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WP:ANI, but that is not even necessary, any admin probably would ban him, just contact one. I want to ignore these at the moment, there might be something bigger going on here. I have my suspicions, but I don't want to spell them out now, as they are just suspicions atm. Also Image: Turgut Ozal.jpg might need another fair use rationale for its use on the list of Turkish presidents. Deniz^T_C 18:22, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

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Turkey

Şu Alman moderatör bana kafayı taktığı için yazdığım herşeyi bozuyor. Bir zahmet Turkey article'ında Ahmet Tolga Tek'in yazdıklarını geri getirebilir misin (Yunanlı salağın Foreign Relations kısmına yazdığı gereksiz/yanlış şey de revertlenmiş olur). İlaveten koyduğun yeni haritayı da eklemeyi unutma. Çok sağol.

Ottoman Empire

Hi Deliogul,

As per your request, I added my sig as an interested Wikipedian for the Ottoman project. Hiberniantears 21:22, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Yakup Pasha

aka Maestro Jacopo, b. in Gaeta (Italy), died 1481

http://www.dallog.com/tdsa/hukumdarlar/fatih.htm

http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=Fatih+Sultan+Mehmed+Yakup&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsearch.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Ffr%3Dyfp-t%26p%3D&fr=yfp&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0geu7QEsgNHB3EBty9XNyoA?p=Fatih+Sultan+Mehmed+Jacopo&fr=yfp

Warsword 14:15, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Hello

Hi Deliogul, I'm simply following WP:BAN. Banned users are not allowed to edit wikipedia even if the edits are constructive. Flavious should have thought about this before he evaded his 1 week block, which ultimately led to an indef. Regarding your revert on the Turkey article, I will assume good faith and not revert you. But be aware that editing on behalf of blocked users is prohibited. Regards. VartanM 20:45, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

As ar as I know, it is "an editor can revert a banned/blocked editor, during the period s/he is banned". So you can revert with no complications (like 3rr, edit warring stuff), but you are not obliged to, as far as I can see. But, reinstating a banned editor's edits might have undesirable causes. We also have this: "Wikipedians are not permitted to post or edit material at the direction of a banned user, an activity sometimes called "proxying," unless they are able to confirm that the changes are verifiable and have independent reasons for making them." Deniz^T_C 15:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

image

Deliogul please check Image:Misak-ı milli new(2).PNG, an image you uploaded. As far as I know Hatay wasn;t part of Misak i Milli (though I might be wrong). Also it might be better to shade the regions whose 'futures were going to be determined by referenda' Did you use MS Paint or some mapping software? I don't have a mapping software. Deniz^T_C 15:54, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

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hi

So what's up? Baristarim 05:09, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Minor Edits to Ataturk

Deliogul, I'd like to suggest minor editorial edits to correct errors in grammar and tighten language on the Ataturk page. The edits are not to change content. I'm new to wiki editing and that page is semi-blocked. How can I best get my suggestions to you? Some examples of edits I'd propose are below.

"Mustafa Kemal was born in the Ottoman city of Salonika (Turkish: Selânik, modern-day Thessaloniki, Greece) from Ali Rıza Efendi and Zübeyde Hanım." The phrase "from Ali Riza Efendi ..." should be "to Ali Riza Efendi..."

"He went to the military schools of Selânik and Manastır (present-day Bitola, Republic of Macedonia)" is better phrased as "He attended military schools in Selânik and ..."

"Mustafa Kemal to Latife Uşaklıgil." is not a complete sentence and should be changed to something like "Mustafa Kemal married Latife Uşaklıgil, but they divorced after 3 years of marriage."

"Atatürk had seven adopted daughters and an adopted son." This sentence can be written more tightly as "Ataturk adopted seven daughters and a son."

"In times of leisure, he mainly enjoyed reading, horse riding, chess, and swimming. He was very interested in dancing, taking pleasure in waltz on almost every opportunity, as well as the traditional Zeybek folk dances." Suggested change: "In his leisure time, he enjoyed reading, horseback riding, chess and swimming. He was also an avid dancer, and enjoyed dancing both the waltz and traditional Zeybek folk dances."

