User talk:Harryzilber

Please help in deletion

I need help in deleting an article. A family member of Scott Kalapos has requested that the article about him be removed, but when I tried remove the page I was stopped by an autobot (I think). If you or one of the other admins could help get the page taken down I'd really appreciate it.

Thanks!

Thanks a lot for helping me to improve the article "SMK Semera".--Mark Chung (talk) 04:37, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

You can call me "STEW"PID

Sorry, I didn't notice your comment (on March) on SMK Semera talkpage until now. FYI, I rarely reads talkpage. Anyway, thanks for the comment.--Mark Chung (talk) 04:25, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Kindly point me in the right direction

{{adminhelp}} I've posted the following text below at both 'Help Desk' and 'WP:VPT', but am not sure those are the correct locations. A responder at the Help Desk said that it should go elsewhere, but I don't see a Help Desk at WikiSource. Pls take a quick look and suggest where the best location would be... Thanks HarryZilber (talk) 21:49, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

==Large volume media additions to WikiSource and/or Commons==

First off, I'm making the assumption that this is the correct location for discussions on Wikisouce and Commons, which might not be correct.

Question: is there Wiki software available to allow Wikipedia users to view image files (of books/magazines/journals) on the left side of the user's display, with the matching digital article on the right side of the screen? That seems to me to be the ideal: viewing the original document/book/journal/newsclipping complete with illustrations and photos on the left side, while having the digital article (with all its advantages) displayed on the right side of the user's screen.

I've noticed in Wikisource only a few issues of National Geographic Magazine had been uploaded, and of those many were only indexed while only a few had been proofed and were readable as digital articles. To me that seems to ignore the huge stores of desirable articles available from quality magazines/journals that are no longer under copyright protections, prob. a hundred issues of National Geographic alone prior to 1923 as well as tens of thousands of journals. It also seems that an easy way to provide significant benefit to Wikipedia editors and the general public would be to make those public domain magazines and journals available as quickly as possible (via uploaded scanned .Jpeg image files), followed with very simple article indexing with subject tags. Digital conversions, proofing and meta-data could follow afterwards on a time-available basis. If Wiki viewing software (as noted earlier) were used and the scanned article's digital text were not yet available, a message stating so would be added to the blank view on the right side of the screen, opposite to the page image on the left side. Other messages on the right side could indicate the absence or completeness of proofing and meta tags.

For your consideration if this has not yet been discussed -thanks....

Hiya. For stuff on Wikisource and Commons you need to go to Wikisource and Commons. Discussions here are relevant to English Wikipedia only. Cheers. //roux   21:55, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Vandalism

Re your message: It was vandalism and I should have tagged it as such. My mistake, but I suspect that the IP got the point. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:14, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

File copyright problem with File:Japan-Korea tunnel.png

File Copyright problem

Thank you for uploading File:Japan-Korea tunnel.png. However, it currently is missing information on its copyright status. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously. It may be deleted soon, unless we can determine the license and the source of the file. If you know this information, then you can add a copyright tag to the image description page.

If you have uploaded other files, consider checking that you have specified their license and tagged them, too. You can find a list of files you have uploaded by following this link.

If you have any questions, please feel free to ask them at the media copyright questions page. Thanks again for your cooperation. Radiant chains (talk) 08:06, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Canadian Parliamentary Motion 37/1-1205

Hi Harry, thanks for contacting me. I did a cursory "sweep" just to harmonize refs and cites, but the gist of the article was maintained other than one statement I juxtaposed. One aspect of the article that may be explored is the role of Professor Basilio Catania and former Republican Congressman Vito Fossella. These two engineered the original bill, H. RES. 269, and delving into their background brings out some disturbing conflicts of interest. Fossella has an especially interesting portfolio. One change that should be made is in your citation that devolves back to another Wikipedia article which is not considered tertiary referencing and has to have a second-person source instead. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:21, 1 May 2009 (UTC).

