Talk:Eric Cartman

Sexual abuse

"Cartman has also had brushes with sexual abuse. In the episode, "Weight Gain 4000", his friends talked about a huge rainbow they saw. Cartman replied that he hates rainbows, and that he explains that "You'll just be sitting there, minding your own business, and then they come marching in, crawl up your leg and start to bite your ass, and you'll be like, AY, GET OUTTA MY ASS, YOU STUPID RAINBOWS!" It was obvious that Cartman was explaining that a bunch of homosexuals were hitting on him."

How is that obviously anything? Unless someone can cite that that means he was hit on by gay men, I think it should be removed because I think that's pure speculation... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.242.143 (talk) 02:01, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

It ain't speculation, it's original research. Cartman was referring to hemorroids when he said that. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:17, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Also:

"Also in the episode "Miss Teacher Bangs A Boy" Cartman starts a posse in which he calls a girl there his bitch, although nothing sexual is implied between them."

^What's that have to do with sexual abuse at all? In fact, what's that have to do with anything? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.96.242.143 (talk) 02:26, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

In the Episode "The Simpsons Did It" Cartman says he got some more "SeaMen" (semen) from a guy in an alley that told him to close his eyes and suck it out of a hose. An assumption can be made that even though he may not have known what he was doing, Cartman gave the man oral sex. - Sabi

CARTMAN'S LIKES/DISLIKES

I was wondering whether there should be a cartman's like/dislike article in this entry.Let make a start here:

Likes: cheesy puffs Nintendo Wii Adolf Hitler KFC Chocolate Chicken Pot Pie Beef stakes Radiohead

Dislikes : Jews Mrs. Garrison Blacks Stan Kyle Seniors in school like scott tenermon CANT FORGET THOSE GODDAM HIPPIES —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.253.44.83 (talk) 04:56, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartman dislikes just about everything other than what he likes, so it's kind of a silly list. And you should sign your edits.24.74.1.139 12:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Cartman's Mum

I was looking back at the old Southparkstudios.com FAQ archives when I saw this:

April 19, 2001

Q. - can you make cartman find his mom?

A. - Mrs. Cartman is Cartman's mom and dad... she's a hermafilite

Could someone edit the article, I would but I don't want to mess it up.

Channel e-d

Aha! I knew that site could never be trusted! Dr. Mephesto even said that Liane had sex with other women, and one became pregnant with Cartman. It's either Mayor McDaniels, Mrs. Sheila Broflovski, or Ms. Veronica Crabtree. Liane Cartman is not really his Mom! She's just a Dad!!! Ha! Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007. —Preceding comment was added at 07:42, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

In Cartmans mom is a dirty **** there was a long list of suggestions of cartmans father. this episode was dragged over into two episodes in which in the end cartman is to realise that his mom is his dad aswell

Yeah, it's stated pretty clearly in the episode concerning the issue that his mom is in fact his dad, and that his mom is someone else entirely. Who his mom really is has never been explored and probably never will be.24.74.1.139 12:43, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Cartmans mom is actually Sheila Broflovski. Trey thought about a season finale that revealed that Sheila Broflovski gave Cartman up at birth and then adopted Ike in order to "balance things up" later on. It was supposed to deleiver two things: One, Cartman would be have Jew. And two, Cartman would be Kyles half brother(twin?).

That's also not physically possible, seeing as Kyle was born in may and Eric in July of the same year, and Gerald is Kyle's dad and Eric father is Liane.

-G —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.117.158.83 (talk) 02:29, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Picture

Some idiot changed the picture back again. As this doesn't reflect Cartman's current appearance on the show (its the old paper model from the pilot) could someone please put on a newer image? 130.88.174.229 00:05, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Whoever changed the picture is not an idiot, there are limitations on the type of picture that can be used on wikipedia. See WP:Image for more info. The current picture is adequate in my opinion, though if someone can get a fair use image that reflects Cartman's current appearance, that could be useful. Best would be a series of images showing his evolution throughout the series. WLU 15:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

I just find it irritating that someone would change the picture without giving a reason, that's all. If the new image contravened the fair use policy, the person who changed it back could have at least said so. 130.88.174.229 16:44, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with that kid. Yea, he's kewl. --Eric Cartman 77 20:38, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Speaking Spanish

