User talk:Ezhiki

Yo? Yo!

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Hello, Ezhiki. There is a response from me, below the message you left in the ".234" section of my talk page.
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Hmm, sorry abt that false time stamp! Jerzy•t 20:20, 9 & 00:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
I've now fixed it with the new subst'd version and correct date.
--Jerzy•t 00:21, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

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WHACK!

--Russavia ^Dialogue 07:27, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

You know, first of all, since I never explicitly opted in for any fish-related activities, you are technically in violation of the Cabal Decree #2 and hence are subject to all kinds of severe and unusual punishments. I'll come back to that once I am finished with more pressing matters (vandalizing Kumyk articles comes to mind... so tempting!).

Regarding the template, I am simply overjoyed by your sincere enthusiasm to go through ~400 references (and counting) and re-format them properly. I know the only reason you have not yet started is because you like to expand the pleasure of anticipation. We all do that now and then; it's understandable. Nevertheless, per your request (as well as to add to the wonders this joyful day lit by a gaily shining sun is going to bring us), I have added two new parameters to the template (ru_url and en_url). Normally, I simply incorporate the url into the title, but after having reflected on this, having dedicated fields probably makes more sense, so here we are.

I did not, however, quite grasp what kind of presentation problem you were going to point me to. The example you provided looks just fine to me—what seems to be the problem? Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:53, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

With all due respect, you are well aware that WP is a collaborative effort, and we collaborate on the basis of WP:CONSENSUS. So if one wants to discuss trout slapping, that discussion would look something like this...

Against trout slapping

• Ezhiki

For trout slapping

• Russavia
• Malcolm (ok, I am merely basing this upon his comments on your article vandalism)

So it appears that consensus is pretty clear, although I would imagine that Malcolm would like to take to you with one of these, and I could somewhat be inclined to change my opinion inline with that.

In regards to the template, I'll come back to you shortly with some information, just need to see if I can track something down myself first. And in regards to presentation problems, I don't know what that was in regards to? Please explain. --Russavia ^Dialogue 23:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

I am not inclined to discuss consensus at this time, but tremble you should—I will return to the subject. Now where's that goddamn black book of mine when you need it?!

Regarding the presentation problems, what was this edit summary in reference to? The "seeing how it looks" part? Incidentally, why use all caps for the title?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:38, January 21, 2009 (UTC)

Shit sorry man, didn't see this until now. The title was in all caps because as I don't have a Russian keyboard, it was easier for me to simply copy and paste it from the Kremlin website, however, I have now changed it to lower case, and will do future titles in lower case also.

BTW, you a fan of the Pirates of the Caribbean? Take a look at this, and if you are, you will totally get it. Good stuff and quite a funny parody. --Russavia ^Dialogue 18:20, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Nah, didn't like the first one, so never bothered to watch the sequel (or is it sequels by now?).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:09, January 30, 2009 (UTC)

Can you comment please

Hey man, enjoyed your trip to Vegas? By the time you read this, I will be half-way thru my relaxation period in beautiful Krabi. As you know I have been be working on the Hero's list, and User:Ellol is also giving a helping hand with creation of articles, some of them stubs. In order to be able to sort these stubs, I've created a stub-type. And it's now been nominated for deletion at Wikipedia:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BHero-of-Russia-stub.7D.7D. I feel that this is self-annointed wikibureaucracy gone mad in action here, and there is disregarding of what is helpful for editors who may be editing in these areas. Can you please pipe in with whatever your opinion is when you return. Cheers, --Russavia ^Dialogue 06:19, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Ping! --Russavia ^Dialogue 02:58, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Crapster; I completely missed this one. Will respond tomorrow. Sorry!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 03:18, January 21, 2009 (UTC)

OK, I thought long and hard about it, and here is my backstabbing (backstubbing?) decision I settled my conscience on. Business is business.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:57, January 21, 2009 (UTC)

Also, I forgot to answer here. I appreciate your response, even though I do disagree with it. Of course we wouldn't intend for stubs to be stubs forever, but isn't that true of all stub types? I can see no other way to stub sort these articles, so that people can see what "Hero of Russia" articles are still stubs, without having to do through potentially 750 articles to do it (and more as more Heroes are announced). Can you think of another to do it neatly and quickly? I'll throw it open to you. --Russavia ^Dialogue 13:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

