User talk:Aaron Schulz/Archive6

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George Bush poll

You asked me to explain my vote for locking the Bush article. It's pretty much what I said in the Talk page. Besides the vandalism, there is a lot of POV-war, which is people who have a point of view (or think their point of view is NPOV) and want to get it in the article. One persons deletes something and someone else puts it back in. Or rephrases it just enough to pass NPOV (e.g. "many people think that ...") and maybe, over the next several days, changes it to get their original wording back in again. And so it goes, back and forth. So we don't converge.

In a committee, when a large group has difficulty agreeing on the wording of something, it is frequently useful to give it to a small group and let them prepare a draft (the Declaration of Independence was done this way). I think this is a possible solution to the POV-wars. Lock it, give it to a task force to rewrite, and then open it up again. --Shoaler 11:33, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

May the force be with you!

File:Spirtis jedi.jpg

Thank you from your nice comments about the image of Yoda and Kenobi on my user page. I find that scene of Star Wars my favorite as well. It is when everything comes full circle and the efforts of Kenobi and Yoda to restore the Jedi and perserve the Jedi values are realized. As well I think it is a wish of many people to be able to, at the end of their lives, come back and see the sucess of something they spent their lives to foster and preserve. BCV 17:03, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Sorry

about my grammer. I promise im better when editing articles. check out my creation SAM2 broadcaster for proof. enjoy Gavin the Chosen 16:43, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

assistance please

I have learned, though a freiend of mine, that a user called hamster sandwitch beleives i am something called a sock puppet , and by the connotation of the edit, this would seem to be a bad thing. What is a sock puppet? And if it is a bad thing, could I have some assitance in trying to tell people that i am not one of said puppets?Gavin the Chosen 19:25, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

A sockpuppet is a user(often a blocked one) who tries to create second and third acounts and use them all at once either to circumvent the block(you were blocked before) or to vote multiple times on polls so it looks like more people share the sockpuppet's opinion.

Testing for sockpuppets is done by:

1. monitoring his/her edits to see if "other" user agree with them too much and focus on the same pages.
2. checking the IP adress to see if multiple users have the same IP.
3. If a user is blocked and during the block "another" user continues to advance their cause. This has to look very suspicious.

If you need me to say you are not one I need a link to the page that you are being accused of being a sockpuppet in. I will also have to check your history and the "sockpuppets"(I need his name or IP) to make sure that you are not lying. It is hard to check IPs and it doesn't always work so I probably won't do that, plus I would need to download a small program.Voice of All(MTG) 19:31, August 8, 2005 (UTC)

I wouldnt know about any casues i am furthuring. Perhaps someone is displeaed with the Fnord~ing, or perhaps someone did not like my attmepts to edit eiother Residential school or my creation of SAM2 broadcaster or my conversation on the goerge W bush article, other then that, all i have done is reagrange some manga related articles. Also,m a suitible comprimise has been found for Fnord~ing ( youll se)Gavin the Chosen 19:37, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

the knowlege of the accusation comes from an email i recieved from gab@gabrielsimon.com, in which was stated " dude, youre Prollly Gonna hafta deffend yursefl againsst some Overzeasous ppl shortly. Heres why.....Thhey thinkk ourm e, and its eems ive been pisssing them off lately. heres the beef. -- http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Gabrielsimon/Evidence&curid=2384306&diff=20562266&oldid=20558752

-gab" This is getting rather strange.Gavin the Chosen 19:41, 8 August 2005 (UTC)

please see my talk page to see WHYGavin the Chosen 05:20, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Image:Voiceofall.jpg

Hello; the image you've got posted on your user page is a copyright violation. Content on Wikipedia must be made available through a GFDL-compatible license; we clearly don't have permission to redistribute the image under those terms. It's not enough to give the author credit or even to have permission for copying, we would have to have permission to redistribute altered version of the image. I seriously doubt we'd get that.