There have been several instances of Cartman showing that he is fluent in Spanish. In Rainforest Schmainforest he raises his hand when the leader of GGWK asks if anyone knows Spanish, but he is quickly rebuked. This is the first incident (that I know of right now) where he expresses a knowledge of the language. He converses with people in Spanish in My Future Self n' Me, and again in D-Yikes. There are probably more that I am missing, but I think something should be added to this article regarding this. I'm not sure how to work it into the article though. Jsc83 23:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Because it only happens for a couple minutes max in the entire series, this especially has to be weighted proportionally. To me the only this makes sense to fit in is in passing reference, as in "Appears to speak fluent Spanish in episodes A and B". That's it. Maybe it can be reworded somewhat, but the point is it's length has got to be short to be included. Because of it's relative weight, the maximum it should get is one sentence, not a single full stop more. I would go further to say, generally in an encyclopedia is pretty much an indiscriminate collection of every fact, organized in a readable way. And it's pruned of the much larger things mentioned here, which is basically saying no huge text areas and no verbose words and numbers filling up the entire screen. This is worth one sentence, any more, and it has to be justified. This is all I think is recommended, and encourage anyone to make easy fact in somewhere in the article. I'm off. Nastajus (talk) 03:54, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Most Recognisable?

Is Cartman really the most recognisable South Park character? I would have said Kenny is. ~~Lazyguy~~I r needing userboxes plz! 21:31, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I think that, because of the way they're designed, you could look at any one of the characters, then at first glance say, "Oh! He/She is from South Park!" Wilhelmina Will June 24th, 2007.

Well, I live in India and I didn't even know about South Park until 1 year ago. Yet I did recognise the cartman character when I saw him. I had seen several references to him at one time or the other. But the other characters were all new to me. vineetcoolguy 09:37, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

both cartman and kenny are well known, but i knew who cartman was long before i knew who kenny was.--Greenday21 (talk) 16:46, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

gingers

Im not certain of this, but i thought he didnt have anything against non-freckled redheads, just the freckled redheads. is this true?· Lygophile has spoken 00:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

No, he calls redheads without freckles such as Kyle "daywalkers" (because they supposedly don't have to hide from the sun unlike "gingers") and he is certainly also prejudiced against them. In fact, he even remains hostile towards "daywalkers" after starting his "Ginger Separatist Movement" because they are only "half-ginger". Mwarf 11:47, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

ow, oops. that was what it was. must have remember reversely for some odd reason· Lygophile has spoken 00:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah, yes.. But it's unsure whether he has anything against redheads w/o freckles, because Kyle is an example of that, and is loathed by Cartman. But, that may just be due to the fact that Cartman is an anti-semitist. Mizu onna sango15 02:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

"Screw you guys, I'm going home!"

This is a line he uses quite often, shouldn't it be mentioned somewhere? ---

Maybe we could include it in bold, as a catchphrase a the end of his personality section. Wilhelmina Will July 7th, 2007.

Does it have to be bold? Why? The words should weigh themselves.Nastajus (talk) 04:00, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

possible voice inspiration?

Hi,I was just wondering if it was at all possible Cartman's voice was inspired by Truman Capote ,I mean his is more high-pitched,but its an idea....

Regerding the Knife...

Do we really need to have that picture of Cartman holding that knife with that sinister gleam about him? I've like the way he looks there, of course (he looks really good with a knife and an evil grin), but it isn't really one of his alternate appearances. If it isn't actually helping the article, then what the hell is it doing here??? this picture shows cartman's more demeaning side. in a certain sout park episode (cannot remember the name) it shows cartman about to kill his mother because she hhad scisor the dog whisperer to change him as a child. MCRnumberONE Wilhelmina Will July 20th, 2007.

Cartman's jewish ancestry? No way...