Unreferenced tag

Please do not add the above to articles unless they have no references. Abberley2 (talk) 23:27, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Abberley2: Since you haven't noted specific webpages, I'll have to guess that you're discussing the use of 'External Links' as a substitute for referencing, which is what I frequently tag for. If I have actually used 'unreferenced' tags in lieu of 'refimprove' tags, please advise which article(s) are involved and I'll be happy to adjust them.

Regarding references placed in the External links section, refer to Wikipedia:External links:

References and citation

"Sites that have been used as sources in the creation of an article should be cited in the article, and linked as references, either in-line or in a references section. Links to these source sites are not "external links" for the purposes of this guideline, and should not normally be duplicated in an external links section. Exceptions (i.e. sites that can be both references and External Links) include an official site of the article's subject, or a domain specifically devoted to the article's subject which contains multiple subpages and which meets the above criteria."

Note that the 'exceptions' refers to a site being both a 'reference' and an 'external link', i.e.: such sites can be 'duplicated' or listed in each section . If I've erred by mistagging, there will be no problem for me to revise them, but if a contributor is too lackadaisical to bother following referencing protocol, then the ref tags need to stay.

A related, but different possible scenario would be where I've added a 'refimprove' tag, which most people would realize is a judgement call. This can be discussed on the talk page where I can review my reasoning in discussion.

Best --HarryZilber (talk) 16:21, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Japan-Korea Undersea Tunnel

Bonjour, je ne suis pas sûr d'être à la hauteur, ce n'est pas une sujet que je connais. Avez-vous contacté le fr:Projet:Traduction ? Cordialement, — M-le-mot-dit (T) 13:55, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

KV33 changes moved to TT33

Hi

You seem to have got KV33 (a tomb in the valley of the kings) and TT33 (in the Theban necropolis) mixed up, I have moved you changes from KV33 to TT33. Markh (talk) 20:54, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Ericsson videophone -color image w-licence- GetImage.ashx.jpg

File Copyright problem

Thanks for uploading File:Ericsson videophone -color image w-licence- GetImage.ashx.jpg. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license.

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I don't have access to the Wikimedia OTRS system, but, hopefully, a volunteer should get to it soon. Feel free to remove my notice and instead tag the image with {{OTRS pending}} in the mean time. Thanks, J Milburn (talk) 20:05, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Congratulations.

You have cost the project my support for a while. 128.100.5.116 (talk) 15:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Hydyne

Thanks very much for your contributions to the Hydyne article! You are quite right to point out the toxicity of these compounds. It would be great if we could find a source comparing the toxicity of Hydyne with e.g. Aerozine 50, which uses hydrazine in place of diethylenetriamine. Unlike Hydyne, Aerozine is still in use in the United States for e.g. Delta II second stage motors. And UDMH is still regularly used by Russia for e.g. the first stages of Proton rockets. These stages get dropped, still containing residual fuel, somewhere in the middle of Kazakstan! In regards you other comment, I wonder if an environmental tariff approach would hasten Russian conversion to less toxic propellants? (sdsds - talk) 06:31, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Ericsson_videophone_-color_image_-_GetImage.ashx.jpg

File Copyright problem

Thanks for uploading File:Ericsson_videophone_-color_image_-_GetImage.ashx.jpg. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file agreed to license it under the given license.

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Meucci's 1871 caveat

The document was formerly listed at the U.S. National Archives:

Meucci A., Sound Telegraph, Caveat No. 3335, filed at the US Patent and Trademark Office, Washington, D.C. Filed on 28 December 1871; renewed 9 December 1872; renewed 15 December 1873; Located at the National Archives and Records Administration, College Park, MD, RG60 (Department of Justice), Year Files 6921-1885, Box 10, Folder 1

The next part of the puzzle is how to obtain a copy of it so it can be uploaded in the Commons for use within the relevant articles. For your reference, here's what a Meucci proponent, Shiavo, said of the caveat in specific and Meucci's affairs in general:

"At any rate, the following facts should be made clear, once for all:
1.	In 1871 Meucci was not granted a patent, but a caveat, a kind of provisional patent.  
       Anybody could get a caveat, even if the invention was worthless.
2.	Meucci's caveat does not describe any kind of a diaphragm--none whatever.
3.	There is no United States Supreme Court decision either in favor or against Meucci, 
   and the reference in the October Term of the 1888 U. S. Reports (or in any other volume), 
    exists only in the imagination of some irresponsible people.
4.	In the thousands of pages of manuscript and printed records dealing with Meucci  
   consulted by me, there is no such description of the telephone as given in the Italian  
   encyclopedia. Least of all, is there any reference to any substance "capable of 
   inductive action" precisely defined. We have, of course, documentary evidence that 
    Meucci constructed an electric telephone with material capable of inductive action,  
   such as iron, as well as Meucci's description of the effect of the diaphragm on the magnet, 
    but Meucci never used the precise scientific definition quoted in the Treccani article. Least 
    of all in the caveat.
5.	The various detailed articles on the Meucci telephone which appeared in the 1880's in 
    American and British journals, such as the Telegraphic Journal and Electrical Review of  
   London and the Electrical World of New York, with accurate drawings of the various  
   instruments constructed by Meucci, have no legal value whatsoever.
6.	The only court decision about Meucci's telephone in existence was rendered by Judge Wallace  
   of the U. S. Circuit Court in 1887 in the case of the Bell Telephone Company against the Globe  
   Telephone Co., Meucci et Al. That decision was against Meucci.
   I have mentioned the above facts so as to clear the air of all the nonsense that has been written and 
    is still being written about Meucci. As for the facts, the true facts, they will be found in the 
   following pages (of his book, Antonio Meucci Inventor of the Telephone)."

HarryZilber (talk) 06:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Shiavo's comments would make a good addition to the Meucci and telephone articles, but only if there are links to an online copy of caveat 3335. I don't have time to search for it, maybe in the U.S. National Archives web site. Shiavo has a misunderstanding about what a caveat was when he wrote: "In 1871 Meucci was not granted a patent, but a caveat, a kind of provisional patent."

No, like a provisional patent APPLICATION. The caveat was a document prepared by Meucci's lawyer and taken to the patent office and filed there. Nothing was "granted" to Meucci, other than a receipt saying the patent office received it. The caveat document was then docketed and filed with other caveats in the electrical department where Examiner Wilbur could find it easily. A caveat was secret and was not published. Publication of the caveat could have messed up Bell's chance of getting broad claims, but it would not have prevented Bell from getting narrower claims that included a diaphragm or anything else not mentioned in the caveat. But when Meucci and Gray abandoned their caveats, the caveats remained secret and not published prior to Bell's patent, and therefore Examiner Wilbur was free to issue Bell's patent. Greensburger (talk) 14:04, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi again Greesburger: thanks for your comments just received. I intend to pursue the caveat as time permits, but obtaining a copy may involve paying a National Archives staffer to go into the file box and scan it for transmission -I'll have to see what type of charges are involved for that.

One other possible source for the document is the possibility that a notarized copy of it might have been deposited in one of the two other legal cases that Meucci was involved with (such as Meucci v. Bell, or Bell v. Meucci -just going by memory). If those Federal docs are viewable online then the caveat would be easy to access. What's really annoying is that other people probably have a copy of it but are unwilling to post it in the Commons.

HarryZilber (talk) 14:38, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Persistence pays off —an official copy of Meucci's 1871 patent caveat No.3335, is viewable online here as a .PDF document, on image attachments from pp. 14 thru 18. Some of the wording is difficult to read, but for the most part its a decent scan. Since its a U.S. Federal doc, its copyright free, so it will be good to figure out how to convert the images into .jpeg's or .gif's to add them into the Commons, from where they can be added to the Meucci article and others. The pdf file itself is easily downloadable onto your harddrive for safekeeping.