We can add a note to the {{WPRUSSIA}} assessement banner that deals with the Heroes of Russia, which would allow auto-sorting all Heroes stubs into a separate cat. We'll have to poke around to see how exactly it is done, but I know I've seen it in action before, and it seems to work just as well as a separate stub type would.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:58, January 30, 2009 (UTC)

OK, well remember the changes I suggested to the template a while ago? Perhaps we can do the whole lot at once? I'll try to dig out the list of what the changes were --Russavia ^Dialogue 19:36, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Yup, I remember, and it does make sense to do them all at once. I also remember that I almost started looking into this, but one look at {{WPBannerMeta}}'s documentation put me off. That's where that half a liter would come in handy :)—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:42, January 30, 2009 (UTC)

Governor General of Moscow

Hi there. Can you help with my little archaelogical dig? I was wondering if you could dig out some info about Governor General of Moscow named Hershelman (ca. 1908-1910). Was there even such title? Please reply on talk page of WP:LITH. Gracious thanks! Renata (talk) 18:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Judging by the thread you referred me to, this has been resolved. Please let me know if there is anything you'd like to have me look into further. (Incidentally, sorry about the late response—I've been away). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 20:53, January 19, 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it's been resolved re Governor General. Would you have anidea who was "General Fenga"? Just curious. (I hope you had a great vacation somewhere warm). Renata (talk) 22:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Heh, compared to −15°F at home, pretty much any place would seem warm :) Regarding Fenga, I have no idea who that is. A did a quick search, and found no leads whatsoever. Sorry!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:56, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

Vandalisme

Bonjour, Hérisson, c'est encore moi.

Bon, j'écris en français, puisque vous préférez le pratiquer, au détriment du yakoute !

Si vous me lisez un peu partout, vous verrez combien je hais les administrateurs, stewards, et autres IGNARROGANTS qui polluent les divers projets Wikimedia. Aussi, ma suggestion peut sembler curieuse, à l'un d'entre eux.

J'ai dans ma « Watchlist » toutes les pages sur lesquelles je suis intervenu : 1,471 à l'heure actuelle.

Ce dont je me rends compte, c'est que je passe beaucoup de temps en « revert vandalism » sur les pages relatives aux personnages bibliques, Abraham, Isaac, Solomon, Paul, James…, et que ces vandalismes sont la plupart du temps dus à des utilisateurs anonymes, des adresses IP. D'où ma suggestion : Pourquoi ne pas protéger ces pages « sensibles » avec la protection minimale : « This page is currently semi-protected, and can be edited only by established registered users. » ; ça n'enlève aucune liberté aux utilisateurs de bonne foi, ça éloignera les anonymes vandales, et ça évitera une charge de travail importante aux utilisateurs et aux ordinateurs ! (Chaque page de Saint Paul altérée, c'est 60 Ko de perdus !)

Pour avoir la liste (une première liste) de pages à protéger, vous pouvez commencer avec ceci…

Salut, Américain !

Budelberger (talk) 14:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC) ().

Hi, Budelberger! I don't know about other Wikipedias, but here, in the English edition, heavily vandalized articles can be semi-protected no problem, in full accordance with WP:SEMI. This protection can be indefinite for pages "subject to heavy and persistent vandalism or violations of content policy". Whether a page is subject to such condition, however, is up to the judgement of an administrator who is invested in the topic covered by the article in question. What this means is that I can't just systematically go through your list and indef-semi-protect whatever you have on it, because I am simply not comfortable doing so due to my insufficient knowledge of the topics covered and, thus, being unable to determine what level of vandalism would be normal or unusually high. On the other hand, if for any particular article in your list you happen to know an administrator who routinely edits in that area, they should be able to apply indef-semi-protect when asked, providing, of course, that their perception of the level of vandalism matches the definition in WP:SEMI. Whether you consider the said administrators to be polluters and ignoramuses, should not, in the end, affect their decision :) Hope this helps, and thanks for an opportunity to practice my French (to prevent you from dying from laughter while reading my response in French, I am responding in English as to provide you with a similar practice opportunity).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 22:04, January 19, 2009 (UTC)

« ignoramus » : « character in Ruggle's ‘Ignoramus’ (1615) exposing lawyers' ignorance »… says my (only) book, The Concise Oxford Dictionary… Thanks for your longue réponse, but don't you think we risquons d'être bannis de Wikipedia, for overuse of bytes ?!… You and I can't answer in one word… I hate Administrateurs. They are ugly, analphabêtes, illiterate, IGNARROGANTS. So I can't ask each of them : « Beloved Conducator, your Honneur, kneeling at Your Feet, may I beg you… ». It's not me. Wikipedia préfère le vandalisme à l'intelligence, ça ne m'étonne pas. L'intelligence, c'est ce qu'on y trouve de moins répandu.