Why is Sheila a possible candidate for Cartman's mom? There is no such reference anywhere in the series. I've removed the line until more evidence or a reference is forthcoming. vineetcoolguy 17:16, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

At the end of Cartman's Mom Is Still a Dirty Slut, We find out that Ms. Cartman is actually Cartman's father. Sheila was one of the possible candidates for Cartman's actual mother. It was never revealed who Cartman's true mother is. The episode ended with cartman exclaiming "Oh, forget it!".--Swellman 17:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

But was that actually said by that professor guy or was it just a background thing said by the "narrator" in that episode? I seem to remember that it was the latter. In that case it doesnt really mean that its a choice between just those three women (Sheila, mayor and crabtree) actually cartman's mom could be anyone at all. vineetcoolguy 17:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

In 407, 'Cherokee Hair Tampons', Cartman is the only person in South Park with the same blood type as Kyle, which might indicate that they are related... - sirop, 26 August 2007

If you look at sirop's statement from a genetic point of view it's nonsense.. A person inherits 1 allele for bloodtype from each parent (A,B or 0). A and B are dominant to 0, therefore there actually 6 Types in genotype (AA,A0,BB,B0,AB,00), but only 4 in phenotype (A,B,AB,0). That means they probably both had 0 or AB as a bloodtype for the other bloodtypes are to common, but that does not mean they are related. They are probably also RhD-negative for this is less common (than RhD-pos), but this also does not imply relation. -CrazyBeaver, 25 October 2007 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.96.57.43 (talk) 11:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Agreed nonsense, I don't know the number, but there's generally lots of people with the same blood type. Depends of course. Nastajus (talk) 04:03, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Also, people in the same family often have different blood types. Blood type doesn't mean much when it comes to determining relation. Gamer 2k4 (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Changes

I really thing this article could do with some work and I'm willing to help in my free time. I think that a lot of this stuff like relationships and what not should be removed or immensely condensed, not having their own section. There should be an overview of his creation, his role in the series, his impact in culture and that any other stuff that is necessary. Theres definetly a lot of fancruft here.Darkwarriorblake 22:52, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Reorganisation

I have made a bunch of reorganisations to the article which I felt were sorely lacking. No content was deleted. The existing content has been reorganised into personality, family, relationships, moments, and talents. vineetcoolguy 01:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I didn't see it, but it's appreciated. Nastajus (talk) 04:04, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

References Needed?

Hi I'm not sure about the heading where it says that the article needs additional sources. Most facts clearly cite the episode they are from. Could anyone please comment on whether this particular header is actually needed? Maybe people who feel that more references are required can add {{Fact}} wherever they feel a citation is needed so that others can add the required citation. vineetcoolguy 12:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Sexual orientation/gender identity

This needs a serious overhaul, whoever has written the bulk of these references seems unable to distinguish between gender identity and sexual orientation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.149.51 (talk) 17:37, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Neither can I. What are either of those in the first place, and what is their difference? Wilhelmina Will 18:52, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

One regards your own gender - ie. whether you see yourself as male or female (or even disregard such a division) - while the other regards what you find attractive in others - ie. Heterosexual, Homosexual etc. It is quite possible to be attracted to your own sex without being gender confused, it is also possible to be a 'woman trapped in a man's body' and still find women attractive.

Looking at the line "Cartman's possible gender confusion is most apparent in the episode "Cartman Sucks", in which Cartman takes pictures of himself with Butter's penis in his mouth to make Butters look homosexual". It might point to confusion over his sexual orientation (though frankly afaic it shows no such thing), but it certainly has no relevance to whether or not Cartman thinks he might be a girl trapped in a boy's body.

i dont feel as if this sextion can be completely answered. in no episode has it shown cartman as being straight or gay. however in the new episode, cartman is on a quest to have kyle suck his balls because of a bet in seeing a leprechaun. MCRnumberONE

It should be noted Cartman has dreams about Kyle, and while purely speculative, there's a fine line between love and hate, and he may be antisemitic to cover up for his own sexual confusion (not to mention attraction to Kyle) in much the same way Mr. Garrison covered up his own sexual confusion with Mr. Hat. -- Benjamin

Mr. Garrison would never blame anything on Mr. Hat! They're best friends! And at any rate, Mr. Hat was also gay. So, I believe, was Mr. Twig. Wilhelmina Will 00:15, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes, Cartman has some major homosexual, or at least bi-curious tendecies, as evident in many episodes, including the recent episode Imaginationland and Imaginationland part II. In these two episodes, Cartman has Kyle sign an agreement to literally "suck his balls" if he can prove leprechauns are real. Is this not homosexual? Mizu onna sango15 02:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

