vandalism doesn't change for a while) NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 20:52, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Two questions

Hi. First, I was wondering where I should go to see how I can get involved in fighting vandalism. Second, is there a section that shows me how to customize my userpage. Thanks.--Miss Pussy Galore 19:20, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol explains one of the most common vandalism-fighting techniques; Wikipedia:Cleaning up vandalism explains about vandalfighting in more detail. As for userpage design, see Wikipedia:User page and Wikipedia:WikiProject User Page Help. --ais523 19:24, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks.--Miss Pussy Galore 19:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Bambi Bucket Copyright Issues

Please be advised that A-Flex, a new manufacturer of collapsible firefighting buckets, has made repeated attempts to post information on the Wikipedia page entitled "Bambi Bucket." The name Bambi Bucket is both trademarked and copyrighted and these buckets have been in use for more than 20 years in 80 countries.

Please note that Bambi Bucket is NOT a generic term. It is widely known since it is the leader in firefighting equipment but that does not make it a generic term and, as such, the name cannot be used in this manner.

Despite repeated removals of A-Flex's information and a warning letter that legal action is pending, someone continues to repost this information.

A good solution would be for Wikipedia to change the heading from "Bambi Bucket" to "Collapsible Firefighting Buckets." Then a separate page for each company could be created. Those who are looking for information on the Bambi Bucket can then access that page separately.

Please advise of this action being taken.

Nancy Argyle Technical Communications SEI Industries (Maker of the Bambi Bucket) 1-604-946-3131 Ext. 123 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.119.171.98 (talk) 20:45, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

I see. I think we might have to move the Bambi bucket article to Collapsible firefighting bucket, perhaps with a bit of rewriting. I'm not a lawyer, though, so I'm going to read up on trademarks a bit before I'll commit myself to doing all that. Does that sound reasonable to you? — Ksero ^{t c} 21:04, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

 Done I've moved the article and rewritten it to avoid using trademarks as a noun, as per MOS:TM. Does this seem better to you? — Ksero ^{t c} 21:35, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. Your changes were reverted. I've restored them; if they get reverted again without evidence that we aren't violating trademark, ask for admin intervention. I am not a lawyer, but we have to err on the side of caution. Ms Argyle's claim appears valid, I see no reason to assume otherwise. Regards, Ben Aveling 10:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I find it rather funny. Usually we're trying to prevent people from advertising their products on Wikipedia, and now we've got one that doesn't want their product name on here! -- Kesh 12:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

IANAL but trademark dilutiongenericized trademark explains the issues. It seems like a reasonable request that we should treat seriously and the good work by Ksero and BenAveling seems to have done that. Angus McLellan (Talk) 15:17, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Search Article

My article will only come up in a search if you type in the exact title of it. How do fix this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.108.145.214 (talk) 21:27, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

What is the title of the article? Also note that article titles are case sensitive. - Rjd0060 21:39, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's search software is not very good; and also takes a little while (perhaps a day?) to catch up with changes made to pages. --h2g2bob (talk) 23:34, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Irish Bands - "is" or "are"?

Hi - I know we use "are" for british bands (e.g. Def Leppard are a british rock band) and "is" for USA bands (e.g. Bon Jovi is an american rock band) and whichever is used first for international bands (e.g. INXS is/are an austalian rock band). What is the guideline for irish bands? Are they considered "british" for this purpose? Do different criteria apply for Northern Ireland and Republic of Ireland bands? Exxolon 22:18, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

From WP:ENGVAR:

• An article on a topic that has strong ties to a particular English-speaking nation uses the appropriate variety of English for that nation.
• If an article has evolved using predominantly one variety, the whole article should conform to that variety, unless there are reasons for changing it on the basis of strong national ties to the topic.

As you can see, there isn't really a specific answer, but you should probably use British English here. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 22:28, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

November 8

NO SUBJECT

HOW DO I FIND TOPICS ON SOCIOLOGY FOR A SO-STUDIES FAIR !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I NEED IT 4 A GRADE PLEASSSEEEEE TELL ME WAT 2 DO R WAT 2 SEARCH 4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!>>>>......... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.43.186 (talk) 00:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Whilst Wikipedians do not need do your homework, i am feeling generous. Have a look at Sociology, List of basic sociology topics and List of sociology topics. Just type in sociology in the search bar to your left and click search. This will take you to search results. Oh, please dont use ALL CAPS as it is seen as shouting in typeface. Hope this helps. Woodym555 00:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

can you plase halp me

hi

what is the ratio thank you how to pi —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.236.129.72 (talk) 01:06, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand your question. Can you please clarify? --Hdt83 ^Chat 01:08, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Me either but maybe π will help.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:16, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

HELLO I WANT TO KNOW WHAT I NEEDED WHEN I GO TO INDONESIA FOR HOLIDAY I LIVE IN PHILIPPINES I KNOW HAVE TICKET BUT ACCEPT THE TiCKET DO I NEED VISA TO GO THERE FOR HOLIDAYZ???PLS HELP ME I would like to sta rt my own page on Wikipedia. I do not know how to do this, as I am not a frequent user. I looked around for a button for a bit but could not find one. Can anyone help me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.51.56.197 (talk) 01:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello! I realize Wikipedia might seem confusing at first, (please click on the blue words to read the policy/guide they refer to). Wikipedia is not like other sites you may have come across. First, it is an encyclopedia. What this means, is that it is not MySpace, or FaceBook, or a place to host personal webspace, or a place where editors can make articles about anything they wish. Wikipedia has Core policies, such as neutrality, notability, verifiability, etc. What does all of this mean? Well, it means that any article on Wikipedia must demonstrate notability (meaning it must be note worthy, covered by the media, etc.), and have reliable, third-party sources (such as news media articles, magazine/trade journal articles) written about the subject, and the information given in the article must cite those sources to verify it is true. From those sources, information is summarized, paraphrased, condensed, and worded neutrally to make an encyclopedic entry (information cannot be copied from other sites). See Wikipedia's manual of style, layout guide, your first article, article development, and how to edit for assistance. Once you've done all these things, if you'd still like assistance, you can submit your entry to articles for creation. Cheers! Ariel♥Gold 01:12, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

Famous Puritan Quotes and annotations relating to —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.252.13.79 (talk) 01:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a question and your sentence seems to have been cut off in the middle. In any event, you can take a look at our article: List of Puritans and if you'd like you can check whether Wikiquotes has any quotes by searching some of the names there.--Fuhghettaboutit 01:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Authors

How do I get to know the authors of the various articles posted on Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 205.143.139.36 (talk) 01:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You can click on the history tab on any page. That is a log of every change in the page. The people who made those changes are linked next to each revision. You can talk to then on their talk page, or using the 'email this user' function if you are signed in. I (talk) 01:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome! There are millions of editors who work on this project, and as an open project, there are literally hundreds of thousands of editors who have created articles. All editors are equal, so if you're looking for help with a specific topic, it might be best to take a look through the WikiProjects to see what editors devote their time to which areas. Hope that helps! Ariel♥Gold 01:43, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

People who ask for authors are often interested in citing an article. If that is the case then see Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. PrimeHunter 02:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing ar article

My article "Radial Tonebone" was marked for speedy deletion and was thought to be a blatant advertisment. I wish to edit the articl but I am unsure of how I do this.

GuitaringPaul 02:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC).

Click this, and go to the edit tab of the page, and edit the page. Do not remove the speedy deletion tag though. SmileToday☺(talk to me , My edits) 02:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

"Clincl Fraid

I was shocked to say the least when I received the message "Click Fraud" as I was searching through various realotors in search of a particular housing need. I apologize for evidently clicking on your site too many times! Needless to say, I will not do so in the future. Perhaps there was a warning beforethis "Click Fraud" page appeared. If so, I missed seeing it and would have stopped immediately. If there is not such, I suggest you advise people before we continue too far. I, for one, am not totally compute illiterate, but, I doubt I am the only one that felt a little insulted when this page appeared. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.169.60.154 (talk) 03:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Say wha...? ? Anybody understand what's going on here? --Orange Mike 03:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks like this user might have gotten here from another site, and wound up at Click fraud. Corvus cornix 03:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Please add link from my site.

Please add link from my site to the Reference sections of wikipedia contents wherever applicable.

bcdalai Site: http://bcdalai.blogspot.com/ <address removed for privacy reasons> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.50.170.113 (talk) 03:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Wikipedia doesn't do link swapping, and you would need to prove that your site meets our needs, and, being a blogspot site, it would be pretty hard to prove that. Corvus cornix 03:49, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Governance in wikipedia

I am a professor of management. I am working on a research project on the emergence of govenance in an open community such as wikipedia. what kind of information is available on this?

ram04:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)Rambmisra--Rambmisra 04:11, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I would suggest starting with the Wikipedia:Administration FAQ. --Orange Mike 04:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

To this I would add this page under "Administrators" which gives nearly (if not all) pages related to the various responsibilities, and information regarding administrators, and also this link: Wikipedia:Bureaucrats. Ariel♥Gold 04:27, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Trying to flag for neutrality concerns

I just ran across an article with questionable neutrality. I want to flag it, but can't find info on how to do that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Erinfish (talk • contribs) 04:28, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You're looking for the list of cleanup templates, and specifically, {{pov}}. If it's blatantly advertising, you could mark it for deletion with {{db-ad}}. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

ABOUT HYDROXIDE

OH is a hydroxide group.But why can't we write as HO group —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.65.136.101 (talk) 06:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The Help desk is for questions about Wikipedia itself. It's not clear, but it sounds more like you have a science question, which would be better asked here. -- Kesh 12:15, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You might find the answer in International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry nomenclature. --Teratornis 18:32, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Can't log in

Hi,

I have a user name of Dieselfumes and today when I opened my computer I wasn't logged in. Well its been such a long time since I have had to log in that I forgot my password. When I tried to email for it the system did not recognise my username. What should I do? Should I sign up again? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.158.177 (talk) 09:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The only way to retrieve a lost password is via the email address you gave when you signed up, but you appear not to have given an address. It's probably best to create a new username, stating on your userpage that you used to be User:Dieselfumes but lost your password. You might want to give an email address this time so that you can retrieve your password if you lose it; the email address is kept secret, and the only other thing it does is allow users to use Special:Emailuser to email you without discovering your email (and you can opt out of that in Special:Preferences if you don't want to be contactable by email). --ais523 09:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding media files to a page

I have noticed that some sites have song previews on them. How do I add such a song preview to a page so that readers can listen to them?

Thanks, Bugalugs13 11:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

First, you need to make sure that you're fine as far as the copyright situation on the song preview goes. In most cases, you won't be able to get a song preview under a free-use license (see commons:Commons:Licensing for a description of what licenses are allowed), so you won't be able to upload a song preview. If you do find a freely-licensed preview, convert it into Ogg Vorbis format, and upload it via Wikipedia:Upload; then see Template:Listen for instructions on adding it to an article. Hope that helps! --ais523 11:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this page infected?

Resolved

Trying to add a comment to the following discussion page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Dubbo%2C_New_South_Wales&action=edit

It won't let me save, and gives a message that an illegal hyperlink has been detected. I am able to edit any other page (have just done test edits on a few that I contribute to on a regular basis) , but not this one and wonder what the problem is - can Wikipedia test this for me? I notice that there have been no edits on the discussion page since July this year which seems strange. --MichaelGG 11:42, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't appear that the page is protected, nor does it seem to have been in the past. Kesh has edited it in the last five minutes, so that doesn't seem to be a problem. What was the website you were trying to link to? It could be on the Spam blacklist. --Kateshortforbob 12:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

edit conflict Problem solved. What's happening is that the page included a link to a website that has since been added to Wikipedia's spam blacklist. Normally, that's meant to prevent people from adding a spam URL to a page, but if the URL was added before that address was put on the blacklist, it stays there. The next time someone tries to edit & save the page, it warns you that a blacklisted link is on the page and tells you (at the bottom) what the URL is. You can just go back, delete the link and then save. Take a look at my edit to see what I did. Hope that helps! -- Kesh 12:22, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining Kesh - I didn't know the spam blacklist worked like that. Learn something new every day... -- Kateshortforbob 16:58, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Does Wikipedia earned any awards?

Does Wikipedia earned any awards? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.113.191.5 (talk) 13:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes. You can read about it in the awards section of the Wikipedia article. --Sopoforic 14:04, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Edit/Revise/Modify/Update a Page

I was given permission to re-do the wikipedia page on Herbert H. Clark. How do I go about editing/revising/modifying/updating this page?

Tawana Spellen —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tspellen (talk • contribs) 13:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to the page and click the "Edit" tab at the top of the page. Please note that everyone has permission to re-do the page, not just you. -- kainaw™ 14:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

First of all, you don't need permission from anyone to edit a page--Wikipedia is the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit. Second, you might want to look at Wikipedia:Tutorial for some basic information about how to edit. --Sopoforic 14:02, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

As Sopoforic said, you don't need permission. Who gave you "permission"? If it was the subject of the article, then please make sure you don't violate Wikipedia's conflict of interest guideline. Corvus cornix 18:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Page move to current redirect

While patroling new pages, I came across Fan Dub. Google returned far more hits for "fandub", so that seems the more logical title for it. However, Fandub is a current redirect to voice acting. What's the best idea here? Thanks. Martijn Hoekstra 15:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

This type of move requires a temporary deletion of the desired location (in this case fandub) so that the history of the current location (Fan Dub) isn't lost in the process. You can make such a request at Wikipedia:Requested moves. I would propose it on the talk page first though. Also consider asking at Talk:Voice acting, since it seems there have been several attempts to write about this subject, including an Amateur voice acting article that became a redirect to voice acting. Leebo ^T/C 15:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I just found the deletion log for fandub as I could imagine something of the sort happened, but there wasnt one. Thanks for Amateur voice acting I didn't come across that one yet. Best to make a post on the talk page of Voice acting and Fan Dub both? Martijn Hoekstra 15:41, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

That's probably a good idea, but you could also leave a note for the creator of Fan Dub to go to Talk:Voice acting, since the article is new and likely won't have many people watching it. Leebo ^T/C 15:47, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I'll do it that way then. Martijn Hoekstra 15:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Addition to "Melatonin"

When I try to add a few lines including references I get the message site error 3. Here is what I'm trying to add.Rhansler 16:18, 8 November 2007 (UTC) Rhansler

Since it is principally blue light that suppresses melatonin, wearing glasses that block blue light in the hours before bedtime.

The refname format can only have one word and a set number of characters. Put it in inverted commas like this :<ref name="Kayumov 2005"/> and you get around the problem. e.g. wearing glasses that block blue light in the hours before bedtime.

References

Reliable source?

Is this site a reliable source for the Christi Shake article? I say it isn't since it's a near exact copy of the material here. Another editor feels that it is and is using the supposed real name from that site in the article. Dismas|^(talk) 16:19, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Nope it is a mirror from about this version. It should not be used as a source, you are correct. You might consider listing it at WP:MIRROR. Woodym555 17:59, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you! Dismas|^(talk) 18:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

confirm / authenticate e-mail address

Looking at my Preferences page, I find that my e-mail address is not confirmed. It looks correct, but when I try to confirm, the message appears saying that I have already been sent a confirmation e-mail.

