Talk:Lady Gaga

Disco Heaven Album

As far as I'm aware, Lady GaGa had an album with about 15 songs on it called Disco Heaven. I've downloaded and listened to it many times, but there's not a single mention of it on this page. Probably should be incorporated into this page as it's a full body of work if this goes to GA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sauceyboy (talk • contribs) 09:28, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Disco Heaven is firstly one of The Fame bonus tracks (revised edition). The album you're referring to was fan made. DinDraithou (talk) 00:27, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

For what its worth, this 'album' appears to trace back to this Spanish blog site called "Gabria Music" [1]. They seem to make clever bootlegs of popular recording artists by creating very convincing covers (both front and back) and by focusing only on "unreleased" / B-Side tracks. Their stuff quickly diffuses via filesharing and other sites, misleading the public. I must admit that back in early 2009 when I discovered Disco Heaven on a forum, I was almost duped along with the forum members who said this was a Spanish/European exclusive release. Using google translation, they give the following disclaimer: "The albums you find on this blog are not official. They are creations of unreleased material. You can buy the original material and support the artists." Indeed their stuff is very believable because the focus is generally on B-sides and the covers are meticulously constructed. They also seem to use less popular/prominent images of artists to go along with the impression of unreleased recordings. Imperatore (talk) 06:50, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Rumor

There is a rumor going around that she is a man. Should this be added or not?My name Borat (talk) 20:55, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

This is a BLP, and rumours cannot be included; if they are, then policy states it is to be removed immediately without discussion. What she has said about such rumours, or about her identity, can be included. Mish (talk) 21:17, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

There was a controversy over Gaga's gender, however Gaga was thought to be a hermaphrodite, not a man. I really don't know what pronouns to use so I won't use them. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DerBarJude (talk • contribs) 22:27, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Yes, there was a rumour about this, and she denied that she is intersex, and the denial in an interview is already in the article. So, that answers the question, and there is no need for further discussion. Mish (talk) 23:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

According to stylist.com (http://www.stylelist.com/2010/05/12/would-you-go-to-work-bare-faced-get-ready-for-makeup-free-monda/?icid=main%7Caim%7Cdl1%7Clink1%7Chttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.stylelist.com%2F2010%2F05%2F12%2Fwould-you-go-to-work-bare-faced-get-ready-for-makeup-free-monda%2F), Lady Gaga is a man who normally dresses in "drag". This may not be evidence that she is a man, but the claim itself in a large online publication seems notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.80.126.5 (talk) 06:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Please don't go on asking the same things over and over again. Nothing else, other than what is present about the intersex matters, will be added so cut the crap. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 13:13, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Amir.manraj, 21 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} According to Pandora.com, Lady Gaga is a native of Yonkers, not Manhattan. Amir.manraj (talk) 21:32, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

 Not done: See Lady Gaga: Behind the Fame, pp. 220–221: "And finally, Leno ventured onto the subject of the wild speculation that swirled around her. What was the worst rumor that she had heard about herself? he asked, and there were no prizes for guessing what he was referring to. 'That I'm from Yonkers,' she countered, keeping an admirably straight face. 'I love the Bronx, but I'm from Manhattan.'" –Chase (talk) 18:04, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Gaga's roots

The page mentions Gaga being the child of Italian American parents. However her mother is named "Cynthia Bissett" which is a name from a Scots/Irish family, or a form of the French name Bessette. Her dad really seems to be the biggest influence on her and we don't hear her talk about her mother that much. But i think it's important to note her mother isn't Italian to understand where Lady G comes from. She's a Bissett from Ohio which is interesting. If it's the Scots Bissett then her mother is possibly protestant versus the very catholic Italian side of her family too. JG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnygie (talk • contribs) 10:35, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

You're quite right, but the problem appears to be that her mother's family aren't quite sure of their origins. Back in March a Bissett relative of Gaga's added to the article that her mother was of French, German and English ancestry, and provided a source, a pedigree hosted at Rootsweb, going back to 17th century France. Another editor removed the source as "unreliable". I restored it once but didn't look it over carefully.

Here it is.