And what about the episode AWESOM-O, where we learn he used to dress up as Britney Spears and make out with a cardboard cutout of Justin Timberlake? The general even says "Wow, kid, you're a little faggot!" when he sees the tape of that act! Devil Master (talk) 20:34, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Actually according to Butters, he still does. Philbuck222 (talk) 21:03, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Cartman is a pre-pubescent boy, despite his behavior. I think any speculation about his sexual orientation is a bit premature, when he doesn't even really have a sex drive yet. His desire for Kyle to suck his balls seems to be more about hurting Kyle than giving himself any pleasure. NobleHam 20:47, 01 November 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.17.187.128 (talk)

Age has naughtta to do with sex-drive. Depending on when you reached puberty, you could become sexually aroused by something at any time from then on. Haven't you ever heard of the Brazilian - or was she Peruvian? - princess who reached puberty at seven years old? She got aroused by a man, and ended up having a son; who was raised as her brother. Wilhelmina Will 20:56, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Why locked?

I have recently noticed that this article has been locked and cannot be edited. Is there any known reason as to why that is? Mizu onna sango15 02:35, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

It was locked due to persistent vandalism from anonymous users. Established users are still able to edit it. Judged by the fact that you have an account, you ought to be able to edit it as well. Wilhelmina Will 02:55, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Cartman vs. Little People

As evident in the episode called "With apologies to Jesse Jackson" Cartman is prejudiced to Little People. Is it possible to add this in his personality page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monsteroids (talk • contribs) 05:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Nazi Symbolism

Eric's nazi-leaning sympathies seem magnified by the fact that his name bears what I feel is more than a coincidental similarity to Nazi fighter pilot "Erich Hartmann". Surely this should be mentioned somewhere at the beginning of the article. - Sestet —Preceding comment was added at 20:47, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

That's a rather large jump. I'd say that's more co-incidence than anything else. It's not like the creators made the character intentionally anti-semitic in the first few seasons, so why would they have modelled him on an obscure Nazi fighter pilot? Jeff24 (talk) 14:26, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

(Speculatively)Perhaps they knew about him? (Recalling)Mr. Stone is ethnically Jewish, and Erich Hartmann was a Nazi. (Theorizing)Maybe he did something significantly bad to Mr. Stone's family, and this was his way of getting back? (Upbeat and optimistic)It's not that far-fetched! (Explainatively)After all, Trey Parker got back at his dishonest ex-fiancee by naming Liane Cartman - a porn queen and prostitute - after her! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Although the names seem very similar I'm pretty certain that Erich Hartmann was NOT a nazi. See Wehrmacht. Saying all german military personel were nazis is like saying all US military personel are republicans. 68.59.179.142 (talk) 05:42, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

They aren't? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:25, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Believe it or not, they really aren't.68.59.179.142 (talk) 11:33, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I know this is off the basic topic, but I have to ask; When did that start? You are talking about the United States of America's military personel, right? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Photography

He seems to have an interest in this and seems to know what he's doing, particularly in the last few episodes. Maybe add this to the skills section? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.172.4.43 (talk) 15:12, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree. He seems to be pretty smart when it comes to Photography, like in Cartman Sucks and Imaginationland 2/3. I say add it. --Imhungry 22:23, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

He seems to be pretty smart at a lot of things. I'm not sure what can really be done with that, but felt it was necessary to state here. Nastajus (talk) 04:09, 18 February 2008 (UTC)I actually think that Matt and Trey's sense of humour would guide them towards having named Eric after the Nazi-fighter pilot...it makes sense to me.

The Seven Deadly Sins

Greed, Lust, Sloth, Gluttony, Pride, Envy and Wrath - Cartman has both actively and passive displayed all these sins, throughout the span of South Park. And these are not small things, either - His gluttony and greed have already been remarked upon, under his personality. He seems to embody all seven of these traits, at one time or another. It's also notable that certain traits always have more important over others: For example - Wrath (Season Five's Scott Tenorman Must Die), Pride (The recent Imaginationland, as well as a medley of other episodes), Greed/Envy (Uh....Too many episodes to list off. The Wii episode, as well as Casa Bonita.) I think this should be seriously considered. 74.12.13.224 14:45, 16 November 2007 (UTC) Joe Caron P.S. I'm trying to find a contact to Matt Stone or Trey Parker to ask them personally. If they do give me a response that's verifying, I'll link it and make the changes myself.