After several tries, I have not yet received such an e-mail.

What should I do next?

kwshafer 16:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

First, check to make sure the email address you supplied in your preferences is spelled correctly. Next, check your email's junk mail folder; it's possible it could get filtered. Leebo ^T/C 16:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

computer fraud

your page told me alot except where to report it to? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.122.133.209 (talk) 16:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You mean, where should you report computer crimes? The reason this isn't explained in the aricle is because Wikipedia cannot give legal advice, and the answer would change drastically depending on where you live. You'll need to contact local authorities. Leebo ^T/C 16:35, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Linking album covers

Thanks to everyone who answered my question yesterday about fair use of album covers. It would be a big help to me if someone could explain how to link an album cover to an article about an album. Believe me I'm trying, but I can't seem to figure it out. Someone has placed the incorrect album cover in the Wu-Tang Clan article that I was asking about yesterday.

This is the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8_Diagrams

This is the correct image that I uploaded yesterday: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Wu8DiagramsCover.jpg

Could someone explain to me how to put the correct album cover in that article? Thanks again!--Scullynj 16:26, 8 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Scullynj (talk • contribs) 16:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

If you click on the edit tab at the top of the 8 Diagrams article, you'll see something that safe {{Infobox Album, then a lot of lines like | something = something. There's one that says "| Cover = 8 Diagrams.gif". To use the image you uploaded, change this to "| Cover = Wu8DiagramsCover.jpg". Hope this helps! Angus McLellan (Talk) 16:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I added the image for you. The user above explained how. You can see what I changed here. ---CWY2190^TC 16:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent! That explained more than you know! Thanks!--Scullynj 16:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Inserting a contents table into an article

How do you insert a contents table into an article? --Batman1963 16:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The software automatically creates the table from the section headings (the ones set off with paired sets of double, triple, etc., equals signs). --Orange Mike 16:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You can force a TOC to appear with the magic word __FORCETOC__ or make one appear somewhere other than above the first section with __TOC__ (can't be used multiple times). Note that the automatic generation of a TOC Orange Mike referred to can be overruled in a user's preferences by unchecking the appropriate box in the Miscellaneous section. If the box is checked, a TOC will automatically appear on articles with more than 3 section headers. Leebo ^T/C 16:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing the beginning of an article?

Lately i've been adding some information about the Nissan Laurel but i cannot edit the top part of the article. Any reason why? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Laurel

Petter... —Preceding unsigned comment added by ChaoS1990 (talk • contribs) 17:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Click on the "edit this page" tab on the very top-center of the page. ---CWY2190^TC 17:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You can also access section editing for the top of the article by copying the URL of any section editing button in an article and when you paste into your computer's browser, change the number at the end to section=0.--Fuhghettaboutit 17:57, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

You might also install User:Ais523/editsection0tab.js, a very helpful wiki user script. Just go to Special:Mypage/monobook.js, hit the "Edit this page" tab and paste the script into the edit box, then save. Bypass your browser cache and it's all done. :) You'll be able to edit the top section of any article without loading the entire lengthy page. All the best, PeaceNT 18:14, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for that! I used to have a similar script that stopped working one day. After that I couldn't find another script that didn't include a lot of instructions that only a javascript genius would understand. Dismas|^(talk) 18:34, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

yikes!

i didnt realize my entertainment question got posted and included a personal enlink and email - ho can those be removed asap??? i still have the question! new to wiki...sorry! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.80.170.2 (talk) 18:38, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

I've blanked the email address, so it's no longer visible to casual readers, but it is still in the edit history. Only an admin can actually delete the edit so no one can see it in the history; I assume one will be along soon to help you out, if not I'll go looking for one in a few minutes. --barneca (talk) 18:45, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Actually, removal of an edit from the history cannot be done by an administrator - it requires a special tool known as "Oversight" which is only used in very specific and extreme circumstances, as removal of edits from the history is technically against the terms of the WP:GFDL. You can go to WP:RFO to request the application of this tool, but be aware your request may not be granted. Since it involves personal information, it probably will, but I'm just warning you. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 18:55, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

)clarify) But an admin could delete the edit so only other admins could see it, right? I'm just assuming this would be good enough for 75.80's purposes, although I'm probably putting words in their mouth. Of course, another editor and I have commented in that section now, probably making things much more complicated for any admin that wants to try to clean up... --barneca (talk) 19:00, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Oversight would be required, because deletion of that 1 revision would require the painstaking restoration of every other revision but the one that needs to be removed. I think blanking is acceptable. Leebo ^T/C 19:51, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Barneca: Admins can delete entire pages, which clears the whole history, but they don't have the ability to selectively delete revisions. We'd have to lose the whole Help Desk and start it over again if an admin did this. Oversight users are able to target specific revisions, but as stated, they then have to restore every subsequent revision that did not contain the offending info, making things very difficult and possibly screwing things up anyway. Once an edit has been removed in that manner, yes, it is only visible to other Oversights (not admins, unless they happen to additionally hold an oversight flag). You might want to check out WP:OVER for more info. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:01, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

True, admins can only delete entire pages, but they can select which revisions they want to restore. Potentially an admin could restore all versions except a single problem edit. This is of course doing it the long way around, Oversight does not require deleting the entire page first, but it is only used in very specific and important cases. Raven4x4x 07:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Raven4x4x, that explains it, and the world makes sense again. I've seen admins delete a single revision restore everything except a single revison before, I just didn't know the mechanism they used to do it. So the problem here is, the history of this page is so long, it would be a significant pain to restore all but one revision. Thanks all, I learned something new today. --barneca (talk) 13:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

NPOV: Pakelika

I added a NPOV tag on the page, but this page is a mess of outrageous claims and unsourced material. The 'artist' (I use that term loosely) appears notable, but this page is incredibly biased. What can be done other then adding a tag that will presumably be ignored by frequent editors of the article? --EndlessDan 19:40, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Remove unsourced claims after a reasonable amount of time - forcing a discussion on the page's discussion page. -- kainaw™ 19:48, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

But it's all unsourced (other then his name). Do I just remove paragraphs? --EndlessDan 19:50, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Since you just added the tag today, I'd give it some time. Start a discussion on the talk page (if you havent already) You've already started a talk page discussion and if that doesn't help, delete the unsourced info (the whole paragraph if necessary). But again, wait a while. - Rjd0060 21:29, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Contradictory problems while creating an account

I tried to create a Wikipedia account, and chose a username for it. It told me that the username was already in use.

I wondered if perhaps I had already created an account with the same username. To find out, I asked it to email me my password. The response was that the username was not in use.

So which is it? Is the username in use or not? How do I find out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.225.135.233 (talk) 23:03, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

We can't do anything unless you provide the username you tried to sign up with. Alternatively, you can go to Special:Logs, click "User creation log" in the drop-down, and type the username in the User: box then click Go to find out for yourself. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 23:25, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Alternatively, search this page for your username. ::Manors:: talk to me 23:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

an image is uploaded - how do i get it displayed on wikipedia?

i have taken the photo. the photo is of my own art work. i give it freely to everyone to do what they want to it/with it.

i thought i had clicked on the correct license template, i have waded through pages of copyright law and still no success. Please help. The faq are equally baffiling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bayswater73art (talk • contribs) 23:39, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

If the photo is entirely yours, you will need to release it under a free license such as GNU, GFDL or Creative Commons. Go to upload file, then click it is from somewhere else. In the license drop down select your chosen license in the own work part. ::Manors:: talk to me 23:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

The image you uploaded has no licence, If it is entirely your own work this licence would be a suitable one:

File:Snapshot of Bayswater Road on a Sunday 2007.JPG

your text here

{{GFDL-self}}

To display the image you uploaded on a page use the following code:

[[Image:Snapshot of Bayswater Road on a Sunday 2007.JPG|thumb|200px|right|your text here]]

This produces the image to the right --->

If you wish to change the image size change the "px" value

If you wish to change the caption alter the "your text here" bit

If you wish to change where the Image is you can replace "right" with left or center.

Г^edʃtǁcɭ 23:54, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

November 9

"Wikipedia" Without the Images

Hello. Is there any website that changes word for word according to Wikipedia and as Wikipedia is edited, just without images? Thanks in advance. --Mayfare 00:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know of one, and I doubt one exists since the mirror sites take their information from the database dumps. If you want to browse wikipedia without images and you use firefox, you can right click an image and select 'block images from upload.wikimedia.org' from the context menu. This will prevent firefox from loading images. If you use some other browser, I cannot help you. --Sopoforic 00:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Line breaks when editing

I encountered unpredictable line breaks when creating a list of external links. Sometimes the links would run together in the same line; other times theey would appear on a new line.

How to control this?

WWriter 01:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

We usually format external links as lists. See Help:List for information on how those work, and be sure you're following the guidelines on Wikipedia:External links. --Sopoforic 01:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Number 1 card player in the world just passed away (Paul Soloway)

Text of copyright violation removed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.253.57.148 (talk) 01:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Please do not post copyrighted material on Wikipedia. The Help Desk is for asking questions anyway - if you would like an article created about this person, you may make a request here or write one in your own words here. Please remember, however, that Wikipedia is not a memorial site and the subject must be notable. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:53, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The subject is notable. I copied the request to WP:AFC and might actually write an article myself but I hope a better writer does it. Sbowers3 22:32, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

How to remove my IP address?

Yikes, I did an edit and did not notice I wasn't signed in. (I thought signing in was global across Wikipedia.) So my IP address is now on the History page for that topic.

If I delete the edit, will the entire record on the History page also be deleted?

WWriter 02:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by WWriter (talk • contribs) 02:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The edit will remain in the history unless deleted by an admin. --Sopoforic 02:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• Admins can only delete entire articles and restore selected revisions. Quite an undertaking if you're talking about a large article history. People with Oversight priviliges can directly delete a revision under certain circumstances. Usually, though this isn't enough reason to remove the edit. Unless you tell us what the edit is, no one will be able to link it to your username and there's no point in keeping your IP secret, because your computer shares it with about every website you visit. - 131.211.161.123 08:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I post a picture to an article?

How do I post a picture to an article? I'd like to post two photos with captions. BruceK IPMS649 03:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC).

Type [[Image:File name.jpg|right|Optional caption.]] to the article – replacing File name.jpg with the actual file name of the image, right with the alignment of the image on the page and Optional caption with the caption, which of course, is optional. See Wikipedia:Picture tutorial for more information. --Silver Edge 03:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

WIKI E'mail

Can anyone say whether or not enabling E'mail on Wiki allows a user to user to maintain their anonymity, other than their pseudonyms (user names)? Jagra 03:04, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If you enter your email and send a message to someone, your email address will be visible to them. If they reply, their address will be visible to you. Some people set up Wikipedia-only accounts for email at free services like yahoo or gmail to maintain anonymity on email, but in general your email may be seen by others. Cheers, --TeaDrinker 08:26, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

SILVER RINGS

silver rings homogenous mixtures, elements, or compounds.. i dont seem able to figure it out please explain to me why would it be any of the choices thank you thank you thank yoouuou!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.71.37.71 (talk) 09:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• It would help if you provided more info on what choices you are talking about. Are you talking about a multiple choice question? If you do, it helps to repeat the exact question. On the reference desk mind you, this page is for questions about Wikipedia. - 131.211.175.100 11:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

audio function of dictionary

When I put my mouse cursor on certain words, a small window of dictionary appears over the word. and with the explanation, small icon of audio appears as well. It looks immensely helpful especially when I bump into a strange foreign word or a name of regiion which is difficult to read or pronounce. However, it doesn't work, there's no sound when it is clicked. Is that one of the function that Wikipedia provides? If not, isn't there a similar function that I can use when I want to know the pronunciation of certain words? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.6.61.110 (talk) 09:34, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If you need a word translated into French, Spanish,German, Russian, Italian, Japanese, Korean or Chinese and are using Firefox This "add-on" could help you. You just need to set the dictionary language, then every time you highlight a word the translation appears below. If you were to install that "add-on" it would be advisable to disable adblocker as it interferes with it. Г^edʃtǁcɭ 10:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Redirect pages with categories

Is it ok for a redirect page to be in a category? For instance, Argumentum ad antiquitatem is in Category:Latin logical phrases, but it's just a redirect to Appeal to tradition. I think this is useful, because it avoids the need to have a list page for these terms, but is it the right way to do things? — PhilHibbs | talk 09:46, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree it's useful. See Wikipedia:Redirect#Categories for redirect pages and Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects. PrimeHunter 16:02, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't received an confiormation email

I signed up for an account on 11/08/2007 I haven't received a confirmation as of yet I Tried to loggin. not able to I ask for my passsword to be emailed. I havent received it either i did sign up using an email account help ? leglessone998 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.129.177.210 (talk) 12:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

• This is usually the result of an overactive spamfilter. What email provider do you use? If you have AOL or hotmail, try putting anything coming from wikipedia.org on your whitelist and trawl through your spam folder to see if anything got filtered out. - Mgm|^(talk) 23:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

288 Closed

I need a letter stating that the 288 freeway was closed on October 13, 2007 around 10 pm because I was late and need an excused letter to justify me being late that day.

Tracy Taylor —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.250.231.202 (talk) 12:39, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I think it is more likely that you will be able to find some agency involved in an official capacity with transportation/maintenance with the route that will have a verifiable public record showing the closure, as opposed to procuring a tailored letter addressed to your boss. You haven't even stated in what country the subject freeway is located so it is not possible to help you with details of this. Please note for future reference that this page is for asking questions about using Wikipedia. Knowledge questions are asked at the reference desk.--Fuhghettaboutit 13:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

The IP address is registered in Texas [3], so this may be about Texas State Highway 288. PrimeHunter 17:08, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Template function

I added <includeonly>[[Category:Expired proposed deletion]]</includeonly> to the {{dated prod}} template. It was in a parser function that displays a red expired message when the 5-day prod time limit is up. The template seems to work correctly, and articles with expired prod tags show the message and include the Category. For example: this article: CEXL. However, when you click on Category:Expired proposed deletion the category is empty. Only once on the day before yesterday did I see it populated with like 20 articles. I can't fathom why that is happening. Help!--Esprit15d(۝ • ۞ • ▲) 13:30, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Additional note: well today I did see it populated with some cats, so I don't know if it's suddenly working now or not?--Esprit15d(۝ • ۞ • ▲) 13:38, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I had the same problem with the changes I made to {{fair use reduced}}, to categorize into CAT:FURD7. Basically, dynamic categorization doesn't work reliably in the current software, but a null edit on the template will fix it (though it's difficult with this one, as it's protected). Also, it may take a couple of hours to fully populate the category. --Pekaje 19:45, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Woah! That null edit thing worked, inexplicably. I'm an admin, so I was able to edit it. Thanks!--Esprit15d(۝ • ۞ • ▲) 01:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Give us your fucking money

Yes, I saw a banner on Wikipedia that said this. I don't care if Wikipedia has articles on sex-related stuff, because children won't see them unless they want to. But they will see this banner even if they don't want to. I'm not going to donate, and I'm going to tell children not to read Wikipedia in case they see this banner. And where do I complain about such banners? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.189.57.203 (talk) 14:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

This banner was on someone's user page, as I recall. Whose page was it (I can't remember)? I thought it was a fairly harmless joke, but understand how some might be offended. Also, this question might receive prompter attention on WP:AN/I.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 14:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You know what, I'll copy this thread to the incident board for you.--The Fat Man Who Never Came Back 14:18, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Image:Giveit.jpg and Image:Giveit.png was a little joke as the author Neil says at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Donation Banner. It is apparently only displayed on User talk:Addhoc, User:Jeffpw, User talk:Jeffpw and User talk:Dynaflow. They are just three of a huge number of Wikipedia editors and they personally chose to add this (see [4] for Addhoc) to their own user or talk pages. User space like this is not a part of the encyclopedia and I hope you don't advice people against Wikipedia based on something in user space. PrimeHunter 14:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh and Wikipedia is not censored. I understand your concerns but it was not intended to cause offence and is only on a very limited number of pages. Woodym555 14:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Aetna Wiki problem

If you go to /wiki/Aetna, you will notice the first paragraph has a link titled "Big Floppy Donkey D***" in it. This should be removed. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.213.209.31 (talk) 14:54, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for reporting it. It was vandalism added earlier today and I have reverted it. You are welcome to revert vandalism on you own. PrimeHunter 15:10, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Get a copy of help pages, please

To whom it may concern:

I would like to get a copy of all the wikipedia help pages to install in our locate version. I don't want to go to each page and copy paste, since I don't know how to complete clean or fix one with tabs. Is there a way to copy all the help pages, so I can install them?

