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Shmuel Dovid Ungar

Yes, I own some documents he was born November 23.1885. The difference between the dates of birth could arise by recalculation from the Jewish calendar. He was born in the year (5)646, which is of course the year 1886. But if the date is after September (Nov.23),in Jewish calendar is next year already. So the year (5)646 means 1885.

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Dear Alex, Thanks for the note. Do you mind inserting your reference into the article? I will make the changes to the birthdate and change the category to 1885 births. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 00:00, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Dear Yoninah,

thank you for changes to the birthdate in the article, I do not think inserting my reference is needful, important is that the birthdate be correct. Unfortunately, all the articles I have seen on Internet have the birthdate 1886 (even the articles of renowned authors). Now I hope they all will make it correct.

The article of S.D.UNGAR is really good, are you the author? If so,I would like to know the sources.

I know two of them: S.Fried - A Cry from the Pages and A.Fuchs - The Unheeded Cry.

Best wishes

Alex

Dear Alex, Now you are telling me something that doesn't work well on Wikipedia. As the core policy statement reads in Wikipedia:No original research:

Wikipedia does not publish original research or original thought. This includes unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position. This means that Wikipedia is not the place to publish your own opinions, experiences, or arguments.

Any material that is challenged or likely to be challenged must be supported by a reliable source. Material for which no reliable source can be found is considered original research. The only way you can show that your edit does not come under this category is to produce a reliable published source that contains that same material.

If you are not able to supply a reference for the 1885 date, and if every other reference on the Internet and in printed literature cites 1886, then we have to go with 1886. Are you able to add a reference to the article? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 20:52, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Dear Yoninah, I can sent you a copy of a document, write me where to, Alex

You can post it on my talk page. But isn't it part of a book or something? Why can't you just cite the reference in the article? See all the references to the birthdate and parentage of Rabbi Avrohom Bornsztain for example. Yoninah (talk) 00:39, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

I try to put the documents on your talk page, till now unsuccessfully. The first is a copy of document - List of Jews (approximately 1944), the second a copy of Card Index (both with the dates of birth ). I hope to manage it. Alex

Unfortunately, my effort to post the archive documents on your talk page or to cite a reference in the article failed. The problem is, the documents are in a form of mail "attach". Do you have another idea how solve it? Alex