Uncensored Tag

I just added a tag that notifies that this article is to be uncensored, so as to deter any people that want to remove any swear or sexually themed words/references. I used the tag {{uw-notcensored1}}. If you remove this tag, leave a note on this page. Flaminglawyer ^{talk contrib} 22:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Obesity

I put up that cartman admitted to weighing 190 pounds on the football game on live tv but with in a few minuets it was gone it was the truth are erased for no good reason. Also meaning he gained 100 pounds over the last 11 seasons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.210.43.175 (talk) 03:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Where? When? I've removed it for now. Give a citation if you put it back. vineetcoolguy (talk) 07:01, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

OK found it. No harm done. link vineetcoolguy (talk) 07:18, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

the video was deleted for some reason find another source--Greenday21 (talk) 16:56, 24 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

Futurama: Bender's Big Score

I dunno if this is notable enough to be included somewhere in the article, but in the movie Futurama: Bender's Big Score, Cartman makes a cameo appearance as a head-in-a-jar while Lars and Leela are seen strolling in the museum. vDub (talk) 07:53, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Want to Trade?

This article contains so much good information on Eric Cartman. Would it be all right if I replaced its content with that of his article in South Park Wiki, and moved that article's content to here? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Catchphrases

Wikipedia isn't a quote guide, but Cartman's catchphrases are such an important part of his personality that at least the more notable ones should definitely be part of the article. Come on, an article on Cartman without his "goddammit" or "respect my authoritah"? What we need to do is this: not add quotes and rather concentrate on catchphrases, which are repeated several times over the entire series. I'm going to put back the catchphrases section, with non-notable ones removed. vineetcoolguy (talk) 10:26, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup on repeated facts

I just read the article, and I noticed that several facts where repeated several times. Both in the chapters, but also thoughout the article, perhaps someone should look into getting rid of the repeated facts? I'll come back later and point out the specifik facts. Gregersb (talk) 22:55, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Large Revisions?

The massive revisons that have been attempted to be reverted by someone called "Simpson, Bart" are very unnessecary. Shouldn't wikipedia have more information? Even if it has unsourced material, as long as people try to find more citations and keep an eye on it for vandalism, we cannot have so small an article for so significant a character. I believe "Jack Merridew" and "TTN" have done too large a revision, and it is illogical to have "Eric Cartman" as a stub. TrickyDickotry (talk) 16:00, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

The article as it used to be was filled with original research, Point of view and unsourced statements. While I sort of disagree with stubbing, the page was pretty bad so we decided to start over, and the smaller version is much better than the huge version. I think we can all agree that Cartman deserves a GOOD page, not a lengthy one. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 16:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a reason I marked my edit as minor. --Jack Merridew 16:20, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Jack Merridew, I must have mixed up your edit with someone else's. Anyway, I do agree that Cartman's page was over-cluttered, but his current page is way too small. Can't we add some of the less trivial things? Wikipedia really can't have such a small page on Cartman. If there's any "original research" on his history and tendencies that's obviously true but we can't verify it, we can always cite "South Park Studios", which is the official website. It is just plain not good to have such a glossed-over page for a character that is a major part of the media.TrickyDickotry (talk) 20:47, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

You can create a small fictional biography or something citing the episodes. I mean that is where the evidence is. That episode 'Tsst' was pretty important to his character development.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 21:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Definitely. This small version is way more clean than the huge version will full in-universe information. That way, the article can be restarted and be a decent Wikipedia article. Armando.O^{talk · Ev · 3K} 00:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Styx

Hey, what about when Eric has to sing Come Sail Away whenever someone starts it? It's not mentioned.--68.3.17.26 (talk) 02:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

The previous version before this edit has some excellent content. Is it possible to get this information back? 86.129.97.12 (talk) 22:50, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

That was only part of one episode, it's hardly an essential part of Cartman's character. Jeff24 (talk) 14:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Shortened?