Sincerely, James Freas —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wegues (talk • contribs) 15:44, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I couldn't be sure, but I think there is a reason you can't easily save them. Presumeably because you're not supposeed tso I would recommend just not doing it and creating your own. ::Manors:: talk to me 16:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

"Euler's formula", editing

I'd like to expand a bit on the basic description of Euler's formula in the Preview section.

Here's my proposed addition: "The formula becomes especially elegant when x = π. The formula then becomes Failed to parse (syntax error): {\displaystyle e^{iπ} = \cos(π) + i\sin(π) \!} [The preceding part is a copy and paste]. Since the sine of pi = 0 and the cosine of pi = -1, the result of this substitution is that e (with the exponent i * pi) = -1 + 0. Adding 1 to each side of the equation yields: e [with the exponent i * pi] + 1 = 0, an elegant equation which includes the five most foundational numbers in mathematics."

No matter how I substitute π for x in the formula, I receive error messages. They state "Failed to parse (lexing error): e^{iπ} = \cos(π) + i\sin(π) \!" or refer to lexing errors.

I've tried several variations on this idea, with none being successful. How should I continue?

Billastro 16:37, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Billastro

Write \pi to display π in a math formula. PrimeHunter 16:59, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, it's still not working. \pi appears in the final text as \pi, not the Greek letter. I've tried replicating the source in several different ways, but nothing works. Am I missing something obvious?

Thanks in advance.

Bill —Preceding unsigned comment added by Billastro (talk • contribs) 22:51, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

It works for me. Here is your example with π replaced by \pi inside the <math> tags: $e^{i\pi }=\cos(\pi )+i\sin(\pi )\!$. PrimeHunter 00:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You wrote π correctly outside <math> so I assumed you were referring to what to do inside math tags where \pi works. But \pi just displays as \pi outside math tags. If you want to write π outside math tags without using the special π character then write &pi; PrimeHunter 01:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Citation of Wikipedia Page

How should I cite a wikipedia page? Is the author Wikimedia Foundation Inc.? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.212.81.223 (talk) 17:02, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

In the menu on the left of any article, there is a link for "cite this article," which gives you the citation in several formats. In some styles, the author is "Wikipedia contributors," and in others it does not list an author. You may also want to check out Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia for more information. --TeaDrinker 17:07, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Please keep in mind citing an encyclopedia is unscholarly and the reason WP exists is to direct you to reliable sources with that information that can be cited. Simply citing WP could be fairly viewed as laziness. -Wooty [Woot?] [Spam! Spam! Wonderful spam!] 01:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Suspected advertisements - how do I report?

I suspect that Whothehellru171 may be using Wikipedia to promote the website [5]. His only contributions to the site have been to add somethingpunk.com ratings to a number of albums. His first contribution was yesterday. I tried to search for somethingpunk.com throughout Wikipedia, but it only shows a handful of results, and does not include some pages I know that he has edited and have not been reverted. My intention was to see if other users have put forward this website as a valid site for reviews.

I want to assume good faith, so I don't want to revert any of his changes or call him on this. I merely wish to find a venue to raise the question, where someone more adept at handling this sort of situation might look into it.

Thank you. Harukaze 18:09, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Those are spam links, and I'll remove them. I've also left a note on the users' page. Those were the users only contributions, which is obviously suspicious and something to look for when suspecting spam. Thanks for pointing it out. - Rjd0060 19:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Remove templates??

I get a little confused about something: When is it APPROPRIATE to remove a template (say, one that notes style, grammar, "reads like a magazine article", etc.)issues??

I enjoy style editing, but sometimes, by the time I get to an article that's 8 months old, it's been nicely edited by 5 different people and doesn't (at least in my opinion, anyway) require anymore cleanup. Is it kosher for me to remove some/all of the "cleanup" templates at the top of the page?? Buddpaul 18:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If you have read the article over and feel that the template isn't deserved anymore, be bold and take it off. And you can always leave a note on the talk page stating that you took it off and if someone wants to replace it, to please point out specific reasons why they feel it still belongs. Dismas|^(talk) 19:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

However, you should check the talk page and see if there are any specific comments before deciding to remove the tag. RJFJR 19:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sponsorship

how do you find a sponsor? how do you get to know them and all of that —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.10.166.231 (talk) 19:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to, but I can tell your question has nothing to do with Wikipedia. We're only able to assist with using this site, and cannot offer any advice to you, other than recommend that you seek a professional in your field. Sorry. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

It's conceivable you mean a mentor on Wikipedia. If so, go to Wikipedia:Adopt-a-User, and if something is still unclear after you read that, asking a more specific question at Wikipedia talk:Adopt-a-User might help. --barneca (talk) 22:00, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Proposal: allow longer edit summaries

Hi. In the past few weeks, I've had the problem that edit summaries weren't allowed to be long enough. When I revert, I often have to add an explanation to add to the revert message already there. Could someone consider allowing longer edit summaries? The revert summaries are already quite long, and when I add my own summary, it often gets cut off. In fact, there have been about a dozen times when I added more text to the popups revert summary, only to find that it had been cut off when I don't know at which point in the summary it would be cut off. This is beginning to be a big problem, so I suggest making allowed edit summaries twice the space of the current one. Please, I can't go to the reverted editor's talkpage every single time to explain the reason for my revert. Just look at my past few edits, you will see times when my summaries got cut off, or I knew when it would be cut off and had to finish the summary early. If this is not the right place to post this, please notify me on my talkpage where I should post it. I don't know if it's admins or crats or devs that actually controll this stuff, so please notify me on what we could do. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 21:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

If the vote of a newbie means anything, I'd like to second this proposal. There are just times when you need to explain in semi-detail why an edit or revert was made, and the system doesn't give us enough room to do so. Harukaze 21:22, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

This should really be directed to the village pump. I dunno if it's actually possible but you could always shorten your summaries by ommiting vowels etc, like one does with text messages--Phoenix-wiki (talk · contribs) 21:25, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Suggestion 1: Don't use the default edit summary when undoing an edit. Revert manually – go to the 'history' tab, select the correct older revision, click 'edit this page', save – and use an appropriate edit summary.

Suggestion 2: If the amount of information you want to convey won't fit in the edit summary field, then you're almost certainly using the edit summary for the wrong purpose. Refer, in the edit summary, to an appropriate comment on the article talk page, or leave a message on the talk page of the editor whom you've reverted, as appropriate. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 21:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't know how popups works, but when I use the normal undo button in a page history, I sometimes delete the prefilled edit summary to write something else. PrimeHunter 22:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

My 2p worth: I often get this problem, and the only explanation is that I am trying to write too much in the edit summary, and I need to tighten up my prose. Do the same! AndyJones 10:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

If people are curious what was changed they can always look at the diff so anything that doesn't fit and would be covered by the diff is superfluous. RJFJR 16:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the suggestion by TenOfAllTrades to use the article's talk page for documenting complicated edits in more detail. Another advantage of using the talk page is that you get full wikitext markup - if you have a lot to say about your edit, it will be easier to read if you format it on the talk page. You might also add a link to your diff in your talk page comment, so people can easily see what edit you are describing (that is, to connect your talk page comment to the article history). As to whether you need to tighten up your prose, that might depend on how much you edited. If you make a large number of different types of changes to an article, it's hard to avoid using a correspondingly large number of words to describe them. You might want to make multiple edits with fewer changes per edit, so you don't have lots of different things to explain in one edit summary. --Teratornis 00:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

WIkipedia/Google search problems

I'm trying to get a list of all the Wikipedia categories with "Software" in their name, so I ran the google search

   intitle:Category intitle:software site:en.wikipedia.org

That search returns about 690 items. However I noticed that the category "Business software" was not included. I had used edit/select all/copy/paste into notebook/ to capture the Google search results, then sorted that notebook created file. And I've done it several times; "Business software" never shows up. However, just make it more curious, if after the Google search you use Googles "search within results" facility to search for "Business" -it's there!

The problem is not that "Business software" was missing, the problem is that anything was missing. "Business software" is only an example; "Accounting software" is also missing on my last attempt.

Why would anyone care about this? Please take a look at my "Contributions" log, I'm engaged in some obsessive/compulsive updating of the computing and software categories.

So what's going on between Wikipedia and Google searches?

thanks 69.106.226.205 21:58, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry if this is a stupid question, but did the last page of your search end with:

In order to show you the most relevant results, we have omitted some entries very similar to the 545 already displayed. If you like, you can repeat the search with the omitted results included.

Yes, always click that - count went from 690 to 691. Apologies for not being logged on for orginal post, probably got dropped while at lunch. Use this id ==> tooold 22:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps when you did your cut and paste, you only had 545 of the entries, not 694 of them? Since things like Category:Business software and Category:Accounting software are probably largely populated by subcategories, that might affect their pagerank in some bad way, so they might have less Google "relevance" than other categories. --barneca (talk) 22:11, 9 November 2007 (UTC) I actually bothered to look, obviously not. Still first part might be right. --barneca (talk) 22:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

After the select/copy/past, I checked that the last item on each Google search page (7 pages, 100 items/page) was in the notepad file. tooold 22:28, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

btw, I'm not desperate to use Google, if there is a Wikipedia way to get the result I'd be happy to use it. tooold 22:31, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, I checked, and you're right, and I can't explain it. Seems like it's more of a Google question than a Wikipedia one. However, I think I have good news. If you do a MediaWiki search on "software", and limit it to the Categories namespace, you get 1342 results [6]. But, it seems to be sorted so Categories with "software" the title are listed first. Look at page 30 the 550th or so entry (page number depends on your search results default in your preferences), and you'll see the switch. You'll have to double check, but I think that'll get you where you want to be. Possibly the first time in the history of the universe when a MediaWiki search worked better than a Google one. Maybe Wikimedia should consider competing with Google in the search-engine market. --barneca (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

You got it! Thanks. Neat catching that those with "software" in title listed first. Comparing to the Google search, Google missed 10 out of the 1st 50. Thanks again. tooold 00:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Glad to help. Enjoy your obsessive compulsion. --barneca (talk) 02:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

(undent) If you want to search just the Categories namespace, try my (relatively) new {{Google custom}} template. I even included a usage example for exactly this case. For example, to search the Categories namespace for "software":

• Search Wikipedia's Category namespace for: software

That finds about 2,720 results, with Category:Business software on the first results page. --Teratornis 23:43, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I should add that {{Google custom}} uses a style of Google search URL that I haven't actually seen documented on Google's site (I admire lots of things about Google, but its online documentation isn't one of them); instead, I've seen other people mentioning that search URL style on the Help desk (and I think it got into Help:Search or a related page at some point). Since custom Google search URLs are handy for searching on portions of Wikipedia (see the usage section of {{Google custom}} for several examples), and this is often useful for answering questions on the Help desk, I copied the {{Google}} template and edited it into {{Google custom}}. --Teratornis 23:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I haven't had to learn about templates yet, looks like I'm going to have to. The search with 2,720 results, however, is not the desired search. The Google search was "intitle:Category intitle:Software", the template search looks to be "intitle:Category software". That is, software was found anywhere in the category page's text, not just in the title - thus the 2,7020 results. tooold 05:11, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Display problems in Firefox

Hi, i'm using Wikipedia on Firefox 2.0.0.9.

Is the set of "buttons" (i.e., my preferences, etc.) supposed to show up halfway down the page? It didn't when I used IE, and it makes it difficult to navigate? rich 23:13, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Which skin do you have in Special:Preferences with Firefox? MonoBook (default) should place the "my preferences" link at the top. PrimeHunter 00:36, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you edited your monobook.js or monobook.css? Jonathan — end transmission 20:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

November 10

Signatures

I see lots of multicoloured signatures on this and other pages, how does one go about creating one with colours, access to talk page, even images in signatures? and where can one sandbox tryout? Jagra 00:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I use plain ol' HTML and Wiki markup [Is that what they call it?]. Mess around in the sandbox and see how you like it. Pacific Coast Highway ^{{talk • contribs}} 00:48, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

edit conflictThere is a short description at Wikipedia:Signatures of how to change your signature. The easy part is changing it, the hard part is coding it. To make your signature green, and link to talk, for instance,

1. Go to my preferences
2. In the signature box put [[User:Jagra|<font color="009900">Jagra</font>]] <font color="009900">(</font>[[User_talk:Jagra|<font color="009900">talk</font>]]<font color="009900">)</font>
3. Check the "raw signature" box
4. Save changes. It should appear Jagra (talk)

The tricky part, of course, is coming up with the code. All I have done here is put font tags around the text I want to appear green. If you have something complex in mind for your signature, let me know and I would be happy to help code it. Images generally should not be included in signatures, although you can do a wide range of things with unicode characters. --TeaDrinker (talk) 00:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

reboot

How do I reboot laptop computer and why does this come up when battery runs out? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.104.175.225 (talk) 00:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried the computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter 01:11, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Wiki Contributor in Juneau, Alaska?

Hello, I am radio journalist and I am looking for a regular wiki contributor in Juneau, AK to do a story on for Alaska Public Radio. Is this the right place to look?

