Talk:Joker (character)

Although it is never stated in the movie, the series from which this movie was spun off from has stated on numerous occasions that, in its continuity, The Joker's real name is also Jack Napier.

As for instance? To the best of my recollection, the series mentions the name "Jack Napier" exactly once, and on that occasion it's explicitly described as an alias. --Paul A 06:19, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Andy Dick for Joker

Director Christopher Nolan should cast Andy Dick as The Joker in BATMAN BEGINS 2.

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Super-crazy

In Elseworlds: Distant Fires, after a nuclear holocost all the superheroes who had powers survived but lost their powers, and all who had no powers were dead. The Joker was alive but sane.

In Amalgam: Marvel vs. DC, the Joker recognized Spider Man, and even criticized him changing his costume even thogh Spider Man had never (in this plot line) been in the DC universe - he had been plucked from one universe to another.

This suggests that the Joker's insanity is a super power. I'm going to try to write it up.Harvestdancer 22:57, 11 Feb 2005 (UTC)

• Joker had been in the DC Universe, when he and Carnage teamed-up in the Batman/Spider-Man crossover.

You mean Joker has been in the MARVEL universe right?

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Also note that in the same Marvel vs DC comic, the Green Lantern and the Silver Surfer mention that they previously worked together to save their corresponding universes, a reference to a crossover in which they were starring in (one that also showed the "box" of Marvel vs DC in its epilogue). It's entirely possible and fully logical that the Joker remembers Spiderman for the same reason the Green Lantern and Silver Surfer remember each other. Spiderman might not remember the Joker because there were two people donning the Spiderman mask at the time, it could've been that different Spidermans were in the two crossovers. Then again it is not made clear if the Spiderman in Marvel vs DC is who - Reilly or Parker.

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Just want to point out, the Elseworlds are completely diferent realities from the regular DCUniverse. If we are to use the Elseworlds to prove if the insanity is a super power, I'd like to refer you to Act of God. A purple light causes all super powered beings (good and bad) to lose their powers, leaving the superheroes and supervillians with no powers, but with technology, still active. Joker, in the imploy of Lex Luthor, abducts Booster Gold, Blue Beetle and another hero for experiments. Here the Joker is just as nuts as ever.

The Batman: Joker origins

"Most recently, a very different version of the character appeared in the new animated series The Batman. No explanation for this Joker's origin has yet been given, "

I just watched an episode of The Batman in which Joker has a flashback of himself falling into a vat of chemicals, while ranting about an over-controlling "Boss" "Pushing him over the edge".

I have such a poor memory that I can't remember the name of the episode, or all the relevant details, but suffice it to say, the origin has at least been hinted at. -This episode was the first part of what is I presume a two parter showing the origin of clayface. Luckily I have it Tivo'd so I will be able to have all those details available shortly.

Porn star

There also is a Porn star by the name Jack Napier (porn star). --Abdull 10:29, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Assorted Flash#53 has Wally West speculate that the Joker is a sexual invert.

Aside from that, Deadman could not possess the Joker due to his insanity in a time-travel story.

hmm is Killing Joke thought of as an elseworld these days?

Homosexuality and Regenerative powers?

In comic message boards it's often speculated that the Joker has romantic feelings for Batman. I've found some evidence that supports this like:

• In Frank Miller's The Dark Knight Returns the Joker repeatedly refered to Batman as "my sweet" and "sweetie" in Miller's. Les Daniels also commented on this in the history of Batman as well as his lipstick wearing. There is also a supposed backstory that I haven't found where the Joker actually raped Jason Todd before killing him.
• In Brian Azzarello's Broken City story arc he stated "I love surprises almost as I love you" to Batman.
• In Mask of The Phantasm he comments on Batman being cute.
• In Grant Morrison's Arkham Asylum: A Serious House on Serious Earth: he slaps Batman's ass, tries to grill him on his relationship with Robin, wears high heels and wants him to admit he's just like him as well as make him live in the same "house".
• Though it is not a sign that he's gay he frequently denies Harley Quinn sexual attention.
• Theres also his constant complimenting of Batman and remarking how they're two of a kind.

These are the ones I can think off the top of my head but I remember seeing many more, can anyone provide me with more sources that support this theory?

It's also been theorized that he may have Green Goblin/Wolverine style regenerative powers. In nearly every comic I've read with his he gets those huge teeth of his knocked out and he has survived so many near deaths and normally fatal wounds yet he appears the next time not only fully recovered but spry as a spring. No bullet or stab wounds are shown, he has a full set of teeth and so on. This includes more serious ones such as having a kneecap shattered at the end of No Man's Land. Though this may be true of many comic characters this happens to him too frequently. Is this worthy of an addition to the article?

Its a comic. He's crazy. Why make it more complicated then it actually is. Sunburst 15:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Origins of the creation

I don't think the inspiration should be credited to Conrad Veidt's Gwynplaine alone. Jerry Robinson and Bill Finger cited sources like a Coney Island statue and a specific Joker Card.

original research

An awful lot of this Character Analysis section of this article smacks of original research, particularly the material about the symbolic significance of the character and speculation about Friedrich Nietzsche. If these are other than the pet theories of the editor, they need to be sourced. Otherwise, I'd like to start moving the questionable sections off the main page and onto this one. --Misterwindupbird 05:24, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

It is a valid point to make, i may raise the thesis on Everything 2 another date. --Raddicks 21:05, 7 November 2005 (UTC)