This page use to be huge now its really small... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Omgtkkyb1992 (talk • contribs) 15:20, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

What the heck happened to most of the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.89.206.105 (talk) 19:37, 29 December 2007 (UTC)

The article was cleaned up. All those sections were trivial and just cluttering the article. Wikipedia simply isn't a guide to every little trivial note on a cartoon character. RobJ1981 (talk) 00:16, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Just about all the other South Park characters have their lengthy and detailed articles intact, and the info contained therein could be considered just as superfluous as the deleted section on Cartman (or just about any fictional character that has had some degree of cultural impact). Am I perchance detecting editorial arbitrariness here? Jonas Liljeström (talk) 23:48, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. Every other major South Park character has a long article that goes into detail on his character. Whether people like it or not, this is the standard for these pages; Eric Cartman is the most notable character on the show, and his page should reflect this. Anyone who reverts the page back into this 100-word muck is vandalizing it. Hpanic7342 (talk) 19:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

As Wikipedia:Verifiability states, unverified and unsourced material may be removed at any time. I am not going to get in an edit war at this time, but if these statements in the article are not sourced within the near feature, I will be removing them, per WP:NOR. If you wish the article to remain at its current length, then I suggest you get to work. And even then, some of the information here is clearly not notable and cannot remain even if it is cited. Dlong (talk) 19:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

What was that about editorial arbitrariness? Hpanic7342 (talk) 05:07, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

How about adding sourced statements, instead of just reverting to the previous version? -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 06:00, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Comment: The article was shortened by User:TTN (a notorious user in these parts) because most of it was original research and unencyclopedic info. But User:Paul730 and I agreed that it should be immigrated over to the South Park Wikia. If you want to contribute further, why not put the information in there? Eric Cartman could use a lot more help in the wiki-encyclopedia dedicated to his show than he could here. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 18:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for the commentary, it's appreciated to put this all in perspective. Nastajus (talk) 04:33, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

No problemo! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 20:10, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Improving entire article

I have started on improving the article, starting on the characterization section. I will be editing the rest of the article now, clearing up grammatical errors and useless drivol. Philbuck222 (talk) 21:38, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Flawless in German?

At first the article said that he mispronounced German, now it says he is flawless when speaking it. All I know is that he mispronounced Reich. Just how many mistakes did he make while speaking the language? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.116.98.75 (talk) 03:56, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

- His German is horrible, change this section please. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.49.222.232 (talk) 19:42, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Roman Catholic?

Is Cartman really a Catholic? He certainly doesn't behave like one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knowledge-is-power (talk • contribs) 14:47, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

What kind of a question? Cartman and Liane frequently are seen in the Church scenes. Cartman is just not religious. The same dicussion was brought up about Stan Marsh some ways back. As one user stated; Unless he is an idiot who just randomly attends religious ceremonies, he is Roman Catholic. The same must be said for Cartman. Try going onto SouthParkstudios.com, and asking in the FAQ section about it. And please sign your comments and post them at the bottom of the page in future. Thank you. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 02:35, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

I think you people need to assimilate the fact that there's no Eric Cartman, there's only Trey Parker and Matt Stone. Having said that, it's plainly stupid to use RL examples as arguments to portray the personality of a fictional character as if he were a real person. Wikipedia is about facts not about personal opinions on fictional people. Most of the information on this article and its talkpage is a waste of good bandwidth. Miskin (talk) 16:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The Faith +1 episode shows that Cartman was only using religion to gain money to beat Kyle in a bet, and in the end of the episode screams "F*ck Jesus" to a crowd of christians when he finds out he lost the bet. Not exactly something a religious person would do. Also, Butters claimed in that episode that the members of Cartman's group Faith + 1 weren't really Christians, they were just pretending. Cartman tells Butters to be quiet. So it seems, that Cartman goes to church because his mom brings him there, not because he wants to. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jtd00123 (talk • contribs) 20:04, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Also don't forget Cartman worships Mel Gibson, a Roman Catholic like a god - so that maybe another indication that is certainly a Roman Catholic 202.81.18.30 (talk) 04:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

AIDS

Cartman contracted AIDS in an accident during a tonsilectomy. Where can this be added in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 131.6.84.67 (talk) 02:10, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually dude, Cartman found the cure and got back to normal in the same episode. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.77.27.55 (talk) 23:38, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

The whole "cats" thing

A lot of it is original research, and plot summary. I think I'll reduce it to the core point, and the rest will be moved to his article in South Park Wiki. Anyone who thinks it should stay here can put it back, just don't revert my edits; please do it manually instead. Wilhelmina Will (talk) 21:26, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

The article

The article seems to be verging into heavy OR again.

