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Nevermind the fact that I got linked to it from like four people I know--none of them even being *members* of WoW/4chan/etc. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 08:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Nevermind the fact that I got linked to it from like four people I know--none of them even being *members* of WoW/4chan/etc. [[User:71.60.159.181|71.60.159.181]] 08:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


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==Yahoo! answers reference for rickroll==
==Yahoo! answers reference for rickroll==

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Astley responds to the internet meme?

The below by --213.202.188.251 is an example of RickRoll, or basic social engineering, or playing on people's belief/gullibility. Surely the "RickRoll" meme phenomenon would go under these items, just as Tubgirl and goatse, however they are known over the internet, where as a RickRoll is only known amongst a community visiting one site. Miles 2397 22:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Except that it's spread to many community sites, and become an internet phenom. You can't waive the cultural impact of goatse or tubgirl just because it's "on the internet" and you don't like it. I think RickRolling is relevant to either this or the primary Astley page. Anonymous 04:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe we could get verification from this interview where Rick discusses the phenomenon where people link to his video on YouTube. It might be relevant to his other article. --213.202.188.251 23:12, 20 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Argh, duckrolled! Snarfies 02:33, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sir, you are a genius. Liu Bei 13:55, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ha ha, ha ha, very funny. I'm tempted to delete it out of my obligatory duty to Wiki, but nah, I approve. Casull 02:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So, this is the Rick Roll song? I'm assuming since I just reverted a very dedicated and constructive vandal who replaced everything with RICK ROLL? Userpie 19:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

s:This is the Rickroll song. And personally, I've always liked this song. I think maybe we ought to consider adding "Rickrolling" to the article? Maybe? There's a whole friggin' article on the Dancing Banana. I don't see the need for a separate article on "rickrolling" (or duckrolling, shrimprolling), but maybe I'm wrong... "rickroll" currently redirects here. Snarfies 01:16, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

RULES 1 AND 2 PEOPLE!! 

    Which, incidentally, don't refer to memes. gb2/lurking/

    >don't refer to memes
    Seconded.

    >don't refer to memes
    Seconded.
    Thirded.
What makes you think an anonymous sub-culture, such as an imageboard, is honestly bound by any of those rules? Even if they were slightly respected, why would you expect them to apply at all to Wikipedia? --Android Mouse 03:58, 26 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

the "rules" in that picture(the rules are a Meme by itself) are called "rules of the Internet". http://i17.tinypic.com/6fkjbe1.jpg MidNiteNeko 11:44, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What retard said this?

"STOP ADDING THE "RICKROLL" PART; GET A REFERENCE OR SHUT UP ALSO RULES 1 AND 2 FAGS". That's ridiculous. Look at the fool things people frequently add in Trivia, usually with no references. Rickrolling should definitely be in this article. Wikipedia is supposed to be the encyclopedia that ISN'T held back by codgy old naysayers. Wtf is this? 24.159.60.51 04:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have a feeling that the "RULES 1 AND 2" references 4chan.com's rules, which are something like the Fight Club rules where you're not supposed to talk about it. I guess they're worried that more unintelligent people would chime in on their already unintelligent threads. The fags part, however.... I wish I knew how to report. That seems a little out of line >.<Jklharris 07:56, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The thing about Rules 1 and 2 for 4chan relating to this is that they don't want people finding out the meme is from there and joining their community because of it. They'd much rather people just thought it originated from the World of Warcraft forums rather than get the publicity for it.81.86.117.129 14:53, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

To meme or not to meme, that is the question

Should we include the meme? Seriously. If you don't know what it is, it's something from somewhere, maybe 4chan, where you post a seemingly related youtube link to a music video for this song. This is called Rick rolling, rick roll'd, etc. Now, let's be stop this edit war. I'm no sysop but I'll gladly be bold and start this discussion. Userpie 18:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this page.

I'm closing this poll because a mention of the meme has been in the article (with a reference) for some time now. --Android Mouse 19:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support

  • Support Memes are encyclopedic content. I'd hate to the Pokemon defense, but if we have an article for every Pokemon, why can't we include a paragraph about something exrremely popular in GameFAQs, the World of Warcraft forums, etc.? Userpie 18:30, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Some people want to know, if nothing else then for "lulz" and if the meme dies, then the artical can die. Whatever. Suya 22:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

-- Steve Irwin died. Did his article? no.

  • Support as a part of the article on "Never Gonna Give You Up". Obviously the meme is losing steam, but even if it ended today it'll be months on the "effected" sites before people will click on any link, let alone a Youtube link, and not expect to see this video come up. Jklharris 09:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support If Dragonball AF, one of the oldest, glorified memes in anime culture can sustain an article here, so too can the references to the Astley meme. An impending cover by Nickleback on their next album and the cover of the song on Family Guy will also sustain the meme.