Redlining the text and sending it to you in a word document would be most efficient and give you the opportunity to accept and reject changes at will. There's quite a bit that can be done to tighten and shorten sentences without changing content, but will await your response before doing anything more.Pebblicious (talk) 08:43, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thank you for your response. Since the page is blocked from editing, I've posted suggested edits on the dicsussion page. Hopefully that's correct. I'll read and get familiar with the Wiki process for editing, but learn more from jumping right into the process and I'd love to see this page classified as excellent! Cheers. Pebblicious (talk) 22:07, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

turkish football teams

hey I've noticed that you are interested in football and you like to contribute in wikipedia so that made me send this message :) I'm thinking of nominating fenerbahçe, galatasaray and beşiktaş articles for GA but I am confused... I've looked at some GA's and they are not better than ours.... Can we win what do you think? --Alex20fb (talk) 02:29, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

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Ekşi Sözlük

Üyeliğin onaylanmış. Tebrikler. Kerem Özcan (talk) 12:48, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Sağol, geç olsun güç olmasın :) Deliogul (talk) 18:57, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

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slm.

Merhaba, senin yaptiklarini cok gordum ve cok hayranim :). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Armenian_Genocide_deniers

Ben bunu speedy deletion olarak aldim, ama hic Turk bir Administrator tanimiyorum. Acaba biris yardim edebilirmi bu iste?

Ben cok kisiyi tanimiyorum wikiprojede, ama cok kez goruyorumki, benim kadar cok Ermeni soykirim propagandaya karsi savasan az kisiyi goruyorum. Hadi gorusuruz, (lutfen ama Turkce cevap birakma talk page'de, ben Turkum gibi bir imaj vermemeye calisiyorum, oylecene Turklere daha cok yardim edebilirim). — ^talk § _Arsenic99_ 06:32, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

onceki link yanlisti...

[1] Biraz yardim ederseniz burdaki link'te, cok sevinirim! Iyi gunler! — ^talk § _Arsenic99_ 17:29, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

I wish I spoke Turkish. FYI. I added another category for deletion. In case if you want to reconsider your vote. VartanM (talk) 22:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Let me translate for you, if my Turkish is good enough (I dont use Turkish chars either): Hi, I really like what you've done so far in other articles. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Armenian_Genocide_deniers

I added this to speedy deletion but I do not know any administrators who can direct me properly. Can someone help me put this in the appropriate category.

I don't know many people in the wikiproject (either Armenian or Turkish) who might be interested in this category for discussion, but I find that propaganda dealing with the Armenian Genocide is quite a lot and few can deal with it if it is considered propaganda. (Btw I'm not really Turkish)

Sorry the previous link is wrong

[2] If you can please discuss what you know here in this link I would be pleased, good day:

--- End of message ---

So please do not assume that I was violating Wikipedia:Canvassing, since I didn't say that I wanted him to vote one way or another, I never said "please say delete" or "please vote delete" which in Turkish is "umarim delete dersiniz", "umarim delete oy verirsiniz", though the Turkish word for delete is "silmek" "sil" (which you won't find in this message; you can look it up).

I do think it is not a violation of Wikipedia:Canvassing to simply suggest a CfD to a wikipedian who declares in his userpage that he was Interested in the Ottoman Empire history. — ^talk § _Arsenic99_ 19:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Please don't go into a fight in my talk page. If you will feel better, I would always say "delete" when it comes to pro-Genocide statements, regardless of other people's wishes. Take care folks, Deliogul (talk) 09:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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Searching for an Alternative to Democracy

Surely he's not directly responsible of Al- Queda and such groups but indirectly he is. Let me try to explain my point of view. He interrupted the religous revolution which could affect all the islamic world back then. If we think(actually already known), Al-Queda founded by CIA against communism, I cannot stop thinking that if islamic revolution in Turkey would be completed, would there be really that much foundamentalist supporters of groups like Al-Queda? Or people,muslims, would understand the islamic view in a better way and foundamentalists could be replaced by modern-soft islamic people?

• The person who wrote the above piece sounds as one of the remnants of the old guard in Turkey, who believe that the democratic process, whereby the people of each country decide as to who will run that country thru a democratic election, is not correct and that the military and civilian bureucrats should run the affairs of that country, just like in the old days of their "Milli Sef" (National Chief), before Menderes was elected in the first democratic election in Turkey, on May 14, 1950. Unfortunately, 58 years after those first free elections, we still have these people in Turkey, who are hoping that there would be another military coup d'etat, so that they can cling to power, against the wishes of the people they want to govern.