Also this http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89375695 was posted recently and helps back up elements from the earlier article that stated Cartmans Mom was behind a lot of why Cartman is the way he is. I might add it later unless someone else wants to sooner.Darkwarriorblake (talk) 18:28, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Clyde Frog

Why does Clyde Frog redirect here, there's nothing about it is there? I think it deserves a little paragraph anyone else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.169.69.149 (talk) 23:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

If you want, you can redirect to the list of other south park residents and make a little section in there for him? Philbuck222 (talk) 22:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Origin with Eric Carmen

I know there has been a lot of speculation that Eric's name comes from Eric Carmen (a generic 80's singer). However, I can't find a reference to this. Has anyone else heard this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.60.137.134 (talk) 20:43, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Go to List of students at South Park Elementary, under "Wendy Testaburger". Click on the reference to the interview with Trey Parker, in which Trey says Wendy and Stan have had sex together. In that same interview, he says that "Cartman" is derived from someone with the surname "Carpman". Winnifred-Ian-Leonard-Harry-Ellen-Lucy-Marilyn-Ingrid-Nora-Amanda Walter-Ira-Lauren-Lalla (talk) 22:49, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Self-hating Jew?

Isn't there a hidden irony on self-hating jews throughout serial? One of Cartman's mom pretendents was, remember, Sheila Broflovski. Are there any discussions on that theme? -- 195.50.1.122 (talk) 16:26, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Cartman is not a self-hating Jew because Cartman is not Jewish - he is Roman Catholic 202.81.18.30 (talk) 04:47, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Non-practising Roman Catholic; he never really cares about religion outside of using it against Kyle or to acheive his goals. --Simpsons fan 66 11:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Good article?

My pet project for the last couple of days has been overhauling this article. It now has a photo montage, 25 references, perfect (or at least close) spelling/grammar etc, and has been reorganized and largely rewritten. I'm considering nominating it for GA status, what do "ya'all" think? --L'Aquatique[review] 04:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I concur. This is article still has lot of scope of improvement to be a featured article, but this article has improved drastically within last week. Wikipedia has to Respect Cartman's Authoritah one day or other.Slimmer Eric Cartman (talk) 22:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

HAH! So true. I guess I'll go nominate, then... L'Aqùatique[review] 22:47, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

I hate to say this, but this page is nowhere near GA status. Check current GAs like Homer Simpson, Troy McClure, Ned Flanders, Waylon Smithers and Sideshow Bob, and listen to the DVD commentaries to get more background info. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:14, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Well, remind me to never, ever become a GA reviewer, because I really strongly disagree with this. All the articles listed should be featured, a good article is merely one that is "satisfactory". Considering the goodly majority of articles here are unreferenced stubs, this article is considerably better than those... L'Aqùatique[review] 02:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, I have to concur with Scorpion here, this was far from Good Article class when you nom'd it, L'Aquatique. The aformentioned articles do not quite meet the Featured criteria, so they're fine the way they are. This particular article would need a lot of cleanup just to reach B-class, IMHO, as there is still a lot of cruftiness still exsisting. It is also very in-universe in nature. Consider giving it a sufficient re-write (or at least a good copyedit) before trying again. --Mizu onna sango15/^Discuss 21:04, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

GA review

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

   There are quite a few things that need touching up in the article.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

   There are references for some of the sections, but there are lots of unsourced statements and OR in the in pop culture section.

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

   I really don't see the point of using a montage, and it probably goes against the image policy because combining several fair use images is generally frowned upon.