N'existe-t-il pas un Template qui pourrait dire « Article proposé pour une protection minimale contre le vandalisme » ? Ainsi, je pourrais l'inclure rapidement dans les Talk pages (plutôt que dans l'article lui-même) des articles soumis au vandalisme répété. Ensuite, les Excellences décideront, s'ils bénéficient à ce moment précis du demi-octet de matière grise qu'Elles ont en partage.

--Budelberger (talk) 02:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC) (). (P.-S. : Voulez-vous que je vous donne quelques exemples de l'intelligence stupéfiante d'Administrateurs et assimilés ?… Peut-être en avez-vous vous-même une stupéfiante collection… P.-P.-S. : Votre yakoute avance-t-il ? Et pourquoi n'écrivez-vous pas en français ? j'ai tellement besoin de mourir…)

I do have a stupefying collection myself, and it, regretfully, contains a few examples of my own behavior. Regarding kneeling at their feet, that's not precisely what I had in mind. I am an admin, yet you have no problem asking me, right? I honestly don't care whether you include me with the ugly, analphabêtes, illiterate, ignarrogant bunch—we are all illiterate about something, and in a project about everything that is bound to show sooner or later, especially among admins, who are supposed to be able to deal with all kinds of fires. A bad admin is not bad because he does not know something (perhaps very important) about some topic, s/he is bad because s/he is unable to admit it to others or is actively trying to pull rank on regular editors because of his/her status. Me, like I said, I prefer to edit the topics I know something about and delegate the rest to folks who know better.

Anyway, regarding the template, I don't believe there is one. You can still drop a note on an article's talk page requesting semi-protection, though. I understand this is probably less than an ideal solution for you, but it is still better than asking around to see if there is a consenting admin available to cast a semi-prot wand :) Hopefully, the vandalism issue will be alleviated to a large degree once Flagged Revisions are implemented.

On that note, I wanted to ask you whether the vandalism to the articles on your list is corrected fairly efficiently. If it is, it may be better in the long run to avoid any kind of protection (on the off-chance that in IP makes an edit that is actually useful—even in this day and age it is still not unfathomable). If it is not, it should be fairly obvious to any person who watches the article, especially to the admins; in which case semi-prot would be justified. Call me an idealist, but I still like unprotected articles better than protected ones, even if it means more work :)

Finally, regarding French, it is not that much a matter of me not wanting to write back in this beautiful language, as it is the fact that, for various reasons, my passive French vocabulary exceeds my active vocabulary by several orders of magnitude. To add to that, my grammar is virtually non-existent—while I intuitively understand how sentences are constructed and why they are constructed one way and not the other, constructing them on my own is pure torture. Nothing a good practice can't cure, but since there is absolutely no place to use French in my life now, even if I practice, my French will deteriorate back to its current miserable condition once I stop.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:24, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

Fershampenuaz

Hi! Yes, it is only a village, but it is a center of a District also. If there is a relevant template, feel free to add. Best regards, --CopperKettle 21:20, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

No, sorry, we don't have a relevant template for villages of Chelyabinsk Oblast (even those which are administrative centers). With over 1,200 villages in Chelyabinsk Oblast, you can imagine such a template would be quite long, not to mention useless :) I suppose we could create a template with all of the administrative centers of all districts, but, again, I don't see much practical use in it. If you have any other ideas, though, I'm open. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 21:44, January 20, 2009 (UTC)

A little help please

I am working on User:Russavia/Dmitry at the moment, and am having some difficulty trying to find sources for the article. All I have found thus far is this, but it won't be enough upon which to build an article, or at least not one that I can get for DYK. Is there any chance that you can do a search also and see if you can find anything? Cheers, --Russavia ^Dialogue 16:00, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Since I don't have access to any other sources on this subject beyond the web, all I've been able to find was that same site (and its copy-paste variations). Looks to me it is one of those cases where it is clear that the information exists, but it is just not online. Hate when that happens, too :( I normally put such articles on a list of things to re-check in a year—it works more often than one would imagine.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:30, January 22, 2009 (UTC)

