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Epithets

Hi Samsam22, welcome to Wikipedia! I do appreciate your contributions to the articles regarding the Mamluks, namely adding epithets. But I think your last changes decreased the readability of the introductions of the related articles. Now I will make some changes on the article Qalawun in order to increase the readability of the introductory section. Please let me know what you think about it. If it suits you too, you can go on like that. Thank you. --Chapultepec 20:43, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

reply epithets

Hi Chapultepec , thank you for your message. I think no problem as long as the royal epithets is quoted. Many people are confused from the names as many sultans had same epithets. quoting the orginal name then adding the royal names might help. In the case of Qalawun as I was not editing but only adding epithets, some things changed because orginal editor added lines for various ways to spell the name. I think the best is to quote the orginal name first then add the epithets so that it be clear and standared in all articles. Samsam22 21:34, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

So let's decide here, I have given some specimens infra:

1. 1:

Epithet: al-Malik al-Mansour Saif al-Din Qalawun al-Alfi al-Salihi al-Najmi al-Ala'i (Arabic: الملك المنصور سيف الدين قلاوون الألفى الصالحى النجمى العلاءى)

Qalawun al-Alfi (also Qala'un or Kalavun) (Arabic: قلاوون الألفى) (c. 1222 – November 10, 1290) was a Mamluk sultan of Egypt. He was in the Bahri line and ruled Egypt from 1279 to 1290.

1. 2:

Qalawun al-Alfi (also Qala'un or Kalavun) (Arabic: قلاوون الألفى) (c. 1222 – November 10, 1290) (Epithet: al-Malik al-Mansour Saif al-Din Qalawun al-Alfi al-Salihi al-Najmi al-Ala'i (Arabic: الملك المنصور سيف الدين قلاوون الألفى الصالحى النجمى العلاءى)) was a Mamluk sultan of Egypt. He was in the Bahri line and ruled Egypt from 1279 to 1290.

1. 3:

Qalawun al-Alfi (also Qala'un or Kalavun) (Arabic: قلاوون الألفى) (c. 1222 – November 10, 1290) was a Mamluk sultan of Egypt. He was in the Bahri line and ruled Egypt from 1279 to 1290.

Epithet: al-Malik al-Mansour Saif al-Din Qalawun al-Alfi al-Salihi al-Najmi al-Ala'i (Arabic: الملك المنصور سيف الدين قلاوون الألفى الصالحى النجمى العلاءى)

Which one is approprate in your opinion?

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I think #2 looks good.

Ok then, let's go on with #2. Thank you. Happy edit. --Chapultepec 22:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

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ok fine. What do you think about article Shajarat al-Durr. her name was shajar al-Durr not shajarat al-Durr. is it possible to change the title ? thanx Samsam22 22:31, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Let me search for that. I'll be back again. --Chapultepec 22:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Not sure exactly, a brief search gave results from both names. I will make a detailed search, then I will be able to reply. Thanks. --Chapultepec 22:50, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Even if I have found serious sources citing her Sahajarat al-Durr, the sources naming her Shajar al-Durr seemed more plentiful to me. Besides, in an article at Britannica Online her name is given as "Shajar al-Durr". And I think that's enough. --Chapultepec 23:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

But I think "Shajar al-Durr" article already exists and redirects to the "Shajarat al-Durr" article. In this case, an administrator can realize the requested move. --Chapultepec 23:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

- yes that is right . but I just was wondering whether title of page could be corrected not only redirecte. But thanx.

Ok, I'm gonna make a request for that. But seeing the results may require a couple of days. --Chapultepec 23:53, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok Chapultepec, thank you . good job.