Later I did examine it, and found it to be speculative before the mid-19th century, alleging that the Bissetts were French Canadian Bessettes, descended from a "Jean Brisetout" (1642-1707), born in "Cahors, Lot, Midi-Pyrénées, France". Unlikely, unless they have old family traditions. Given their region they are far more likely of direct Scotch-Irish origin. Bissett is a Scottish surname (associated with Aberdeenshire?) with possible but unprovable Norman French origins, the "root" not being agreed upon. Several of the large Gaelic clans appear to have small Bissett septs, but what that means or says nobody can really say. Independent origins? A dispersed French (or possible Flemish) family? The Scottish monarchs invited plenty to Scotland and not all were able to form proper clans. In any case, the Scots pass on "clan names" and surnames more or less randomly below the level of the nobility, and genetic research has shown they are typically made up of multiple lineages.

Gaga is rumoured to have contacted the College of Arms to discover what she can, and I hope they are capable of helping her without misleading her into believing she might have "noble" ancestry. So do we all. But it's largely about where it actually is to be found in our family trees. They may direct her to the Court of the Lord Lyon, Scotland's so-called "authority" (incompetent pushovers). We'll see what comes of it. DinDraithou (talk) 15:26, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

All of this above seems to make sense. The surname Bissett does appear to be French or English, depending on the original spelling of the name, however Lady Gaga has specifically stated numerous times that she is Italian on both sides of her family. It seems unlikely that she would lie about such a thing although Gaga does seem closer to her father than her mother, but wouldn't that make her mother upset if she's always constantly saying she's Italian-American and nothing else? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.210.149 (talk) 22:32, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

One of the cutest things about Gaga is her working class background and resulting glamourous insecurities. Her father's family may be from Jersey City, of Sicilian origin from Palermo,[2] but her mother was born and raised in West Virginia, although the more midwestern Northern Panhandle.[3] To a city girl like Gaga that may feel like the worst thing, or who knows what she really thinks, if she has the time for it now. Hard work eventually made it possible for them to move from Great Kills to the Upper West Side, and they were able to send Gaga to Convent of the Sacred Heart when she was something like 13, if memory serves (read it somewhere).

The public have gotten this wrong impression she's from a wealthy family, judging from where she was educated and her being so into fashion. It doesn't look like her fault, after mentioning in early interviews that she "didn't belong to the same social class" as some of the other girls at Convent, and that she went to NYU on student loans, which she paid off after getting signed. DinDraithou (talk) 00:51, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

It is hard to tell if the rootsweb source at [4] is reliable or original research. This is not an ideal source for the article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:46, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Absolutely. That's what I should have thought before restoring it that one time. It looks reliable enough for a few generations, where sources are provided, but the rest is not the work of a professional genealogist or scholar. That said, the researcher is not uneducated and should be thanked for her efforts. DinDraithou (talk) 16:09, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Rootsweb is probably unreliable. They said Lady Gaga was a man (no that is not true) and has no siblings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.210.149 (talk) 16:02, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Rootsweb probably fails WP:V if the material is controversial or likely to be challenged. It should not be used as a source in a high profile article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

It may be true that Gaga's mother has some English or French ancestry, however Lady Gaga has never mentioned that. In this video she states that both her parents are Italian: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3pMnnISo3ag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.210.149 (talk) 16:49, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Third album tracks

Can anyone tell me where did the tracks of her third album from RedOne production discography article come from? 222.79.156.151 (talk) 10:41, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

Lady Gaga; One of the biggest selling acts Since it has beeen said on her wiki article that Gaga has sold more than 50 million records, shouldn't she be part of the list of best selling artists of all time? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachaeladeathedreamer (talk • contribs) 09:49, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

It says 15 million records, not 50. That's just simply absurd. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 10:27, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

"I'm left-handed!"

Referring to her "expressive, free spirit", Gaga told Elle magazine "I'm left-handed!"