Thank You, Scott Burton Juneau, AK sburton [at] aprn [dot] org —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.174.68.71 (talk) 01:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Try the talk page at WP:ALASKA and leave your request there. Hope this helps Woodym555 01:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

A few editors have added themselves to Category:Wikipedians in Juneau-Southeast Alaska. Such categories are optional and many editors don't use them. PrimeHunter 01:26, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The Wikimedia Foundation, which runs Wikipedia, has a Press room page which may be helpful. I've restored your email with obfuscation so people can get in touch via email. --h2g2bob (talk) 02:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Editing menus/linking to Userpage / Protection / Blogs

• I'm going to create a sandbox page and I'd like to put a link to it on my user page or, better yet, add it to the menu that appears at the top of the page (As per "discussion", "Edit this Page", "history", etc.) Or, can I add it to my menu that appears at the top of the screen next to my handle after I log on ("my talk", "my preferences", etc)?

• Can I protect my user page and sandbox?

• A lot of the user and talk pages on this site look like blogs. Is blogging part of the setup here?

LuckyThracian 01:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You cannot protect your user page or sandbox.

Not only is blogging not a part of the setup here, but Wikipedia actively discourages the misuse of its server space as any kind of ersatz social site, including in the user and talk pages. There are lots of other places for that. --Orange Mike 01:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify: you may request your userpage/sandbox to be semi-protected at Requests for page protection, but only in response to an unusually large amount of vandalism. You cannot do it yourself Before I got my userpage protected, it was getting vandalised on average twice a week (14 times in two months), so be sure that it is absoutely necessary. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:Protection policy

Also, I do not believe that you can add your own "tabs" at the top of your page; a plain ol' link will do fine. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 01:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, how can I do the link? (I'm finding the advice on the Links help page confusing.)

Also, is there a part of the site that explains definitively what you can tamper with and what is protected programming?

LuckyThracian 02:03, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

To link to another page on Wikipedia, type [[Pagename]]. Be sure to insert the appropriate prefix (User:, User talk:, Template:, Template talk:, etc) in front of the pagename. For articles, simply type [[Article name]], or [[Talk:Article name]] for the talkpage. Templates can be transcluded onto a page by typing {{Template name}}

As for your "tamper" question, you may edit the following:

• Article pages

• You may not edit semi-protected articles until your account is four days old.
• Fully protected articles cannot be edited by anyone lower than an administrator.

• Pages in any other namespace EXCEPT:

• It is considered bad practice to edit other's userpages, even to fix an error, unless they have specifically asked you to.
• Again, fully protected pages (e.g. high risk templates)

• You may want to read up on the user access levels, this is a simple, broad description. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 02:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Further reading: Wikipedia:User access levels — Useful links: Help:Linking, Help:Templates

Thank you NF24. That's simplified it to the necessary. LuckyThracian 01:09, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Socrates References

I am trying to set up the cnote/cref template over at Socrates. I am not fully experienced in these things and would greatly appreciate it if someone could help me to fix or explain to me how to properly use cnotes. I am trying to copy the system as implemented (quite well) at Alcibiades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Across.The.Synapse (talk • contribs) 03:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I experimented and discovered that it is the two equal signs (=) that are messing it up. Replacing them with {{equals}} fixed the problem. (I knew nothing about cnote or cref so took this question as an opportunity to explore and learn a bit more about Wikipedia. Using Show Preview and progressively moving around the closing braces narrowed down the problem to the equal signs. Then I guessed that there might be a template for displaing an equal sign and voila.) Sbowers3 17:46, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your experimentation with the format. I will continue citing on Socrates by using the cnote system. across the synapse 03:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Swap Engine

Hi I have A 1984 Elcamino and I would like to know can A Ls1 engine go in it and what do I have to do and changes i must do. Thanks,GOTTI —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.150.250.108 (talk) 03:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

This page is for questions about using Wikipedia. For other kinds of questions, maybe the reference desk would be able to help you. However, we do have a page on the Chevrolet El Camino. Astronaut 14:20, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I send messages to other users

Wikipedia could you please tell me how to send messages to other users without using their profiles Watts 11 05:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Without leaving a message on their talk page, if the user has their Email enabled you can do it that way. When you go to a user page or a user talk page, notice the left side of the screen under the "toolbox" section it says "Email User". - Rjd0060 05:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

federal system of government

What is federalism and how does it function?195.202.88.145 07:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

See Federalism. --Hdt83 ^Chat 07:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Pay

I will contribute to wikipedia if you reduce the amount of deletion, e.g for notoriety. The nobel prize takes 20 years+ to get awarded so who can say what is important after a few months! Deleting articles that took a lot of effort to create to save disk space issues is silly. Just leave it and delete it in 10 years,if ever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.101.160.213 (talk) 09:23, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• Notability exists in different degrees. Not everything takes as long as the nobel prize. There are other recognized awards people can get. And the deletion is not to save disk space, in fact recording the deletion takes more space. It's to avoid people using Wikipedia as an advertising platform. - 87.211.75.45 09:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

saponaceous

I referred to your dictionary to find the meaning of 'saponaceous' only to find no result to my search.

I do however have an old dictionary 'The New Standard Dictionary Language of the English Language' printed in 1922 by the Waverley Book Company Ltd of Farringdon street which gives the following meaning of the word:

'Having the nature of quality of soap; especially compounded of a base and a fatty acid'

Would you recognise this word and the meaning??

Regards Richard Calhoun —Preceding unsigned comment added by Richardcalhoun (talk • contribs) 11:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Richard. Wikipedia is one of several projects run by the Wikimedia foundation. It is an encyclopedia and thus does not have dictionary definitions. However, Wiktionary, a sister project, is a dictionary and the word does have an entry there. See saponaceous. Cheers.--Fuhghettaboutit 11:38, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Numbered list

There is a numbered list, using a hash. How do I insert a line without restarting the numbering? - Kittybrewster ☎ 12:00, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Use #:, #:: etc .

e.g

1. Hello
2. Hello

   Hello to you

3. Hello

Hope this helps. Woodym555 12:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Regarding Article

Hi.

I would like to know , is it possible users like me to post an article?

Please reply.

MasterWann —Preceding unsigned comment added by MasterWann (talk • contribs) 15:29, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes.

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. PrimeHunter 15:49, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

HTML/CSS code for Table of Contents

Greetings! I emailed the volunteer staff about this, and they told me I should try asking here: Could anyone give me the HTML and CSS code needed to create a table of contents similar to the ones at the top of most Wikipedia entries? I've tried looking at the page source, but it seems like all of the documents have an external style sheet. I've managed to find a few of those style sheets, but there must be one or more I haven't found, because the Table of Contents code refers to a few elements (i.e. toclevel, tocnumber, toctext) that I haven't found the styles for. Could anyone please help me? Thanks!

Omega234 16:05, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Omega234! Just to give you a quick answer, the page Wikipedia:Catalogue of CSS classes should help you. Though as far as I can see, the classes you mention don't actually have any rules defined in CSS (but someone else can probably clarify/correct me on this). Also, if you use the Firefox browser, there's an extension for it called Firebug which really helps you to see how the HTML and CSS of a page are being used. (There may be other extensions too that are just as good or better, and there's a similar tool for Opera, but it's not yet so good.) -- DatRoot 16:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Hey, thanks! But I still have one problem left: the Javascript for hiding the table of contents. I have no experience with Javascript, so if you could give me the code or send me to where I can find the code, that'd be helpful. Thanks for the other help, though! -- Omega234 02:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You need to copy 3 functions from wikibits.js; they are showTocToggle, changeText and tocToggle. Conveniently they're next to each other in the code. You need to have showTocToggle run just after the document is loaded, and then tocToggle is the function that will automatically be called when the user clicks the show/hide button. Hope this helps -- DatRoot 22:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

NTOC???

How do I turn off the table of contents? I thought the code was ___NTOC___, but that just seems to render as a bit of text. AndyJones 16:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You were close! it should be __NOTOC__ (see also Help:Section#Table_of_contents_.28TOC.29) -- DatRoot 16:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent. It works! Thanks. AndyJones 16:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Image Uploading

I am trying to upload an image and description but each time it tells me that I have no source information. I've spent several hours trying to fifure this out and cannout find anything on Wikipedia explaining how to actually include the source information. Can it be explained step by stepJohnplesh 16:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)?

I think Wikipedia:Uploading images should have the information you're looking for. Good luck! GlassCobra 16:37, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

wikipedia as home page

How do I set up Wikipedia as my home page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Barbara33 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• That depends. What web browser are you using? = Mgm|^(talk) 18:07, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

This question comes up occasionally on the Help desk. You can try searching for some previous answers to get instructions for various Web browsers: Search Wikipedia Help desk for: Wikipedia "home page". For example:

• Wikipedia:Help desk/Archives/2006 October 31#home page

--Teratornis 23:31, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I would like to remove a comment from a image that i uploaded...

Can anyone assist me in removing a comment from an uploaded image? —Preceding unsigned comment added by WaccamawLovers (talk • contribs) 18:42, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Which image are you referring to? You can normally just click "edit" and remove it manually. -- Jack 19:56, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Lots of Userpages listed in Category:Medieval reenactment?

Does anyone know how to fix this? I thought it was because a userbox was included in the category, so I removed the category from that userbox and the userpages are still showing up. They also appear to be some userpages are also showing up in Category:Islamic history and Category:Arab dynasties. 172.200.249.15 19:09, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You fixed it correctly and the user pages are gone from Category:Medieval reenactment now. I have removed Category:Islamic history and Category:Arab dynasties from Template:User Islamic Civilization.[7] It may take some time for the categories to register the change when the user pages haven't been edited. PrimeHunter 20:25, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Toccata

Hey, I was just wondering: I created a page for the Emerson, Lake, & Palmer song "Toccata". It's called Toccata (Song). But when I put a link to that page from the track listing on the album (Brain Salad Surgery), it goes to Toccata, the page about the song type, instead of the page about the song. How do I get it to go to the song's page instead of the song type? Captainpancreas 19:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I have done it for you. Just see 'edit this page' tab over there to find how it was done. Hope it helped. DSachan 19:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

You have to make sure you link to the actual page. For example: [[Toccata (Song)|Toccata]]. If you link to just Toccata it will take you to the song type. -- Jack 19:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

(e/c) What you need to do is pipe the link like this: [[Toccata (Song)|Toccata]]. which will look like this: Toccata. Basically, the text on one left side of the pipe ("|") tells the software where to go, and the text on the right tells it what to display.--Fuhghettaboutit 19:54, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

By the way, I just wanted to tell you that the page name should be Toccata (song) rather than Toccata (Song). So, consider renaming the page. DSachan 19:57, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

• Since there's no need for the capital letter, I've moved this to Toccata (song). - Mgm|^(talk) 20:33, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Also by the way, Emerson, Lake, & Palmer were the best musical group of all time, up until Love Beach anyway (how's that for my neutral point of view). And it's a shame that Jimi Hendrix killed himself before joining them. --Teratornis 23:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

F-16

I have questions about the F-16, but they are not saved, or are removed, please tell me what I need to do. Thank you68.245.183.235 20:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Not saved where? And by F-16 do you mean the F-16 Fighting Falcon? --Teratornis 23:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I see some discussion about the F-16 in User talk:68.245.183.235#F-16XL & F-16E/F. Did your questions get answered? If you want to have discussions with other Wikipedia users, you may wish to create an account, so you will have a talk page of your own. See Help:Talk page for more about how to "talk" to other Wikipedia users. Currently, User talk:68.245.183.235 "belongs" only to the IP address you seem to be currently using, and it may be possible for someone else to share that. --Teratornis 00:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

talcott parsons

If you alter a piece about a subject you know a good deal about and what you added disappears within a day, what has happened to what you have added?

87.194.115.59 20:50, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Your edits were reverting as being vandalism. Saying things like "Talcott Parsons is a knob" is not appreciated here. GlassCobra 20:53, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

maps

i need to know if you can look up maps of mexico close up —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.94.107.114 (talk) 21:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Try Google Maps. In the future, though, please ask questions like this at the Reference Desk. The Help Desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. Good luck! GlassCobra 21:59, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Disambiguation??

OK.....it is clearly apparent that I JUST DON'T GET IT WITH DISAMBIGUATION, so let's try a scenario:

There's a page/article for "Bob".......it's an OK article....it discusses Bob and Bob's cat and Bob's love for cheese omelets......great.

I want to create a page about a different "Bob (the skinny one)"....there's no page for THIS Bob.

I want: A. A disambuigation page listing each of the Bob's and, B. Bob (the skinny one) to have HIS OWN PAGE.

HOW DO I DO THAT?!?!?!?? Buddpaul 22:15, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

People named Bob are already listed at Bob. Bob (the skinny one) does not sound notable. See WP:BIO before creating an article on this Bob. -- Jack 22:18, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this is a hypothetical situation, Jack. Buddpaul, have you tried reading Wikipedia:Disambiguation? If so, and you still don't understand, come back and we'll try to help you more. GlassCobra 22:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh right, sorry. If it is a certain person with the same name as someone else, normally the profession of the person follows the name in the title of the article. So for example, if there was a person already under the article named "Jack McWiki", and you wanted "Jack McWiki" who was a musician, you could name it "Jack McWiki (musician)". Hope this helped a bit more! -- Jack 22:28, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

An article about the magician Mark Horowitz would be at Mark Horowitz (magician). But make sure he satisfies WP:BIO, and please read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest if you are him or close to him, for example if you are Paul Sifen or Buddy Stein. PrimeHunter 22:40, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Add {{for|the skinny one|Bob (the skinny one)}} to the top of the Bob page. Click the red link to make a new page called Bob (the skinny one). Fill that page with what you want to say, listing the sources you used to make the page. See your first article for more on creating articles. --h2g2bob (talk) 01:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Forum

Where is the Wikipedia Forum that I keep reading about? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.6.2 (talk) 23:06, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Can you give us a link to what you have been reading? Then we might be able to narrow it down. See WP:EIW#News for some of the forum-type things about Wikipedia. --Teratornis 23:22, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps they mean Wikipedia Review? GlassCobra 23:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Or maybe talk pages? --h2g2bob (talk) 00:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

How addictive?

How addictive is Wikipedia and why is it so good? I know someone who loves it. Can it damage your health from too much computer use? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.141.65.154 (talk) 23:08, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Lots of different people get "addicted" to different things. However, psychologists use the word addiction in a stricter sense than you may hear the word in everyday speech. See Internet addiction disorder for more about the argument as to whether your friend is really "addicted." Just my opinion, but I think before the Internet can truly become addicting, first it would have to start working more reliably. --Teratornis 23:19, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Wikipediholic. PrimeHunter 23:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Wikipedia:Why Wikipedia is so great for more about your second of three questions. --Teratornis 00:02, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Very. Because of the candy center. Yes, we are all at risk.--Fuhghettaboutit 09:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

EXTREMELY ANNOYED

I went to a LOT of trouble to get you five photos of rustons engines (Ruston (Engine Builder)) from the guy who owns 99% of the Rustons Archive, only for wikipedia to delete them bar one. You will not get any more photos like this, and the five I found were unpublished up to now. I had the owners permission to use them, on wikipedia. Yet they were deleted. Im fed up with wikipedia doing this, so ive now WITHDRAWN permission for wikipedia to use ANY other images ive posted that i can control useage on. If my stuff isnt good enough for you then you can stick it.