Shajar al-Durr

Hi again, there is an ongoing discussion in the talk page of Shajarat al-Durr article. The url is Talk:Shajarat al-Durr. So you can have your comments there. Thanks. --Chapultepec 20:10, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

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Hi Chapultepec , thank you. I added comment in discussion. regards Samsam22 09:43, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

baibars

hello,did you add the scans from the book serat al-zahir beibars yet??pls let me know.thanxGrandia01 16:41, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Hi Grandia01 , no I did not yet. I havn't been on internet for a few days. I will scan soon. Thank you. Samsam22 17:15, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

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Barakah

I'm gonna add the dates too, thank you. --Chapultepec (talk) 21:17, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I merged a duplicate sentence regarding his marriage with Ghaziyah, and corrected his death category as per your changes. Now it's your turn in the article :) --Chapultepec (talk) 22:49, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course, no problem, this can be mentioned later within the context of the article. --Chapultepec (talk) 22:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I think a sub-section titled "rise to power" can be suitable for that paragraph, so we can divide the biography section into major sub-sections like "early life", "rise to power" etc. --Chapultepec (talk) 23:22, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

It seems great, thank you ! --Chapultepec (talk) 22:16, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I made minor edits only. Good job in a short period of time. --Chapultepec (talk) 09:57, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, I've just seen the article. It seems a whole lot better now. We can do a small article for Salamish too, no problem. Shoukran ghazilan ! --Chapultepec (talk) 19:02, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

That's great, I'm gonna make some minor edits for Solamish article now, thank you. --Chapultepec (talk) 11:17, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi again, I think you're right about the name of Solamish, I added my comments in the discussion page as well, and thanks a lot for the article. --Chapultepec (talk) 22:04, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Solamish is ok, no need to change the name of the article, this way is better. Best regards. --Chapultepec (talk) 23:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

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Arabic names

Hi again! I've been condensing Arabic names at the beginning of articles - rather than have, for example "Baibars al-Bunduqdari, known as al-Malik etc etc", I thought it would be easier to say "al-Malik etc...Baibars..." all at once. I know most of the words are not actually part of his name, but are rather his name and titles, but it seems more appropriate to put them all in the first sentence. Also, I've been changing English transliterations to something that appears more standard, at least to my eyes. So, instead of "Abu Alfitooh" I put "Abu al-Fituh", which looks more like transliterated Arabic to me and matches the actual Arabic better. I wanted to mention this because I assume you are a native Arabic speaker, so you would know better than me! Adam Bishop (talk) 20:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

The ultimate form in Baibars article is also nice. We should keep it as short as possible to augment readability. But in fact, you're right at one point, royal names of Mamluk sultans start with al-Malik, so all the sultans will seem to bear the same name. I'm not sure of what to do about that. Best regards. --Chapultepec (talk) 22:48, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Hmm, well, we could assume that the reader will be wise enough to figure out that "al-malik" is part of a title; for me, it was one of the first Arabic words I learned, but I suppose not everyone will be interested in learning Arabic words. Or, we could translate the whole title in each article, since it is interesting to know what all the honorific titles mean. I remember User:Striver used to create a separate section at the beginning of Arabic articles to include the entire name and a translation. I didn't like the idea of a separate section, but translating the whole thing is a good idea, I think. Adam Bishop (talk) 02:11, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

In fact good idea, but it will grow the introduction section longer. This can also raise trouble for the user to get to essential information within the crowd of titles and translations. Current revision seems ok even if we can't find a better way. Best regards. --Chapultepec (talk) 15:17, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hello

Assalamualaikum

I went through many sites to know details of El-Mansoura (Egypt).Unfortunately I was not avale to find nice informations.

If you can provide me some information including size of the city with maps of Mansoura,I will Be thankful.

