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Several times it is quoted that Murat IV was the last sultan to command an army on the battlefield. I think that the title must go to [[Mustafa II]] who reigned app. 60 years later. (But unlike Murat he was not victorious.) [[User:Nedim Ardoğa|Nedim Ardoğa]] ([[User talk:Nedim Ardoğa|talk]]) 12:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC) |
Several times it is quoted that Murat IV was the last sultan to command an army on the battlefield. I think that the title must go to [[Mustafa II]] who reigned app. 60 years later. (But unlike Murat he was not victorious.) [[User:Nedim Ardoğa|Nedim Ardoğa]] ([[User talk:Nedim Ardoğa|talk]]) 12:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::[[Mehmed IV]] (who reigned between 1648-1687) also commanded an army on the battlefield. |
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== Death == |
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There are two separate claims on the cause of death. Western sources claim Murad IV drank alcohol even though he outlawed alcohol and punished people for it, and he died of cirrhosis of the liver. The ottomans claim that he died of [[gout]]. Who's more likely to be right? |
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I think the statement "Not until 1808 would there be another Sultan of his calibre. Murat IV is known as the last great Sultan of the Ottoman Empire." needs to be backed up. "His strength was nearly phenomenal." sounds a little awkward too. /The Phoenix 19:57, 30 September 2005 (UTC)
- Murad IV and Abdulhamid II were the latest great emperors of the Ottoman State. This means that "1808" is a wrong claim because Abdulhamid II's reign started on August 31, 1876. With respect, Deliogul 20:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
- Sorry I forgot Mahmud Khan(his reign was started in 1808) but still Mahmud II was a smooth reformer more than a person who controls everthing with force. With respect, Deliogul 22:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
Re: Changes
I have added back the paragraph on Murad IV's military exploits—which was moved by OttomanReference to another article—on the grounds that this article, Murad IV, should not neglect information relevant to the subject/person covered. The article is (at least at the current time) short enough that it is not overwhelming the reader, which is the general reason to start shunting information off to other articles (v. Wikipedia:Long article layout), and any reader coming to this page and wishing to find here any information directly relevant to Murad IV should—I believe—be able to find it here. —Saposcat 06:31, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
- We have to mention his military success here. Only the re-invasion of Bagdad proved that he was a successful commander(actually the latest Sultan to be successful on the battlefield). With respect, Deliogul 20:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
The last sultan on battlefield
Several times it is quoted that Murat IV was the last sultan to command an army on the battlefield. I think that the title must go to Mustafa II who reigned app. 60 years later. (But unlike Murat he was not victorious.) Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 12:47, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
- Mehmed IV (who reigned between 1648-1687) also commanded an army on the battlefield.
Death
There are two separate claims on the cause of death. Western sources claim Murad IV drank alcohol even though he outlawed alcohol and punished people for it, and he died of cirrhosis of the liver. The ottomans claim that he died of gout. Who's more likely to be right?
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