Dr. R.KZ. 11:20 23rd May 2007 (UTC)

Comment Where did you get the Nickleback info from? Because that can be turned into an actual citation. Snarfies 12:24, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Nickleback info came from this very article.

The article says Nickelback is recording a cover. What does it have to do with "rickrolling?" Snarfies 12:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Dr. R.KZ. 13:31 23rd May 2007

It'll sustain the meme. Band covers song currently popular, you'll hear "Nickrickroll"

Dr. R.KZ. 20:05 23rd May 2007

  • Support 45,000 google hits from a wide variety of sources, including non-English ones. Okay, nothing "official" (unless you count http://answers.yahoo.com), but to deny the existance of "rickroll" would seem foolish. "Rules 1 and 2" need not be violated, if you're somebody concerned about that sort of thing. Snarfies 12:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Rickroll, and the rickrollers are valid entities on the internet and even if this only comes out to be a stub, we should at least mention it as a reference to internet pop-culture.
  • Support - When I keep hearing about some Rickroll thing, guess where I first went to loop up what the hell was going on? Wikipedia. We've got plenty of information on memes. I don't see any reason not to include this pretty notable fad regarding what would otherwise be just your everyday old and dead pop single. --Nintendorulez talk 20:54, 24 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Rick Rolling isn't going to stop because a few people on Wikipedia don't want to acknowledge its existence. Its out there, it happens. No one denies this. Therefore it should be documented. 24.126.225.9 03:48, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Damn, I done got Rickrolled. You bastards. --Kurt Shaped Box 21:26, 26 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
grrrr i got rickrolled too.
That is one of the best Rick Rolls I have ever been tricked by.
I would've fallen for it if I hadn't seen the replies right there. But I clicked on it anyway to enjoy the Rickrollin'. --Nintendorulez talk 07:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very Strongly Support This entire argument is ridiculous. Rickrolling has been around for years; it wasn't because of the Family Guy episode "Meet the Quagmires" (like many people believe). Astley himself recognizes this fad and his song "Never Gonna Give You Up" was featured on Family Guy. Appearing on Family Guy is almost like appearing on The Simpsons; once you're on The Simpsons, you've made it big time. I'd say being on Family Guy is pretty notable, you know, seeing as an average of 8 million people watch it every week. Doodoobutter 15:40, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Support Rickrolling is real. It happens a lot, and it is a very big and popular thing. Hell, it's even been on TV. Although I'm sure some people here want to pretend it never existed, the fact is that rickrolling is well known and significant. Lecher
  • Support It is already included in the Rick Astley article. It could at least get copy 'n pasted here.
  • Support added note An article has already been created. Rickroll ThunderPower 23:10, 2 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Unless the five times I've ended up on that video are a figment of my imagination... And apparently your article was "patent nonsense". This has been around for over a month, and you should remember that we're talking about a game that has several million players, as well as the best known gaming community on the internet. The Youtube videos speaks for themselves, having a combined total of well over 1.7 million hits between them. --217.42.242.45 21:37, 4 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support You may not like it, but it is notable since it's everywhere. Thunk 00:38, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It's notable, it just can't be cited properly. 65.41.82.241 03:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly support its a phenomenon thats happening on the internet now. people might get the link to rick roll and not get it. i certainly looked up this article today searching for "rick roll" in order to find out why everyone seemed to be linking to him as a joke. im glad the info was there.
  • Strongly support The show Family Guy actually "Rockrolled" its entire audience. I think that is a good enough reason to add information about it. The episode having that song was not a coincidence, you know. At the height of Rickrolling, they Rickrolled the entire nation. -Brandon Harwell
  • Support Something this widespread is definitely WP-worthy. It's not your usual blahblah encyclopedic readings, but then again, WP isn't supposed to be your usual encyclopedia. If it were, I wouldn't care about it. Exigence 19:39, 15 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose

  • Strongly Oppose The true test of a meme is if it's notable days or weeks later. Most memes die out rather quickly, and lose notability very fast. As you can tell, there are very few memes on Wikipedia for this reason. If somehow this becomes a WELL-KNOWN (i.e. not on 4chan, GameFAQS message boards, etc.), but mentioned, and even covered by reliable sources, then perhaps an article can be done on it. Wildthing61476 18:34, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This meme has been around for years, not since Family Guy first showed it. It's now that the song was featured on Family Guy that this mem has been brough into the light again. Doodoobutter 15:22, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Oppose Stupid Internet inside jokes or "memes" as neckbeards like to call them, are not encyclopedic material. Get a life.
  • Oppose This isn't really the realm of WP I think, this is more enycyclopediadramatica's realm. If you wanted to create a single topic of "internet lulz history" or something, where this, Dancing banana, ect, could link to, then go for it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miles 2397 (talk • contribs)
  • Strongly Oppose A meme of this small calibre is not worthy of an encyclopedic article. something like this would be found on the Lurkmoar wiki, but not wikipedia. --Kommando 03:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strongly Oppose keep this sort of thing where it belongs, we don't need it to become mainstream and popular
  • Why did my vote get erased I am strongly opposed to that
  • Strongly Oppose It's just an internet meme and an attempt by 4chan.org to vandalize wikipedia. It will die out soon and it is not well known outside of a handful of websites.

Removing trivia and uncited rumors

I don't see the reason to include the following trivia in the article:

The rock band Nickelback has recorded a cover of this song to be put on their upcoming album.

The show Family Guy referenced this song in the episode "Meet the Quagmires" when Brian played the song at a dance in 1984 and, in :reference to the movie Back to the Future, Rick Astley's "cousin", Marvin, called Rick to show him the song.

The show "It's Always Sunny In Philadelphia" referenced this song in the episode "Charlie Has Cancer" when it is sung by Dennis :Reynolds while driving.

I could see the first sentence staying in the article, if it were cited. Without a citation it is nothing more than speculation, which means it shouldn't be here. The second and third sentence are akin to the rampant Simpsons cultural references that are in so many articles. It has previously been discussed and shown a consensus for removing such unnotable factoids from articles on WP:VP. --Android Mouse 20:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

dead meme is DEAD

The whole rickroll thing is pretty much dead now. Might as well remove it. lancelottjones 15:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen it numerous times in the last few days. Thunk 00:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The perfect way to kill a meme. Just say it's dead. Kip the Dip 05:15, 7 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Don't post the rickroll meme.

It is well known on one website, it has no place in a formal Encylopedia.60.240.172.172 19:03, 7 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nevermind the fact that I got linked to it from like four people I know--none of them even being *members* of WoW/4chan/etc. 71.60.159.181 08:12, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

www.internetisseriousbusiness.com FiringRange (talk) 22:25, 21 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yahoo! answers reference for rickroll

A better reference needs to be provided. Yahoo! answers is no more reliable than Urban Dictionary. --OnoremDil 03:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I only put it on the article for a temporary solution until something better was found, although there may not be anything better to replace it with, in which case it should probably be removed. --Android Mouse 07:17, 28 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I've removed the information as a non-notable neologism whose significance is unverifiable. DarkSaber2k 13:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I support that. In spite of the fact that many of us may personally know what "rickroll" is, anecdotal evidence is not a reliable source. Until one is found that demonstrates notability the inclusion of the meme here is not really acceptable. Arkyan &#149; (talk) 14:52, 29 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
If only the SPAs at Rick Astleys main article could understand that.... DarkSaber2k 08:38, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

http://www.wigantoday.net/the-goss?articleid=2959023 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.48.204.53 (talk • contribs)

I'm adding the section back with the new link posted above. If anyone has objections, feel free to discuss. --Android Mouse 19:02, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

rickroll & family guy

someone should probably say how this sing was prominantly placed in a family guy episode reffering to the song as "a song written by a gay guy" which placed the song back into the spotlight and resulted in a contemporary "rick rolling" fad. i would do it myself but i am lazy as hell and enjoy commanding other -c76.48.204.53 07:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There needs to be a citation that states that the family guy episode is what spurred the meme. --Android Mouse 19:10, 7 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Rickroll was happening way before Family Guy used the song. The meme is born from the less widespread Duckroll meme, it had nothing to do with Family Guy.

Family Guy rick roll'd us all, so I added it under popular culture. --IMandIR 21:08, 24 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately someone thinks this isn't notable enough somehow, despite quite possibly being the most mainstream attention the song has received since its heyday. 71.139.184.80 07:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Origin

Does anyone know the origin of the Rick'roll? 148.100.219.158 04:09, 23 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It started on 4chan´s /v/ imageboard. - !Malomeat 00:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No It started on Gamefaqs... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.237.183.164 (talk) 09:19, 11 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

>>Gamefag lol, dream on. And I can actually back this up, I screencapped the first rickroll. It was born on the release day of gta4 trailer on the /v/ board. Encylopediadramatica.com/rickroll (oh shi-!) Skion 09:54, 28 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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