I found this which seems to have been taken from "Солдат удачи" journal. We could use that you think? --Russavia ^Dialogue 16:36, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

I found that, too, but couldn't view it because the site is apparently classified as "adult/mature content" by my employer. Huh?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:51, January 22, 2009 (UTC)

Try accessing it via http://www.limitkiller.com/ and see if it works now? ;) --Russavia ^Dialogue 16:56, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

That site is a proxy avoidance site, and is killed by the filter as well :) The яndex cache link, however, seems to be unaffected, so I accessed the site through that. Seeing the actual source would be great, but in the meanwhile I don't see why referencing the joural via the link to this site shouldn't work, although copyright issues come to mind...—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:29, January 22, 2009 (UTC)

Tell your employer from me that they suck. I am trying to find the December 2006 issue of this magazine online, and can still reference it that way (without providing the copyvio link of course). I'll see how I go. --Russavia ^Dialogue 18:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Vanino, Khabarovsk Krai

Ezhiki, I've noticed that a while back you've renamed Vanino to Vanino, Khabarovsk Krai, and used the former name for what could have been called Vanino (disambiguation). Are you sure that this is the best approach - considering that the Khabarovsk Krai Vanino is the only one that is known much outside of its immediate area? While it's still (surprisingly to me) a poselok and not a city, it surely has population ten times as large as that of all Vanino villages elsewhere put together, and, due to its port, is shown on most general-purpose maps (e.g. in decent world atlases).And the Google search pulls 45,000 references to "Vanino" - maybe half of those are not to the port city but to people with the Italian surname Vanino, but how many of them are to the Vanino villages? Vmenkov (talk) 01:33, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

My philosophy is to use the main title (Vanino, in this case) as disambiguation whenever no large (my personal cutoff is at 100K) or historically significant entities are involved; for consistency sake. Vanino in Khabarovsk Krai, of course, is way more important and well-known than any other Vaninos throughout Russia (which are all tiny villages, as you correctly noted), but it is still only an urban-type settlement with a population of less than 20,000 people. On the world-wide scale, it is one of thousands of similarly small places. I just didn't feel there was enough justification to make it the main article.

That said, do I care much if it is made the main article? The answer is "no". As long as all related articles are integrated and interlinked properly, it makes no difference from the maintenance or development point of view how the nodes of the dab-articles structure are aligned. I just want to ask that you give one more thought to whether this place is indeed as important as you think it is (especially to the English-speaking audience, which the English edition of Wikipedia targets), and if your answer is still "yes", I'll gladly move the articles back for you. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:53, January 23, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining your criteria. I just felt that Vanino, small as it is, appears in the news or on the web - in Russia or internationally - a lot more than an average town of a similar population would, mostly because of its port facilities near the end point of the B&A Railway. But I too don't have particularly strong feelings about how articles are names, as long as they can be found - so I won't mind too much if the article stays where it is untill Vanino is made a city (which, I suppose, it will be one day). Vmenkov (talk) 00:35, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Alaska purchase assessment question

Just curious why you switched from WP:Russian history to WP:Russia....is WP:Russian history deprecated now?Skookum1 (talk) 16:07, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

There was a discussion a while ago about merging WP Russian History into WP Russia. The participants of the former project did not object to the merge, yet no one started to do anything about it either. So, when doing assessments, I switch WP Russian history to WP Russia whenever I get an opportunity to do so. Best,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:20, January 23, 2009 (UTC)

Oh, OK, I've been making a lot of Russian America-related articles lately, or adding templates to ones I find anyway; I'll just use WP:Russia from now on (premise was Category:Russian America was a historical context not a current-Russia one, but....).Skookum1 (talk) 16:25, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Since WP:Russia covers not only modern Russia, but all of its history as well (going all the way back to Kievan Rus'), this should not present a problem. Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:33, January 23, 2009 (UTC)

OK good to know in future; you may wish to go through Category:Russian America and its subcats for assessement purposes, and also please note subcat name debates, I think they're on Talk:Russian America and add your thoughts, if any; maybe if they're not there then on Talk:History of Alaska, I'm not sure just now, been lots of places since.....Skookum1 (talk) 17:06, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Dabs

