Talk:Sajmište concentration camp

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I removed irrelevant 'references' and added the relevant ones. Some claims in the existing text supported by proper footnotes. Corrected some inaccuracies - the camp was on the territory of the Independent State of Croatia and not in Serbia - contributed by an anonymous user 4.249.3.164

The Trial of Adolf Eichmann Session 46 (Part 1 of 6)

State Attorney Bar-Or: Here it is evident that Weizsaecker, the Secretary of State, wants to rid the Foreign Ministry of the practical day-to-day dealings with this matter.

I go on to document No. 653, a note from Rademacher to Luther on 8 December 1941. Benzler has come to Berlin from Belgrade and has informed him over the telephone that:

"A change has occurred in the plan for the method of dealing with the Serbian Jews; the Jews would no longer be taken to a Serbian island, but to the Semlin camp instead. The island which had been envisaged originally was inundated. The Croats had agreed that the Jews be taken to Semlin as a transit camp. Minister Benzler asked that the Jews be therefore taken East as soon as possible. I replied that this would be out of the question before the spring, because deportation from Germany had priority. Even deportation in the spring was still in doubt."

It is impossible, after all, to deport all the Jews to the East all at once.

--Guivon 03:18, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

contributed by an anonymous user 4.249.3.164

4.249.3.164 is not really so much of an anonymus. It is user :Guivon, who is actualy user:Purger aka user:Velebit aka Category:Suspected Wikipedia sockpuppets of Purger aka Category:Wikipedia sockpuppets of Velebit. Please note that User:4.249.3.159 and User:4.249.3.28 are proven sockpuppets of this known vandal.

What we need here is one big CU analysis and solving the problem for good. This vandal is disrupting wikipedia for 2 years already. I thing it's high time to get rid of him. --Ante Perkovic 12:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

• Just to add to that, the result of an IP request to see if user:Guivon is, in fact, the latest sock puppet of that individual was "very likely". Unfortunately, the administor who responded to my post on the Administrator's noticeboard described the problem with Guivon as a run-of-the-mill content dispute, despite me providing several examples of Guivon making insulting comments on talk pages. Perhaps more action would be taken if other editors would be willing to speak up to administrators. Spylab 17:46, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Direct quotes are too long

I just noticed that there are huge sections of direct quotes from a book in this article. Those quotes should be condensed, because Wikipedia isn't just supposed to copy and paste big chunks of text from other sources. The two very long quotes may even be a copyright violation, but I'm not certain.Spylab 11:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

This is hilarious - it remembers me to a Viennese Royal Opera director who once claimed that Mozart's Figaro had too many notes! Quotes to be condensed??? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.249.9.127 (talk) 23:18, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

See WP:QUOTE for Wikipedia's guidelines on using quotes. (Also note that 4.249.9.127 (talk · contribs) is a suspected sock puppet of a permanently and repeatedly-banned individual).Spylab 23:48, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Note related to my August 30 2007 fix

This user Spylab does not read this article nor references given in this article even though he was warned about it several times. He requested reference for numbers of victims given in this article, even though the reference is given along with the quote (Dr Hinko Salz's testimony, Adolf Eichmann Trial, Tel Aviv 1961)

The second problem with his 'correction' is insertion of even though between these two sentences

As of 2006 Sajmište is still not a memorial center. On February 11, 1993, the European parliament adopted the Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments.

which turns both statements into a false claim. The document (Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments) is just a set of recommendations - not obligatory to anyone, nor it mentione Sajmiste at all. But Spylab's 'correction' suggest that there are some obligations not fullfilled by someone. --4.249.6.37 02:45, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

• Note that the above comment was posted by a sock puppet of an individual who has been permanently-banned from posting on Wikipedia due to personal attacks, disruptive edits and sock puppetry. Spylab 12:37, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

August 21st 2006 edit

I removed the 'more-sources' tag as a baseless one. Every single sentence and data in this article are fully and extensively covered by the list of given references. Whoever wants to edit this article is obliged to give a sound proof that he had read all the references thoroughly.

Re-wording the existing text is legal only if it preserves meaning of the original text. This re-wording [1] baselessly changed meaning of the first two sentences of the original text. If it is aimed to change the initial meaning - then it shall be previously discussed and justified on the talk pages.

'Editing' a (document) title -as it was done in the same re-wording - is wrong, as per the English language grammar. To be more particular, the document title

Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments

was turned into

Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as historical monuments

Also, I changed the number of imprisoned and killed people in order to make them consistent to those seen in the references.

--Guivon 00:30, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

• Note that Guivon is a now-banned confirmed sock puppet of a permanently and repeatedly-banned individual.Spylab 12:48, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Sept 6th 2007

I did not find it rational mentioning that Sajmiste was on the Belgrade outsikirts - not a singe reference found it rational. Moreover - it introduces ambiguity (occupied territory of Serbia vs. Independent State of Croatia)

Security Police is definitely not German Sichersheit Polizei - no need for this false linkage.

The Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments document has jurisdiction only over EU i.e. over her member states and it is not written to cover all concentration camps in Europe. So, this document is mentioned here out of the article context.

Linkages like As of 2006 are meaningless due to the fact that the text under such a link does not have any information related to this article —Preceding unsigned comment added by 4.249.75.44 (talk) 01:45, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Un-referenced

I completely removed

On February 11, 1993, the European parliament adopted the Resolution on European and International Protection of Concentration Camps as Historical Monuments. However, it seems this does not pertain to

for seeing that reference as given leads nowhere. If someone can find online information about this resolution - it's ok with me to put the removed text back.

--Standshown (talk) 04:01, 16 February 2008 (UTC)