I dont know whats the matter with personal attack removed. Dont you WANT people to contribute? Well im done, im fed up wasting my time trying to help only to get it repeatedly walked over or deleted.

You can stick your encyclodpedia where the sun dont shine. I wont be adding any more content. I hope your entire project goes tits up and fails.

Lincolnshire Poacher 23:27, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

First, The GFDL is irrevocable, second you can't release images for Wikipedia use only, they have to be reusable. -- John Reaves 23:32, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

The images were legitimately deleted per CSD I4 - missing license information. Whenever you upload an image, you need to select a license tag to place on the image page. There's a handy drop-down menu on the upload form that will help you select the correct license. If you had included a license, the image would not have been deleted. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 23:34, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

[Comment removed] -- DatRoot 23:45, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

Bad category "Categorizing article - You can help! using AWB"

I've cleaned out the top level category "Computing", recategorizing the many low level detail articles that did not belong there. But articles keep being incorrectly categorized there, often with the message quoted in the subject line. CAM Table has just arrived. There is NO computing category that is a dumping ground for articles that people are not willing to make the effort to categorize correctly. How do I fix AWB so that it does not dump articles into Category:Computing? tooold 23:58, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

From my experience, AWB only does what you tell it to do. Occasionally it does something rather stupid, but that's why it makes you approve all edits before they get saved - so theoretically, if AWB is doing something you don't like, just edit the options to tell it to stop, or decline those particular edits. Category options are on the second tab in AWB. You could also add {{CatDiffuse}} to the category page if it is not there already - this should alert other editors to find a more specific subcategory for their page if possible. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

So it's other editors that are my problem. I'll assume they don't even look at the category page, if they did - it's obviously not used for product pages. Can I get into trouble for reverting their edit, the CAM Table edit for example, with an edit summary something like "The top level computing category is not appropriate for product categorizations. Better to leave it uncategorized so that some future editor can assign its correct category."? tooold 05:23, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

November 11

auto collapse TOC

can the main TOC be set to auto collapse as with some navboxes (not actually disappear as with but just hidden)? thanks Williams119 00:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

The TOC is collapsable already - if you click on the "hide" link, it will collapse as you're describing. For navigational purposes, it is expanded by default. There may be some way to modify your monobook.js or .css files to cause them to be collapsed by default, but I'm not sure what that would be or if it is even possible. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 01:37, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

what motivates editors? do they get paid?

I mean if knowledge is power, then why would you want to share your knowledge with others? This makes me suspicious that the content on WP might be inaccurate, unless you guys are part of the illuminati or something trying to brainwash us all? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.72.6.65 (talk) 02:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, what an opinion you have there. I think it is different for everybody. Most people consider it a hobby. - Rjd0060 02:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Shhh, Rjd0060! This guy is onto us! —Animum _{(a rag man)} 02:59, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

:] That's the funniest thing I've heard all week! Rudget _zŋ 12:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm sure there is a page listing common motivations lying around somewhere, but I couldn't find anything authoritative. A few that come to mind are altruism, enjoyment and desire to gain knowledge\experience\skill.

The answer to the second question is no. There are (to the best of my knowledge) very few paid positions in the Wikimedia foundation (mostly developers and such).

The only way you can truly hope to know if Wikipedia is trying to brainwash the world is to infiltrate our ranks and, in time, gain access to our innermost secrets. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 14:51, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

For some of us, it's just the joy of expanding the planet-wide knowledge base in a manner most accessible to the common people. And, of course, Because It Seemed the Fannish Thing to Do! --Orange Mike 13:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Trouble editing when logged in

Hi, I have recently noticed that I can't edit pages/undo changes or see diff pages. When I click "edit this page" or "view source" (on protected pages), or links to diff pages, my browser doesn't recognise the php file type (index.php). (It does it on both Firefox and IExplore). But when I log off Wikipedia, I can do all that without any trouble, which means I edit under my IP as my username, and not my actual username. I haven't had any problems with php files before, except now. Can anyone think of why this happens and how to fix it, because I'd rather edit under my username than my IP. Please make any responses either here on on my talk page. Thanks. JJIG ^{(t | c)} 02:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It could have something to do with a javascript file, but I don't think so (User:JJIG/monobook.js). JJIG ^{(t | c)} 03:01, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to Special:Preferences and click the Editing tab. Maybe you have a check mark at "Use external editor by default". If so, does it help to remove it? PrimeHunter 03:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Yep, it works now. Thanks. JJIG ^{(t | c)} 04:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Getting Old Info

Hi there. This is the first time I have used the help desk. One article on here was recently deleted, and I needed the info on the page. Is there any way that I can get the old info from the page? Mhavril39 03:39, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It depends why it was deleted. Administrators can see deleted pages. And sometimes a mirrored version can be found, for example with a Google search on the page name. Which page was it? PrimeHunter 04:10, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

If you check the deletion log, you can contact the administrator who deleted the page. Depending on the circumstances, they're usually willing to restore a deleted page to your userspace in situations such as this. If you're willing, you could even improve the article so that it can be put back into the main article namespace. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 04:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikitable sortable

I would like the roster here to sort the player's year from freshman to senior (Fr. to Sr.) However, right now Jr. follows Fr. as opposed to So. when it is sorted. How may I fix this? I read the handbook here, which didn't help too much. I also tried using the template smn, but it didn't work as it did for the height. Thanks in advance for the help. BlueAg09 (Talk) 03:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

• You want to read up on sortkeys. Those allow you to sort data in other ways than just alphabetical if you pick the right sortkey. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:15, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

To clarify. Heights are numbers, you need to look into sorting strings by giving Jr. and Sr. hidden text strings to sort them with. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Broken image help

I can't figure out whats wrong with this image: Image:Alcatel Lucent logo.svg. it is on the server, but you can only see it by clicking on the link of the image's page, not embed it. thanks --Ben Stone 06:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm. Thats weird. When I load the page, the image area shows for a brief moment, but then goes away. I don't know why it is doing that, but be patient and somebody will come along here. - Rjd0060 06:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I downloaded it, saved it as plain svg in inkscape and uploaded it over the old version. It works for me now. You might have to clear your cache to see the new version. Arthena^(talk) 00:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

management theories

how might the following management theories approaches be useful to starbuck: scientific management, organization behaviour, quantitative approch and systems approch?·§ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.26.192.121 (talk) 06:03, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but this help desk is for questions about using Wikipedia. - Rjd0060 06:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

How to update "Pages that link to ..."

I changed a link in a template that is transcluded in hundreds of pages. However, "Pages that link to ..." still displays all of the old links. Are these somehow in a cache, and if so, how can I refresh the cache? — Sebastian 08:05, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

• Those "pages that link to" won't change unless the pages are edited (which causes them to be reindexed). You can ask someone with AutoWikiBrowser to 'touch' the pages in question. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

• Thank you! In that case, I rather won't bother other people. — Sebastian 18:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Question about primary topics on human name disambiguation pages

Hi there. We're hoping that this is the correct place for this question, but feel free to point us in the right direction if not. Neelix and Gilesbennett have slightly differing opinions on what the MoS says about the primary topic of human name disambiguation pages that have "(disambiguation)" in the title.

There are a couple of pages in question between the two of us, but we can put forward Christian Martin (disambiguation) as an example of the differences. Neelix is of the view that the structure should be :

Christian Martin is a VP and Executive Producer for NBC Universal - iVillage. Christian Martin may also refer to: Christian Frederick Martin (1796-1873), luthier Christian Martin Frahn (1782-1851), German numismatist and historian Johann Christian Martin Bartels (1769-1836), German mathematician

Neelix's view is based on the idea that one of the 'Christian Martin's in the example above should come first as it is the result which would be shown immediately if the name Christian Martin were to be typed into the search field. This is based on the section of WP:MOSDAB which states:

When a page has "(disambiguation)" in the title, users are unlikely to stumble on it by accident. They will arrive there by clicking on a link from the primary topic article, by searching, or by directly typing its URL.

The link on the main article should be similar to:

For other uses, see School (disambiguation).

The {{otheruses}} template series can be used.

Since it is unlikely that this well-known meaning is what they are looking for, it should not be mixed in with the other links. It is recommended to place the link back to the primary topic at the top, like this:

A school is an institution for learning. School may also refer to: School (discipline), a group of people with common characteristics in what they do, e.g. a school of painting, or a school of thought "School" (song), by the grunge music group Nirvana School (band), a band from Konami's Pop'n Music series A swarm of fish

Gilesbennett, on the other hand, doesn't think that any one person with the name "Christian Martin" should be preferred over any other (ie. be posted at the top of the page before "Other people called Christian Martin include :..." and that the structure should therefore be :

Christian Martin may refer to: Christian Martin, VP and Executive Producer for NBC Universal - iVillage. Christian Frederick Martin (1796-1873), luthier Christian Martin Frahn (1782-1851), German numismatist and historian Johann Christian Martin Bartels (1769-1836), German mathematician

This is based on the section of WP:MOSDAB which states:

For people, include their birth and death years (when known), and only enough descriptive information that the reader can distinguish between different people with the same name. Keep in mind the conventions for birth and death dates, see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates of birth and death. Do not include a, an or the before the description of the person's occupation or role.

John Smith is the name of: John Smith (filmmaker) (born 1952), London-based avant-garde filmmaker John Smith (mathematician) (18th century), mathematician at the University of Oxford, 1766–1797 John Smith (Ohio Senator) (1735–1824)

Could someone please point us in the direction of how to resolve this? There's no pride at stake, but both of us are keen to ensure that any disambiguation work which we undertake is done in accordance with the overall consensus on the appropriate manner of doing so.

Thanks in advance.

Giles Bennett ^{(Talk, Contribs)} Neelix

While the example with school seems to point to the first interpretation, I think the second feels more correct and appears to be what is used in practice, even if there's a lack of clarity in the MoS page. Things (schools and widgets) are quite different than people. No one searching "school" would ever expect to be taken to "school (song)". By contrast, many disambiguation pages for people have no such certainty about them. While there are exceptions to this (almost everyone searching Bill Gates is looking for the founder of Microsoft and not one of the others listed at Bill Gates (disambiguation)), most disambiguation pages I have looked at (such as the Bill Gates dab page) have the form of the latter. There's also something divisive about making one person's name take primacy on the disambiguation page. Having it in the first format feels like we're saying something more than "this is how we've ordered it based on likelihood of searches"; something like "this guy with the same name as the rest of these people, is more important as a person"; not a good result. I think a link to this thread should go on the MoS talk page with a short note that maybe some clarity should be added on the issue to the guideline.--Fuhghettaboutit 08:54, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

• There will be no doubt differences on opinion on which name should take precedence, but ALL the names should be in the list and none should be separated. A primary definition is only mention in cases of non-people articles (like 'school') and when there is a high degree of certainty that is the definition most people would look for. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Loose cannon, chasing rapidly changing IP editor

Recently, there have been a number of contributions to various Kent-related articles that are coming from IP numbers (80.0.110.148, 80.2.201.239, 80.0.117.237, 80.1.88.210, etc.). It looks like it may be the same person. The problem is that although the contributions seem well-intentioned, the editor appears to be blissfully unaware of WP's guidelines (POV, linking policy, verifiability etc). So far I have been unable to communicate with him/her because the IP address keeps changing.

It seems heavy-handed to revert, but at the same time their contributions need extensive fixing and it would be good to introduce them to Wikipedia principles. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to deal with this? How does one chase an ip-editor? Pgr94 12:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd suggest transferring this thread to administators noticeboard, it will get handled quicker and more effectively there. Regards, Rudget _zŋ 12:18, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick reply, have followed your advice. Best, Pgr94 12:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

It's okay. Rudget _zŋ 12:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

blocked on the Swedish wikipedia

I have never written anything much on wikipedia, only (as far as I remember) added a little on one article each at the English and Swedish wikipedia, and that was a long time ago. The Swedish things still partly remain and I did not in those days know how to sign either. Today, I thought I might add something on the Swedish article that I had expanded earlier, but I found that I had been blocked from writing because my ip-address was the same as a "Mezjuev" unknown to me had used. Since it was impossible for me to ask the Swedish administrators what it is all about, I hope that you might link to them. I do not need to write anything on wikipedia, but it is strange to be blocked for an unknown reason.Jurgen Wullenwever 14:32, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Their comment was:

Din IP-adress har blockerats automatiskt eftersom den har använts av en annan användare som blockerats av Grillo. Motiveringen av blockeringen var:

Automatiskt blockerad, eftersom du har samma IP-adress som "Mezjuev". Motivering till blockeringen: "enligt användarens begäran på WP:BOÅ". Blockeringen startade 11 november 2007 kl. 12.50 Blockeringen gäller till 12 november 2007 kl. 12.50 Du kan kontakta Grillo eller någon annan administratör för att diskutera blockeringen.

Observera att du inte kan använda dig av funktionen "skicka e-post till användare" om du inte har registrerat en giltig e-postadress i dina inställningar eller om du har blivit blockerad från att skicka e-post.

Blockeringens ID är 19110. Vänligen ange blockerings-ID i alla förfrågningar som du gör i ärendet.

Hello Jurgen! Not trying to be too offensive but if you were blocked on the Swedish Wikipedia, what could we do? Regards, Rudget _zŋ 14:38, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Depending on your Internet connection, many people may have the same IP address. The Swedish message says the block expires tomorrow and you say you don't need to edit, so I suggest you just wait instead of spending time on this. PrimeHunter 16:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

images

how do i place or copy an image into an article?/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by D. R. O'shea (talk • contribs) 15:22, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Image#Linking. :) PeaceNT 15:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it ur own image? 41.208.198.50 19:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Alphabet code

A - Alpha B- Beta C- D -Z Does anyone knows the rest used by pilots ? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shrimpwonton (talk • contribs) 15:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Alpha, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliet, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whisky, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu. Although this is meant to be for Wikipedia related questions :) Qst (talk) 15:33, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

<editconflict> *annoyed* You might see also Greek alphabet or Category:Greek letters. :) PeaceNT 15:35, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

See also Spelling alphabet#Examples. I haven't heard of pilots who use B=Beta. PrimeHunter 16:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Sources of Information

I would like to ask the author of a biographical entry about the source of one piece of information concerning their subject. I have not found this particular information on any other website giving biographical details about their subject. How do I do this? I do not know how I will receive your reply and would be grateful if you would send this information to my email address which is <email removed> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.139.239 (talk) 18:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

If you cannot find the information anywhere else, then it is probably untrue and should be removed, as per Wikipedia's guidelines on biographies of living people. Which article are you referring to? I have removed your email; this page is seen by many people every day. In order to help ensure that you see this, I'll leave a message on your talk page. GlassCobra 19:48, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Minor annoyance

I've been trying to figure out why there's an extra ']' after the second external link in Mrs. Parkington. What's the story? Clarityfiend 19:07, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

 Fixed Jonathan • end transmission_ 19:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Curly braces

What do curly braces {} mean? Specifically, how do I edit the table on the page English unit under the section Wine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eassin (talk • contribs) 19:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You can use Brackets to place a template in an article. {{uw-vandalism1}} places the template Template:Uw-vandalism1 on a page. Malinaccier (talk • contribs) 19:55, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You can edit the table at Template:English wine casks. Malinaccier (talk • contribs) 19:58, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

For more information about templates and "transclusion", see Help:Template and WP:TRANS. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

List of images

Does anyone know where i can find out which images i have uploaded? Is there a Special page? (note, Special is not a typo). Simply south 21:16, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Go to Special:Logs, click "Upload log" in the drop-down, then type in your username (leave off the "User:") in the User box. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 21:19, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Alternatively, if you don't want to type click on "my contributions", and then click on logs next to "For Simply south", then pick Upload log as above. Angus McLellan (Talk) 00:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Simply south 19:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion log question

Is there a way I can search the deletion log for a certain string of text rather than a title? For example, if I wanted to view a list of all articles that have been deleted whose titles contain "Virginia". Thanks. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 21:17, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Question

Hi my name is Louie Zalar, I bacame disabled April 2005 from an anoxic brain injury, I am disabled and am trying to work from home, I was wondering if I could put my web site on your site? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.121.172.194 (talk) 21:50, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You should wait to create an article about yourself, or something you are involved in. (see WP:AUTO) If you provide a link to the web page, another Wikipedian may create it. Malinaccier (talk • contribs) 22:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Just to clarify, Wikipedia is not your webspace. If you want to write an article about yourself, post on Articles for creation. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 22:24, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Many users host essays on their user page or on their userspace. To do this you first need to create and account, then you can write more about your situation and what kinds of things you would like to share with the world, and then maybe some people would take notice and help build articles on yourself and related medical conditions. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Contract J.A.C.K.