Regard user:classicbanna (talk) 17:08, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

• Hi Classicbanna

For maps see :

http://mansura.net/portal/default.asp?id=13&mnu=1

There are some pictures here :

http://www.ul10.com/Profile.aspx?id=16012&Page=2&bid=1490

Size : ca. 120km2

Distance from cairo : ca. 120 km

Population : including suburbs ca. 1,252,415

RegardsSamsam22 (talk) 00:21, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Lajin

Thank you for your contributions. I will have a look at the article for now. Best regards. --Chapultepec (talk) 20:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Seems superb for the moment, thank you... --Chapultepec (talk) 20:36, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

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AfD nomination of Saif ad-Din Abu-Bakr

I have nominated Saif ad-Din Abu-Bakr, an article you created, for deletion. I do not feel that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saif ad-Din Abu-Bakr. Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time. Gary King (talk) 00:33, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

• You had my answer. Thank you for your interest. Samsam22 (talk) 17:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

Saif ad-Din Abu-Bakr

Hi, to my mind, to be a Mamluk sultan is fair enough to be mentioned in a separate article. If the same thing happens again, we can express our thoughts in the related discussion page. Best regards. --Chapultepec (talk) 22:29, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Kujuk

Thank you for your creating the article. I will try to edit for the moment. Best wishes. --Chapultepec (talk) 07:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Shihab ad-Din Ahmad

Hi Samsam, I will have a look at the article. You're doing a good job, thanks a lot. --Chapultepec (talk) 12:23, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

expanding Muslim military history task force

I have been reelected coordinator and brought up the old discussion about expanding Muslim military history to the present day. This has been an issue raised by Muslim editors when the task force was founded. It would be great if you could help expanding the articles that present what makes Islams treatment of war effect especially the Muslim warfare. I have been reading a bit on the topic and can help you with advice, but feel myself not confident enough with my limited knowledge. Wandalstouring (talk) 12:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

• Hi Wandalstouring, I am glad you have been reelected coordinator. I wish you all success. As you notice I am busy at this moment with expanding the history of the Mamluk Sultans. But I will be glad to help. Please let me know what is needed. Regrards Samsam22 (talk) 18:58, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

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Images and maps

Hi, Samsam. I will have a look around to the articles. Thanks for your contributions. Meanwhile, the article Khalil has no references, it can raise some problems in the future. Would you add some references if you have? Happy editing. --Chapultepec (talk) 01:51, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Tamam abi, yavash yavash... =) --Chapultepec (talk) 02:24, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Khalil

Hi Samsam, yes, I wrote the original article, but that was many years ago and it probably was not a very good article. I see you have been improving it, along with many other Mamluk/crusade articles, which is very much appreciated! Adam Bishop (talk) 06:57, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi all, yes I saw the sentences you mentioned in the article, but I could not find any supporting references either. Maybe we can make further research involving those, then take action accordingly. Thank you. --Chapultepec (talk) 12:48, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

• Hi, ok I started to fix the article and found a nice image :) Please try to find about these 2 points + about Khalil was called new Alexander. so we can keep it if there is ref. Thank you. Samsam22 (talk) 20:09, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

The info about the conflict with the Circassians comes from "The Age of the Crusades" by P.M. Holt (page 105-106). Ibn al-Salus is mentioned on page 105 as well. I can't find the reference about him being another Alexander, but I will keep looking. Adam Bishop (talk) 05:12, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

About his being a new Alexander, I could only find this source. I'm gonna attach it as a reference, but the sentence may be re-worded accordingly. Thanks. --Chapultepec (talk) 13:40, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Tamam, the Alexander sentence is also ok, by the way you made a great job in the article. If you don't mind I will make some minor edits on it for two minutes. Thanks a lot. --Chapultepec (talk) 23:46, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Mazbut, I've finished. You can continue. Again thanks a lot for bringing the article to such a condition. --Chapultepec (talk) 23:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Samsam, I will have a look at the article for the moment. Thank you. --Chapultepec (talk) 05:24, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, yes I finished editing the article. It was indeed a very good job. Thanks a lot for your contributions. Until then. --Chapultepec (talk) 06:14, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I've edited the article as well. For now I just fixed spelling and grammar, and I removed all the italics around Arabic names, since we don't need to do that in English. I think there are still a few problems though. First of all, I don't think it is necessary to have so much detail about the Siege of Acre. There is a separate article where that information would be more useful. Also, I should note that the crusaders controlled Acre for over 80 years before 1191; it was held by Saladin for a few years, but it was a crusader city long before 1191. That is a minor complaint though! I think we will also have to work on the references. There are too many of them, and they are distracting. Some of the information included in the references should be incorporated into the text. Otherwise, they need to be more specific - it is good to quote al-Maqrizi or the Geste des Chiprois, but what page number is the quote from? Who edited the book? When was it published? We need to include that as well. Adam Bishop (talk) 09:20, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