The reason they hate Adnan MENDERES is because he has proved to the people in Turkey that they are free to "elect" their own leaders, rather than accepting a self-appointed leader who has come to that position with guns in his hands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.101.70.19 (talk) 21:27, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't think it would affect the Arab world too much, but we should not speculate so much, many things might have happened. Anyway, Al-Quaeda started because 'the infidels' (US, UK) set foot on the 'holy lands' (Arabia, not necessarily Mecca). That is what Bin Laden had been telling to his followers. Check Salafism and Wahhabism. 21:31, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

85.101.70.19, I think your comment is subjective because these are your ideas about the true path for Turkey and your understanding of the term "democracy". I guess you would be shocked if I would say that democracy is just the dictatorship of the poor/commons and one of the worst governing types around. When stating such directly, you can find it unacademic or sick but this is one of the main arguments of Aristotle. I hope you understood my point. Deliogul (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

• Mr. Deliogul, Aristotle lived a few thousands years ago. I assume that you will admit that humanity has progressed since that time. I hope and assume that Turks have also progressed, since they seem to have "judicial coup d'etats" now (as reported in Newsweek two weeks ago), rather than the military coup d'etats. Hopefully the "young Turks" (or maybe I should say the "young officers") have also learned from experience that every time they depose a popularly elected Prime Minister, an even more religious fellow is elected by the Turkish people in the following free elections. Menderes was an attorney-at-law and a graduate of American College in Izmir; after he was hanged in 1961 by the "young officers", Demirel (who was more pious) was elected in 1965: He is from Isparta, a civil engineer and a graduate of Afyon High. After Demirel was deposed and banned from politics in 1980, Ozal (who was much more pious than the previous two) was elected in 1983: he was an electrical engineer and a graduate of Kayseri High. After he died in 1993, Mr. Erbakan (a very religious man) won the 1995 elections; he was a mechanical engineering professor and from Konya. When he was deposed in a post-modern coup in 1997, the current PM, namely Mr. Tayyip Erdogan (a businessman and a graduate of an imam high school) was elected in 2003 from Siirt province, although he is originally from Rize. If he will be banned now (as expected by Newsweek and others), I can bet with you that a much more religious man from an even more eastern province will be elected in 2012 Presidential elections, at the latest. It is apparent and obvious that the more arm-wrestling that the "young officers" do with the Turkish people, the more they lose. They have to learn to obey the commands of the popular vote soon, hopefully before Turkey becomes either like North Korea or Iran. After all, they are the two possible alternatives to the democratic societies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.96.47.123 (talk) 16:09, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

So you say if democracy loses, either a religion freak authoritarian regime or a personality cult driven dictatorship will be established in Turkey. I'm totally opposing you in this sense. Also;

I. Actually, I'm not a fan of Aristotle but "time" is not a determinant in development. Therefore, one can't say that newer is better. Democracy being the way of modern people is just and assumption, not a fact.

II. Another thing; today democracy is generally used as an ideological tool in the hands of capitalists. In most of the cases, people are not equal but they manipulated in a way that they think they are equal. Maybe a "subjective source" but I offer you to read Vladimir Lenin’s “What Is to Be Done?” about the class consciousness. Lenin argues that democracy is a stage where the working class gets limited rights but system is built in such a way that they would be happy with the limited rights they have and wouldn’t harm the benefits of the capitalists more.

III. Both Lenin and Aristotle are in the VIP room of historical political thinkers but if you don’t like them both, I can’t do anything for you. Aristotle, in his work “Politics”, defined the basis of the practical state, the importance of the middle class and the notion of private property. He found out these variables centuries ago than John Locke but Aristotle only came out with different results than the optimistic liberalism of Locke. Once again, the time difference between their works is not important in determining which is “better”.

Your assumption about "if you don't like democracy than you want the military rule" is also far from academic understanding. Deliogul (talk) 19:46, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Şeriatçı şopar

"Hindistan'ın sağındaki" ülkeden gelip İngiltere'de yaşayan şeriatçı şopar Türkiye makalesini kendi ideolojisine göre şekillendirmek gayretinde. Bir ara "başka bir isimleyken" bana özel mesaj atmıştı, adam kalabalığa karşı "sakin bir tip" olarak kendini gösterse de, biraz üzerine gidince resmen hırs içine giriyor ve "siz laik Kemalistler bir gün tepetaklak gideceksiniz, az kaldı" gibilerinden yorumlar yapıyor. Yani son derece sistematik, planlı ve bilinçli bir şekilde çalışıyor. Senden bu konuda (bu şeriatçı şoparı nötralize etme konusunda) bana destek olmanı rica ediyorum. Ben ise "Teoman şarkısı" malum kişiliğim.