Please check the grammer of this game. English is not my main language. So I have difficulties to correct sentences. D@rk K 22:04, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, you'd be better making a Request For Feedback an editor will take a look at the content, grammar and punctuation and ensure it is correct and provide feedback for you. Andy^reply 23:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia's Donation Tagline

Hello~

I noticed your tagline at the top of your web site, asking for donations. You then have the following quote:

"Knowlege in it's purest form. Thank you." — Anonymous

I thought you should know that there's a major error with that quote ... "it's" should be "its" WITHOUT the apostrophe.

I didn't want your web site to have a major grammar faux pas. I suggest someone change it immediately. :o)

Denise Abbe —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.227.225.137 (talk) 23:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi there, I believe the quotes are pulled direct from a donations database, they are comments people can leave when they donate and as such they can't be edited! Any errors are the fault of the donater! Andy^reply 23:31, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Images of unknown source

Hi, I have some fair-use questions for you. Say there is an image that many people consider "iconic" of a movement, but there is not a known source of the image? Let's say this one: Image:Nuclear power is not healthy poster.jpg. My first impression would be that it could not be used, since someone clearly does hold the copyright and we are not able to satisfy the attribution requirement of fair use images.

Also, as another unrelated question, is the cc-by-2.5 tag supposed to be used for images that you take yourself, or for images used as fair use? Item in question: Image:Red forest.jpg.

Thanks! -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:29, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I can answer your second one - the cc-by-2.5 tag is only designed to be used for your own work, but if the source licensed it under cc 2.5, then you can tag it as such. Fair use images must be tagged with the appropriate fair use tag - you cannot use cc 2.5 because then it wouldn't have to be fair use. As for the first question, I'll wait for a more experienced user. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 23:44, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay thanks, it looks like the Image:Red forest.jpg will need to be changed to a fair-use tag. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:57, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Wikitables

Moved from the Computing reference desk Г^edʃtǁcɭ 23:42, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know how to modify vertical borders? For instance...

{| class=wikitable
|-
||1||2||3||4
|-
||1||2||3||4
|-
|}

1	2	3	4
1	2	3	4

and then this...

{| class=wikitable
|- 
||1||2||3||4
|-
||1||2||3||4
|- style="border-bottom:3px solid red;"
||1||2||3||4
|-
|}

1	2	3	4
1	2	3	4
1	2	3	4

but how do you do this, without having to style every single cell?

{| class=wikitable
|- 
||1||style="border-left:3px solid red;"|2||3||4
|-
||1||style="border-left:3px solid red;"|2||3||4
|- 
||1||style="border-left:3px solid red;"|2||3||4
|-
|}

Thanks in advance :)

— NovaDog — (contribs) 23:28, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I think this would be doable for the entire table, but maybe not for a single column or row. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:45, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Not possible for a single column at the moment, because there's no wikitext that produces the appropriate HTML without styling each cell separately. It is doable for a row by styling the |- mark at the start of the row, but you seem to have found that out already. --ais523 10:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Aligning texts in columns, with bulleted list in ONE column, with/without the use of tables?

Hello. I have a rather peculiar problem here: I would like to know if it is possible to align texts in columns, with a bulleted list in ONE column only, but preferably WITHOUT the use of tables. If I compare it with Microsoft Word, then you can type a text, starting from the (left) margin, then use the tab key to jump and that tab can be aligned with a tab marker on the horizontal ruler. But hey, we are not working in Word here... ;-)

Now, to understand what I want to accomplish, take a look at this example. I would like to create conversations in a (Japanese) language course like this:

• Furonto: Irasshaimase.
• Mori: Konnichiwa. Shinguru ruumu wa arimasu ka.
• Furonto: Nannichi kan no go-taizai desu ka.
• Mori: Ni-shuukan desu.
• Furonto: Hai, taihen yoi shinguru ruumu ga gozaimasu.
• Mori: Ryoukin wa ikura desu ka.
• Furonto: Hito-ban ichi-man kyuusen-en ni narimasu.
• Mori: Sore ni shimasu.
• Furonto: Hito-ban ichi-man kyuusen-en ni narimasu.
• Mori: Sore ni shimasu.

But I want it to appear more like his:

Furonto:	Irasshaimase.
Mori:	Konnichiwa. Shinguru ruumu wa arimasu ka.
Furonto:	Nannichi kan no go-taizai desu ka.
Mori:	Ni-shuukan desu.
Furonto:	Hai, taihen yoi shinguru ruumu ga gozaimasu.
Mori:	Ryoukin wa ikura desu ka.
Furonto:	Hito-ban ichi-man kyuusen-en ni narimasu.
Mori:	Sore ni shimasu.
Dummy line:	Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem.

Here I did use a table ('coz I don't know any other way to do this), but that creates too much space (white lines) between the text lines, because of the use of * that creates the squares (bulleted list). Somehow this also pushes the text down a few pixels... But I don't want to discard those squares... Another problem that arises, also due to this * mark, is the vertical alignment. Since I only want to use the bulleted list in ONE column, the texts in both columns are not properly aligned. Even valign="top" doesn't solve it, or maybe I am using it in the wrong way. Does anyone know how to solve this problem? Prererably in a way that does NOT involve tables...

One way to do it would be using one space at the beginning of each line, creating the following:

Furonto:    Irasshaimase.
Mori:       Konnichiwa. Shinguru ruumu wa arimasu ka.
Furonto:    Nannichi kan no go-taizai desu ka.
Mori:       Ni-shuukan desu.
Furonto:    Hai, taihen yoi shinguru ruumu ga gozaimasu.
Mori:       Ryoukin wa ikura desu ka.
Furonto:    Hito-ban ichi-man kyuusen-en ni narimasu.
Mori:       Sore ni shimasu.
Furonto:    Hito-ban ichi-man kyuusen-en ni narimasu.
Mori:       Sore ni shimasu.
Dummy line: Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, 
            adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et 
            dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem.

But that generates a line around the text and I still don't have the listing blocks at the beginning of each line (bulleted list). I hope I clarified the problem enough, otherwise just ask me if something is still not clear... Thanks a lot in advance! Sjeng, 23:43, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Try this code, ripped off from Template:Reflist:

<div style="-moz-column-count:2; -webkit-column-count:2; column-count:2; -moz-column-width:{colwidth}; -webkit-column-width:{colwidth}; column-width:{colwidth};> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet.... </div>

Note that I haven't tested this myself, but it works in Reflist, so should work for you. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 23:52, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

I know this isn't of any help, but what's meant by "Hai, taihen yoi shinguru ruumu ga gozaimasu."?

Is it はい、大変いいシングルルームがございます。?

Are you trying to say "Yes, we have an awesome single room here." or something else that's beyond my level? If it's the former, you may want to touch up the Japanese just a little. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:53, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

You are using いい (ii), but that's practically the same as 良い (yoi). Yes, it indeed means something like "we have an excellent single room here." It's not wrong, but very formal Japanese (according my Japanese girlfriend). I took this from Wikibooks, where I am also working on the correct usage and translations of Japanese. I am still working on this part though. ;-) I see you are a level-3 Japanese speaker. Wow, cool. I am not that far yet. Somewhere between 1 and 2 I guess... Wanna help on Wikibooks??? [8] Could use it... Regards, Sjeng 00:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.93.44.181 (talk)

Err... Thank you Hersfold. But uhm... How does it work??? Doesn't seem to be correct anyway, since I see an opening quotation mark (") but not a closing one... Sjeng 00:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.93.44.181 (talk)

Using CSS columns isn't really a good idea, because currently only some browsers support them, and I don't think the rows would line up properly anyway. You might get a better answer to this on the Village pump technical forum, but this is the best solution (although not a very elegant one) I could come up with that fills all your requirements (except that it uses a table, sorry).

Basically it's done by not using list items and adding a column of the bullet images in manually instead, and also setting the table cellpadding and cellspacing attributes to 0, to make sure the lines are as tight as possible:

	Furonto:	Irasshaimase.
	Mori:	Konnichiwa. Shinguru ruumu wa arimasu ka.
	Furonto:	Nannichi kan no go-taizai desu ka.
	Mori:	Ni-shuukan desu.
	Furonto:	Hai, taihen yoi shinguru ruumu ga gozaimasu.
	Mori:	Ryoukin wa ikura desu ka.
	Furonto:	Hito-ban ichi-man kyuusen-en ni narimasu.
	Mori:	Sore ni shimasu.
	Dummy line:	Neque porro quisquam est, qui dolorem ipsum quia dolor sit amet, consectetur, adipisci velit, sed quia non numquam eius modi tempora incidunt ut labore et dolore magnam aliquam quaerat voluptatem.

-- DatRoot 22:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

November 12

How do you actually ADD an article?

Like, where on the site is the button that lets you? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Panicatthedisco (talk • contribs) 00:03, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Starting a new page. You might also want to take a look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article. Andy^reply 00:07, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Just type in The name of the new article (can be done by a host of ways) and then start typing. -Theanphibian ^{(talk • contribs)} 00:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

stpm trial exam question

can ketone react with chlorine?thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Angweikeat (talk • contribs) 01:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Try asking at the reference desk. The help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. GlassCobra 01:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Template:Infobox actor edit request

My {{editprotected}} requests seem to languish (see Template talk:Infobox actor#Edit requested 7-Nov-2007). What and when is the next reasonable step to advance the process? Conrad T. Pino 01:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

You can contact an administrator directly if you feel the need to. Explain your position, why you believe the edit should be made to the article, and so forth. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 02:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm aware of administrators and the role they play in protected edits. The few I know I don't want to overrburden. How do I identify others, especially those comfortable editing {{intricate}} templates? Conrad T. Pino 02:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, sometimes I'm just lost in the details. I'll check the recent editors of that template. Thanks again. Conrad T. Pino 03:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

A previous editor completed the work. Conrad T. Pino 12:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

High school musical 3

I know that you have a lock on the High School Musical 3 page, but I do have a little bit of information I think readers would want to know about. I live a few doors down from Vanessa Hudgens (who is so sweet by the way), and she said something about trying to get somethings done before they start filming. Most of the stars have signed their contracts already, including Vanessa and Ashley, however Zac and Corbin have not signed, they are all waiting to see the script because they are hesitant about signing on to a project that they dont know what they will be doing. Vanessa said the script is supposed to be about the senior year of all our favorite east high wildcats and end with prom/graduation. There also might be another female "senior girl" character who shakes things up when she comes to the school. They are also trying to fit in a love connection for Lucas Gabriels part since he has not played a key part romantically to the movies.

I have heard a few other things, but those other things are just speculation. Everything above is from some of the stars mouths. I would love to contribute info to the page!

01:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)~ Alyson Thorpe

It's nice that you happen to live close to Ms. Hudgens, but unfortunately, without a reliable source to corroborate your information, it can't be added to the article. Once the information that you know has been reported in a third-party source, then you can go ahead and add it in. GlassCobra 01:47, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

capsaicin and chili

there is conflicting opinions on whether chili's cause or prevent cancer in these two articles...holla —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.128.216.122 (talk) 02:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Articel name

203.122.228.167 03:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)Hi, can anyone help me with changing an article name?

You're looking for the move function. You can read up more about it at Help:Moving a page or request it at requested moves. You need an account to move pages, so unless you forgot to log in, you will need to use requested moves. James086^{Talk | Email} 03:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

saving article contents as pdf

Similar to 'printable version' option under toolbox, is there a way in which the articles can be saved (say as a pdf file). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.200.200.74 (talk) 03:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC) no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.236.236 (talk) 07:02, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

If you install e.g. PDFCreator on Windows, you can use your browser's print function to create pdf files from articles. — Ksero (leave me a message, things I've done) 10:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

GNU Free Documentation License and how it relates to images in derivitive, commercial works

I'm sure this has been answered before, but I can't track down any answers and I'm having a heck of a time understanding exactly how to comply with the GNU FDL. I've read the license several times and it all seems to talk about manuals and such, not as much about images.

If I see an image, such as the Mona Lisa, which is part of a compilation that is licensed under the GNU Free Documentation License (the Yorck Project, for example), and I make it into a derivitive work such as a collage or a t-shirt or a card that I then sell, what must I do?

The FAQ states: "It can therefore be reused only if you release any derived work under the GFDL. This requires that, among other things, you attribute the authors and allow others to freely copy your work."

I'm confused because, on the one hand, it says that it can be used commercially, but on the other I have to let other people freely copy my work. Really?

My questions: ++What else would I have to do? Is there something about linking to the GFDL? ++Where do I have to do this. It seems crazy to list the contributors and the GFDL on a t-shirt, for example. Could I put the information on a tag or description that goes with the t-shirt. ++Do I really have to let people copy my new, derivitive work for free? Can I not own the copyright on the new work, even if it is substantially different than the original? ++Do the people who copy my work also have to release it under the GFDL? Do they have to site me for the derivitive work, or the Yorck project?

Thank you all so very much in advance for your help. Best, Corinna —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.105.241.132 (talk) 05:23, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, as you've noticed, the GFDL is not really written with images in mind. As Wikipedia:Copyright FAQ says, "Some people have complained that the GFDL is too hard to interpret and too hard for reusers of small works to comply with because the license can be longer than the work covered by the license.". Look at the page of the specific image that you want to use. There are a few different free licenses that are used for images in Wikipedia. Some images use the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 1.0 License, which is much more succinct and clear. At the Wikimedia Commons, they try to encourage multi-licensing of images.

Public domain picturers, like Image:Indischer version3.jpg and the other images in Commons:Category:PD-Art (Yorck Project), are not copyrighted. If you make a derivative work of such images, it's all yours with no catches or hidden clauses. You don't even have to say where it came from.