You are probably free to link to the image on R. K. Post's site, but you cannot upload it to Wikipedia. Please take care not to upload such images in the future. Thanks. JRM · Talk 00:42, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Directly linking to the image is fine (it won't display inline, of course). JRM · Talk 00:57, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Replied to your comments on my talk page to prevent the discussion from breaking up. JRM · Talk 01:18, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I should like to apologize

for being, well, an idiot. I had thought pretending not to know what a puppet was was good for trying to hold cover on being not me, in an attempt to move beyond what i now condsider a bad phassae in mny wikipedia career, that being my old name. sorry if i offended.Gavin the Chosen 10:24, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

thanks

for the vote of confidance.Gavin the Chosen 20:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Attacks on Kennedy articles

Some anons showed up in response to the RfC last month. I'm guessing that they were different people, but all recruited by 24.147.97.230, the one who started the attack on the page, and who thought that s/he could stack the vote with a bunch of anons. More recently we've seen several anons who edit exactly as 24.147.97.230 would; they're probably the same person, who also probably set up the Ernestocgonzalez account to have a registered name to use when that seemed convenient. Agiantman began editing Wikipedia a month ago, exhibiting the same tendency toward biased edits but concentrating initially on subjects related to Bill Clinton. I don't believe in seeing sockpuppets behind every tree. I'd guess that Agiantman is a separate person from 24.147.97.230, but shares the latter's ideological bent. As the anon intends, of course, the use of multiple IP's will make it harder for him or her to be blocked for the multiple violations of Wikipedia policies. JamesMLane 04:17, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree with JamesMLane that User:Agiantman is not a sockpuppet. He at least has the courage to insult people in edit summaries from a signed-in account. Robert McClenon 11:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree with you that they are tag-teaming. I don't see any explicit rule against tag-teaming. I think that they are trying to game the system to avoid 3RR, but I don't want to write that up without proof. What User:Agiantman has done that is completely outside the rules is to engage in personal attacks, such as to accuse me and JamesMLane of vandalism, and to accuse JamesMLane of being a sockpuppet of Robert McClenon (or was it vice versa), and to accuse me of being on the Kennedy payroll. (The sockpuppet allegation is the really stupid one. He and I post in true names.) Robert McClenon 16:59, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

I will make the petty criticism that I do not think that removing the stupid obsolete poll was a minor edit. It was not. It undid something that was close to vandalism, but it was a major edit. On the other hand, thank you. Robert McClenon 01:55, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

There's no rule against tag-teaming in the sense of multiple different editors holding the same views. If one editor is using multiple user names or anon IP's to circumvent the 3RR, though, then that's a violation. I suspect that's what's going on here. JamesMLane 09:00, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Vfd

If you're bored, cast your vote in this losing battle....Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency--MONGO 10:43, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

Please do not revert again

Personal attacks and discussions about users do not belong in article talk pages. The removal of comments are proper under WP:RPA. I'm not trying to get into an edit war. I'm trying to tone down the rhetoric in the article. I would certainly appreciate some help in keeping this discussion clean. I know its hard due to the political nature of the article itself, but it can be done if we keep user discussions out of the page. Thanks in advance for your help. - Sleepnomore 05:59, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

• I don't know what you mean by accusing you of anything. All I did was remove stuff. If I've somehow made you feel I was attacking you, I certainly wasn't trying to. In fact, my only purpose in being here is to provide some impartial cleaning up and trying to help get people focused on the article instead of each other. Thanks for understanding. - Sleepnomore 06:46, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the note

Thanks for the note,but this really isn't my battle anymore. I've made my attempts to make "peace" on wikipedia, but there are too many folks on this site that have nothing better to do but "hate" and cause hate. Its just not for me. Its all misdirected in my opinion. There isn't a clean politician in the bunch -- republican, democrat, or otherwise. I don't know why people follow them blindly. They try to put us into neat little groups so they can heard us up better and count on our votes. Then they run the country into the ground. The only difference between the politicians is the manner in which they screw you over. I have a tendancy to feel that the encyclopedia should list all indiscressions of all politicians regardless of affiliation. This is the only way that we can hold their feet to the fire and hold them accountable. If they want a balanced article with good and bad listed, they need to make sure their life reflects that balance. Putting things into perspective on this site in the name of NPOV truly becomes rediculous at times and becomes counter-productive to true encyclopedic accounts of a man/woman's real life.

Anyway, I've wasted enough of your time. Good luck with the discussion over there. I know its a hard battle but you seem to have a hand on things. - Sleepnomore 15:01, August 23, 2005 (UTC)

Featured picture - comments requested

My photo of the bust of Antinous, currently under comment for featured picture

[1] I'm nominating one of my photos for 'featured picture'. Voting isn't for two days, but I'd appreciate your comments if you feel to add them. -- RyanFreisling @ 16:01, 23 August 2005 (UTC)