I understand not saturating with links, but 1 per line, seems like a "made-up" rule. ---Don't take me the wrong way :) --- For example, look at your user page and you have both the day of the year and the year as links , that is 2 links in 1 line. The name of the founder of the language is a good link, as is the name of the country where a location is. Also, concerning Sakha State University, aren't disambiguation pages meant as a way to help users out and make it as easy as possible. If it is known as that name it should be there on the disambiguation page. I say this because all the other disambiguation pages I have run across have all permutations, even closely spelled words. speednat (talk) 17:55, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

If you want my personal opinion, then yes, having more than one blue link per line on disambiguation pages makes all the sense. The community, however, begs to differ, as attested by the disambiguation pages guidelines. The rationale behind this approach is that disambig pages are not articles. (Articles, of course, can have as many links as needed on one line, and so can user pages like mine or yours). I am merely enforcing the guideline the community agreed upon.

Regarding the university, that, again, is covered by MOSDAB. I recommend you read through that guideline, and hopefully my stance will become much clearer to you. Of course, if you have any questions, feel free to ask me, or you can ask any of the fine folks at WP:DAB, many of whom are a lot more passionate about this subject than I am :) Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:07, January 23, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info, (links), makes all the sense nowspeednat (talk) 18:17, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Khiatka

That's how i remember the name anyway; in Derek Pethick's account of the Pacific NW fur trade, in either his First Voyages to the Northwest Coast (First Explorations?) or The Nootka Connection, he discusses the importance of a fur-trading entrepot on the Russo-Chinese border in the Russian Far East, which played a central role in the world fur trade with China (the biggest and most important market, apparently, as it was via Canton as well). Can't find anything on "Khiatka", maybe I've misspelled it or remembered it wrong....thought maybe you might be a person to ask....Skookum1 (talk) 14:27, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Kyakhta, perhaps?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:44, January 24, 2009 (UTC)

Must be...misremembered where the /kh/ was I guess - Kiakhta must have been Pethick's name, it's been a long time since I read his books; another editor here is reviewing other materials on the fur trade and maybe it's in there as well; apparently the fur market there virtually dictated world prices, or influenced them, and it's known that furs from Canada were shipped to Russia via Murmansk/St. Petersburg for sale to the Chinese that way, and some of those furs were even those collected in New Caledonia and the Columbia District, which are in today's BC and WA/OR....if I come across a copy of Pethick I'll maybe add what he says to the article, if I remember that is. I'm far from the Pacific Northwest now, so the likelihood of coming across the books is "not very" but I'll keep my eyes open; an interesting tidbit; I had the imperssion it was over by the Amur but Pethick never did say.....Skookum1 (talk) 20:02, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Indeed, this is definitely Kyakhta - the quinetessential point of trade contact between China and Russia, and practically the only one in the 18th and the first half of the 19th century. Rasputin has an eminently readable chapter on it in his Siberia, Siberia (translated into English and available to read on Google Books or Amazon preview). Vmenkov (talk) 01:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Ust Nera

Do you think Ust Nera should be moved to Ust-Nera? Best regards -Nikai (talk) 12:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Absolutely. Russian "Ust" is always hyphenated. I've moved the article and combed it a little bit, too. Thanks for catching this!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:27, January 26, 2009 (UTC)

FYI Khabarovsk

I have created a new section inviting debate on the subject of moving Khabarovsk to Khabarovsk (city) on talk:Khabarovsk speednat (talk) 17:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks; I've replied there. Also, you may want to visit WP:RM to propose a move officially (I'll, of course, still be against, but at least you'll get a chance to receive feedback from a wider audience). Cheers,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 17:59, January 26, 2009 (UTC)

Neutral notice of RfC

Privet Ezhiki, Ya jel tvi goda Odessa, maya jena Khazakstani, moy sin Ukranski. Ya ochin, ohcin skochio odessu.

I am considering letting the larger community know about an RfC, with the following notice:

  ==Request for comments on articles for individual television episodes==
A request for comments has been started that could affect the inclusion 
or exclusion of episode and character, as well as other fiction articles. Please 
visit the discussion at 
Wikipedia_talk:Notability_(fiction)#Final_adoption_as_a_guideline.

Would this be okay to post on these pages:

• List_of_Television_Episodes,
• Category:American comedy television series,
• Category:American drama television series

Thank you. Ikip (talk) 04:16, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Ikip! Odessa rules :) I've only been there once myself, but absolutely loved it. Sure beats boring Kiev.