B.t.w.: a second copy was also on file at a different National Archives location in Maine, specifically at the National Archives and Record Administration, New England Region, 380 Trapelo Road, Waltham, MA, under Records of the Circuit Court of the United States, District of Massachusetts, "United States of America vs. American Bell Telephone Co. and Alexander Graham Bell," Exhibit from Defendants. However those N.A. copies are now moot since its viewable online.....

HarryZilber (talk) 16:34, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the web address! I transcribed the text of Meucci's Caveat into the Meucci article. I will also add the web address to other articles. Greensburger (talk) 19:31, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for doing the transcription and analysis of Meucci's caveat —that was a fair bit of work. One further significant point about the caveat is that in a number of places it refers to the sound conduction 'wire' in the singular, not plural case, e.g.: "......I believe it preferable to have the wire of larger area than that ordinarily employed in the electric telegraph, but will experiment on this. Each of these persons holds to his mouth an instrument analogous to a speaking trumpet, in which the word may easily be pronounced, and the sound concentrated upon the wire".

Since he was using a single wire as for sound conduction and employed glass insulator(s) for its user(s) to stand on, then, obviously, there was no return or ground path for an electrical circuit, and according to the known laws of physics, you can't produce a circuit carrying a modulated electrical signal in that instance. That fact has been reported previously a number of times by other reviewers. I believe I've also read somewhere that modern researchers trying to duplicate his results have never successfully built a functional 'electrical' (not mechanical) telephone.

Meucci advocates have to come down to Earth if they want to retain any credibility, and address these central issues. Its no wonder that none of them wanted to post the caveat on Wikipedia -they knew it wasn't a credible description of electrical telephony. To bulletproof the new Analysis section of the caveat so it doesn't get deleted under WP:OR, we need to add citations for those issuues. B.t.w. I've just added a new photo to Bell's article, and gained GNU licenses to a few others.

HarryZilber (talk) 20:28, 31 July 2009 (UTC) HarryZilber (talk) 20:45, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions. I added several refs pointing to specific pages in the Caveat on which things I quoted are located. But I could not cite refrences to conspicuous absent items. I also added your objection to no ground return. Greensburger (talk) 21:20, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Alexander Graham Bell

Hello! Your submission of Alexander Graham Bell at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Manxruler (talk) 02:26, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Links

I disagree, especially in List of video telecommunication services and product brands, where the link amounts to WP:SPAM. As for the rest, I'm happy to discuss in light of WP:ELNO and WP:NOTLINK. --Ronz (talk) 01:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for explaining your perspective in such detail. I'll defer to you on the need to identify the image source. I have removed the link as discussed.

The problem with such links is that they encourage more links, and editors are rarely as thoughtful as you when it comes to considering their suitability. I'd conservatively estimate, from my monitoring of recent changes, that 1/300 edits to Wikipedia is an inappropriate link. It's a huge problem, requiring a great deal of work to keep in check. I'm glad we could resolve this quickly. --Ronz (talk) 17:16, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

LAV III

Hey there. Just wanted to note that I reverted some of the changes you made on the LAV III page. In reference to the date, 1994 was the date that the new armoured vehicle replacement project started, not the date that the Liberals were elected. The Liberals are mentioned to provide rationale for the start of a new program based on the previous program being canceled under the Conservative government.

Also 'army' is acceptable to use when referencing the Canadian Forces Land Forces (which, as you can see, is a bit awkward). If you check the Canadian Forces website, you'll see that the term army is used (and by definition of the word, the Land Force is an army). Navy and air force are also finding their way back into common use. Just a minor quibble. :) - Jonathon A H (talk) 23:06, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

ICU Global

Hello Harryzilber, I deleted the material of the page because its an advert. Sorry i am new to this and unaware of the protocal needed to cite an article as a term violation