What else would I have to do? Is there something about linking to the GFDL? Where do I have to do this. It seems crazy to list the contributors and the GFDL on a t-shirt, for example. Could I put the information on a tag or description that goes with the t-shirt.

I think that, to abide by the GFDL, you need to print the three-page GFDL and distribute it with each T-shirt. On that little leaflet, you should write something like "this work is distributed under the GFDL. Image taken from Wikipedia: (url of image page)" (there's no need to list all contributors). That's how I read section 2, "verbatim copying" in the GFDL text.

Do I really have to let people copy my new, derivitive work for free?

Yes, if you use an image under the GFDL or CC-BY-SA license, but that just means that they can photograph your T-shirt and make another identical one if they want to. If you paint your own picture and print it on a T-shirt, it's a copyrighted work of art. If someone takes a photo of that T-shirt and publishes it (e.g. on a website or newspaper), you could sue them for copyright infringement. With a GFDL'd image, you can sue them if they publish the image and don't publish the three-page GFDL license with it .

Do the people who copy my work also have to release it under the GFDL? Do they have to site me for the derivitive work, or the Yorck project?

If you release your derivative work T-shirt under the GFDL, then yes, anyone who copies your work and redistributes it will have to do that under the GFDL. They should cite your derivative work (though I'm not quite sure how you should cite a T-shirt ).

I hope this makes things clearer . Also, note that I'm not a copyright lawyer... This is just a layman's interpretation — Ksero (leave me a message, things I've done) 10:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

help me

hi i need to know about structure the ring opening persulfate can u help me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.90.77.66 (talk) 07:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

This page is only for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia. You may want to ask at one of the reference desks. --Sopoforic 07:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

insurance

I would like to know about the best pension scheme that an insurance company provids for the general public. Is it posible to know with the comparison please? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.63.240.9 (talk) 08:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

This page is only for asking questions about how to use Wikipedia. You may want to ask at one of the reference desks. --Orange Mike 13:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Deleting a category?

I made a typo when making the category "Category:Austrailian kendoka". I've since made the correct category "Category:Australian kendoka", but have no idea how to go about changing/getting rid of the old one. Can it be deleted? Brian Adler 13:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I've put a speedy deletion tag on the category's page, for an admin to take care of. It would have been wiser to use the "move" tab to move from the wrong to the new spelling, rather than creating a whole new category; but life's like that. --Orange Mike 13:53, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

You know, I actually looked for the 'move' tab and didn't see it. I'm looking now at some categories and don't see it there either. Am I missing something? Brian Adler 22:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

That seems like a candidate for speedy deletion. Just add the template {{db-c2}} to the category page. See also Wikipedia:Categories for discussion, where categories can be nominated for deletion or merging in more controversial cases, where discussion is needed to establish consensus.

Also, to link to categories without placing the article in that category, place a colon (:) in front of the word Category in the link:

[[:Category:Australian kendoka]]

That also works for linking to image pages. — Ksero (leave me a message, things I've done) 14:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Is this the preferred way to link articles to categories? This is the first I've heard of this method. Brian Adler 22:27, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

No, I think what Ksero is referring to is how you can link to categories on pages without having the article be placed in that category. For example, if I want to add Beavis McBeanhead to a category called "Fictional antlions", I would type [[Category:Fictional antlions]] at the bottom of the Beavis McBeanhead page. But if I wanted to post a note on Talk:Beavis McBeanhead saying, "Hey, shouldn't this article be in Category:Fictional antlions?", I would type [[:Category:Fictional antlions]] on the talk page when i mention the category so that the category link shows up but so that Talk:Beavis McBeanhead is not added to that category. I hope this makes sense. :) — Brian (talk) 01:54, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Moves from userspace to mainspace

I've been working on this: User:AndyJones/Sandbox/Dating Hamlet, and once I've completed it and added the sources I'm thinking of moving it into mainspace as Dating Hamlet. (Although that makes it sounds like Ophelia's sensational autobiography!) Anyway, my only question is whether it's possible to do that across a namespace, as a page move, or do I have to create the page in mainspace first, then copy the info across? AndyJones 13:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

First, you need to read the guidelines about Original Research. I fear that the article is not going to pass these standards, as it does seem to me to fit the description of Original Research; and that's not acceptable here. --Orange Mike 13:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

No idea what you mean. I just mentioned that I would add my sources, which are entirely mainstream scholarly ones. Besides, that was not my question. AndyJones 14:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, you can move from user space to mainspace. This maintains the page history. Here is an example. If you are the only contributor then you can also choose to create a new page and copy the content. Copy-and-paste moves are not allowed when there are other contributors, because the page history is lost and the GFDL not satisfied. PrimeHunter 14:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you both. Will do so as a page move. AndyJones 15:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I have to agree with Orange Mike, that this article is not going to meet Wikipedia's standards. Firstly, it's not an acceptable article subject, unless the date range of Hamlet is itself discussed by independent workds. Speculative timelines are not appropriate articles. It could be, at most, a brief section in the main Hamlet article if you have reliable sources. Leebo ^T/C 16:11, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I do hope you understand, Andy, that none of this is intended to disparage your scholarship in any way. --Orange Mike 16:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Correct. I have no doubt that the content of the article is well-researched, but Wikipedia is likely not the best place for it. Leebo ^T/C 16:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone for commenting, but I find these comments a bit shocking. The whole issue is the subject matter of numerous reliable sources and is widely discussed in academia. I will make the move, and if someone feels the urge to do so they can AfD me, and we'll argue it out there. In the meantime I'll mention this thread at Wikiproject Shakespeare to see if anyone there has a view. AndyJones 17:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that neither Leebo nor OrangeMike are familiar with the scholarship on this. It merits an article and would easily pass an AfD. Wrad 17:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

The content is encyclopedic, but it does not seem to merit a separate article. Also, perhaps this is just an issue created by having a temporary title, but Dating Hamlet would not meet the naming conventions. If this subject is intended to discuss scholarly efforts to date the work (and not just act as a timeline itself) then it should be named something that reflects that. Leebo ^T/C 17:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I really think it merits a separate article. Hamlet is already too long, and there is easily enough info to make Dating a GA, in my opinion. The title name is a small problem, easily fixed. Wrad 18:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I think Date of Hamlet would be a better name if an article is created. Google finds sources using that term [9]. [10] says "the date of Hamlet is one of the most fiercely-disputed topics in literary history". It has apparently caused some confusion that AndyJonesw asked a question about a move to mainspace before adding planned sources to the article. I agree with Orange Mike and Leebo that the current version is unsuited for mainspace, but maybe it will become suited later. PrimeHunter 23:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Warning templates' heading code creates edit problems on user talk pages

Templates such as Template:Web-warn leave headings coded as follows:

{{#if:{{{header|}}}|==[[:{{{1}}}]]==}}

This has the unacceptable result that subsequent sections on talk pages are misnumbered. See for instance User talk:Jojo123450 where the second heading, appearing as Spigit, has the code

{{#if:1|==[[:Spigit]]==}}

The [edit] buttons on the second and third headings pick up the wrong section, apparently because the wiki software does not count the above as a new section for the purposes of

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jojo123450&action=edit&section=2

so the edit program opens the subsequent section instead of that one. If you try and edit the final section, it says that there is no such section.

This needs fixing, but I haven't picked up how to code these things. (Secondary enquiry: is there a reference page on using variables in templates?) - Fayenatic (talk) 13:59, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

This is a bug in the software. I don't know whether it's been reported or not, yet. As a workaround, maybe the templates in question would work if they had a newline between the | and the == in |==? (It would be nice to produce cleaner output, but there's another bug, bug 5678, that prevents one of the more commonly used methods to do this working.) --ais523 14:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

So what's the best way forward? (i) Please will somebody reading this report the bug. (ii) Once it has been reported, how long is it likely to take to be fixed? (iii) In the light of that, is it worth inserting a newline into all the templates that have "|==" ? - Fayenatic (talk) 20:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

download wikipedia on mobile PC

hi there, a friend of mine used to have the whole wikpedia on his mobile PC/palmar and I was wondering a) if that's possible b)how could I do the same and download Wikipedia on my mobile PC ? is there a link in the main page or something? thanks a lot

gio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.243.199.58 (talk) 14:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

What you're probably looking for is to download the current revision of all articles. You can do this here at download.wikimedia.org. Be warned, though, it's a huge file and will take a very long time to download; you'll need to make sure your hard drive has enough space first. If you want other parts of Wikipedia, such as all revisions of articles or non-article pages, you can get them from this page. See also WP:DD for more information on this. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 16:08, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps you mean TomeRaider, it is a shareware application - you could try it to see if it is suitable before forking out $38. You could then download selected wikipedia articles. Г^edʃtǁcɭ 18:51, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

If you're just talking about using Wikipedia on a handheld PC, you may be looking for Wapedia. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 21:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

search

How can I turn off the history data that appears under the search entry when typing in data there70.251.53.51 15:32, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

If you wish to clear auto complete please try the following link:

Internet Explorer & FirefoxAndy^reply 15:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

computer

computer serial port —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.126.166.100 (talk) 15:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

If you have a question regarding a computer port please check out the Computer port (hardware) article or ask at the reference desk. Andy^reply 15:38, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Creating pages

How do you create pages? I have done a search and it comes up with stuff which isn't relevant to what I want, so I want to create the pages but there is no where I can see where you can add pages —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landymad (talk • contribs) 15:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Starting a new page. —Qst (talk) 15:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Before creating an article, please search Wikipedia first to make sure that an article does not already exist on the subject. Please also review a few of our relevant policies and guidelines which all articles should comport with. As Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, articles must not contain original research, must be written from a neutral point of view, should cite to reliable sources which verify their content and must not contain unsourced, negative content about living people.

Articles must also demonstrate the notability of the subject. Please see our subject specific guidelines for people, bands and musicians, companies and organizations and web content and note that if you are closely associated with the subject, our conflict of interest guideline strongly recommends against you creating the article.

If you still think an article is appropriate, see Help:Starting a new page. You might also look at Wikipedia:Your first article and Wikipedia:How to write a great article for guidance, and please consider taking a tour through the Wikipedia:Tutorial so that you know how to properly format the article before creation. --ais523 15:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Creating pages

Why can't you create pages when there is nothing about what u search for? there used to be a button which gave you the option to create the page, where has it gone? Why is it more difficult to create pages? I've looked on the links any they haven't helped me at all —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landymad (talk • contribs) 16:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

If you search for a title and it doesn't exist, you'll see "You searched for [whatever]" at the top of the page. [whatever] will be a red link you can click on to start the page. Alternatively, you could go to Help:Starting a new page. Leebo ^T/C 16:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

creating pages

I do a search for Warn and it gives the answer "The word warn may refer to:" then gives a list of stuff which I'm not refering to and there is no red link or anything to create the page as the warn I want to write doesn't have anything to do with the stuff in the list —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landymad (talk • contribs) 16:12, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

What form of "warn" do you wish to address, that merits a separate article? --Orange Mike 16:14, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

(edit conflict) You should click the [edit] link on one of the existing sections you've created instead of starting new threads for each comment you make. In this case, what kind of subject is the "Warn" you want to discuss? You'd need to create a disambiguation for it. For instance, if there's a novel called "Warn", you'd have to create a page called Warn (novel). Leebo ^T/C 16:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Its for warn winches —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landymad (talk • contribs) 16:16, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

You're talking about the company called Warn, correct. That page would be Warn Industries. Leebo ^T/C 16:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

no. Its about winches not cars —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landymad (talk • contribs) 16:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Same parent company makes both. I don't think the winches alone merit an article. Leebo ^T/C 16:22, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

u from america because in UK warn just do winches no cars —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landymad (talk • contribs) 16:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with Warn beyond this discussion, and my location does not impact my interpretation of Warn.com which says "The WARN Works® line of utility winches and hoists are specifically designed for professional trade workers and do-it-yourself consumers." They make both. Perhaps you're trying to say there is a US company called Warn that makes off-road equipment and winches, while there is also a UK company called Warn that only makes winches, but this seems unlikely to me. Leebo ^T/C 16:26, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

So how can I create a page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Landymad (talk • contribs) 16:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Search for the exact title you want to create. I recommended Warn Industries above, but if you are convinced that's not the warn winch company you're talking about, think of a different title. Leebo ^T/C 16:40, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Merge to tag problem

I'm going to start a merge project (Sulfa drug into Sulfonamide (medicine)) I know what needs to be done in terms of the information move and the eventual redirect. But the merge tag I want to put up top is giving me trouble. When I make one in the sand box the link that is supposed to go to Sulfonamide (medicine) ends up going to Wikipedia:Sulfonamide (medicine) which is not what I want. What am I doing wrong? I really want to get started on this properly.Lizz612 16:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

You're talking about the Wikipedia:Sandbox? Well, that page is in the Wikipedia namespace, which is why it's applying the same namespace to the location you're placing as the parameter value. If you preview your edit on the page you want to do it (without saving) it should look right. Leebo ^T/C 16:42, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Ah! I see now, thank you. Lizz612 17:18, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Bonafide computation-powered permutation generator!

I have in my possesion a spreadsheet file, capable of accepting three lists of words and arranging them into a single list of the possible permutations. For example: (E. coli/Escherichia coli/bacterial/bacteria/yeast/Saccharomyces cerevisiae/S. cerevosoiae) (two hybrid/two-hybrid) (*nothing*/test/screen/screening/method/analysis). In total, that's 7x2x6 = 84 possible permutations! The list created can be used with another program (autoWikiBrowser, I think it's called) to quickly create redirects as appropriate. I want to make the file available to others to use, so that they may ease the irritating task of creating masses of redirects. What should I do next? --Seans Potato Business 17:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Database crash? What database crash?

A user who had trouble signing in was told the account was old and must have preceded "the" database crash, suggesting this was a big event, as opposed to "a" database crash. I have read that there are multiple servers so it wouldn't be a big deal if something happened to one, but what is "the" crash to which the user referred?Vchimpanzee 17:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't User:Jimbo Wales have predated such a crash? Anyway, I've heard of a mixup that resulted in the histories of some articles being lost in the transition between different software phases, but it didn't relate to user accounts. Leebo ^T/C 17:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Read m:February 2005 server crash for more information on it. Some information was lost from before that date. Woodym555 17:55, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

repairs

I purchased a 2006 Sorento from McCafferty Kia in Mechanicsburg, PA,

I purchased this car in 10/06. At that time the temoerture read- out seemed to work fine, however, as the weather warmed, it was incorrect less & less. McCafferty has replaced the senor twice and replaced the read-out inside also. They have reported that they now have problems with others. They are supposed to be in touch with you regarding this problem. As of yet, I have not heard of a result. That's why I'm reporting this direct to you.