Anyhoo, with regards to your question, since the purpose of any RfC is to learn community's reaction to a situation/proposal/etc., it makes all the sense to bring the attention of editors interested in the subject to the discussion. Talk pages of relevant cats are fine, but, in my experience, the cat pages tend not to be watched by too many editors (it still wouldn't hurt to post there). Other logical places for such a notice would be WT:TV and WT:Television episodes. Hope this helps!—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 14:43, January 29, 2009 (UTC)

I never have liked kiev. we went back last summer. It is a parking lot. Dirty, a lot of pollution, and so many cars. It was charming from 2000-2002, now it is just ugly.

thank you so much for your opinion. Ikip (talk) 15:20, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

What part of russia are you from? Ikip (talk) 02:12, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

This one.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:37, January 30, 2009 (UTC)

Can you provide some assistance here please

Hi Ezhiki, you know that I regard you as a neutral admin, and I would like some assistance from you if possible. I have updated the article List_of_most_common_surnames#Estonia with information sourced to RIA Novosti which presents that Ivanov is the most popular surname in Estonia. There appears that a group of editors (particularly Martintg) is stalking my edits, and proving to be quite troublesome, in that they are making my editing time on wikipedia to be quite difficult, this is pure harrassment. Evidence of this can be found here. User:Miacek has reverted my sourced edits here due to it not having anything to do with environment/nature. OK, I could have changed the sentence, but it is still a tedious edit to make. I have then re-added the information into the article, and changed the wording. As you can see from that revision User:Martintg has reverted it because he doesn't believe RIA Novosti is reliable. I have added the information back in and advised Martintg to take it to the reliable sources noticeboard if he doubts the veracity of the information. User:Oth, which you can see here with edit summary of removing RIA Novosti's POV (although he has sourced it to the article which I found below) (I didn't assume good faith with Oth's revert originally, and I have noted that on his talk page at User_talk:Oth#List_of_most_common_surnames.) None of these editors have edited the article previously, all 3 are from Estonia, and I can find no evidence at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Estonia, or on editors talk pages that notification has been given by editors in relation to those edits, so there is unabashed stalking going on here. I am fast losing good faith with this, in particular User:Martintg. I have posted on his talk page at User_talk:Martintg#List_of_most_common_surnames advising him that I am getting pissed with his stalking of my edits, and in general just making my editing here on WP a hassle to do. As I have told him on his talk page, if he bothered to even read the source, blind freddy can see that RIA has sourced this information to Eesti Ekspress, yet they are being WP:TEDIOUS in questioning the veracity of the Russian source (which isn't a surprise, I see it all the time, and its based on their own POV). I don't speak Estonian, but I managed to find the Eesti Ekspress website, and I managed to find the article that RIA Novosti referenced. It took me all of 25 seconds. The article is here, so one can see that it took me not only 25 seconds to find the article which actually validates RIA Novosti's information, but gives a full list of the top 500 Estonian names. If I could this, then surely editors who are Estonia or speak Estonian could check this for themselves, instead of breaching WP:V, WP:AGF, WP:STALK, WP:HARRASS. Could you please give these editors, in particular Martintg due to his continuous harrassment and stalking, a Template:Digwuren enforcement warning, so that I may now go back to the article, and add more information into it without the bullshit. --Russavia ^Dialogue 13:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Regarding "Ivanov" being the most common last name in Estonia, I can very well imagine that could be true (which raises an interesting question of why it is so, since it is definitely not the most common last name in Russia; but I digress). However, I am always very skeptical of statements which are sourced to a media reference (or even a handful of media references, for that matter). I've voted to delete "Putinjugend", "phone call to Putin", and a score of other things based precisely on my belief that media references should only be used in addition to reliable academic sources, not instead of them. Media these days (even those which used to be considered reputable, and still are, by the force of inertia) are hell-bent on finding sensationalist material even among the most mundane of the news, and they all seem to have an agenda to push (market segmentation in action, I guess). Academia, at least, does not have that drive for profits the media do (although even they are, of course, prone to yielding to pressure when it comes to grant money).