No problem, you're welcome. We're all here to help each other. Best wishes. --Chapultepec (talk) 20:26, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand and of course I agree - I like to write neutrally about the crusades as well. I do not think they were good or bad, I just think they were interesting. But it would still be helpful to include page numbers in the footnotes, so we can see where the information is coming from. Adam Bishop (talk) 06:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

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Baibars

Hi, Samsam. Thank you, I'm ok. I hope everything is alright with you too. Yes, I know that guy. He sometimes visits the article for the last two years :) Anyhow, thanks for adding the references. I hope it will dissuade him from trying to add his point of view. --Chapultepec (talk) 03:17, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Aybak

Hi, Samsam. Yes, I have seen the changes you made in the Aybak article. You made a great job again. Thank you. As for the Shajar al-Durr article, in the sources I have read so far, she was always mentioned as a Turkic origined ruler. If the other possibility (that she was of Armenian origin) is not so weighty, is it ok for you to change the word in the introduction from probably to most probably? Again, thanks for your contributions, you're doing a good job. --Chapultepec (talk) 16:38, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

That's also alright, thank you Samsam, mazbut. For the moment I will try to edit Aybak article, if you left something to do for me in there :) --Chapultepec (talk) 17:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Hi Samsam, I finished editing Aybak article. Those were minor edits. Please let me know when you finish editing the article of Shajar al-Durr. Thanks a lot. --Chapultepec (talk) 18:08, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

No problem abi, when you're ready, just e-mail me your address, I will send you baklavas at my earliest convenience :) --Chapultepec (talk) 19:11, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

The article is more than ready Samsam, I think it's half the weight of all Wikipedia :) Joke apart, thanks for your contributions. You did a good job as usual. I will try to edit at my earliest convenience. --Chapultepec (talk) 20:43, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

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Hey there!

Greetings! I noticed that you are exerted much effort in articles pertaining to the Mamluks and Bahris. I too have begun exerted some work on articles concerning Baibars and the Crusades. I believe that the articles relating to the Crusades are somewhat one sided and slanted toward the European version of events. In any event, I hope I can find the time to contribute more. Scythian1 (talk) 20:53, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

I have often been guided to avoid the passive voice generally, when writing, though your suggestion for the Baibars article is fine as well. Scythian1 (talk) 15:52, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Okay, sounds good brother.Scythian1 (talk) 18:18, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

That is true, I am glad that you are positing information that is either hardly conveyed or often overlooked.Scythian1 (talk) 18:26, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

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Thank you for adding mongol mamluk sultan Kithbuga. I like it. user:Enerelt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.131.1.12 (talk) 10:15, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

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Shihab ad-Din Ahmad

I was reading about the Manluk sultans and saw that you had deleted most of the article about Shihab ad-Din Ahmad because "I was told primary sources are not allowed." That doesn't seem right to me. What were you told? It seems to be that all you really need to do is preface the information by saying "The following is told by X____ about Shihab ad-Din Ahmad's journey to Cairo" or "As told by X____, Shihab ad-Din Ahmad ..." The Background section at least looks fine and you found the information from various secondary sources like books on the history of Egypt. With some clean up (I can tell English isn't your first language) and direct citation (citing each fact with a reference instead of just having them at the bottom), the article could be fine and non-controversial. Good work adding all the sultans. Cheeselouise (talk) 09:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)