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

   While the article has improved quite a bit from the state it was a few weeks ago, it still has a ways to go. The article focuses too much on the in-universe aspects of his character, but wikipedia is more about real-world information, and there is quite a bit that could be added. I suggest listening to the commentaries, reading some interviews and trying to find more creation/development info on the character. For a model of what to base the article on, see Troy McClure, a FA, or Homer Simpson, Waylon Smithers, Sideshow Bob, Ned Flanders or any other present GAs. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:25, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Keep Walking

I will work on this article as and when I get time. But I want to see Cartman article featured. It is long overdue. Slimmer Eric Cartman (talk) 03:29, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Sexuality

We don't need a section about Cartman's sexuality. He is nine years old. Raddboz (talk) 15:28, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Please refer to the above discussions. Age has little to do with his sexuality— he is indeed at the very least bi-curious. Eric has engaged in many acts and situations which could be perceived as homoerotic (see "AWESOM-O", "Le Petit Tourette", The Jeffersons (South Park episode)" and other episodes); whether or not he is nine is completely immaterial. --Mizu onna sango15/^Discuss 21:11, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

What the heck happened to this article?

It used to be so long, yet so informative and true. What happened? 72.221.127.126 (talk) 04:17, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. Perhaps this article needs to go back a few months to a prior version. Now it is consistently bad in spelling, grammar, capitalisation. The information is repetitively redundant, contains massive speculation and conclusions that cannot be substantiated and leaves out key information while focusing on things that are arguably of less importance than things that are left out. --Smacksaw (talk) 11:14, 12 July 2008 (UTC)smacksaw

Psychopath or sociopath?

NOTE: Have merged separate discussions as the article has recently been rewritten. My interpretation of the original is that there was no consensus on this question. Most editors supported the opinion of the show's creators, that the subject was broadly sociopathic. However, it was not established whether this was due to the subject's non-traditional upbringing, as portrayed in earlier seasons, his "ultimate" rejection of social norms, or a combination of both (illustrating the effects of mass, accessible culture on children). This led to "the subject should be seen as borderline psychopathic" and unsupported attempts to frame his dreams, and characterisation in fantasies, as psychopathic (the imagery in them being written about in absolute terms). Ottre (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I've noticed there's been a small revert war concerning whether Cartman is a sociopath or psycopath. As a user put it earlier on the talk page, pychopath's are usually insane and disconnected with reality, though Cartman tends to show traits which go beyond sociopathy. So what conclusion should we come to, sociopath or psychopath? Goldfishsoldier (talk) 04:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

• (Original argument for) sociopath. A psychopath loses touch with reality. Cartman is perfectly sane, however he acts in an anti-social manner for personal gain of some sort or the other. So shouldn't the line read 'sociopath'? I am aware tha psychopathy is also sociopathy, however not all sociopaths are psychopaths. I've made the edit. --86.129.97.12 (talk) 22:54, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Clarification: he's smart and evil. Nastajus (talk) 04:32, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

• I honestly can't reach a basis either. Why not include both? At least for the time being - like until the twelfth season starts in March? Wilhelmina Will (talk) 07:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
• sociopath. He has perfect understanding that he is manipulative and evil. A true psychopath never has insight to accept these things. In an episode "The List" , in the unaired footage , it is shown that instead of Kyle , he is the last kid on girls' list. So he is in cafeteria with other ugly kids. He then says "[Even though I may not be good looking] , What matters is the kind of person I am from inside". And then says "goddamn it" and slumps. He knows he is evil. Hence he cannot possibly be a psychopath. I wonder how many psychopaths will readily accept. Based on the opinions of shrinks, I will say none. Also in many episodes he openly admits he manipulates people to their advantage. I have seen one true psychopath and she was exactly opposite. Manipulative , cunning but at the same time lacking complete insight to label her behaviour so.66.165.176.60 (talk) 15:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)Swapnil
• sociopath. Comments such as this: "Eric Cartman [was always] a blatant caricature of Martin Heidegger." Corresponding media ecological perspective that the series created a culture hero uncomfortable in modernity: "Cartman's suspicions [necessarily lead to] America's old enemies." The nature of psychopathy was examined in the earlier characterisation, but the prevailing theme (as the series now concludes) seems to be that he actively desires an ideological (as opposed to religious or ethnic) focus for society. Ottre (talk) 05:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)