Anyway, to cut long story short, if you want my support regarding the Ivanov statement, I'm afraid I can't offer it to you (unless you can find better sources, that is). As for the situation surrounding the statement (stalking, accusations, all that kind of crap), it does look ugly. In the past, I would have probably looked into all this, tabulated the actions of all sides into nice little tables, mapped them to the appropriate policies/guidelines, sprinkled with my interpretations, and presented the output as my educated opinion, but I don't do that anymore. First, it is an enormous waste of time, and second, it never seems to affect anyone or anything. The best this approach of mine ever produced was both sides politely agreeing that both sides acted inappropriately on various occasions, perhaps even agreeing on letting that particular issue go, but later this would all repeat all over again over something else. Frankly, I am sick and tired of all this bickering. I can present logical intepretations until cows come home (by now you've had a chance to see that), I can scorn the bickering parties left and right, but at the end of the day it always turns out that everyone would be better served by heading directly to ArbComm. When it's a minor misunderstanding, I can help; when it's a full-scale war, I cannot.

I realize this is not the kind of response you expected, but please try to understand why I decided not to help. In the beginning, things were fairly simple with you and them. Even though I may not have been overly enthusiastic about getting involved then, that was mostly due to various external reasons, and I did try to help when I could. Now, it seems that fires are burning in all directions, and I just can't serve as a one-man arbitration committee; that's not what I signed up to be here for (had I wanted that, I'd just run for an ArbComm seat). I do like you because even though my views of the world are more in line with Biophys' than yours, you nevertheless manage to remain neutral (as is humanly possible) when writing content. You also understand that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a billboard for political statements (although the creation of "eSStonia" did cast some doubts). I cannot in good conscience respect a person who would write something like "phone call to Putin" and not only present it as true encyclopedic material, but fiercly defend it when pointed out that it is, in fact, not, and completely ignore several requests for finding qualified sources. To me, that's a giveaway that the person is not here to contribute, s/he is here to advocate, and no matter how much I agree with the cause being advocated, my duty here is first and foremost to the encyclopedia.

In the end, if you want my sincere advice about how to proceed, an advice coming from a human being (rather than a human being in an admin role), it is "fuck 'em". Let them write their idiotic little pieces about whatever flashy neologisms they can find in whatever "sources" they can lay their hands on. Our readers are not complete morons; they will ignore articles where bias is so blatantly obvious. Don't feed the trolls; let them fuckers starve. When they leave due to the lack of attention (and leave they will), the cleanup can commence.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 15:36, January 30, 2009 (UTC)

Feck it, I had a response to you almost done when I accidentally closed Firefox, I will reply in good time. When you get a chance, can you look above at the stub thingo, there's a question for ya there. No rush. Cheers, --Russavia ^Dialogue 17:58, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Can you please protect these

Ezhiki, can you please protect Template:HeroRussia1 and Template:HeroRussia2. They are being used in the Hero's list in order to keep the actual KB count on the article down as much as possible. As it is specially worded, and I believe that both of them as correct translations from the Russia, it would be best to protect them so as to protect against changes which will affect the wording on the article. Cheers --Russavia ^Dialogue 18:38, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

I've semied them (will change to full protect if there is an incident). Incidentally, what's the point of them? If it's to save a few keystrokes, then it's probably better to be substing instead of transcluding them, or was their purpose something else?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 18:52, January 30, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, not so much to save keystrokes, but to save on kilobytes in the actual article. What's the difference between substing and transcluding? Please explain. --Russavia ^Dialogue 18:55, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

When you subst a template, you type {{subst:HeroRussia1}} instead of {{HeroRussia1}}. Substed templates automatically copy whatever output the template produces and save it verbatim in the article's source (so when you edit the article next time, you will see the actual text instead of the template reference). It's really easier to understand by trying it once in a sandbox, but if you are interested in technical details, see WP:SUBST.

Kilobyte-wise, you are not really saving anything, because the templates expand anyway when the wikicode is converted to HTML (in fact, you are making the page load even slower for the readers, because it takes time to substitute the templates during the conversion).—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:06, January 30, 2009 (UTC)

OK, I got it. I'll keep the templates so that I can subst them. Anyway, the article itself is going to be around 500kb in size when all is said and done, so I will turn them into individual pages and subst them like this....User:Russavia/List of Heroes-All. --Russavia ^Dialogue 19:42, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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Kings of Chaos (album)

I was trying to undo a cut and paste move of Kings of Chaos (album). --Joshua Issac (talk) 19:15, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Well, you did fine. I simply restored the redirect that was out there originally. Is there anything else that needs to be done that I'm missing? Thanks.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 19:18, February 2, 2009 (UTC)

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