How is this relevant to her development as a singer? Can we stick to tangible biographical details?--The lorax (talk) 16:11, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Since this is a reliably sourced quote from Lady Gaga, there is no great problem with having it in the article. There are various theories about whether left handed people are likely to be good at art, science and sport, but they are beyond the scope of this article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:18, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Maybe this would fit better under Public Image rather than the Early Life section. I mean, lots of people are left handed but it doesn't tell the reader how she got from point A to point B.--The lorax (talk) 16:28, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

It happens to be one of the most valuable pieces of information in the article, for those readers with some background in music and art... and science. There are differences in brain structure and processing. Left-handedness does not produce a superior artist and there is not meant to be any implication of that, but it can produce a somewhat different "type". No doubt Gaga's professional teachers made her aware of this. DinDraithou (talk) 16:30, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

"Produce" is the wrong word, but it can contribute to differences, if one already has abilities. And most of the great musicians in history have been right-handed anyway. Mozart shows left hand dominance in his compositions for piano but for all we know he may just have favoured the sound.

Left-handedness is much more common among successful politicians and the like, and is suggested to be related to enhanced expressiveness or communication ability. Gaga is primarily a singer-songwriter and "performance artist", whatever she means by it. She'd make as great a politician. When she's not off (or pissed off) she's great in recorded interviews, more of which we should link to from the article. There are like dozens at YouTube. DinDraithou (talk) 19:46, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Lady gagas next album

You should talk about Lady Gagas next album. For example....

'Lady Gaga is recording songs for her next album on her tour bus and according to Akon, some of the material is sounding "crazy". Lady GaGa feels much more connected to God and her next album will convey that according to a recent interview that the "fame monster" gave to London's The Times.' —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wayne126 (talk • contribs) 12:03, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

WP:RECENTISM. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 12:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Navbox

I think it wouldn't hurt to spin off the navbox by creating a singles navbox. Even though the current navbox works well given the amount of content contained therein, it doesn't index the singles by album, so something should be done to address this drawback. Imperatore (talk) 06:00, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

She's just two albums old. Its highly unnecessary. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:06, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Is it possible to have a singles by album breakdown in the main navbox? I just feel like it will add a lot of value if this distinguishability could be made. Nevertheless it will probably end up splitting at the end of the year once there's a third album. Imperatore (talk) 06:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

That maybe possible, then again, once the third album comes, it will be splitted anyways. So its better we wait for the album or the single to be announced, whence we can split it. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:26, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Associated acts?

One editor removed all of the associated acts apart from Space Cowboy, their reason was "Just because an artist did a collaboration on one song does not make them "Associated Acts". Removed most of them." - I reverted it until a firm decision is made. So..? RAIN the ONE (Talk) 23:28, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Template:Infobox musical artist#Associated acts. I agree with the removal of said acts. — ξ^xplicit 23:32, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• Remove them. Here's the documentation for {{Infobox musical artist}} and the Associated acts field, with emphasis added:

This field is for professional relationships with other musicians or bands that are significant and notable to this artist's career.

This field can include, for example, any of the following:

• For individuals: groups of which he or she has been a member
• Other acts with which this act has collaborated on multiple occasions, or on an album, or toured with as a single collaboration act playing together
• Groups which have spun off from this group
• A group from which this group has spun off

The following uses of this field should be avoided:

• Association of groups with members' solo careers
• Groups with only one member in common
• Association of producers, managers, etc. (who are themselves acts) with other acts (unless the act essentially belongs to the producer, as in the case of a studio orchestra formed by and working exclusively with a producer)
• One-time collaboration for a single, or on a single song
• Groups that are merely similar

Based on that, it's pretty clear that the one-time collaborations should not be included in the associated acts field. —C.Fred (talk) 23:33, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

• • It is because of this that I removed all but Space Cowboy. Lady Gaga toured and collaborated with Space Cowboy on multiple occasions. It could also be argued RedOne could be considered an "Associated Act"... he has basically formed Lady Gaga's musical style and produced 90% of her biggest hits. Save-Me-Oprah^(talk) 00:14, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd remove all but Beyonce (More than one collaboration), Space Cowboy, also I'd add RedOne. Also who ever she has toured with the most, would be a good addition. (It's better that we reach a decision here now though, as everyone will just end up in an edit wars, and the page is up for GA..)RAIN the ONE (Talk) 02:36, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

I believe no one other than Space Cowboy and Lady Starlight passes as associated acts, not even Akon, Beyonce or RedOne. --Legolas ^(talk2me) 08:18, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Article Picture

Can someone please change the first picture on the article. I'm sure there are plenty of other pictures that portray her in a more proper and dignified essence.