Dianna R. Clouse ...personal details removed...—Preceding unsigned comment added by Dianna Clouse (talk • contribs) 18:33, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, this page is for questions about using Wikipedia. You could take your question to the Reference Desk but I suspect the answer might be that we are an online encyclopedia and have no relationship with or influence over your Kia dealership. You best avenue for help might well be to go back to McCafferty and put your concerns to them. I took the liberty of removing your personal details - this page is highly visible across the internet and publishing such details is laying yourself open to uninvited email SPAM, unwanted visitors, and perhaps worse. Astronaut 18:56, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

They were supposed to be in contact with us? The users watching the help desk at Wikipedia? Perhaps you were not directed to the appropriate website? Leebo ^T/C 19:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I just edited a page and do not see it

I edited sock monkey pop culture and do not see it. Did I do something wrong? I saw it on the preview, but not once I saved it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monkeysisters (talk • contribs) 18:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

If you didn't save it, then your edits were not completed. You must click the "Save page" button for your changes to take effect. If I misunderstood and you did save your edits, it's possible the page you created was deleted by an administrator. You may want to review the criteria for speedy deletion if that is the case. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:17, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

editing a page

I just edited a page on sock monkeys concerning pop culture. I saw it when I previewed what I did, but not when I hit save. I just asked this question a minute ago, but forgot to sign it. So I am trying again and I apoligize for submitting this twice. Thank you for helping me to figure out why my editing did not work. Monkeysisters 18:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

We have a page on sock monkeys if that's any help. Astronaut 19:10, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Could someone please start a page on this?

I apologise if I am inconveniencing staff here, but I've gone through every tutorial and cannot find a way to actually START a new article. All I've succeeded in finding are page upon page of HOW to write an article.

My request is this. As I am currently pressed for time, could someone more knowledgeable on the functions of this site begin an article on this? It is centred on the Sci-fi novel Carnosaur by Harry Adam Knight, which was adapted into a film (an article of which is featured on Carnosaur (film)).

Again, apologies for my ignorance.

Carnosaur

Author	Harry Adam Knight
Language	English
Genre	Horror
Publisher	Star
Publication date	1984
Publication place	United Kingdom
Media type	Paperback)
Pages	208 pp
ISBN	ISBN 0352314478

Carnosaur (1984) is a horror novel written by Australian author John Brosnan, under the pseudonym of Harry Adam Knight. A film adaptation was made in 1993 by Roger Corman.

Plot

The novel takes place in a rural village in England, and opens in a chicken farm which is attacked one night by a mysterious creature, leaving the farmer and his wife dead. A story circulates that the killer was a Siberian Tiger which had escaped the private zoo of an eccentric lord called Penward. A reporter named Pascal investigates the carnage and notices that the blood stained room where the attack has taken place has been thoroughly cleansed in a seeming attempt at covering the killers footprints. A few days later, the creature attacks a stable, killing a horse, the keeper and her daughter, leaving one survivor, an 8 year old boy. Pascal arrives at the scene, only to find Penward's men already there, towing a concealed animal with a helicopter. Pascal interviews the boy who reveals that the killer was not a tiger, but a dinosaur. Pascal moves on to begin a sexual relationship with Penward's nymphomaniac wife, who eventually takes him to her private quarters. From there, Pascal enters the private zoo, only to discover that it is filled with dinosaurs. He is captured and given a private tour of the establishment. He sees a variety of different species, mostly carnivorous, including the dinosaur that had escaped earlier which is identified as a Deinonychus, a sexually frustrated Megalosaurus and a Tarbosaurus. Penward explains that he recreated the dinosaurs by studying the DNA fragments found in dinosaur fossils, then using them as a basis for restructuring the DNA of chickens. He goes as far as saying that he intends to let his dinosaurs loose in remote areas of the world where they could flourish and eventually spread after what he considers an inevitable Third World War. Pascal is imprisoned, only to be rescued by Lady Penward. As they make their escape, Pascal notices that his ex-girlfriend Jenny, a reporter herself, has been caught in the act of infiltrating Penwards zoo. Enraged at his insistance on helping her, Lady Penward releases the dinosaurs and other animals present in the zoo. Lord Penward is seriously wounded by an escaped bull and captures his maddened wife. Pascal and Jenny escape to the authorities, but are not believed until reports begin flooding in on mysterious deaths. A pleasure boat is attacked by a Plesiosaurus, a Dilophosaurus kills an MP and the Tarbosaurus destroys a pub before invading people's gardens. The army is called, and soon many dinosaurs are killed. The next day, Pascal goes to visit Jenny at her home, only to find her badly injured, and her family dead; killed by a Deinonychus which Pascal kills with a pitchfork. Meanwhile, the dying Lord Penward imprisons his wife in a farmhouse, where she is devoured alive by newly hatched Tyrannosauruses.

Featured dinosaurs

• Deinonychus
• Megalosaurus
• Plesiosaurus
• Tarbosaurus
• Dilophosaurus
• Brachiosaurus
• Scolosaurus
• Altispinax
• Tyrannosaurus —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dark hyena (talk • contribs) 19:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I think you're looking for Help:Starting a new page or Wikipedia:Your first article. If that still doesn't work out for you, you can post your article at Articles for creation and they'll review it. Before you do either, though, be aware that you'll need to include multiple reliable sources for verification of the material you added. Articles without proper referencing may be deleted. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 20:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Numbers!!

When someone edits wikipedia, on the watchlist, there is a number next to every edit. Either it's a negative number: (-203) or a positive number: (+203)

Can someone tell me what in God's name are these numbers, what do they represent, and why are they different colors? Thanks, Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 19:44, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It's simply the change in the size of an article from the edit in question. +203 would mean that the article became 203 bytes larger. Green is a visual representation of the positive value, red for negative. Leebo ^T/C 19:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Article assessment

Who makes the article importence, and the article class assessments? Juliancolton 19:45, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Users involved in WikiProjects assess the importance and quality of articles falling under within their coverage. You could ask on a WikiProjects talk page why certain articles were assessed in certain ways. Leebo ^T/C 19:49, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

changing title of an article

is there any way to change the title of an article?

i'd like to change Hatteras networks to Hatteras Networks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ewillingham (talk • contribs) 20:13, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

It seems that someone else did it. However, in the future, you can use the move tab at the top of the page. See Help:Moving a page for details. Sephiroth BCR ^(Converse) 20:21, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

See Help:Moving a page for some information. You need to use the move tab at the top of the page which i have done for you. I must tell you though, it needs a substantial rewrite to avoid possible deletion. It is written like an advertisement and could be speedied under the WP:CSD criteria as blatant advertisement. It also needs verifiable third-party sources which it does not have at the moment. Woodym555 20:24, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Ewillingham created his account today, so he wouldn't have access to the move tab for 3 more days. When you are unable to move a page (either because your account is too young, the page is move protected, or because the desired location already exists) you can request that an administrator perform the move at Wikipedia:Requested moves. Leebo ^T/C 20:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, i was about to say that, but instead I had to delete it as a copyvio of [11]. Woodym555 20:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

deletion

how do i delete a page about me? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mpodd6 (talk • contribs) 20:31, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Who are you, and why would the article need to be deleted? We do have rules and procedures for these matters. --Orange Mike 20:34, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Are you claiming to be Michael Podgorski? --Orange Mike 20:39, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Typically such requests are not honored, but since the article has a very weak claim to belonging on Wikipedia, I've nominated it at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Podgorski. Leebo ^T/C 20:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Adding a pic that shares a filename with a different pic

I've created a page about the astronaut Anthony Llewellyn and wanted to add a picture of him to the info box. I wandered over to Commons to see if there was one already uploaded and there it is - filename Llewellyn.jpg. When I add that file name to my page, it brings up a picture of a piece of coal from the Llewellyn Formation that also has the filename Llewellyn.jpg.

I've read through the help pages and believe I've followed the correct file for adding an image, and am not sure what to do next.

Any help would be much appreciated. --Whoosher 20:48, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Re-upload it as in Commons. Then use that image name here. Then follow the Commons:Deletion guidelines, i think you want the {{bad name }} tag. That is the only way around it I think. Anthony Llewellyn is a bit more descriptive anyway. Hope this helps. Woodym555 22:19, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

• Just give it a different name than the existing file. Woody's suggestion seems like a good idea. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:37, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

That's great, thanks very much for your help. I was a bit nervous about uploading a duplicate image without confirmation that that was the right thing to do. Thanks again!--Whoosher 22:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

personal anecdote re Errol Flynn & his wikipedia

I had a personal anecdotal experience with Errol Flynn. I am not a good enough judge (editor?) as to whether it would add interest to his wikipedia, and where to place it in his wikipedia if it is considered to be of worthy interest.

I would like to think in terms of creating the article and submitting it to your review committee for further decision as to including it in his profile.

Sincerely yours, Fred A. Fairbanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.110.30.152 (talk) 20:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your consideration regarding the Errol Flynn article, but please be aware that Wikipedia has a strict policy of verifiability. If your experience cannot be verified by a reliable source apart from yourself, it is not possible to include it in the article. Leebo ^T/C 20:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Posting data in a table

Is it possible to post data on a Wiki in a table format? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.188.52.252 (talk) 21:50, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes, see Help:Table for more information. Leebo ^T/C 22:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Crash cover

I would like to add comments to: "Talk:Crash cover" but I cannot find out on the Wikipedia website how to do it.

Please explain how I can add my comments.Aerophil 21:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

While viewing Crash cover, click the Discussion at the top of the page. That will take you to Talk:Crash cover where you can click the "+" tab to add a section, or you can add to an existing section by clicking its Edit button. Sbowers3 23:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

How do I edit the taxt on the following page: "Crash Cover"?

When I click on edit, it brings up the section below the main text.Aerophil 22:00, 12 November 2007 (UTC).

Click the "edit this page" tab at the top of the screen to edit the entire page at once. Leebo ^T/C 22:06, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Help!

How can I tell if I am Jewish? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.90.198.171 (talk) 23:41, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Have you tried the Humanities section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. NF24^{(radio me!}_{Editor review)} 23:43, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

That said, the page Who is a Jew? might help you. Raven4x4x 23:46, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

November 13

Contents

On many pages, there is the contents/index at the beggining. How do I put this in my user talk page? Lex^{94 Talk Contributions Guest Book} 00:15, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

You had a keyword on your talk page which prevented the TOC from showing up. I removed it. --Sopoforic 00:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) You can force a table of contents to appear before the first heading by adding the text __FORCETOC__ (FORCETOC with two underscores to either side) anywhere on the page. You can also place the table of contents any where on the page you like by adding __TOC__ where you can it. If you check my talk page, for example, you'll see that I'm forcing the TOC to appear in the table I use as a page header. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 00:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

You added __NOTOC__ in [12]. And you made it a "featured article" in [13]. I suggest you remove that. PrimeHunter 01:01, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

When an article is in need of a complete rewrite

I just ran across Samuel Guze. Not only has this article been tagged for a lack of sources for over a year, but it's a POV mess. What are my options? AfD doesn't seem appropriate, but it needs to be completely rewritten. Are there any noticeboards for such a situation? Corvus cornix 00:46, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, we have {{rewrite}} which will put it in a category. Sadly there are many such articles. --Sopoforic 00:51, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

(what's this?) too close to edit summary bar

Hi. The link I just mentioned is too close to the edit summary bar. Multiple times, I've tried to click on the edit summary bar but accidentally clicked on the link instead, as the page changed in size from finishing loading. This can cause one to lose an edit summary, and at times, a whole edit, if the user tries to click on the back button. Can we please either have the link open in a new window like the editting help bar, or move it just far enough away from the edit summary bar so that there is little chance of clicking on it when you want to click on the edit summary bar? This may even cause some people to discourage themselves from using edit summaries, but that is just speculation. I'm not sure where such a comment is supposed to go, so I'll put it here. I'm also not sure if it's the admins, crats, or devs who take care of this. Please reply, and do someting about it if possible. Thanks. ~AH1^(TCU) 01:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

• Usually, your edit summary and edit should stay as long as you click back in your browser. -- Jack 01:04, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

If you want to propose a software change, you might do it at WP:VP/T. I've had trouble like this (i.e. the page shifting as it finishes loading) too, and I solved it by turning off the javascript editing toolbar in my preferences. If you don't use the editing toolbar, you might try that. --Sopoforic 01:06, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Unpublished contribution

How do I cite an unpublished academic paper which substantially challenges and revises the conventional wisdom of published authors cited in an existing Wikipedia article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by RHS61 (talk • contribs) 01:09, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

You can't. Unpublished papers are not considered reliable sources for Wikipedia, which is a collection of previously published and criticized information. They are deemed original research, which is explicitly excluded from our pages. --Orange Mike 01:20, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

my contribution

I contributed an article to Wikipedia entitled "Inter-ictal spiking". I am not very computer literate; why are there so many tags attached to my article and what can I do to make it acceptable to Wikipedia editors?

Thank you for your help. --Carriesmom 01:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It's only got two tags on it. The most relevant one is the "Wikify" tag. Follow the link right there on the tag, and it will advise you: Wikify! Make links to other articles, format the lead (first sentence), and arrange section headers as described at Wikipedia:Guide to layout. It's also tagged as a stub, which implies that the article needs to be lengthened, probably by putting it into context within the field of which it is a part. --Orange Mike 01:23, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Slight change to article title I just created

Hello. I just created the article, "Barvaux s/o, Belgium" and now realize it might be better searchable as "Barvaux-sur-Ourthe, Belgium". Is there a way to edit the title of an article I created today?

Thank you.

NBuron —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nburon (talk • contribs) 01:34, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

You will need to move the article using the 'move' tab at the top of the page. Note that you may not be able to do this if you have registered your account very recently (within the last 3 days or so). --Sopoforic 01:36, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Moved and fixed up the article. --TeaDrinker 02:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Deletion of User Talk pages

If a user is banned and doesn't file for a request for an unblock for over four months, should their user talk page be deleted? I don't see a reason to have one if it is not needed and not used anymore. Thanks! Marlith ^T/C 02:05, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure whether you're referring to banned users or blocked users, but either way, the user talk pages are usually retained in case anyone wants to see the history of the page, which would include disputes and/or incidences of vandalism that may have led to their block/ban. The page will often be replaced with an indef blocked or banned notice, but the history should remain generally visible. Pyrospirit (talk · contribs) 03:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I speak of banned users. Thanks. Marlith ^T/C 05:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

How can others find my page?

Media:Example.ogg

I just created a page called "Reading Span and Lexical Ambiguity Resolution." When I type in relevant search terms into the search box, my page does not come up. How will others be able to find my page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ashkap813 (talk • contribs) 03:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

You might want to try again. I found it at Reading_Span_and_Lexical_Ambiguity_Resolution. It appears that the article has currently been flagged for deletion though, with the reason that "it appears to constitute original research", which, if true, isn't permissible. To discuss this, go to the article's talk page. Best, --Bfigura ^(talk) 04:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I have a question about the search area. I canot see what I am typing in the search box or the subject/headline box of this message it is a thin line. What is wrong? I want to know if it is the site or my computer. If it is my computer how can I fix it?--75.206.84.185 04:49, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Please email me at selkethanson@yahoo.com Jennifer L.

Rasmussen Search

I created a page for Jack Rasmussen but when I search under the surname Rasmussen his page does not pop up. How do I fix that?

Ks9887a 05:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)