Talk:Choi Kwang-jo

Yoga

Hi guys im going to be removing the information on yoga, it suggests that yoga is a traditional martial art, yoga is not and has never been a martial art, yoga is a system of relaxation and stretching exercises that promote a healthy body.Please feel free to add your comments below on the discussion page.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 11:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think anybody would construe "Yoga" to mean a martial art. This article clearly says CKD incorporates "yoga-based stretching", it's obvious to most people that "yoga" is calisthenics combined with meditation. Also the kirwan CKD website says "Conventional martial arts methodology is more often based on mysticism" and implies that CKD is free of mysticism. These are the two main selling points of CKD yet they contradict each other - "CKD is free of mysticism, yet we practise yoga-based stretching". BMurray (talk) 12:27, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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CKD uses a yoga based stretch. What that means is that some of the stretches are based on yoga poses while using deep abdominal breathing. Therefore I think it is a fair comment to make and should be retained. If CKD claimed to use Yoga then it would need amending, but as it is saying its stretches are BASED on Yoga, then I personally think its fine.---- Dale Miller

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CKD stats that w traditional arts are more based on mysticism, however as you agree yoga is not a traditional martial art nor is there any mysticism yoga is what it is, and that is a strecthing based system with calisthenics and relaxation, CKD only promotes good health and uses modern science it a proven fact that yoga benefits the body, it a scientifc fact, do you agree with that! the problem with traditional martial art is that they can over a period of time be harmful to the body, when I was doing TKD all the jumping and locking made me have really bad knee problems. Has any one else found that with there training ?--90.210.142.60 (talk) 15:56, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

I said yoga is a calisthenics incorporating meditation. Yoga is steeped in mysticism, meditation being a large part of that. Choi also meditates quite often during his tungeun breathing. BMurray (talk) 21:14, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Your quite right about the meditation, and yes CKD do use this is the tungeun, this is used to relax the body and get the mind reday for training, I think what choi means about the mysticism in traditional martial arts is based more on his scentific studies into CKD the artcile is abot Kwang Jo Choi the man not about the art, this article does not say any thing about yoga!!! mysticism and traditional martial arts, you only have to watch a kung fu moving!! to see where most people believe it will work, however real training in any art is very different for the street.--90.210.142.31 (talk) 06:58, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Proven to be effective martial system

Hi guys this is a pretty bold statment, however another editor is using the same RS in relation to the yoga ref, surley if we are using the RS for the yoga ref, and in that ref it mention proven to be the most effective martial art then that must be a RS. If not both should be removed, I agree with the later, both removed. Can not afvour one ref over another in the same RS. Please correct to prevent a editing war.--Diamonddannyboy (talk) 14:48, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

It's a primary source so i've restated both as assertions rather than facts. Most effective is a whole can of worms and unless someone wants to do a round robin based on UFC 1 rules there will never be a scientifically definitive answer.--Nate1481(^t/_c) 15:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)